Why is so underrated? She's a much better singer and dancer than most pop stars out there (and better-looking too).
This is amazing:
I love this performance:
Why is so underrated? She's a much better singer and dancer than most pop stars out there (and better-looking too).
This is amazing:
I love this performance:
"Nicole is underrated" is overrated.
I love her!
hate here! with all the make up she looks like a 40 year old tranny....
She needs to find a better writing camp to make her some bops. The shit she releases is cute to hardcore fans but won't cut it against her peers.
I hear many people say she's underrated all the time, not just on these forums. I don't see anything particularly special about her though.
Very pretty - but so are so many other pop artists
Sings well - but is outsung by so many other artists VERY easily
Dances well - good for her but I see so many videos that are amazing where people/artists don't dance
So what's so special about her? Her solo album did terribly in the US but did well in the UK. I don't particularly like the lyrics to any of her songs that you posted.
One thing I never understood is why she released music under "The Pussycat Dolls". IMO, the other girls had nothing to do with the songs. They could have just as well called the group "Nicole Scherzinger and the Girls Who Dance Behind Her".
That said, my favorite song that she's sung is still Dontcha.
Not a fan of rap at all but I like Busta's lyrics in this song as well.
I'm a huge fan of her! But I kinda get where DigitalFudge is coming from. But anyways, I think she is underrated in the sense that people don't realize how versatile she really is? Plus, what with the sex symbol image from PCD, Her Name Is Nicole being shelved, and now Killer Love US as well, and that X-Factor US mess, it's not a surprise many don't take her too seriously.
I think that looks are very subjective, so I wouldn't compare her looks to other popstars. As for being outsung easily, I actually beg to differ. I think of those popstars who are relevant at the moment (who sing and dance in their performances), only Beyonce is stronger than her in terms of consistency. I do admit Nicole's performances are not very consistent, but better than her PCD ones. Yeah, Right There can get quite annoying sometimes though. The songs he posted are her UK singles though, maybe you could try watching her other videos like Pretty, You Will Be Loved, Desperate, Save Me From Myself if you decide to give her a chance
As for many others artists being able to outsing Nicole "VERY easily," like who? Pink, Gaga, Katy Perry, Rihanna, Taylor Swift or Kelly Clarkson lol? Let's not be delusional here. Nicole has more power and vocal range than the vast majority of pop singers. Hitting every high note from C5-F6 easily:
^ There's no denying her strong range and power so let's not even get into that. Of course she's not the only pop singer with power, but most other powerhouses don't have control like Nicole does (see Christina Aguilera). Nicole has more full control over her vibrato and best of of all, she's versatile and that's what make her special. Other singers are one-note (literally and figuratively) singing the same type of song with the same notes while Nicole can pull off anything note and genre-wise from power ballads to R&B to opera to dance songs. Best of all, she pull it off while performing with actual dancing (Jennifer Lopez is her only competitor here) when others like rely on a studio vocals and theatrics to distract us.
How many pop stars can do this?
^ The aria at the end. This video made me a fan.
And it can't be lyrics because Don't Cha has to be one of the most basic songs she's sung. Most of what's on Killer Love is miles better. The difference is that Don't Cha had radio support in the US and she doesn't have that anymore.
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Did you just place Nicole Scherzinger in the same league as Christina Aguilera? I've actually heard her sing, live, without a microphone and she does have a good voice, but her power is nowhere close to Christina. Even Beyonce has more power behind her voice than Nicole. Nicole's range is excellent, but she is not going to touch powerhouse vocalists.
Her being able to control her vibrato is not a huge accomplishment. It's not a trait unique to her. Every singer can control his or her vibrato. She's average at dancing, on her best day. Even when she sings and dances, live, it's not intense and/or difficult choreography. Also, there are other people who can sing and dance live. These attributes that you mention are not really something that are so rare, even in the entertainment business.
^ Seriously? Neither of those compare to Royal Variety performance of Nicole. Do you really think Kelly (or even Christina) can pull of the aria so smoothly? Did you even watch the whole thing?
^ You know you're a good singer when the most difficult part is better than the easy ones.
