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    It's NOT Big Brother We Should Worry About, It's Big Business. Threatened Layoffs If Mitt Loses

    President Eisenhower (much too progressive for today's righties) had it right. He warned about Military Industrial Complex, he didn't forsee it's being conglomerates vs the little guy.

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/k...-election.html

    Fear mongering @ it's worst.

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    This is illegal.

    "...For this reason, federal election law maintains a blanket prohibition on private companies telling their employees which candidate they should support. Even making more nuanced statements - such as suggestions that if one party or the other triumphs, business may suffer and workers may have to be laid off - is illegal under federal law."

    http://www.americanrightsatwork.org/...-nor-fair.html

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    Re: It's NOT Big Brother We Should Worry About, It's Big Business. Threatened Layoffs If Mitt Loses

    Wow - pretty direct

    I don't like the idea of doing it

    But how is this different from unions advising members to vote democrat ? To protect their interest

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    Re: It's NOT Big Brother We Should Worry About, It's Big Business. Threatened Layoffs If Mitt Loses

    ^ Like the right wing cares.

    I'm surprised they are breaking the legs of any employee they think might vote Democrat.

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    Re: It's NOT Big Brother We Should Worry About, It's Big Business. Threatened Layoffs If Mitt Loses

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Wow - pretty direct

    I don't like the idea of doing it

    But how is this different from unions advising members to vote democrat ? To protect their interest
    Let's see...

    Unions exist to promote the welfare of their members. Corporations exist to promote the welfare of their owners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bw92116 View Post
    This is illegal.

    "...For this reason, federal election law maintains a blanket prohibition on private companies telling their employees which candidate they should support. Even making more nuanced statements - such as suggestions that if one party or the other triumphs, business may suffer and workers may have to be laid off - is illegal under federal law."

    http://www.americanrightsatwork.org/...-nor-fair.html
    I was formerly employed by a government office in a county which has no Democrats. I was told that my bosses had access to the ballots cast in the county, and that I would be fired if I did not vote Republican.

    I was never quite sure whether this was a bluff or true. It did not seem to me that I was important enough for them to go to the trouble of checking. I know that they did check my registration, to make sure I was registered as a Republican (another requirement of working there).

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    Re: It's NOT Big Brother We Should Worry About, It's Big Business. Threatened Layoffs If Mitt Loses

    Republicans and big business have little recourse in a functioning democracy, so they try and pervert the voting process as much as possible.
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    thinking that business is essentially secular , functionally opposed to or independent of both the church and the government . A business run correctly will minimize the expense of wages , exploit labour , I think slavery is quite cheap . Banking and money-lending was originally a proper sin , which is why it was restricted to the Jews . Government we have the "black market" trillions of dollars ( all drugs and prostitution ) much of our economy is hidden , illegal . So exploiting the workers vs. responding to a demand . Cities founded by the Jesuits or the Hudson's Bay Company .
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    Re: It's NOT Big Brother We Should Worry About, It's Big Business. Threatened Layoffs If Mitt Loses

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    I was formerly employed by a government office in a county which has no Democrats. I was told that my bosses had access to the ballots cast in the county, and that I would be fired if I did not vote Republican.

    I was never quite sure whether this was a bluff or true. It did not seem to me that I was important enough for them to go to the trouble of checking. I know that they did check my registration, to make sure I was registered as a Republican (another requirement of working there).


    This is LEGAL in the United States!?!?

    (wait, let me guess - it's illegal in some states, but legal in others)

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    Re: It's NOT Big Brother We Should Worry About, It's Big Business. Threatened Layoffs If Mitt Loses

    In terms of first-world countries, the US is one of the most corrupt governments. Only France is more corrupt than the US.

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    Re: It's NOT Big Brother We Should Worry About, It's Big Business. Threatened Layoffs If Mitt Loses

    According to the WARN Act of 1988, any employer with more than 100 employees must notify their employess of a pending layoff or factory shutdown. This is becoming a very big story after the Department of Defense notified companies like Lockheed Martin that they don't have to noftify their employees of a pending first of the year layoff (which would have to be done by Nov 1st 5 days before the election) and that the DOD would pay any penalties indurred.

    Sounds like a whole lot of nothing but people deflecting on the Koch Brothers. When the Obama Admin is playing dirty

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    There they go again... CEO threatens to fire employees unless they vote right

    This is utterly ridiculous but apparently the millionaires have decided since they can not restrict the polls by using the law since we have these silly things called courts.

    So this numb nuts threatens if they don't install Romney as their dear leader then he will fire employees.

    CEO threatens to fire employees if President Obama re-elected

    What a piece of shit to try and manipulate his vote. Of course those Koch's are doing the same thing.

    Koch brothers threaten to fire employees if Obama wins

    What a disgusting group of leeches on America.

