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    Re: Predictions on marriage ballot measures

    Our state supreme court is much more moderate then it may seem, trust me. Regardless, state supreme courts are always much less partisan based then the US Supreme Court. Also, remember that in most states where same sex marriage has been legalized judicially, Republican justices have written the majority opinions.

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    ^ Yes. We were talking about this last evening up here in Canuckistan. In Canada, the tide turned as judges made decisions in various regions of the country, leading to the nation wide enshrinement of the rights of homos.

    With four actual wins in this election cycle, I have to hope that it now becomes politically impossible for the SC to decide against homo marriage. I can't even think that Scalia, Thomas or Alito want to touch this at this stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    What's important for the Supreme Court is that now SSM is established in four regions of the U.S.: New England, Mid-Atlantic, Midwest, and West Coast.
    Florida would be a nice addition, no?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    There are some places where it will be judicial fiat required, just like in the sixties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    Ah, alas.

    Even if we get a majority in Florida, it takes 60% to amend the constitution there

    I also believe the Florida legislature must propose constitutional amendments, i.e. no initiatives. When pigs fly...

    For the first southern state, we have a better chance in Virginia, should the VA legislature ever turn Democratic. It's rare for Virginia to do so, but it happens. The House of Delegates was last blue from 1998-2000. Gerrymandering would make it impossible in all but the most star-aligned elections. Even the 2007 election didn't give Democrats a majority in Virginia's House, not even close. So it would take a very sympathetic Republican. I can't foretell when that might happen. Virginia is not New York obviously.
    Ah, the g-word. I should include that in my voting thread.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    Referendum 71 (the Domestic partnerships) passed with 52% of the voters supporting it, and 48% against. And this was after the Yes on R-71 stressed that supporting domestic partnerships was NOT the same thing as gay marriage. That means that 48% of Washington voters were against even giving gays domestic partnerships that were not marriages.

    If same-sex marriage can lose the public vote in such a socially liberal state as California (a la Prop 8), I don't think it has a chance anywhere else

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post


    Worth repeating.
    yeah.

    sorry hunny.....

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/09/us...l?ref=politics

    Washington State's anti-same-sex marriage groups have conceded.

    Washington now joins Maine and Maryland as the first states to approve same-sex marriage by popular vote.

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    ^
    Predictable: the new mantra is "real marriage".

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    SCOTUS can decide the Prop 8 case so it only applies to California:

    [At their private conference, the justices may agree to hear the California case, Hollingsworth v. Perry. But they need not decide it on broad grounds if they do. Indeed, the appeals court in the case gave the justices a legal road map for requiring same-sex marriage in California but not the rest of the nation. The Supreme Court could also sidestep or defer consideration of the case.
    ....

    Justice Anthony M. Kennedy is thought to hold the crucial vote in gay rights cases, and he wrote the majority opinions in Lawrence v. Texas, a 2003 decision that struck down a Texas law making gay sex a crime, and in Romer v. Evans, a 1996 decision that struck down a Colorado constitutional amendment that banned the passage of laws protecting gay men and lesbians.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/08/us...es.html?ref=us

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    Re: Predictions on marriage ballot measures

    lol get used to losing Maggie!!!

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    Nom nom nom ^_^
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