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    Lara Logan tells us we're being lied to.

    Lara Logan, a 60 Minutes reporter, recently gave a speech claiming we're being lied to about the war on terrorism. There are no moderate Taliban. The notion of only 50 Al Qaeda being in Afghanistan is false. The very much touted claim about Al Qaeda being on the run is a lie. She is very compelling and the video is about 20 minutes long, but it's worth a look.

    Do you agree that we're being lied to? Let's keep this one on topic, please.

    Last edited by jackoroe; October 11th, 2012 at 06:53 AM.

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    BOs big foreign policy claim is that he killed ben Ladin and the bad guys are mostly defeated-- he doesn't call them terrorists. So we can safely leave in 2014, and reduce our military. That is why the Administration lied about there being a protest in Lybia about the film. Watch as the moderator tonight tries to keep Ryan fron talking about Lybia.

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    Re: Lara Logan tells us we're being lied to.

    So this "reporter" comes with no proof just her solemn word AFTER she was raped during the Egyptian uprising less than a year ago.

    Yeah she is being totally honest and doesn't have a bone to pick. I honestly question the sanity of a human being who would violate muslim practices WHILE armed protesters are in the streets.

    For the record I read her words as I do not have time for her to sound them out.

    I will take the word of the commanders on the ground over Ms Vendetta
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    Re: Lara Logan tells us we're being lied to.

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    So this "reporter" comes with no proof just her solemn word AFTER she was raped during the Egyptian uprising less than a year ago.

    Yeah she is being totally honest and doesn't have a bone to pick. I honestly question the sanity of a human being who would violate muslim practices WHILE armed protesters are in the streets.

    For the record I read her words as I do not have time for her to sound them out.

    I will take the word of the commanders on the ground over Ms Vendetta

    So, the victim of a savage rape doesn't have any credibility. Very thoughtful point.

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    Re: Lara Logan tells us we're being lied to.

    She brings no credible evidence just her word.

    And yes someone raped less than a year ago does have emotional and psychiatric problems. Especially in the manner to which she was brutalized.

    Ah but I thought you were gonna keep it on topic. So far you offer an opinion piece, no evidence and and attack on me to prove your word. Ignorant partisan bullshit.
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    Re: Lara Logan tells us we're being lied to.

    The word of someone who lived in Afghanistan among the Taliban for an extended period of time. That's what's called expertise. As someone who has experienced the violence of radical Islamists, that also qualifies her to speak on the subject.

    As to the commanders on the ground, have they always been accurate? Did the tell us the truth in Viet Nam? Or did they mouth the talking points of the politicians? How'd that turn out for us?

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    Re: Lara Logan tells us we're being lied to.

    Well duh.

    So she's more qualified than anyone else on the ground in Afghanistan to speak on everything?

    Sure.

    Here's the thing though. Why is this any big news or big whoop? the Taliban aren't going to go away. Al Quaeda aren't going to go away. No matter how many troops and trillions of dollars the US and the rest of the west throw at the problem.

    That is the lesson that you'd think would have been learned in Vietnam.

    It is Chinatown Jake.

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    Re: Lara Logan tells us we're being lied to.

    It's a big thing because we're being told something other than the truth. The four star clowns on the ground are busily training Afghan security forces to defend the country after we leave. The problem is the classes are filled with Taliban and other terrorists who have been killing our soldiers as thanks for arming and training them.

    We aren't making progress against terrorism. We've become victims of the politicians arrogance and stupidity. Burying our collective heads in the sand, as we are, will certainly facilitate another 9-11.

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    Re: Lara Logan tells us we're being lied to.

    I don't recall any of you beating your breasts and rending your clothes when Tommy Franks and CO. were lying through their teeth in Iraq.

    I even remember the morning I watched a briefing where Franks showed a bomb hit on a so called site where they could have been WMD's.......because of the vehicles parked in the compound. Problem was.....the trees in the 'recent' before pic were only about 4 feet tall while the trees in the 'aftermath' pic were at least 25 to 30 feet tall.

    Truth is the first casualty of war.

    Americans have been lied to since the Revolution. Get used to it.

