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    17 year old calls 911 -- shot and killed his mother, sister (Audio of 911 call)

    Jake Evans, 17, tells 911 he shot and killed mother, sister — charged with murder



    ‘I am pretty, I guess, evil ... whatever,’ the homeschooled Texas teen says to the dispatcher when he calls.



    Jake Evans says he killed his sister, Mallory, 15, and his mother. Then he calmly called 911. "I wasn't even really angry with them. It just kind of happened. I've been kind of planning on killing for a while now," he told the dispatcher.

    Jake Evans, 17, called 911 to say that he shot and killed his mother and sister with a .22 revolver in the family's Aledo, Texas, home.

    "I am pretty, I guess, evil...whatever," he told the police dispatcher, during the 911 call around 12:30 a.m. on Friday.

    When asked why he killed his mother Jamie, 48, and sister Mallory, 15, Jake explained that he was not even particularly mad at them.

    "I don't know…it's weird," Jake said. "I wasn't even really angry with them. It just kind of happened. I've been kind of planning on killing for a while now."

    But he did eventually stumble through a confused explanation of his motive. "I don't really like people's attitude (sic). They're … verbally rude to each other and stuff like that," the homeschooled teenager said.

    Jake was concerned that thoughts of the murders might torment him and asked the dispatcher if she knew of any medications that might help, reported The Dallas Morning News.

    "I'm really worried about, like, nightmares and stuff like that," he said. "I don't mean to sound like a wimp or anything, but this is, wow, I've never, like, done anything violent in my whole life."

    The dispatcher kept Jake on the line for about 25 minutes until Parker County sheriff's deputies arrived at his expensive house in a gated community. The dispatcher then asked Jake to walk outside very slowly with his hands up in the air.

    "I don't know…it's weird," Jake Evans, seen here in his mugshot, told the dispatcher after he called to report he had killed his mother and sister.

    Deputies arrested him. He has been charged with capital murder and denied bail, reported NBC DFW.

    The Texas Rangers and Parker County Sheriff's Criminal Investigation Division are investigating the case.

    Evans mother was a teacher and assistant principal at Aledo Independent School District before retiring in 2004.

    His father was out of town on business when the murders occurred but rushed home immediately. Jake has two other sisters who were not home during the killings. One was scheduled to visit from college this weekend.
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    Re: 17 year old calls 911 -- shot and killed his mother, sister (Audio of 911 call)

    Psychopathy coming into play.
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    Re: 17 year old calls 911 -- shot and killed his mother, sister (Audio of 911 call)

    When he described shooting his sister when she came out of the room and how she rolled down stars.. Then how he shot his mother over and over again.



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    Re: 17 year old calls 911 -- shot and killed his mother, sister (Audio of 911 call)

    If he's 17 should there be a video with images of him in the thread? He's underage. Regardless of that, the situation is tragic. Hopefully he gets whatever help he needs. And hopefully the remainder of his family will be able to cope.


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    Re: 17 year old calls 911 -- shot and killed his mother, sister (Audio of 911 call)

    Mallory.
    "You may only be one person to the world, but you may also be the world to one person"
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    Re: 17 year old calls 911 -- shot and killed his mother, sister (Audio of 911 call)

    Quote Originally Posted by reone View Post
    If he's 17 should there be a video with images of him in the thread?

    Jesus, I can't even get away with posting the 911 call


    Didn't even connect the dots. I'd just edit out the youtube brackets and make it a link with no preview of the vid but I can't edit.


    Will just wait for a mod.

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    Re: 17 year old calls 911 -- shot and killed his mother, sister (Audio of 911 call)

    His Dad was away on a trip.


    Imagine hearing this news over the phone.





    Wait till he hears the 911 tape.

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    Re: 17 year old calls 911 -- shot and killed his mother, sister (Audio of 911 call)

    Another school shooting. Good thing they didn't send him to a real school.
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    Re: 17 year old calls 911 -- shot and killed his mother, sister (Audio of 911 call)

    Sad. I applaud the dispatcher for staying calm.

    And in terms of the age, he's not nude and if his name was released by police there should be no problem

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    Re: 17 year old calls 911 -- shot and killed his mother, sister (Audio of 911 call)

    I won't listen to any of that vid.

    Seriously don't get why threads need to be made about things like this, much less ones with full-size bolded text.

    Yes, there are psychopaths. Yes, they do horrible, terrible acts of murder and violence.

    Why dwell? Why obsess? Why sensationalise?

