Everyone wants to be heard. No one wants to listen.
If I can interject here as I've seen JohannBessler comment on the millenials before, I think the middle ground between what you two are saying is that young people, or people of x generation, are not necessarily "less apathetic", "more active", "more intellectual" or anything else on the whole than they were before, but younger people today are still a product of their times, and being a product of the times today embraces ideas like gay tolerance and support of gay equality in a way totally unmirrored in the older demographics (even when they were younger) and that is what JB is happy to see. (If I understand it correctly.) It's not necessarily saying (to Razor) that they're all more enlightened and intelligent-- but they did all grow up in a more enlightened time, with more enlightened ideas.
I'd take "unenlightened" and opposed to gay equality over apathetic and allowing the economy and the planet to get destroyed any day.
If having to live in some gay ghetto meant a better healthcare system, cleaner environment, and more job opportunities, I'd take the trade-off.
Granted, baby boomers are much worse about this stuff (brainwashed Reagan generation), but their offspring have chosen to do nothing about it.
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You should watch Shark Tank, Razor. It's pretty much gospel in the business world that anything "green" right now sells like absolute hotcakes, and will generally outsell something "not green" other factors being comparable. We could have a totally different discussion about how many actual "green" products are really, in fact, net "better" for the environment, but the fact remains that people do want more ecologically friendly choices. We can't "blame" people in the U.S. individually for something like: "you're still using fossil fuels", because people much older and much richer than today's young people have made the decision for us that we should not have other options. You can't go out and vote with your wallet "against" things like fossil fuels as far as say-- transportation-- because you do not have any other options, unlike in places like Brazil or Iceland.
I think your comment implies that viable, aggressively green platformed candidates are all over and would have won strong holdings in government except for young voters siding with old status quo dinosaurs. I'm not entirely sure if that's an accurate picture of the political landscape. You and I have had some discussions about California politicians and as much as I do feel many of them aren't progressive enough on the right issues, I can't even pretend we'd be further along with Republicans in those seats instead.
Eh, you're making a faulty assumption when you say "aggressively green." I guess something like bus rapid transit would mark a substantial change, but I don't see its inclusion in a political platform as markedly radical or something that would be odious to most moderate voters. Would someone like Debbie Stabenow, for instance, sink her campaign if she were to hypothetically support earmarking just a little extra money for improved urban transit in Detroit? Doubtful.
And I'm not really accusing young voters of siding with status quo dinosaurs on this particular issue. While I think they tend to embrace a flawed "America can do no wrong" sentiment, I think their positions on specific issues are more progressive. It's just that they're so apathetic that they don't get out and vote/participate. They're not siding with the dinosaurs - they're enabling them.
That's exactly right, Buzzer, but it isn't just gay rights. They seem to look at every issue with an unvarnished light.
One thing I absolutely despise about my generation--and older ones--is that political party has become an Identity. If you vote Republican, you ARE a Republican, and you must accept everything the party bosses feed you. The Democrats do it, too, although not to such a degree.
I despise this kind of thinking,because it becomes a religion, really, and when it comes to political figures, you might as well just put a monkey in office; it's OK as long as he's a Republican monkey.
But the Millennials won't have any of that. They think for themselves in a way that no other generation before them can even imagine.
After waiting for so long to see it, I was finally able to watch The Master. Now, I'm pissed off that Joaquin Phoenix didn't win Best Actor at the Oscars this year. Actually, why didn't this film win all of the awards. And the complaints that it was boring/it had no storyline...erm. What.
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I'm ready...to give up on men. :c)
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You know...I have such deep-seated bitterness, resentment, etc. about my time in school, that to this day...just the sight of a school bus makes me angry.
I wonder if I should see a therapist or something.
Oh, and that moment when you spot a really good thread on JUB that you don't have time to read, because you're headed out to work.![]()
Understand me.
Balls to the walls hella fuckin awesome.
"killing a man should take long enough for one's conscience to get in the way."
Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did.
Fuck you and I mean that sarcastically.
I have to deal with asshole bikers [not the motor kind, the pedal one] all the time and they think they rule the road and I love to fucking tailgate the fuckers when they are not in single file. Fuck, even joggers in the morning are free-range targets when they are running against traffic, especially when they run in the street and not the sidewalk. If I haven't had my coffee intake, I will swerve to give them a scare because it is in fact illegal to run in the street when there is a crosswalk.
Lots of road rage against those two groups but it isn't my fault if they don't know the rules of the road.
