DNA Evidence Can be Fabricated

[Kien]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/sc...8dna.html?_r=0

"The authors of the paper took blood from a woman and centrifuged it to remove the white cells, which contain DNA. To the remaining red cells they added DNA that had been amplified from a man’s hair.

Since red cells do not contain DNA, all of the genetic material in the blood sample was from the man. The authors sent it to a leading American forensics laboratory, which analyzed it as if it were a normal sample of a man’s blood."

"Any biology undergraduate could perform this.”

A 2009 article, but the first time I've ever heard of it. I was watching Law and Order SVU and someone was framed for murder with this technique. Of course, I thought it was pretty cool, but was skeptical since I first learned of it from a TV show, so I looked it up.

It's genius, really. But it's a bit scary for the criminal justice system, since it's so reliant on DNA evidence. Just thought it was interesting though.

[loveguys72]

Science depends on adherence to objective, principled methodology. You can always play games with the methodolgy, but then you're no longer dealing with science.

[mikey3000]

Kein, Kein, Kein... and you laughed at me for doubting some scientists. If you only knew how much fraud and misinformation abounds in scientific circles, you would be stunned. $$ and politics create "scientific discoveries" every day.

[gsdx]

Kein, Kein, Kein... and you laughed at me for doubting some scientists. If you only knew how much fraud and misinformation abounds in scientific circles, you would be stunned. $$ and politics create "scientific discoveries" every day.

Indeed. There is no such thing as Global Warming, and scientists have the (well-paid-to-keep-their-mouths-shut) proof.

[GiancarloC]

Kein, Kein, Kein... and you laughed at me for doubting some scientists. If you only knew how much fraud and misinformation abounds in scientific circles, you would be stunned. $$ and politics create "scientific discoveries" every day.

Oh yes, it's all one big conspiracy isn't it? Care to cite any proof for those claims? Or is that futile to ask?

[Kien]

Kein, Kein, Kein... and you laughed at me for doubting some scientists. If you only knew how much fraud and misinformation abounds in scientific circles, you would be stunned. $$ and politics create "scientific discoveries" every day.

I am not discrediting science at all. This is merely an extension of science.

[GiancarloC]

Science depends on adherence to objective, principled methodology. You can always play games with the methodolgy, but then you're no longer dealing with science.

Quoted for truth. There are guidelines and rules in science that need to be followed in science.

[RazorzEdge88]

All the more reason never to allow for the death penalty, under any circumstances.

[GiancarloC]

All the more reason never to allow for the death penalty, under any circumstances.

Absolutely. But I'm against the death penalty for other reasons too. Either way, in any civilized country, there shouldn't be the death penalty.

[mikey3000]

Oh yes, it's all one big conspiracy isn't it? Care to cite any proof for those claims? Or is that futile to ask?

Oh GiancarloC, you are too cute. Really. Is your Google broken or can't you grasp that fraud exists even in science. Ok, ok. I'll give you a few examples...

http://io9.com/5855733/psychologist-...ntific-studies

http://www.experiment-resources.com/science-fraud.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_misconduct

http://www.naturalnews.com/034823_ca...ion_drugs.html

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/cancercure.asp

[GiancarloC]

I never said scientific fraud didn't exist. That's why there should be several steps in verifying scientific data. But the fact that everything is a conspiracy theory doesn't fly. Sorry. Come back with a real argument please.

[mikey3000]

I never said scientific fraud didn't exist. That's why there should be several steps in verifying scientific data. But the fact that everything is a conspiracy theory doesn't fly. Sorry. Come back with a real argument please.

Totally illogical.

[RazorzEdge88]

Oh look, an Alex Jones follower.

[GiancarloC]

Totally illogical.

What's illogical with my response?

You can also tell I'm all for a multiple appeal process, against the death penalty and also for several labs verifying results. The defense in any legal proceeding can refer to other labs and such.

[zoltanspawn]

Man, I hope nobody effs with my puppy's purebred genetic analysis. I just dropped his cheek swabs in the mail today.

[M10000]

In that case, free OJ.

Oh yeah, right. He's rotting in jail anyways!!!!

[Kien]

Just because scientific fraud does exist does not mean that all science is fraudulent, of course. Nor does it automatically suggest that any conspiracies are in play.

[RazorzEdge88]

Just because scientific fraud does exist does not mean that all science is fraudulent, of course. Nor does it automatically suggest that any conspiracies are in play.

It does if you're wearing a tinfoil hat.

[DigitalFudge]

Wait.



So what you're telling me is that you can post stories without "Quotes" and not get clocked by the Mods?

[GiancarloC]

Wait.



So what you're telling me is that you can post stories without "Quotes" and not get clocked by the Mods?

Mods are usually on the look out for that in CE&P more then here... though I have seen them edit posts here in general discussion. Guess they didn't catch it.

[RazorzEdge88]

[JohannBessler]

I can see both sides equally.

I consider myself a strong believer in science; in fact, I could even call myself a science nerd. Just ask me about sleep science or neurology sometime, you'll get an earful.

But there still exist the ugly fact that corporations can buy scientists, that money can corrupt scientists--especially in the United States. This has the unfortunate effect of ruining their credibility.

Is it any wonder why the whole Republican Party thumbs its nose at science?