how can anybody defend a man that does this to a woman?

[BFizzle]

How can any man do that to a woman? Sexist much?

Wouldn't it be kind of sexist not to hit her because she's a woman?

[purina]

I love quotations

I do too.

"The problem with quotes on the internet is that many are not genuine." - Abraham Lincoln

[MissAnne]

Men are naturally stronger than women, to use that strength to retaliate against words or harmless spitting only demonstrates the weakness of mind of this lame excuse of a "man", I bet he beats his wife and kids too...

^ This.

I know that spitting on someone is one of the most disgusting, direspectful things that you can do to another person. Horrible. I would have understood had he thrown/pushed her off the bus, but I have to agree with ThatGirl, excessive force....for example, an uppercut was excessive and not called for.

[AshyPhoenix]

Bitch was asking for it. Anyone spits on me, they're getting their slick ass beat.

[Huntneo(PT)]

Finish him!!!!

[reone]

^ I lol'd...

[GiancarloC]

I would arrest both of them. The lady for causing a public disturbance and assault (for spitting if that did in fact happen), and the driver for assault. She wasn't exactly coming up to him being dangerous. She was just standing there talking a lot of crap. They were both out of line and I will NOT defend either of them. However, that was clearly excessive force by the driver and I do hope he is fired... and maybe charged.

Edit: After watching that follow-up video, the driver was suspended... I hope he's fired for good. As far as her attitude, I'm glad she admits that it was wrong.

[animalius]

Wouldn't it be kind of sexist not to hit her because she's a woman?

You misunderstand me. I'm saying not hitting her is sexist. She wants equal rights with guys? Treat her like guys.

[Coward92]

"Maybe you could make your displeasure known by kicking my ass, and then I'd stop doing it." - Lex

Lex

I wouldn't do that only because you have an opinion. Im not a monster, I just think differently (You know, like Im different from heterosexual people)

what you said is very fitting for your screenname.

Ouch. Now you hurt my feelings. Seriously though. Don't condemn me for my opinion. I didn't say I would do the same (Even though ... yeah I probably would) Cowardice ddn't play a role in the scene anyways.

Men are naturally stronger than women, to use that strength to retaliate against words or harmless spitting only demonstrates the weakness of mind of this lame excuse of a "man", I bet he beats his wife and kids too...
You seem to agree that uppercutting someone is an adequate answer to mere name-calling, I wish for you this sort of violence you condone is never turned against you.

I love quotations

Short sentences drawn from long experience. ~Miguel de Cervantes

In phrases as brief as a breath worldly wisdom concentrates. ~Willis Goth Regier, Quotology, 2010

I made sure no-one turns that against me

[Nishin]

You misunderstand me. I'm saying not hitting her is sexist. She wants equal rights with guys? Treat her like guys.

Equal rights don't necessarily mean equal treatment... where did you get that idea from?
ie : In general, a moderately active 19/30yo woman needs 2,000 to 2,200 calories a day, whereas a man in the same category needs 2,600 to 2,800.
Yet, both have the equal right to feed themselves.
(sorry I couldn't think of a better example ... have had my morning coffee yet

But with rights come responsibilities, and in this instance it is a moral responsibility of the physically strongest not to use his strength against the weakest... especially when this use of violence is absolutely inappropriate. Refuji is right, abuse of power is cowardice.

[Shookone88]

I like how the video has 9,716 likes, and 715 dislikes

[mikey3000]

I hate when someone uses a quotation.
And I think the guy was quite competent with his fists. I loved his reasoning

Ditto! She got exactly what she deserved. Equal rights work both ways girls. If you provoke you get a good smack down. She got treated like the street dog she is.

[Coward92]

Yeah, I think this is the point where it is useless to argue about this any longer. We all seem to have our own opinion about the matter. I do not agree to pointless violence, but in this given case it seemed understandable for me. I can totally understand the guy and I am really sorry for him.

I hope the chick learns the lesson and treats others with respect in the future.

I'm not saying that she was the only one at fault there, because sure, the guy could have just tolerated all that crap, but it was the woman who prompted the whole event. If she didn't go all "fuck you nigga, I do whatever i want nigga" this would have never happened in the first place.