And speaking of RANGE, falsetto:
As for being "average at dancing on her best day," you must be joking or just trolling. The only singer right now who's a better dancer than Nicole is Ciara. If Nicole is an "average" dancer, then Rihanna, Britney (today) and Gaga are plain horrible. And who are all these other singers who dance and sing live lol? I mean actual dancers with technique like Jennifer Lopez, not ass shaking and hair flipping like Beyonce (who totally relies on the studio track when choreography comes in anyway).
Again, I am not trying to compare Nicole to everyone else. She is not a gifted or even close. She has rhythm and she can dance, but she could not make it as a backup dancer for someone, for example. When I said that there are others who sing and dance live, I was referring to people who are not even in the entertainment business. There are plenty of people on Broadway or other theatrical venues who can do everything Nicole can and more. There just is not one talent where she is advanced or gifted. I have seen her person, like I previously said, and she is beautiful though.
Anyway, as for the others you mentioned, Rihanna and Gaga never really claimed to be dancers. Britney is a shell of herself, Although Britney was better than she is now, she was never amazing either, in prime. Beyonce is better at selling and performing moves than the actual art of dancing.
Kelly Clarkson range: 3 octaves and 2 notes - E3- G6
Nicole's range: 3 octaves and 2 notes - D3-G#6
Christina Aguilera's range: 4 octaves - C3- C7
Nicole has the same range as Kelly and less of a range than Christina. Then again Kelly's voice itself is far better to that of Nicole's in my opinion.
I never said Rihanna, Gaga and Beyonce have claimed to be dancers; I said that Nicole is a great dancer and brought them up because they're pop singers whose dancing abilities are praised when underrated pop singers like Nicole and Ciara eclipse them easily.
If you think Kelly's voice is "far better" because you prefer her tone, it's your opinion, but I prefer Nicole's. Clearly my opinion offends you since you responded to my last post three times...
Nicole is not a powerhouse vocalist. Anyone with an unbiased ear can hear that she does not have the same vocal force that more powerful singers have. You can argue with me as much as you want, but your videos are proof. Leona Lewis, for example, was immediately compared to Whitney and Mariah, for a reason. Nicole, no. She's not being underrated, especially since PCD was centered around her anyway. If she had such abilities, don't you think hear team would have marketed her as such? I guess her own people, especially Jimmy Iovine who loves Nicole, is trying to sabotage her.
This is all relevant to the topic because your initial question was: "Why is so underrated?" The fact is that she is not being underrated, if she does not possess the abilities. Unfortunately, being a singer or dancer does make her not great. She's not above average at any particular ability, so why should people continually talk about her for her talents, if she's not gifted or advanced? Even when compared to other pop singers, she's not particularly unique, beyond her looks.
All of these women, Rihanna, Beyonce, Lady Gaga, etc. can sing and dance to certain degrees. However, no one "praises" them for one particular talent. If there is praise, it's usually biased for one reason or another. Beyonce receives the most praise because, well, she is Beyonce. Even then, it's not that her dancing, in and of itself, is particularly amazing. It's the OVERALL performance with her. It's the combination of factors with her. The same goes for Lady Gaga. Don't worry though, none of them are going down as top dancers.
Ciara gets praise for her dancing. She was always compared to Janet. When she first became well-known and she, along with Chris Brown, were constantly placed alongside each other. She was a backup dancer for Usher! Ciara just does not receive praise for her music, for the past couple of albums, if anything. No one is underrating her as a dancer. The reason Nicole does not receive that kind of praise is she does not possess the same abilities as Ciara. Nicole has never demonstrated has never done difficult, high impact, fast paced, or extremely technical choreography in her shows.
Right There - #39 Peak
Your Body - #34 Peak
Nicole's album - been working on it since 2005, delayed for eternity in the US and eventually canceled there, released in 2011 in the UK. Sold 19k in the UK
Christina's album - released in the US to 70k opening and opened in the UK with 9k.