    That isnt all I imagine now that their vote restrictions have stopped in the courts we will see more.

    remember the story of the coal miners forced to stand behind Romney or lose their jobs?

    How anyone can defend these criminals and their armed with your vote politicians is beyond me.
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    Re: It's NOT Big Brother We Should Worry About, It's Big Business. Threatened Layoffs If Mitt Loses

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Wow - pretty direct

    I don't like the idea of doing it

    But how is this different from unions advising members to vote democrat ? To protect their interest
    I ask again

    how is this different?

    http://articles.boston.com/2012-10-1...izabeth-warren

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    Re: There they go again... CEO threatens to fire employees unless they vote right

    ^ But can someone tell me that SURELY an employee can successfully sue for wrongful/unfair dismissal?

    Or is any U.S. court seriously going to say....

    "Sorry, Mr. Jones, you have every right to be sacked for being a Democrat voter. Case dismissed."

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    Re: There they go again... CEO threatens to fire employees unless they vote right

    Look again. The employers are merely predicting hard times which may impact the employers and then the employees. Not a threat. It may be a violation of the union dictated statute, but the statute is an obvious violation of the First Amendment. If Obama is reelected, millions will lose their jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenGuy View Post
    ^ But can someone tell me that SURELY an employee can successfully sue for wrongful/unfair dismissal?

    Or is any U.S. court seriously going to say....

    "Sorry, Mr. Jones, you have every right to be sacked for being a Democrat voter. Case dismissed."
    Read about the horribleness that is arbitration. It's particularly popular in the red states and that is why suing a huge corporation in one of those states is impossible.

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    Re: It's NOT Big Brother We Should Worry About, It's Big Business. Threatened Layoffs If Mitt Loses

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    Simple.

    No one is threatening them with layoffs if Romney gets in. Actually, if Romney gets in, unions, like gays will be toasst, oh & women's rights too

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    Re: There they go again... CEO threatens to fire employees unless they vote right

    Then what about a 'class action lawsuit' (hope I have the right term - I mean for multiple cases where the same violation/infringement of rights has occurred)

    I'm STUNNED that this is actually happening in the United States without a court ruling it completely illegal.

    Unbelievable.

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    Re: There they go again... CEO threatens to fire employees unless they vote right

    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenGuy View Post


    This is LEGAL in the United States!?!?

    (wait, let me guess - it's illegal in some states, but legal in others)
    Citizens of the USA are not permitted simply to go and vote, as in any civilized country. We must register with a political party (i.e., as a Democrat or a Republican or an Independent) prior to voting. These registration records are available publicly. If you want to know your neighbor's political affiliation, your local county office can tell you.

    So far as I know, it is not illegal for an employer to compel an employee to register with a particular party. That probably does vary by jurisdiction, however.

    It probably is illegal everywhere for an employer to compel an employee to vote for a particular candidate or party. In my case, however, 100% of every office in the county is held by a Republican, and that has been the case for the last 11 years. That includes the sheriff, the prosecutor, all the judges, and pretty much everyone who would be on a jury. If I wanted to bring a case against my employer for requiring me to vote Republican, I'm not sure who I could complain to. My guess is that the Republican judge would throw the case out.

    BTW, voting here is like voting in a communist country. Since we have no Democratic Party, most of the Republican candidates go unchallenged. So, there is only one candidate (the Republican nominee) for every office. When you win the Republican nomination, you have won the election.

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    Re: It's NOT Big Brother We Should Worry About, It's Big Business. Threatened Layoffs If Mitt Loses

    This year the Tea Bagging GOP wants both ways voter suppression voter blackmail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Citizens of the USA are not permitted simply to go and vote, as in any civilized country. We must register with a political party (i.e., as a Democrat or a Republican or an Independent) prior to voting.
    Every state has different voting laws. In Wisconsin (yes I realized I mistyped my username after my first post) you only need register to vote with your district. No one is registered with a party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenGuy View Post


    This is LEGAL in the United States!?!?

    (wait, let me guess - it's illegal in some states, but legal in others)
    It's frightening isn't it, and yet here in the UK these things happen - but on a much smaller scale, and without the bullying. Here in Lincolnshire, back in the day when many people worked on the land, employees would regularly vote for who their landowners voted for. The theory being that if the landowners were voting for the party that had the best policies for their business success, it was in the employees interests to vote the same in order to safeguard their jobs. Not so much the case with automation everywhere now, but it still happens...

    As for the US, it really is disgraceful beyond words that a country which promotes democracy across the globe, should allow it to be so corrupted on it's own turf

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    Re: It's NOT Big Brother We Should Worry About, It's Big Business. Threatened Layoffs If Mitt Loses

    Step 1. Stop registering political affiliations.