So yes, I condemn the woman completely, and while I realize that it was not right to hit her, I also feel and think that she deserved what she got.

[pat grimshaw]

...If she didn't go all "fuck you nigga, I do whatever i want nigga" ....

This woman must have personal issues.

[blackbeltninja]

People would learn that the complete lack of respect for another individual has dire consequences. You can't expect everyone to react politely to such behaviour.

Agreed. You just never know how the other person might react.

-d-

[sixthson]

It seems to me there are more and more angry people in the world. What they are angry about only God knows, but they tend to take it out on innocent people. It's what road rage is all about.
This really has nothing to do with a man hitting a woman. She was an aggressor and got aggression in return. She invited it.
He should have stopped at his threat to have her sent to jail and done just that by charging her with assault, however.

[thatgirl]

Equal rights don't necessarily mean equal treatment... where did you get that idea from?.

Shhhh with your logic. You may have been under the impression that gender equality was about valuing women and men equally as human beings and enabling women to have access to basic human rights like their male counterparts in society but you were mistaken. It is apparently about completely disregarding basic physiological differences that on average make men physically stronger than women; this way we can totally not hold men accountable for excessive use of force in situations that warrant such a criticism (like in this case). Haha, women! That's what you get for having the audacity to want to be valued! Bet you wish you hadn't been so uppity, now! lolerz

Honestly, the gender aspect aside, it's pretty simple: take peoples' physical limitations in to account when you are defending yourself and show some restraint if the situation calls for it. Just like people are expected to take into account other factors like whether or not the individual is armed, etc when they're assessing these types of scenarios. Legally, even something like a person's level of fighting skill can come into play as in court cases involving professionally trained boxers or martial artists who engage in violent confrontations-- their skill is taken into account when evaluating the level of force they used if they claim self-defense.

[mikey3000]

But his level of force was equal to hers. And he had the responsibility of his passengers safety too. I stand by him. He was justified.

Should equal rights mean special treatment?

[blackbeltninja]

Here, I'll fix this for you.

Honestly, the gender aspect aside, it's pretty simple: take peoples' physical limitations in to account when you are defending yourself and show some restraint if the situation calls for it. Don't pick a physical fight with someone bigger and stronger than you.

There, done.

-d-

[thatgirl]

Here, I'll fix this for you.

*

Don't pick a physical fight with someone bigger and stronger than you.

There, done.

-d-

That's a great suggestion and all -- and anyone with common sense can see the logic behind that -- but that's beside the point. We're discussing excessive use of force when it comes to self-defense, not the criteria for determining who one should or shouldn't pick a fight with.

Ideally, people should avoid behaving violently towards each other. Ideally, people who have to resort to violence would only engage in fights with those who are similar in physical strength. But, obviously, that is not always the case. When something like this Uppercut Situation goes down, the importance of showing some restraint (when there is an obvious difference in strength) becomes evident. Now, this dude's ass is suspended and the tables have turned on him. He quickly went from victim to victimizer with people on the bus rushing to protect the aggressor and, furthermore, the authorities obviously aren't fully buying the self-defense explanation to give him a pass on the amount of force he used.

[willsboy84]

Didn't watch the video, so I guess I can't really give my 2 cents on who's more at fault, but after losing my aunt/2nd mom to domestic violence this year, I have a hard time understanding any justification for a man putting his hands on a woman.

[Coward92]

Didn't watch the video, so I guess I can't really give my 2 cents on who's more at fault, but after losing my aunt/2nd mom to domestic violence this year, I have a hard time understanding any justification for a man putting his hands on a woman.

Then it really is time for you to watch the video.

[MissAnne]

Didn't watch the video, so I guess I can't really give my 2 cents on who's more at fault, but after losing my aunt/2nd mom to domestic violence this year, I have a hard time understanding any justification for a man putting his hands on a woman.

Im sorry for your loss.

I too can't justify it. I would never put my hands on a man, because I know that a lot of men weren't raised w/ that 'dont hit a girl' mentality. Every man has the right to protect himself, but once it becomes excessive its really hard to make excuses for him. He could have killed that woman, his life was not in danger, but apparently people can still watch the video and say that she deserved it. I would be ashamed and disgusted if that was my father.