That sucks. I've heard that really bad experiences with bullying can lead to PTSD, sometimes it never goes away. If it's really bothering you, yeah, go ahead and see a therapist. Besides, you never know how the resentment or bitterness that stems from your time in school may be effecting your quality of life in other ways. Maybe therapy would help you confront these emotions and move on.
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I am so disappointed in myself right now.
It's one thing to be let down by someone else...but to let yourself down is one of the worst feelings ever.
Putting a positive note in this thread,
I am happy that my two best Aussie JUB members have found someone they like/love. I hope everything goes well with them and soon, I will be attending one of their weddings (provided Australia pass the law.)
the worst thing is when people stand side-by-side on the escalator... that makes me rage, and I frequently end up nudging one aside.
there's an unspoken rule on the escalators.. if you're going to stand there, stand on the right and allow people who are walking down to pass on the left. never block the entire escalator unless there's literally no one else around.
"killing a man should take long enough for one's conscience to get in the way."
when I'm single, there's not much that annoys me more than happy couples.
bitter and sad, I know.
"killing a man should take long enough for one's conscience to get in the way."
/comfort Feel like talking about it?
I feel you. I still haven't fully gotten over one of my biggest self letdown, even when I partially made up for it.
I just did that the other day!Someone had sent it to me. I got an ISFJ.
Aww, definitely far from overweight though. Let's have some cheesecake.![]()
"Don't hold strong opinions about things you don't understand."
I am going stop being nice. Everyone takes me as granted as if I am supposed to do their shits. No. Go fuck yourself.
I give up. I've spent the last year trying to make a long distance relationship work. I can't do it any longer, it's not worth the stress and heartache.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
"You may only be one person to the world, but you may also be the world to one person"
- anonymous quote.
"killing a man should take long enough for one's conscience to get in the way."
^ Such long staircase. My car is parked on the 6th floor and every time I go our I had to walk the 6 stairs and drive down the 6 levels of spiral parking. Times like that I wish I had lifts in the parking or live in ground houses.
lol Str8 couples annoy me to no end. Gay ones makes me happy and gives me hope haha that I can someday be like them![]()
Holy fuck
I officially have a stalker
"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "![]()
--Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000
*the number is now forty
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I confess, I'm very much an enabler, mostly with family.
I feel this way at times, but the world doesn't need more people like that. With all the cynics in the world, it's refreshing to meet kind hearted souls every now and then. Probably why I prefer to be around kids and animals. With that said, it's ok to say no. You shouldn't have to feel badly about it. It's ok to put yourself first sometimes. We all have our own things we want/need to get done.
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I've done the long distance thing. It didn't work out, but we're still friends. It's definitely a lot more work. It's not for everyone or even most.
"Don't hold strong opinions about things you don't understand."
BTW, thank you, Razzie.
You helped me bring closure to the BB episode.
you're keeping it real. you have every right to be annoyed. i feel the same exact way. being single and a virgin my whole entire life, i feel like i'm on death row kinda. watching people who are way younger than me go to the "other side", get laid, get into relationships before me while i'm still waiting, contemplating about letting things happen naturally where i just so happen to find someone or someone finds me or i'll just say fuck it and give it up to whoever to get things over and done with. sometimes, it just pisses me off. so far, 26 going on 27 this year. it also doesn't help when the issue doesn't go away because someone's always bringing it to your face 24/7 talking about it. you come on the forum, someone talks about it. you turn on the tv to watch your favorite tv show, it's there. you go to sleep and then the issue is right there in your dreams. sometimes, i miss being a kid where issues like this didn't exist.
but speaking of which, i was irked the fuck out today. i was getting so annoyed of being alive, being in this body where i can feel everything happening in my body from my skin touching the sheet to my heart beating the blood in my veins, i just wanted to pull the plug on me for a second. i just wanted my heart to stop. i just wanted to be dead for a moment of time where i just didn't feel a single thing around me, not even myself. just allowing myself to simply not exist where i would get a chance to rest in peace because even when i'm sleeping and dreaming, i don't feel like i'm resting. i still feel alive. i'm still alive where i could feel my insides working and i'm like damnit. stop working for a minute. just stop. i know i can't make time stop BUT it would be cool if i could just stop forever and then start when i feel like it. i wasn't suicidal or depressed, at that moment, but i just got a bit annoyed when i woke up like why the fuck am i still here to basically face the same shit that i want to run and get away from period. after i feel like i'm well rested and have the energy, strength and willpower to go back to life, i would just turn myself back on or plug myself into the wall and come back to life.i wish i could do that. basically have the ability to let myself die and then come back to life when i feel like it.
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one thing about the closet/you don't have to hurry/it will be bad tomorrow/so brother, don't you worry![]()