    Step 2. Stop electing Sheriffs and Judges.

    Step 3. Kill the idea that money is speech. Forbid PACS and SuperPacs.

    Step 4. Institute 60 day election periods

    Step 5. Get rid of primaries.

    Step 6. Kill gerrymandering.

    Step 7. Impose term limits on legislators.

    Step 8. Get rid of the electoral college.

    I'm sure that there are more steps to take, but until some or all of these steps are taken, the American system of voting is so broken that it is no wonder that it is drifting away from being the model of free and fair elections.

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    Yes, money is speech. This year, the media, more than ever before have actively campaigned for candidates. How is their money different from other money? Silencing the PACS would not silence the media, or the malefactors of great wealth, like Soros.
    It is not possible to end gerrymandering for the simple reason that any way in which the lines are drawn affect the composition of the electorate. There is often no objectively correct way to draw the lines. A classic illustration is that a few years ago, the Democrats passed a federal statute requiring states to draw the lines in such a way as to ensure minority representation. But the effect was to gather Democrats minorities together in some districts, leaving other districts where the Democrats had no chance.
    If you think it is wrong for employers to suggest that the election may adversely affect the business and the employees, is it not also wrong for the labor bosses to suggest that they should vote in ways that will hurt the employer?

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    Re: It's NOT Big Brother We Should Worry About, It's Big Business. Threatened Layoffs If Mitt Loses

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    ...If you think it is wrong for employers to suggest that the election may adversely affect the business and the employees, is it not also wrong for the labor bosses to suggest that they should vote in ways that will hurt the employer?
    There's nothing wrong with either of them pointing out possible scenarios dependent upon the eventual victor, but it's downright wrong to blackmail an employee to vote in a certain way in order to keep their job. My employer pays me to do specific tasks, and whilst my Terms & Conditions may restrict certain aspects of my private life regarding drink, drugs, acceptable public behaviour, they haven't bought my right to a free vote. I may well be a Labour supporter in some areas, but if the Tory party policies at our next election made more sense to me, then I might be more inclined to vote Tory. The most important thing is, I have the free choice to make that decision without fear of repercussion from my employer.
    Last edited by quasar; October 16th, 2012 at 05:57 AM.

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    Remember, the employer has no way of knowing how the employee votes. It is not a threat, it is informing the employee how the election may adversely affect the business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Remember, the employer has no way of knowing how the employee votes. It is not a threat, it is informing the employee how the election may adversely affect the business.
    I appreciate that this 'theoretically' (and legally) would not happen, but if I was an employee here:
    The largest privately held US coal company, Murray Energy, was also found to have pressured its employees to donate money to Republican candidates, The New Republic found.

    “We have been insulted by every salaried employee who does not support our efforts,” CEO Robert Murray wrote in a letter to employees, which listed names of those who had not yet attended fundraisers. http://rt.com/usa/news/koch-brothers-obama-vote-501/
    I'd figure that it wouldn't be that big a leap for my boss to guess if I voted Republican or Democrat. Whilst Murray Energy won't know which of it's employees voted Democrat, by listing those employees who haven't attended Republican fundraisers, they're subtly saying "We know who you are, and when Obama take office again, you'll be the first to go..." - and because your Employment Laws are not as progressive as ours, they'll probably get away with it.

    It's certainly an interesting insight into US politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quasar View Post
    I may well be a Labour supporter in some areas, but if the Tory party policies at our next election made more sense to me, then I might be more inclined to vote Tory. The most important thing is, I have the free choice to make that decision without fear of repercussion from my employer.
    This is where you're lucky in the UK in that you have a conservative party that hasn't lost it's mind to all the "phobias", xeno, homo. Islama, & to religious zealots, all though I'm sure you have your share. Sometimes I swear we would have been better off with a parliamentary form of government, with a figurehead president (like modern Germany) or dare I say it, a monarch. Did you know that at one time, it was bandied about in post revolutionary America, to ask one of Frederick the Great's brothers to reign here as king? That would have caused more confusion in WWI, possibly turning the American branch of the Hohenzollerns into the House of Virginia, Massachusetts or New Jersey!!

    If they changed it today, I'd vote for Prince Harry as King of the US, LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Citizens of the USA are not permitted simply to go and vote, as in any civilized country. We must register with a political party (i.e., as a Democrat or a Republican or an Independent) prior to voting.
    That is not true in my state; however, we must choose a particular party ballot (or independent) when voting in any Primary Election.

    As of 2010, 28 states and the District of Columbia allow registered voters to indicate a party preference when registering to vote; the following 22 states (mostly in the South and the Midwest) do not provide for party preferences in voter registration: Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, North Dakota, Ohio, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington and Wisconsin. Wiki (2010)
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