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    Question to you guys about suicide

    First of all, please don't misunderstand me or flame. I've lost my best friend to suicide.

    Do you consider having suicidal thoughts as a mental disorder? Do you think it's genetically disposed? As in, do you think it could be passed down from generation to generation?

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    I've lost my best friend to suicide.
    I am sorry to hear that, mate.

    Do you consider having suicidal thoughts as a mental disorder? Do you think it's genetically disposed? As in, do you think it could be passed down from generation to generation?
    No, having suicidal thoughts is not a mental disorder. It is not genetically disposed. People can be genetically disposed to depression, but they cannot be genetically disposed to suicide.

    Ultimately, it really has to do with how confident the guy/girl is; for lack of a better word, how well she/he is able to control his/her environment, that decides the likelihood that she/he will commit suicide.

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    Re: Question to you guys about suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by animalius View Post
    First of all, please don't misunderstand me or flame. I've lost my best friend to suicide.

    Do you consider having suicidal thoughts as a mental disorder? Do you think it's genetically disposed? As in, do you think it could be passed down from generation to generation?
    my condolescences for your loss first off.

    and yes to everything you put. if someone is thinking about harming themselves or others, they are not in their right mind.
    one thing about the closet/you don't have to hurry/it will be bad tomorrow/so brother, don't you worry

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    Re: Question to you guys about suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by CottonBolus View Post
    People can be genetically disposed to depression, but they cannot be genetically disposed to suicide.
    This.

    Sadly, for many people, death seems the better alternative to dealing with life, but some are too afraid to die. Others are too afraid to live. Your friend was one of the latter.

    Don't blame your friend, and don't try to figure out 'why'. You can spend the rest of your life doing that.

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    How sad for him and all knew and loved him. I'm sorry for your loss. I don't know if there are statistics relating suicide rates in families where a suicide has already occurred, but the likelihood of depression running in families seems real. Whether or not a suicide is a seed planter for others in the family may have already been studied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    This.

    Sadly, for many people, death seems the better alternative to dealing with life, but some are too afraid to die. Others are too afraid to live. Your friend was one of the latter.

    Don't blame your friend, and don't try to figure out 'why'. You can spend the rest of your life doing that.
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    Re: Question to you guys about suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by animalius View Post
    First of all, please don't misunderstand me or flame. I've lost my best friend to suicide.
    I'm sorry for your loss, and the many thoughts and emotions that you may be going through.

    Do you consider having suicidal thoughts as a mental disorder? Do you think it's genetically disposed? As in, do you think it could be passed down from generation to generation?
    Yes, the depression that leads to suicidal thoughts is a mental disorder - a chemical imbalance in the brain that can, in most cases, be addressed. I think research has been done that suggests that some people have a predisposition to depression due to a gene, but this hasn't been proven (to my knowledge), so there may be a chance that if 'Aunt Cynthia' suffered from depression that you might too. That said, some people are simply better able to cope with stressful situations than others.

    As far as you being likely to commit suicide because 'Aunt Cynthia' did, then I very much doubt it. Committing suicide is the result of a thought process, it doesn't just happen. In the case of depression, it's the thought process that is flawed/irrational due to the mental illness progressing to such an extreme level.

    I have had several bouts of severe depression. During one of these bouts I self-harmed and was suicidal. I'm currently in another bout (albeit mild), but on medication - and I have had no thoughts of self-harm or suicide on this occasion. If suicidal thoughts were part of my genes then I would imagine I'd have these thoughts every time I was depressed.

    Your friend will have had (what to them seemed like) insurmountable issues, that led to this tragic event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by animalius View Post
    First of all, please don't misunderstand me or flame. I've lost my best friend to suicide.

    Do you consider having suicidal thoughts as a mental disorder? Do you think it's genetically disposed? As in, do you think it could be passed down from generation to generation?
    Indeed, I do, Animalius. Indeed I do.

    I have depression running on my maternal side of the family. Almost anybody who has the "Jenson" blood either has dysthemia, bipolar disorder, or full-blown depression. In our case, it's fully genetic.

    I know it's perfectly normal to feel angry at your friend, Animalius. That's a normal part of the grieving process.

    But please remember that he couldn't help it. The brain is an organ, and it can get sick just like any other organ. When a pancreas gets sick, the patient gets diabetes; when the brain gets sick, it often develops depression.

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    So very sorry about your loss.

    Whatever you want to call it,genetics,mental disorder,illness etc...etc... suicide is always on my mind.
    I have 6 strikes against me that make life worthless :I'm old,ugly,sick,poor,lonely and gay.
    Living takes a lot of more effort and it's more painful.Shame and guilt have been always overpowering and brutal.
    I just need to find the quick painless and messy less way to do it.
    Quality of life before quantity .