You keep repeating that, but can't really argue your point well. You say that there are better singers, but I never said there aren't. There being better singers doesn't make Nicole any less of a good singer like I've already said. Your Leona argument is weak too. Leona is known for singing power ballads like Bleeding Love so why wouldn't she be compared Whitney and Mariah? Nicole, on the other hand, is known for singing sex-themed songs like Don't Cha and Buttons in skimpy clothes. Of course the average person is not going to think highly of her vocal abilities and be aware that she can sing well. Why do you think that 95% of the comments under the Phantom video are from people expressing shock over her singing abilities and even wondering why she went the pop singing route? And they're not biased Nicole fans because Nicole fans already know she can sing well and aren't surprised by the video. And of course PCD was centered around her. She was hired to be the singer when Robin Antin wanted to turn the burlesque act into a pop group. Speaking of PCD, most people claimed that Melody Thornton was the best singer in PCD in their heyday when that's definitely not true (watch Melody try to perform their songs on her own) so that's another example of how general perception and truth aren't always in sync with each other. As for your last point about Interscope not marketing her as powerhouse singer, why would they? Where is Leona Lewis now? Even Nicole is doing better than her in the UK.
Yes, you've said that before and you still can't back it up. You claim that that "compared to other pop singers, she's not particularly unique," but I've mentioned practically every major pop star like Rihanna in my previous posts and you can't argue that Nicole isn't more talented. Instead you brought up people outside of the entertainment world, Broadway performers and professional dancers to undermine her abilities. You know very well that Nicole is a better singer and a better dancer than the vast majority of pop stars (and can perform well in both areas). As for unique, we've already gone through this. People like Rihanna cannot pull of a Leona Lewis song/performance and vice-versa, but Nicole can pull off both.
"Well, she is Beyonce"? Lol, so much for talking about bias. I'm not impressed by her "overall performance" and many people do consider her a great dancer when she's not. And there's nothing impressive about her performing abilities. The best thing about that the Run the World BMAs performance was the visuals copied from another artist, not the vocals and definitely not the dancing.
I'm aware Ciara gets praised, but it's limited. Also, I've never said that Nicole is a better dancer than her, but she's definitely one of the best. The only active pop stars nowadays better than her are Ciara and Jennifer Lopez. As for Nicole not getting praise for her dancing, this is just her singing; most people aren't even aware she's a good dancer. Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake at their peaks received a lot more praise for their dancing then Jennifer Lopez. Are you going to argue that either of them are better dancers than her? Don't.
a) Nicole's last two singles were Wet and Try With Me. Wet was released as the UK/Australia single when Don't Hold Your Breath was released in the US. Try With Me is just a UK single for their re-release of the album.
b) Are you seriously bragging about Your Body peaking 5 spots above Right There lol? The former peaked at its debut and free fell off the charts while the latter charted for over 3 months. Right There has gone gold. Your Body is not going to.
c) Nicole started working on her album Killer Love in 2010 and it was released in 2011. That album that she was working in 2005-07 was scrapped, but the work was released. It was called Doll Domination.
d) Not sure how you're adding US sales into this since the UK is a much smaller territory, but Killer Love sold +19K in its first week out in the UK. Lotus sold 10K less copies. Killer Love went onto sell over 300K in the UK. Do you really think Lotus is going catch up there?
If you're going to use Wikipedia to troll Nicole, you might want to spend more time reading instead of eagerly responding. At least you didn't respond 3x to that post like last time. lol.
As for Nicole's voice, she's never displayed the same abilities. I mean, if you want to use Stickwitchu as a reference of Nicole's abilities, go ahead. Theme aside, it's a ballad. Nicole does display more skill, if that is what you mean, in the previous videos, but her voice has not changed. As for the term power ballad, it is actually not about a person's vocal abilities. That is your misunderstanding, by the way.
You're comparing Nicole's first, second releases to Christina's work which is being released when she's well over a decade into her career. Oh and Christina's singles still chart better in the US (where Nicole started too but can't stay relevant or have a solo hit despite performing on X Factor US last year ). You can do comparisons if Nicole even lasts a decade into her career, which she probably wont.
Now go compare her first, second releases to Christina's first and second and you'll see my point "'Nicole is under-rated' is overrated"
Must be so sad being Nicole not knowing what a #1 single or album in your home country feels, and also not knowing how a Grammy feels. And also not knowing how being relevant feels. And also not knowing what successful touring around the world feels like.
So yes if you're actually going to compare Nicole to Christina and say she is better, you are fucking stupid. You can always say "I like her more" which is your opinion. But it's an insult to Christina to be put in the same boat as Nicole. But she is not better in any way.
And for the record, I am not a major Christina fan. In fact I hate her Lotus era probably more than anyone here on JUB. But I'm giving credit where credit is due.