BUT......That's what we get for wanting equal rights....

[Kien]

thatgirl, would your stance on the on the driver's use of excessive force due to differences in physiology between the man and the wom--i mean girl...be the same if she were to be replaced by a guy who was at a physiological disadvantage?

Say this guy was a skinny guy, over 18, doing the same thing and saying the same stuff as the girl in the video. Little to zero fights in the past, etc. Would you still claim that the driver used excessive force because their differences in physiology?

Perhaps you might still have the same stance, but I would assume you wouldn't be as strong about it(correct me if I'm wrong). I think the bus driver would have gotten much less crap and attention had the "victim" been a male(HE'S A MALE! HE'S A MALE!! HE'S A MALE!!!!) despite any degree of physiological advantages/disadvantages.

[mikey3000]

Thatgirl, I have lived for many years with an extremely violent woman, my sister. She would/does purposfully provoke individuals into physical altercations, many complete strangers, to vent her rage. She is very much like the woman (not girl, not a child, a fully grown woman) in the video and has suffered many a beating. The only way to stop her assaults is to practically knock her unconscious. And I have done that when witnessing her abusing her two year old son. Even as recently as this past mothers day she punched her now 6 y/o son in the mouth for ordering a coke in a restaurant. You see, some people are just born evil. Psychiactric councelling has not helped my sister and she continues violate family and strangers alike, just like I'm sure the woman in the video does. I bet that wasn't the first, nor the last beatting that woman gets, but I do hope she gets the help she needs. Until then, everyone has the right to protect themselves from physical and verbal abuse of any sort.

[refujiunderground]

Thatgirl, I have lived for many years with an extremely violent woman, my sister. She would/does purposfully provoke individuals into physical altercations, many complete strangers, to vent her rage. She is very much like the woman (not girl, not a child, a fully grown woman) in the video and has suffered many a beating. The only way to stop her assaults is to practically knock her unconscious. And I have done that when witnessing her abusing her two year old son. Even as recently as this past mothers day she punched her now 6 y/o son in the mouth for ordering a coke in a restaurant. You see, some people are just born evil. Psychiactric councelling has not helped my sister and she continues violate family and strangers alike, just like I'm sure the woman in the video does. I bet that wasn't the first, nor the last beatting that woman gets, but I do hope she gets the help she needs. Until then, everyone has the right to protect themselves from physical and verbal abuse of any sort.

well, your sister is a different case. she's a violent sociopath. did anybody call the cops on her for punching her son in the face in the restaurant?

[mikey3000]

well, your sister is a different case. she's a violent sociopath. did anybody call the cops on her for punching her son in the face in the restaurant?

Sadly she is not that different than most violent people. Yes, she is a sociopath and there are thousands walking around our society everywhere. The older people at the next table showed their disgust at her behaviour, but she snarled at them to fuck off and mind their own business. They were smart to shut up. WE watched all this from a table accross the isle.

[refujiunderground]

Sadly she is not that different than most violent people. Yes, she is a sociopath and there are thousands walking around our society everywhere. The older people at the next table showed their disgust at her behaviour, but she snarled at them to fuck off and mind their own business. They were smart to shut up. WE watched all this from a table accross the isle.

wow. i feel sorry for her son. just hope that her son doesn't come out to be just as fucked up as her even though there's a good chance he could.

you are right there being thousands of people outthere like that. there's really nothing you can do but to stay the hell away from them. it's even harder to stay away from them when they're in your family or worst yet, they're your parent.

well, i think the clip of that video with dude giving ole girl that mortal kombat uppercut could be used as a cleveland tourism ad. "fun times in cleveland again"

well... i guess cleveland really is that fucked up. funny how the bus driver "old artie" comes from east cleveland and it seems like there are a lot of tough guys from east cleveland like bone thugs n harmony. it seems like damn near all the cities in the midwest are fucking dumps. kind of makes me proud to be in the east coast. i guess new jersey isn't THAT bad.

[blackbeltninja]

Say this guy was a skinny guy, over 18, doing the same thing and saying the same stuff as the girl in the video. Little to zero fights in the past, etc. Would you still claim that the driver used excessive force because their differences in physiology?

