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    DNA Evidence Can be Fabricated

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/sc...8dna.html?_r=0

    "The authors of the paper took blood from a woman and centrifuged it to remove the white cells, which contain DNA. To the remaining red cells they added DNA that had been amplified from a manís hair.

    Since red cells do not contain DNA, all of the genetic material in the blood sample was from the man. The authors sent it to a leading American forensics laboratory, which analyzed it as if it were a normal sample of a manís blood."

    "Any biology undergraduate could perform this.Ē

    A 2009 article, but the first time I've ever heard of it. I was watching Law and Order SVU and someone was framed for murder with this technique. Of course, I thought it was pretty cool, but was skeptical since I first learned of it from a TV show, so I looked it up.

    It's genius, really. But it's a bit scary for the criminal justice system, since it's so reliant on DNA evidence. Just thought it was interesting though.

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    Re: DNA Evidence Can be Fabricated

    Science depends on adherence to objective, principled methodology. You can always play games with the methodolgy, but then you're no longer dealing with science.

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    Re: DNA Evidence Can be Fabricated

    Kein, Kein, Kein... and you laughed at me for doubting some scientists. If you only knew how much fraud and misinformation abounds in scientific circles, you would be stunned. $$ and politics create "scientific discoveries" every day.
    Inspired - but too tired.

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    Re: DNA Evidence Can be Fabricated

    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post
    Kein, Kein, Kein... and you laughed at me for doubting some scientists. If you only knew how much fraud and misinformation abounds in scientific circles, you would be stunned. $$ and politics create "scientific discoveries" every day.
    Indeed. There is no such thing as Global Warming, and scientists have the (well-paid-to-keep-their-mouths-shut) proof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post
    Kein, Kein, Kein... and you laughed at me for doubting some scientists. If you only knew how much fraud and misinformation abounds in scientific circles, you would be stunned. $$ and politics create "scientific discoveries" every day.
    Oh yes, it's all one big conspiracy isn't it? Care to cite any proof for those claims? Or is that futile to ask?

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    Re: DNA Evidence Can be Fabricated

    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post
    Kein, Kein, Kein... and you laughed at me for doubting some scientists. If you only knew how much fraud and misinformation abounds in scientific circles, you would be stunned. $$ and politics create "scientific discoveries" every day.
    I am not discrediting science at all. This is merely an extension of science.

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    Re: DNA Evidence Can be Fabricated

    Quote Originally Posted by loveguys72 View Post
    Science depends on adherence to objective, principled methodology. You can always play games with the methodolgy, but then you're no longer dealing with science.
    Quoted for truth. There are guidelines and rules in science that need to be followed in science.

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    All the more reason never to allow for the death penalty, under any circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorzEdge88 View Post
    All the more reason never to allow for the death penalty, under any circumstances.
    Absolutely. But I'm against the death penalty for other reasons too. Either way, in any civilized country, there shouldn't be the death penalty.

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    Re: DNA Evidence Can be Fabricated

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Oh yes, it's all one big conspiracy isn't it? Care to cite any proof for those claims? Or is that futile to ask?
    Oh GiancarloC, you are too cute. Really. Is your Google broken or can't you grasp that fraud exists even in science. Ok, ok. I'll give you a few examples...

    http://io9.com/5855733/psychologist-...ntific-studies

    http://www.experiment-resources.com/science-fraud.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_misconduct

    http://www.naturalnews.com/034823_ca...ion_drugs.html

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/cancercure.asp
    Inspired - but too tired.

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    I never said scientific fraud didn't exist. That's why there should be several steps in verifying scientific data. But the fact that everything is a conspiracy theory doesn't fly. Sorry. Come back with a real argument please.

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    Re: DNA Evidence Can be Fabricated

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    I never said scientific fraud didn't exist. That's why there should be several steps in verifying scientific data. But the fact that everything is a conspiracy theory doesn't fly. Sorry. Come back with a real argument please.
    Totally illogical.
    Inspired - but too tired.

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    Oh look, an Alex Jones follower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post
    Totally illogical.
    What's illogical with my response?

    You can also tell I'm all for a multiple appeal process, against the death penalty and also for several labs verifying results. The defense in any legal proceeding can refer to other labs and such.

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    Re: DNA Evidence Can be Fabricated

    Man, I hope nobody effs with my puppy's purebred genetic analysis. I just dropped his cheek swabs in the mail today.

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    In that case, free OJ.

    Oh yeah, right. He's rotting in jail anyways!!!!

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    Just because scientific fraud does exist does not mean that all science is fraudulent, of course. Nor does it automatically suggest that any conspiracies are in play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kien View Post
    Just because scientific fraud does exist does not mean that all science is fraudulent, of course. Nor does it automatically suggest that any conspiracies are in play.
    It does if you're wearing a tinfoil hat.

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    Re: DNA Evidence Can be Fabricated

    Wait.



    So what you're telling me is that you can post stories without "Quotes" and not get clocked by the Mods?

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    Re: DNA Evidence Can be Fabricated

    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalFudge View Post
    Wait.



    So what you're telling me is that you can post stories without "Quotes" and not get clocked by the Mods?
    Mods are usually on the look out for that in CE&P more then here... though I have seen them edit posts here in general discussion. Guess they didn't catch it.

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    I can see both sides equally.

    I consider myself a strong believer in science; in fact, I could even call myself a science nerd. Just ask me about sleep science or neurology sometime, you'll get an earful.

    But there still exist the ugly fact that corporations can buy scientists, that money can corrupt scientists--especially in the United States. This has the unfortunate effect of ruining their credibility.

    Is it any wonder why the whole Republican Party thumbs its nose at science?

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