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    Re: Question to you guys about suicide

    Not trying to play mod but to avoid nonsense posts (and there are several already) should this be moved to the health forum? This is a serious topic...
    But my two cents here, I would not say it's a mental disorder (not in the medical sense) if it is limited to thoughts. However, if it turns to action, then that may be different particularly where society becomes involved. As for genetic unsure about that though if you dig in the clinical research you may find some patterns or data in support of that.

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    Re: Question to you guys about suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by animalius View Post
    First of all, please don't misunderstand me or flame. I've lost my best friend to suicide.

    Do you consider having suicidal thoughts as a mental disorder? Do you think it's genetically disposed? As in, do you think it could be passed down from generation to generation?
    I'm so sorry to hear about your friend. As others have said, suicide per se is not a genetic predisposition, but depression, which can lead to suicide, is.

    But, suicidal thoughts are not necessarily a symptom of a mental disease or disorder. I can envision circumstances (terminal illness with intractable pain or complete mental or physical incapacitation) where suicide can be a logical and rational option.

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    Re: Question to you guys about suicide

    Sorry to hear about the loss of your friend.

    I don't think you have to be mentally ill to commit suicide. Nor do I think you have to be depressed. You just have to be overwhelmed with a particular situation, and see no other way out. This can occur on the spur of the moment. People have jumped out of windows after loosing all their money, as in the 1929 financial crash. People have committed suicide after being exposed as gay, or been caught cheating on a spouse, or being proven the perpetrator of a crime. No premeditation is required.

    A number of people in this area have committed suicide in recent years. Some of them were know by all the people I work with. We had a discussion about this at work one day. Some of them said you have to be crazy to kill yourself. I said, no you don't, you just have to be sick and tired, of being sick and tired. You just have to be overwhelmed, and see no help, or other way out. Personally, I see suicide as a viable solution.

    One of those who committed suicide had been in a bad wreck, and had endured years of pain, and medical problems. They finally got enough of it. Another committed suicide after being told they would have to have another leg amputated due to loss of blood flow. They had already had one amputated a couple of years ago. They decided that was enough. I had an uncle commit suicide after suffering terrible pain from terminal bone cancer for months. Things aren't nearly so clear cut as most people want to portray them. Everyone has a different situation, and feels/views life differently...

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    Animalius,
    Im sorry to hear about your friend.

    In general, I think people who want to die, kill themselves. I think people who want help, 'attempt' suicide.

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    So sorry for your loss. Recently, I've been affected by a couple of suicides that have hit pretty close to home. It is truly shocking.

    One thing there is no denying is the connection of anti-depressants and the increase in suicides. Suicide is a major side effect of anti-depressants, especially young people. How ironic, eh?
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    Bipolar disorder and depression can both be inherited. Bipolar people are more likely to commit suicide than any other group with a mental illness. Being suicidal is not inherited but certain mental conditions which increase the risk are inherited. Being bipolar, I find that the loss of hope is what brings about the internal dialogue that eventually ends in suicide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post
    So sorry for your loss. Recently, I've been affected by a couple of suicides that have hit pretty close to home. It is truly shocking.

    One thing there is no denying is the connection of anti-depressants and the increase in suicides. Suicide is a major side effect of anti-depressants, especially young people. How ironic, eh?
    There are medications that can make people have suicidal thoughts. When these medications are used, any responsible doctor would monitor the person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post

    One thing there is no denying is the connection of anti-depressants and the increase in suicides. Suicide is a major side effect of anti-depressants, especially young people. How ironic, eh?
    I cannot speak for statistics elsewhere, but here in the US, suicide rates have actually decreased in the last couple of decades.

    The researchers believe this drop in suicides is due to the advent of SSRIs. I kid you not.

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    Re: Question to you guys about suicide

    Hello. Sorry for your loss.

    I'm not sure anyone can be definitive about this subject. I think it is very dependent on each individual. Nonetheless I think there may be a genetic predisposition for depression or mental illness of this kind. And depression is surely a possible explanation for suicide, but not the only one as others have written.

    To understand this act, one would need to be in the mind of the suicided and it's impossible. Don't torture yourself with this thought. Death is the absolute certainty in this world, and I'm not sure dwelling on it has a useful purpose. I had a girl friend who was deeply suicidal and depressed, and I tried to talk to her, cheer her up, but her darkness was too much, and I was helpless. She attempted suicidal some months later, but I haven't reproach myself much because I knew it was an illness and friendly words or actions were doomed to be inadequate.

    Time mends most wounds, I hope you will be better soon.
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    Well, my best friend and I went into the academy together and came out as state troopers together. A couple years later I quit to start my own business while he stayed in. You know how they say cops have the highest rate of suicides among all the professions? My friend became part of that statistics.

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    Louis, let me tell you about another guy.

    He was old.
    He was sick.
    He wasn't too handsome.

    But he picked up a broken nation....and set it on its feet.
    Almost singlehandedly, he saved us from totalitarianism.

    And he did it from a wheelchair. Who?