    What's the point? To cower away like a rabbit in a hole? To fixate and replay the incident over and over again?

    Stop turning a family tragedy into a mass-hysteria filled popcorn event.



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    Mallory.
    I don't get the significance.

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    Re: 17 year old calls 911 -- shot and killed his mother, sister (Audio of 911 call)

    The weirdest part: his sister was "freaking out" after he shot her so to help her out he told her "sorry hold still" and then shot her "3 or 4 more times in the head."

    And the bit when he says he never wants to see the rest his family. He's worried they'll visit him in jail. Wtf.

    This kid is so far gone. How tragic. His father and two other sisters...I can't even imagine the pain they're going through right now.

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    Re: 17 year old calls 911 -- shot and killed his mother, sister (Audio of 911 call)

    Quote Originally Posted by thatgirl View Post
    The weirdest part: his sister was "freaking out" after he shot her so to help her out he told her "sorry hold still" and then shot her "3 or 4 more times in the head."

    And the bit when he says he never wants to see the rest his family. He's worried they'll visit him in jail. Wtf.

    This kid is so far gone. How tragic. His father and two other sisters...I can't even imagine the pain they're going through right now.

    You hit all the points I wanted to add. The whole part when he said "I'm taking the pain away" like who the hell does he think he is?


    What harbinger of death complex is this? He's so done.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenGuy View Post
    I won't listen to any of that vid.

    Seriously don't get why threads need to be made about things like this, much less ones with full-size bolded text.

    Yes, there are psychopaths. Yes, they do horrible, terrible acts of murder and violence.

    Why dwell? Why obsess? Why sensationalise?

    What's the point? To cower away like a rabbit in a hole? To fixate and replay the incident over and over again?

    Stop turning a family tragedy into a mass-hysteria filled popcorn event.





    I don't get the significance.


    I don't really know what you want me to say. This just happened. It's a Hot Topic. The news is reporting it. I wanted to start a discussion.


    Quote Originally Posted by justanothershyguy View Post
    Sad. I applaud the dispatcher for staying calm.

    And in terms of the age, he's not nude and if his name was released by police there should be no problem



    She deserves some kind of prize. Not only did she stay calm but she seemed genuine.





    Here is why I posted this story, and why this shit pisses me off:


    I feel nothing for this "person" everywhere I go people are like "He needs help" "He needs to be evaluated and needs treatment"

    The fuck? His sister needs not to have four bullets in her skull, his mother needs not to have been shot 10 times and his father needs not to get a phone call telling him his daughter and wife are dead. Also, that his son did it.


    But no, the only "needs" we care about are the guy's who shot up his mother and sister.

    Fuck that.

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    Re: 17 year old calls 911 -- shot and killed his mother, sister (Audio of 911 call)

    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalFudge View Post
    I wanted to start a discussion.
    What more is there to be said? What more do you expect people to add?

    Why are you (and thatgirl) shoving the whole tragic situation down everyone's throats with giant text of the 'juicy bits' and second-by-second analysis of what went down?

    It's pointless macabre sensationalism/voyeurism for no purpose other than that you apparently 'enjoy' retelling the tale, otherwise you wouldn't have framed your opening post the way you did.

    More fool me for clicking on this thread in the first place, I admit that. Knew nothing good would come of it.

    It's exactly like I said previously about that car-chase guy that shot himself while the cameras were on him. These types of 'news' stories are horrible and saddening enough without people feeling the VERY disturbing need to share EVERY pointless graphic detail about the whole event.


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    Re: 17 year old calls 911 -- shot and killed his mother, sister (Audio of 911 call)

    ^ Lots of things could become of this topic. Perhaps discussing gun control (sigh), psychiatric issues among youth...

    I for one find it curious that he's 17 and committed this crime. One year off from adulthood, my my...so convenient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenGuy View Post
    What more is there to be said? What more do you expect people to add?

    Why are you (and thatgirl) shoving the whole tragic situation down everyone's throats with giant text of the 'juicy bits' and second-by-second analysis of what went down?

    It's pointless macabre sensationalism/voyeurism for no purpose other than that you apparently 'enjoy' retelling the tale, otherwise you wouldn't have framed your opening post the way you did.

    More fool me for clicking on this thread in the first place, I admit that. Knew nothing good would come of it.

    It's exactly like I said previously about that car-chase guy that shot himself while the cameras were on him. These types of 'news' stories are horrible and saddening enough without people feeling the VERY disturbing need to share EVERY pointless graphic detail about the whole event.