An aside: having watched the vid, the uppercut didn't seem "excessive" - I mean, from a combat perspective, I've seen people hit much harder - I think it was just an extremely well-placed strike which took her (and most of us) by surprise and probably looks much worse than it was, like when you see a boxer land a shot in just the right place to knock his opponent out WITHOUT using massive amounts of power.

The choking was another story, though.

-d-

[thatgirl]

Thatgirl, I have lived for many years with an extremely violent woman, my sister. She would/does purposfully provoke individuals into physical altercations, many complete strangers, to vent her rage. She is very much like the woman (not girl, not a child, a fully grown woman) in the video and has suffered many a beating. The only way to stop her assaults is to practically knock her unconscious.

If she is as dangerous as she sounds, it's better to do your best to remove yourself and others from the situation (if that requires restraining her or using some force, so be it) and to call the police-- let them deal with her, it's safer for everyone involved. Knocking her unconscious as a means to prevent further attacks is risky and can lead you to more trouble.

Anyway, that is unfortunate to hear, your sister seems like she needs serious help. It's sad to see people lashing out so violently, usually they hurt others because they're hurting in someway themselves and don't have the emotional maturity to express themselves so they resort this sort of behavior.

thatgirl, would your stance on the on the driver's use of excessive force due to differences in physiology between the man and the wom--i mean girl...be the same if she were to be replaced by a guy who was at a physiological disadvantage?

Say this guy was a skinny guy, over 18, doing the same thing and saying the same stuff as the girl in the video. Little to zero fights in the past, etc. Would you still claim that the driver used excessive force because their differences in physiology?

Yes, I would. I've already said as much previously in this thread. Still, a skinny 18yr old male can do more damage than the skinny woman in the video so I'd take that into account if we're doing a direct comparison.

And if it were a large, strong woman attacking a very small/frail man, I'd feel the same. Or if it were a woman of any size trying to assault a man with a weapon/object of some sort thereby putting a man's life in immediate danger, I'd feel that an uppercut (and maybe more) was warranted.

Like I said, it's not specifically about gender but it is a factor in this incident because it involves a physically imposing man going all out on a small women that he could have very easily restrained in order to protect himself. On average, men are physically stronger than women (who generally have about 40-60% of a man's upper body strength and 70% of a man's lower body strength), so it's pertinent to the discussion. It's something we have to consider.

An aside: having watched the vid, the uppercut didn't seem "excessive" - I mean, from a combat perspective, I've seen people hit much harder - I think it was just an extremely well-placed strike which took her (and most of us) by surprise and probably looks much worse than it was, like when you see a boxer land a shot in just the right place to knock his opponent out WITHOUT using massive amounts of power.

The choking was another story, though.

-d-

Going by the story, his life wasn't in danger, she grabbed his neck for a second to hold him in place so she could quickly spit on him, then she let go and stepped aside. I'm not trying to excuse her behavior but the uppercut was more life threatening than whatever she did to him. His reaction was not impulsive, either, because at least that would have been more understandable if he reflexively just hit her right when she grabbed at him. Instead, he paused (entirely unharmed, btw), then calming sauntered on over to her.

[mikey3000]

If she is as dangerous as she sounds, it's better to do your best to remove yourself and others from the situation (if that requires restraining her or using some force, so be it) and to call the police-- let them deal with her, it's safer for everyone involved. Knocking her unconscious as a means to prevent further attacks is risky and can lead you to more trouble.

Anyway, that is unfortunate to hear, your sister seems like she needs serious help. It's sad to see people lashing out so violently, usually they hurt others because they're hurting in someway themselves and don't have the emotional maturity to express themselves so they resort this sort of behavior.



Yes, I would. I've already said as much previously in this thread. Still, a skinny 18yr old male can do more damage than the skinny woman in the video so I'd take that into account if we're doing a direct comparison.

And if it were a a large, strong woman attacking a very small/frail man, I'd feel the same. Or if it were a woman of any size trying to assault a man with a weapon/object of some sort thereby putting a man's life in immediate danger, I'd feel that an uppercut (and maybe more) was warranted.

