JustUsBoys.com gay porn forum

logo

Results 1 to 10 of 10
  1. #1
    auribus teneo lupum Stardreamer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Over the Hedge and Under the Hill
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Bisexual
    Status
    Married
    Posts
    3,361

    Code of Conduct

    GOP moving away from opposition to Gay Rights?

    I have observed before that the Republicans are keeping the social conservative issues in this election at arms length hoping to focus on the economy. They are still willing to rally around the wedge issues like abortion and religious freedom when they come up. But there is one traditional wedge issue that they are not rallying around and even avoiding and that is Gay Rights, particularly Gay Marriage. They still say the words when they need to satisfy the base but they are quick to change the subject. Why, because it is no longer a vote getter, in fact it is becoming a vote loser. When it comes down to it the Party is not going to go down with the Religious Conservatives/Traditional Marriage boat as it becomes more and more obvious that they are losing the American People on the subject. They are already realizing that the issue is no longer the winner that it was and it is only a matter of time before they start losing votes on Gay Marriage bans. When that happens watch the anti-gay right go under the bus.

    Andrew Sullivan at the Daily Beast in May revealed a memorandum from a respected Republican pollster to the Republican leadership that Sullivan sums up as this:
    if the GOP keeps up its current rhetoric and positions on gays and lesbians, it is in danger of marginalizing itself to irrelevance or worse.
    The text of the memo:
    In view of this week’s news on the same sex marriage issue, here is a summary of recent survey findings on same sex marriage:


    1. Support for same sex marriage has been growing and in the last few years support has grown at an accelerated rate with no sign of slowing down. A review of public polling shows that up to 2009 support for gay marriage increased at a rate of 1% a year. Starting in 2010 the change in the level of support accelerated to 5% a year. The most recent public polling shows supporters of gay marriage outnumber opponents by a margin of roughly 10% (for instance: NBC / WSJ poll in February / March: support 49%, oppose 40%).


    2. The increase in support is taking place among all partisan groups. While more Democrats support gay marriage than Republicans, support levels among Republicans are increasing over time. The same is true of age: younger people support same sex marriage more often than older people, but the trends show that all age groups are rethinking their position.


    3. Polling conducted among Republicans show that majorities of Republicans and Republican leaning voters support extending basic legal protections to gays and lesbians. These include majority Republican support for:


    a. Protecting gays and lesbians against being fired for reasons of sexual orientation
    b. Protections against bullying and harassment
    c. Repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell.
    d. Right to visit partners in hospitals
    e. Protecting partners against loss of home in case of severe medical emergencies or death
    f. Legal protection in some form for gay couples whether it be same sex marriage or domestic partnership (only 29% of Republicans oppose legal recognition in any form).


    Recommendation: A statement reflecting recent developments on this issue along the following lines:

    “People who believe in equality under the law as a fundamental principle, as I do, will agree that this principle extends to gay and lesbian couples; gay and lesbian couples should not face discrimination and their relationship should be protected under the law. People who disagree on the fundamental nature of marriage can agree, at the same time, that gays and lesbians should receive essential rights and protections such as hospital visitation, adoption rights, and health and death benefits."


    Other thoughts / Q&A: Follow up to questions about affirmative action:

    “This is not about giving anyone extra protections or privileges, this is about making sure that everyone – regardless of sexual orientation – is provided the same protections against discrimination that you and I enjoy.”


    Why public attitudes might be changing:

    “As more people have become aware of friends and family members who are gay, attitudes have begun to shift at an accelerated pace. This is not about a generational shift in attitudes, this is about people changing their thinking as they recognize their friends and family members who are gay or lesbian.”


    Conservative fundamentals:

    “As people who promote personal responsibility, family values, commitment and stability, and emphasize freedom and limited government we have to recognize that freedom means freedom for everyone. This includes the freedom to decide how you live and to enter into relationships of your choosing, the freedom to live without excessive interference of the regulatory force of government.
    Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule - and both commonly succeed, and are right. H. L. Mencken US editor (1880 - 1956)

  2. #2
    JUB Addict TheFireGod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    I-4 Corridor
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    1,249

    Code of Conduct

    Re: GOP moving away from opposition to Gay Rights?

    As a whole, very slowly.

    IMO, the bad economic situation and the current debt are keeping the Social Conservatives relatively out of the spotlight for now. The various factions of the GOP gain prominence when an issue is of importance. Neocons will be prominent when there's a security or war related issue at the forefront; while Social Conservatives have more of a say when there's nothing bad happening to unite the GOP against (as it was in 2004).

    Either way, arguments from both sides seem idiotic unless they differentiate between Civil Marriage, Sacramental/Religious Marriage, Civil Unions, Domestic Partnerships, Polygamy, and Bestiality.

    To me, there's no point in even establishing a dialogue if a person/group truly believe that: bestiality will be legal and churches will be forced to recognize same-sex unions soon after gays can marry.

  3. #3
    auribus teneo lupum Stardreamer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Over the Hedge and Under the Hill
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Bisexual
    Status
    Married
    Posts
    3,361

    Code of Conduct

    Re: GOP moving away from opposition to Gay Rights?