    At this point I feel like you're policing what I do with my spare time. If you can't say what I am doing is breaking any law, hurting someone, creating a disturbance, or trolling I fail to see why its wrong.


    We have about 25 shows on TV all about gruesome murders and even sometimes based on real life cases. They literally re-act actual deaths/crimes for entertainment and money.


    All I am doing is sharing a story. Maybe if enough people share this the hundred (Or Dear God maybe thousands) of people who wake up every day thinking "I want to kill because I'm bored" could seek help. Perhaps someone who lives with a brother or sister who reminds them of this guy can identify with the lifelessness they exude and do something before getting shot in the head five times.




    I don't know. I like discussions. this interests me more than "Is this guy hot?" or "My boyfriend is an asshole, what do I do?" Others may feel the same way.


    Just like I avoided about 99% of the threads I saw on the front of Hot Topics today and went to get something I am interested in everyone else can do the same.

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    Re: 17 year old calls 911 -- shot and killed his mother, sister (Audio of 911 call)

    I always wonder about the discussion of horrific murders and new stories such as this. I typically actively avoid stories of this nature and I have a difficult time fully explaining why. I'm sure that this post will probably not be the best illustration of my thoughts.

    I feel that I didn't really learn anything from reading it. Most threads like this, and articles as well, read as some sort of glorification of the action. Reading this only left me with thoughts of sadness. It's like continuously learning about the Holocaust or the evils committed against blacks here in the US. At what point am I actively learning from terrible acts committed by humanity and then at what point am I simply dwelling in them?


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    Re: 17 year old calls 911 -- shot and killed his mother, sister (Audio of 911 call)

    I didn't listen to the video, but the mugshot is heartbreaking.

    Quote Originally Posted by reone View Post
    At what point am I actively learning from terrible acts committed by humanity and then at what point am I simply dwelling in them?
    Hmmm. There may be some territory between actively learning about terrible acts and simply dwelling on them. I tend to think there is a way of being attentive to these outrageous problems that isn't useless, however unsurprising they may be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenGuy View Post
    Why are you (and thatgirl) shoving the whole tragic situation down everyone's throats with giant text of the 'juicy bits' and second-by-second analysis of what went down?
    If it is upsetting you this much, simply avoid the thread. You've stated your distaste for stories like these because you feel that they're sensationalized. Great. But there is no need to get personal. Not everyone shares your opinion, some of us feel that this news story is worth talking about and we don't have to justify ourselves to you.

    DigitalFudge and I are not "shoving it down everyone's throats." He posted a story that left an impression on him and I commented on the topic. I find it crass that you'd label our descriptions of what stood out to us from the story as "the juicy bits." Why are trying to vilify us? Just because you dislike the topic doesn't mean you should go around trying to police what others say.

    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalFudge View Post
    I feel nothing for this "person" everywhere I go people are like "He needs help" "He needs to be evaluated and needs treatment"...
    I get your rage but I still feel for him.

    The psychological aspect of this is what's getting to me. Of course we don't officially know that this kid is mentally ill, but it's very likely that he is and that is a tragedy in its own right. His disordered thinking led him down a dark path. I think that's why people are sympathizing with him.

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    Re: 17 year old calls 911 -- shot and killed his mother, sister (Audio of 911 call)

    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenGuy View Post
    I won't listen to any of that vid.

    Seriously don't get why threads need to be made about things like this, much less ones with full-size bolded text.

    Yes, there are psychopaths. Yes, they do horrible, terrible acts of murder and violence.

    Why dwell? Why obsess? Why sensationalise?

    What's the point? To cower away like a rabbit in a hole? To fixate and replay the incident over and over again?

    Stop turning a family tragedy into a mass-hysteria filled popcorn event.





    I don't get the significance.
    THANK YOU! i never understood the complete fascination that people have posting tragedies like this. what is the point? you think anybody wants to hear about sickos. i think in our culture in america, we're so used to seeing the news where there's tragedy after tragedy where we hear about so and so getting murdered in a grizzly way that we tend to see it as entertainment or worst yet normal. that's one reason why i don't even bother watching the news anymore because there's always something horrific. and the crazy thing too is i've seen someone else posts the same thing too on another web forum with the same situation and they were acting like it was some entertainment type shit. chill with that. same thing with worldstarhiphop.com. same sensationalized and glorification bullshit.



    and the stupid oversized text is ridiculous too.
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    Re: 17 year old calls 911 -- shot and killed his mother, sister (Audio of 911 call)

    Blind eyes, but busy mouths; some of you amuse me.