Like I said, it's not specifically about gender but it is a factor in this incident because it involves a physically imposing man going all out on a small women that he could have very easily restrained in order to protect himself. On average, men are physically stronger than women (who generally have about 40-60% of a man's upper body strength and 70% of a man's lower body strength), so it's pertinent to the discussion. It's something we have to consider.



Going by the story, his life wasn't in danger, she grabbed his neck for a second to hold him in place so she could quickly spit on him, then she let go and stepped aside. I'm not trying to excuse her behavior but the uppercut was more life threatening than whatever she did to him. His reaction was not impulsive, either, because at least that would have been more understandable if he reflexively just hit her right when she grabbed at him. Instead, he paused (entirely unharmed, btw), then calming sauntered on over to her.

Actually physiologically, inch for inch and pound for pound, the female body is stronger than the male, but that is besides the point.
If that woman attacking the bus driver had a communicable disease such as HIV, is that not considered "more" life threatening than a punch in the mouth? In Canada it is and people have been successfully prosecuted for doing just that.

(I love that gif)

[pat grimshaw]

……she grabbed his neck for a second to hold him in place so she could quickly spit on him…

ThatGirl, I suggest you hire yourself out as a laywer or a politician when you get tired of Just Us Boys.

[thatgirl]

Actually physiologically, inch for inch and pound for pound, the female body is stronger than the male, but that is besides the point.

How do you mean?

Men, on average, are physically stronger than women because they have more muscle mass mass in proportion to their body weight due to higher levels of testosterone. It's a biological fact. I'm not claiming to be a biology expert, but this is pretty rudimentary knowledge and it's kind of futile to argue about this...We're talking about overall physical strength.

If that woman attacking the bus driver had a communicable disease such as HIV, is that not considered "more" life threatening than a punch in the mouth? In Canada it is and people have been successfully prosecuted for doing just that.

Yes, spitting can be viewed/reported as an assault. But, arguing that it is life-threatening is not exactly an easy feat. It's more of an exception than the rule. The risk of spreading serious diseases (like hepatitis and other blood-borne diseases) via saliva is incredibly low. Besides, transmitting AIDS/HIV through saliva is next to impossible, isn't it? Very bloody, contaminated saliva would have to enter directly into your bloodstream somehow. Basically, it's nowhere near as risky as a direct and intense blow to the head.

(I love that gif)

lol, I didn't make it.

It's crazy tho.

ThatGirl, I suggest you hire yourself out as a laywer or a politician when you get tired of Just Us Boys.

LMAO, pat. I'm just sayin.

I'm going by what the article said and the duration of this "choking" as it is seen in the video. It's like a blink-and-you'll miss type of thing-- she clearly meant to hold him in place to spit on him. No use in pretending like she had him in this deadly choke hold. *shrug*

Like I said, I'm not excusing her behavior but it pales in comparison to the uppercut. And it seems that his employers agree since he's been suspended.

Anyway, neither of them are going to press charges, so it's done with. It seems like they both know they were in the wrong for having escalated the situation and they want to move on with their lives. *shrug*

[Coward92]

How do you mean?

Men, on average, are physically stronger than women because they have more muscle mass mass in proportion to their body weight due to higher levels of testosterone. It's a biological fact. I'm not claiming to be a biology expert, but this is pretty rudimentary knowledge and it's kind of futile to argue about this...We're talking about overall physical strength.

I think he meant constitution. Men are physically stronger, because their hormones promote muscle growth, but they take pain and suffering much harder than women do. Men catch diseases more easily, and their immune-system is a tad little weaker.

Women withstand a much greater amount of trauma and pain than men do, and they also have an overall better degree of natural stamina because of hormones.

Females are not naturally weaker than men, they can achieve the same physical and martial prowess, but it takes them a bit more time, because they lack the amount of testosterone that a man has. On average a women is weaker than a men, because women usually do not tend to build muscle intentionally, but on the other hand, they are more fit than the average male.

[thatgirl]

I think he meant constitution. Men are physically stronger, because their hormones promote muscle growth, but they take pain and suffering much harder than women do. Men catch diseases more easily, and their immune-system is a tad little weaker.