    My idol, FDR

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    Monsieur, there's no reason you can't be happy, even if you feel old, feel sick, or don't feel handsome. You are suffering from clinical depression. Did you know that depression is quite treatable?

    You deserve some happiness in life. I understand you may not have much time left; since I'm 50 myself, I understand the feeling that life is growing shorter.

    But even one year of happiness is worth trying for. "Old" and "sick"people can still enjoy life.

    Please see your doctor.

    Quote Originally Posted by louis phillippe View Post
    So very sorry about your loss.

    Whatever you want to call it,genetics,mental disorder,illness etc...etc... suicide is always on my mind.
    I have 6 strikes against me that make life worthless :I'm old,ugly,sick,poor,lonely and gay.
    Living takes a lot of more effort and it's more painful.Shame and guilt have been always overpowering and brutal.
    I just need to find the quick painless and messy less way to do it.
    Quality of life before quantity .

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    I cannot speak for statistics elsewhere, but here in the US, suicide rates have actually decreased in the last couple of decades.

    The researchers believe this drop in suicides is due to the advent of SSRIs. I kid you not.
    Really?

    "Suicide Rates Highest In 15 Years

    Between 2008 and 2009, the suicide rate in the United States rose by 2.4%, with a reported 36,909 suicide deaths, according to a report by the CDC. In 2008, 13.4% of individuals who committed suicide experienced job and financial problems, a report by the CDC revealed in August 2011. Furthermore, the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline, an emergency crisis hotline, revealed that the volume of calls they received between 2010 and 2011 increased by 14%."

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/241911.php

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    ^I see, Mike.

    I think it's possible we're both right, though. The statistics I read focused on suicides over a period of decades.
    Your statistics relate to a much shorter time frame, I believe the exigencies of the recession may be to blame.

    In the end, however, our disagreement matters little. I trust that you'll agree that the only important thing is to help these individuals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by animalius View Post
    First of all, please don't misunderstand me or flame. I've lost my best friend to suicide.

    Do you consider having suicidal thoughts as a mental disorder? Do you think it's genetically disposed? As in, do you think it could be passed down from generation to generation?
    Yes there are risk groups and I think it has much to do with historical trauma. So in essence, this trauma is imprinted and the trauma essentially becomes a part of your genetic makeup.

    If you are worried about becoming suicidal at some point in your life make changes now.

    If you cannot believe you would ever feel suicidal, nobody really does.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    ^I see, Mike.

    I think it's possible we're both right, though. The statistics I read focused on suicides over a period of decades.
    Your statistics relate to a much shorter time frame, I believe the exigencies of the recession may be to blame.

    In the end, however, our disagreement matters little. I trust that you'll agree that the only important thing is to help these individuals.
    Absolutely. Suicide is the heart ache that keeps on giving. My great grandfather committed suicide a century ago and it is still talked about today.

    I know about the side effects of anti-depressants because two people close to us suicided themselves shortly after starting the drugs. Even my doctor advised against me going on SSRIs because of my fragile state.
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    My grandad committed suicide by jumping in front of a train. And although it was before i was born, I still have anger towards him. I can't help thinking how different my life could have been, same for my father and beloved nan. I can't imagine the pain they felt for all those years after his death.

    I think suicide is selfish. Everybody has someone who loves them. It hurts everyone when you leave them, It's a completely selfish act, the person who leaves doesn't have to deal with the pain, It's those that are left behind that do. It's intentionally hurting the people you love.

    But i understand depression, I've been there many times.. i feel my fear of death keeps me firmly grounded in reality. I don't want to die. Suicide may be selfish but it's also very brave. To kill yourself? I can't even.

    To answer your question, no. I believe life just sucks and some people can't handle it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post
    Absolutely. Suicide is the heart ache that keeps on giving. My great grandfather committed suicide a century ago and it is still talked about today.

    I know about the side effects of anti-depressants because two people close to us suicided themselves shortly after starting the drugs. Even my doctor advised against me going on SSRIs because of my fragile state.
    I see, Mike.

    I hadn't known until now that you yourself suffered from depression. I lost my best friend to depression in 1993, so if there's anything I can do to help someone think it through, I will.

    Mike, did you noticed the thread on Depression we did a couple of weeks ago? There may be non-drug therapies that you might want to try. I sincerely believe that environmental factors might either help or even cure depression.

    Do you know if your depression is simple depression or bipolar?

    Anyway, you may find the thread worth a read. There's some vigourous discussion in there about various ways to treat depression:

    http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thre...d-pain-to-stop

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLyingGame View Post

    I think suicide is selfish. Everybody has someone who loves them. It hurts everyone when you leave them, It's a completely selfish act, the person who leaves doesn't have to deal with the pain, It's those that are left behind that do. It's intentionally hurting the people you love.
    LyingGame, I can understand your anger towards your grandfather, but it must be known that he wasn't in his right mind. He was ill, mon ami. He didn't have the capacity to make a rational decision.

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