    Center Right and the Libertarian wing of the Republicans can be brought around to accepting Gay Marriage as a conservative issue. There are a small but growing number of conservative voices that are beginning to move towards that paradigm. Once you accept that homosexuals are being accepted as part of our society and they are NOT going to go back into the closet, the only truly conservative thing to do is accept (reluctantly perhaps) that allowing Gays to marry is a good thing. To do anything else would eventually undermine the already shaky institution of marriage. The reason, families bound together by marriage are the bedrock basis of our society. As homosexuality becomes accepted by society as a whole, denying gay families the right to get married will essentially be justifying and approving of alternative forms of families (civil unions, common law marriage, 'shacking up'). Accepting such families as equal to traditional marriage will do far more harm to marriage and society than allowing gays to marry will do to marriage itself. Even worse, justifying alternative marriage opens the door to polygamy, contract marriage, and all the other other things that conservatives fear. Allowing Gays to enter into monogamous traditional two person marriage allows homosexuals to be treated equally under the law while keeping that door closed.
    Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule - and both commonly succeed, and are right. H. L. Mencken US editor (1880 - 1956)

  4. #4
    GiancarloC
    Guest

    Re: GOP moving away from opposition to Gay Rights?

    I have so many problems with republicans, their opposition to same sex marriage and equality is hardly the only issue... as far as them moving away from opposition... I doubt it. I've heard for years that gay republicans say they are changing the party within... but I see the opposite happening. And Paul Ryan is evidence the GOP is moving away from anti-gay rights.

  5. #5
    auribus teneo lupum Stardreamer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Over the Hedge and Under the Hill
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Bisexual
    Status
    Married
    Posts
    3,361

    Code of Conduct

    Re: GOP moving away from opposition to Gay Rights?

    As the memorandum illustrates, they will eventually HAVE to shift direction or give up any hope of remaining a viable major party. You can't win elections by clinging to positions opposed by the majority of the American people.
    Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule - and both commonly succeed, and are right. H. L. Mencken US editor (1880 - 1956)

  6. #6
    WTF????? refujiunderground's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    10,119
    Blog Entries
    43

    Code of Conduct

    Re: GOP moving away from opposition to Gay Rights?

    at this point, it just looks like an act of desperation to get every vote.
    one thing about the closet/you don't have to hurry/it will be bad tomorrow/so brother, don't you worry

  7. #7
    JUB Addict TheFireGod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    I-4 Corridor
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Gay
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    1,249

    Code of Conduct

    Re: GOP moving away from opposition to Gay Rights?

    I think you're not that informed by calling Civil Unions, Common Law Marriage, and 'shacking up' as being harmful to Traditional Marriage. If you call on the argument of Traditional Marriage (which I see as a religious thing to make babies, therefore more adherents) you're no better than the Social Conservatives.

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    I have so many problems with republicans, their opposition to same sex marriage and equality is hardly the only issue... as far as them moving away from opposition... I doubt it. I've heard for years that gay republicans say they are changing the party within... but I see the opposite happening. And Paul Ryan is evidence the GOP is moving away from anti-gay rights.
    It's far easier to get Democrats to be fiscally conservative than the GOP to be a little bit more socially moderate.

  8. #8
    GiancarloC
    Guest

    Re: GOP moving away from opposition to Gay Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stardreamer View Post
    As the memorandum illustrates, they will eventually HAVE to shift direction or give up any hope of remaining a viable major party. You can't win elections by clinging to positions opposed by the majority of the American people.
    WEll it's my hope the GOP breaks apart... I wouldn't want them in office regardless of their position on same sex rights.

  9. #9
    auribus teneo lupum Stardreamer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Over the Hedge and Under the Hill
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Bisexual
    Status
    Married
    Posts
    3,361

    Code of Conduct

    Re: GOP moving away from opposition to Gay Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheFireGod View Post
    I think you're not that informed by calling Civil Unions, Common Law Marriage, and 'shacking up' as being harmful to Traditional Marriage. If you call on the argument of Traditional Marriage (which I see as a religious thing to make babies, therefore more adherents) you're no better than the Social Conservatives.
    Marriage is social tool that is about far, far more than just making babies. The Traditional Marriage crowd try to narrow the focus to reproduction because it is the ONLY beneficial (to society) aspect of marriage that doesn't apply equally to heterosexuals and homosexuals. But by doing so they themselves, denigrate and demean the institution of marriage essentially saying its all about sex and only sex. Here is a very good book on the subject that covers it quite well:

    Gay Marriage: Why It Is Good for Gays, Good for Straights, and Good for America

    I've read 3 or 4 books on why same sex marriage is a conservative value but this one does the best at explaining it I think. It covers the subject of why providing equal acceptance of alternatives to marriage is a bad idea and why you simply cannot deny the existence of same sex families any longer. Homosexuals have achieved recognition in law, science and society. As the author puts it, homosexuals exist. That a fact that can no longer be ignored so you either have to address the existence of homosexual families or say that marriage doesn't really mean all that much to begin with.
    Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule - and both commonly succeed, and are right. H. L. Mencken US editor (1880 - 1956)

  10. #10
    Bammer's Papa
    Kulindahr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    on the foggy, damp, redneck Oregon coast
    Gender
    Male
    Orientation
    Bisexual
    Status
    Single
    Posts
    104,107
    Blog Entries
    78

    Code of Conduct

    Re: GOP moving away from opposition to Gay Rights?

    With only 29% opposing any rights for gays, they're definitely coming around; I can remember when it was close to two-thirds.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Terms of Service | Privacy Policy | About JustUsBoys.com | Site Map | RSS | Webmasters | Advertise | Link to JUB | Report A Bug on this Page

Visit our sister sites: Broke Straight Boys | CollegeDudes.com | CollegeBoyPhysicals.com | RocketTube
All models appearing on JustUsBoys.com were over 18 at the time of photography. The records for sexually explicit images required by U.S. 2257 are kept by the
individual producers of the images. The location of the records is available by clicking the Custodian of Records link at the bottom of each gallery page.
© 2012 JustUsBoys.com. The JustUsBoys.com name and logo are registered trademarks. Labeled with ICRA and RTA. Member of ASACP and The Free Speech Coalition.