Women withstand a much greater amount of trauma and pain than men do, and they also have an overall better degree of natural stamina because of hormones.

Females are not naturally weaker than men, they can achieve the same physical and martial prowess, but it takes them a bit more time, because they lack the amount of testosterone that a man has. On average a women is weaker than a men, because women usually do not tend to build muscle intentionally, but on the other hand, they are more fit than the average male.

Ah, I see. Thanks. I thought he was referring to overall physical strength.

Yes, I've heard studies, in the news, about women having stronger immune systems and higher pain thresholds. It's pretty interesting.

[Harke the Boeotarch]

I can't tell you how relieved I am it was they who got in this embarrassing situation and not I, for a change.

[mikey3000]

I can't tell you how relieved I am it was they who got in this embarrassing situation and not I, for a change.

I hear ya bro. The last time I saw a chick fight was on a public bus. This crazy senior lady slapped my sister and my sister went all apeshit on her. LOL! It was all over before the bus driver was able to pull over, but none the less, it was pretty intense (and embarassing).

[blackbeltninja]

Going by the story, his life wasn't in danger, she grabbed his neck for a second to hold him in place so she could quickly spit on him, then she let go and stepped aside.

Gosh, I clearly wasn't paying as much attention as I thought I was - I was under the impression that he tried to choke her after the hit.

-d-

[Coward92]

Ah, I see. Thanks. I thought he was referring to overall physical strength.

Yes, I've heard studies, in the news, about women having stronger immune systems and higher pain thresholds. It's pretty interesting.

It was evolutionary advantageous, especially concerning the offsprings. A healthy mother gives birth to healthy children and they need to withstand a lot more pain, while nurturing their young. Giving birth is also a painful procedure. Plus, the mentruation cycle keeps the female immune system aware.

[-Kane-]

That ignorant beast got what the fuck she deserved. And the majority of people in online communities agrees with that opinion.
If a woman lays her hands on me, the bitch will get knocked out...Nuff said.

[alister]

She's on Facebook bragging about how well she took the punch, and how it didn't even hurt. Shows how smart she is, seeing how she's hired a lawyer to sue him and the transit company.

Disclaimer: this is information from a local Cleveland radio station. I haven't seen the FB page or heard of a pending lawsuit

[mikey3000]

Nice. She'll end up a millionaire, have a book deal and maybe even a talk show.

[USEDCAR]

I don't blame that bus driver she should of kept her mouth shut and her hands to her self. You don't know someone and if your going to provoke them i don't blame them. I hit a girl before in High School she hit me first and i hit her back i can't see my self sitting there getting beat up by a women and im suppose to sit there and look stupid.

[lolalola70]

if you watch her follow up interview she says if she finds herself in such a situation again she will remove herself from it and not escalate it.
so i would say he literally knocked some sense in to her

[dangerguy]

Didn't watch the video, so I guess I can't really give my 2 cents on who's more at fault, but after losing my aunt/2nd mom to domestic violence this year, I have a hard time understanding any justification for a man putting his hands on a woman.

I see this as an 'issue' of sorts, in perception of these situations. Domestic violence is completely inexcusable and it's horrible that a relative of yours had to suffer it in such a way, but I do think that the fact a lot of people equate any violence against a woman to domestic violence is wrong. I'm not specifically talking about this video, but in other general situations, a man has every right to defend himself if being physically attacked, whether the agressor is male or female, or if a man has to use physical force to perhaps protect someone from an agressor (again, be they male or female).

I just feel like a lot has changed in the world. There are some mean, nasty and violent individuals out there, and not all of them are men. One of my friends from high school was once beaten up by a gang of girls and he allowed it to happen. Why? Because they were girls. In my eyes, that is utter nonsense.

[pat grimshaw]

... domestic violence....

A man, older than me, said 'domestic violence didn't exist 30 years ago'.

I said 'What?'

He said 'Well. That word didn't exist. There were nagging husbands and nagging wives.'

I said 'Oh, OK'.

He said 'There was much less of it happening. You didn't hear about it much. The police wouldn't think to spend so much of their day patrolling for domestic violence.