LOL @ this. Oh, and the URL it's on.
LOL @ this. Oh, and the URL it's on.
I thought this was a no flame zone.
Then why are the mirrors reflecting smoke?
Thank you MikeyLove. I was glad to read it.
Faith should mean something sort of like "trust in an uncertain world."
It has come to mean, "belief in spite of evidence."
'Proof of heaven' is a waste of time.
Eyewitness testimony is one of the most unreliable sources of facts. How, then, should we reasonably respond to eyewitness testimony as interpreted by a brain on the verge of death?
It's like a window has opened to "the other side." Is there an outbreak of visitations.
Last edited by palbert; October 12th, 2012 at 07:54 AM.
Has any one read the book.? The scientific response to "Near death experience" has been that it is physiological. A neurosurgeon or neurologist would be the best qualified to analyse the phenomenon. I am sceptical, but would like to see his analysis.
Advanced physicists like Hawking and Einstein have suggested there may be alternative and parallel universes and that in some sense the past, present and future cooexist. These strange theories make experiences such as the doctors more plausible.
Hundreds of thousands claim to have seen ghosts. Could that also be some sort of inter demensional thing?
If your really interested in this you will take effort to listen to these talks like I have and hear different perspectives with open mind. This is how we learn isn't it. We don't START with a conclusion that 'yes it means it is the Christian heaven, or the Muslim heaven' or 'no it is just chemicals in the brain' etc. Just listen to the talks and feel your way into inqury: http://www.btci.org/bioethics/2012/v...2/default.html
The article was sort of silly.
1. We are supposed to give more credence to this man's near death experience because a. he's a doctor and b. because he was a skeptic who now believes.
2. We are supposed to believe that near death experiences are absolute proofs of the existence of heaven, and not hallucinations... again, because a doctor says so.
I notice that they didn't mention anything about the evidence he's collected. That's the only thing I'd be interested in.
I have provided links where you can actually watch and listen to his story. Have you even bothered to check it out?
It would beggar believe to consider the catholic source as unbiased.
Thankfully the story was reported in Newsweek. You can also read the Neurosurgeon's account here:
Then you can read a rebuttal from a scientist who is actually more familiar with the way the brain works:
Everything—absolutely everything—in Alexander’s account rests on repeated assertions that his visions of heaven occurred while his cerebral cortex was “shut down,” “inactivated,” “completely shut down,” “totally offline,” and “stunned to complete inactivity.” The evidence he provides for this claim is not only inadequate—it suggests that he doesn’t know anything about the relevant brain science. Perhaps he has saved a more persuasive account for his book—though now that I’ve listened to an hour-long interview with him online, I very much doubt it. In his Newsweek article, Alexander asserts that the cessation of cortical activity was “clear from the severity and duration of my meningitis, and from the global cortical involvement documented by CT scans and neurological examinations.” To his editors, this presumably sounded like neuroscience.
The problem, however, is that “CT scans and neurological examinations” can’t determine neuronal inactivity—in the cortex or anywhere else. And Alexander makes no reference to functional data that might have been acquired by fMRI, PET, or EEG—nor does he seem to realize that only this sort of evidence could support his case. Obviously, the man’s cortex is functioning now—he has, after all, written a book—so whatever structural damage appeared on CT could not have been “global.”
Last edited by bankside; October 13th, 2012 at 05:26 PM.
Thank you for posting that, bankside.
The neurosurgeon's account didn't move me. I'm glad that someone rebutted it and validated my instincts.
Is the world still flat?
And seeing the earth like that - well as everyone knows, direct observation is the foundation of science! I bet you can see Russia that way too.
Last edited by bankside; October 14th, 2012 at 08:09 AM.
Obviously, a subjective and unverifiable mental experience is proof of nothing, but itself.
The world is full of folk, who think they have experienced some version of heaven or hell or that they are Christ or Napoleon. Most people have experienced vivid and/or near waking dreams or fantasies. Telling other people about them doesn't give them any objective life other than electronic or bio-chemical functions of the brain.
Faith is a gift from God, if one believes in God. It does not require scientific proof and this neurosurgeon's "discovery" has nothing to do with proof.
Strange that what can be such an inspiration to one person can seem such a waste of time and energy to another.
so you don't like the possibility of riding on the back of a butterfly in some mysterious dimension and yet you believe in 'God'....?
lol, I am more used to atheists question NDEs. Or are you a fundy who demands a definite belief in the ordained fate of:
HEAVEN ORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR HELL?
Ludolfo, use that open mind that you counsel us quite rightly to keep.
I always try and nurture an open mind. why don't you think it open because of what i said in last post?
He's claiming scientific observation, apparently, but if he can't assemble at least, say, three other observers who experienced the same thing, with details, it's not scientific at all -- it doesn't even rise to the level of corroborated testimony.
"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "
--Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000
*the number is now forty