    But as far as Afghanistan goes....who gives a serious fuck? Nothing has changed in this tribal hellhole for 3500 years.

    But somehow y'all think that about a decade of Uncle Sam and his lovely daughters opening a can of whupass on them is going to change everything? Get real.

    Afghanistan has been milking the West and The Soviet Union for trillions. And if the Bin Laden Trust wants to funnel even more loot into God's forgotten hellhole...or Iran....or the drug lords of Lower Manhattan...trust me...the avaricious and malevolent goat herders who control the Afghan 'nation' will be right there to take their cut.

    And I blame Alexander the Great
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    Re: Lara Logan tells us we're being lied to.

    Basically this boils down to "someone with no credentials whatsoever and serious reasons to be painting doom and gloom pictures is saying things I want to hear, so I will claim she has credibility because she said so".
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    Re: Lara Logan tells us we're being lied to.

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    From the video she did mentioned she looked from afar, that means who has no info like anyone else on here.
    Therefore she is not qualified to say anything.


    NEVER LISTEN TO A ONE SIDED STORY AND JUDGE.

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    Re: Lara Logan tells us we're being lied to.

    Nope these neocons were absolutely silent when the same lies were coming from the Bush admin.

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    Re: Lara Logan tells us we're being lied to.

    Yes, that's the idea, waste.... well, everything on The Graveyard of Empires.

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    Re: Lara Logan tells us we're being lied to.

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Nope these neocons were absolutely silent when the same lies were coming from the Bush admin.

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    This is what the left is reduced to. Keep talking about Bush because you can't defend your guy in any way shape or form. Of course you've decided that the professional observations of a journalist, who just happened to call Obama On his lies, are unworthy of any consideration because she was raped and that might color her views. Vindictive, right?

    I hope no one in your family ever suffers such a horrible fate as rape. How would you feel if one of your family members was raped and then treated with the same disdain you've shown towards Ms. Logan? You're certainly free to disagree with her views, but victimizing her a second time for being raped is shameful.

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    Re: Lara Logan tells us we're being lied to.

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    So this "reporter" comes with no proof just her solemn word AFTER she was raped during the Egyptian uprising less than a year ago.

    Yeah she is being totally honest and doesn't have a bone to pick. I honestly question the sanity of a human being who would violate muslim practices WHILE armed protesters are in the streets.

    For the record I read her words as I do not have time for her to sound them out.

    I will take the word of the commanders on the ground over Ms Vendetta
    Yes because it is said woman's fault for simply violating Islam's rules of being an uncovered infidel woman in a Muslim country. She has a right to exist and state her mind it is the Muslim's who are at fault for raping her.

    As for Lara Logan she is right. There is no such thing as a moderate Taliban. That makes as much sense as there being moderate Nazis.

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    Re: Lara Logan tells us we're being lied to.

    She's got two points right, regardless of her 'credentials': there will never be a moderate Taliban, and the way to respond to terrorist attacks like in Libya is to send in the clandestine troops and get a bit medieval.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
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    From the video she did mentioned she looked from afar, that means who has no info like anyone else on here.
    Therefore she is not qualified to say anything.
    This somehow sounds very familiar ... just can't quite place it ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    So this "reporter" comes with no proof just her solemn word AFTER she was raped during the Egyptian uprising less than a year ago.

    Yeah she is being totally honest and doesn't have a bone to pick. I honestly question the sanity of a human being who would violate muslim practices WHILE armed protesters are in the streets.

    For the record I read her words as I do not have time for her to sound them out.

    I will take the word of the commanders on the ground over Ms Vendetta
    Very interesting and insightful view of a raped woman.

    Do all raped women lose their credibility after the rape or only those raped by radical muslims?

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    Her comments are somehow invalid because she was raped ?

    Jesus Christ

    Talk about a war on women

    And the "what about bush" continues from the "ain't Obama's thing" crowd

    He killed Osama bin laden

    Take bow
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    Re: Lara Logan tells us we're being lied to.

    The war on terror is like the war on drugs. You can't win either so you might as well build the best defense against it instead of actively fighting it.

    I've read her back story and I'm a bit surprised 60 minutes picked up her story.

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