    As for the story, it's tragic and statistical at the same time since it just keeps happening, and i'm going to wonder what people are going to blame it on, as usual. Other than that, there's not much at all to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by refujiunderground View Post
    THANK YOU! i never understood the complete fascination that people have posting tragedies like this. what is the point? you think anybody wants to hear about sickos.
    Refuji, these are all threads you've started recently:

    http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thre...es-on-fox-news

    http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thre...at-its-his-son

    http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thre...-molesting-him

    How is DF's thread any different? You sound kind of hypocritical here.

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    Re: 17 year old calls 911 -- shot and killed his mother, sister (Audio of 911 call)

    While refuji's post may be hypocritical, I actually agree with that particular aspect of Chickenguy's post. Outlining every last detail seems so unnecessary and, as I mentioned earlier, is just glorification. What point is there in outlining it all when the result is already known? Should it really be so much about how exactly he exactly killed them, what he said to his victims and how he did this, as it should be about why and how it can be prevented from happening to other families? No one has even really mentioned that.

    I understand morbid curiosity as it pertains to film and entertainment, and I understand that it also trickles into the news and media.

    I think it's quite unfortunate and, as I said, it's why I typically avoid posts and threads like this. When I actually decide to read something in this realm I end up seeing posts such as the ones above. I cannot say that they are 'wrong' or anything, but they do bother.

    It's nothing personal, really. Just an observation on the material and reactions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by thatgirl View Post
    Refuji, these are all threads you've started recently:

    http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thre...es-on-fox-news

    http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thre...at-its-his-son

    http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thre...-molesting-him

    How is DF's thread any different? You sound kind of hypocritical here.
    yeah, i agree with you on the first two threads BUT i disagree with you on the last one though. that was actually something that i think people needed to be aware of especially considering that there was some serious foul play going on when you had the police and prosecutors withholding evidence that could have led to someone being executed. that could be anybody in that man's position which was why i was actually trying to raise people's attention so people could sign the petition that was going around for the guy. luckily, his death sentence has been dropped and he is going to be resentenced soon enough. as for the fox news and the guy killing his son, you're right. yeah, i'm being a hypocrite. *falls back from thread*
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    Quote Originally Posted by refujiunderground View Post
    and the stupid oversized text is ridiculous too.

    What exactly are you going to do about it though?



    As usual, people run up into my threads complain about my threads like I am magically forcing you to enter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalFudge View Post
    What exactly are you going to do about it though?
    is this a serious question? you already know the answer, dude.

    but even if i should do something about it, i don't think i would care enough to do anything. just thought it's ridiculous and pointless to oversize the words.
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    Re: 17 year old calls 911 -- shot and killed his mother, sister (Audio of 911 call)

    Why am I not surprised this happened in the Dallas suburbs. It's all rednecks with money, and horrible stories like this coming out of there all the time.
    Jesus, that phone call was heart wrenching. I hope he can get the help he needs, but since this is Texas I'm not very optimistic.

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    Re: 17 year old calls 911 -- shot and killed his mother, sister (Audio of 911 call)

    In Other News
    Charlie Fuqua Arkansas's Republican Candidate for House of Reps endorses Death Penalty for disrespecting parents.
    Republican candidate for the Arkansas House of Representatives Charlie Fuqua, in his 2012 book "God's Law: The Only Political Solution," endorses death penalty for rebellious children in accordance with Old Testament law.
    He said the death penalty would serve as deterrent of rebellious behavior among young people.

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    Re: 17 year old calls 911 -- shot and killed his mother, sister (Audio of 911 call)

    I just read about Charlie Fuqua

    ...sounds like a nut of the hard shelled variety

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalFudge View Post
    Jake Evans, 17, tells 911 he shot and killed mother, sister — charged with murder

    ‘I am pretty, I guess, evil ... whatever,’ the homeschooled Texas teen says to the dispatcher when he calls.
    See? See?

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    ^I knew someone was gonna blame it on homeschooling! How dare parents take their children out of the loving arms of public learning and decide they can do better! The nerve, the absolute...

    Okay, even I can't continue to be mocking here... i'm going to go eat breakfast.

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    I still don't know why guns are legal in the US. Listening to Americans justifying gun laws is the biggest joke. Everyday you hear stories of guns crime and violence and one man massacres all over the US. Every time this happens in America, the whole world shakes their heads. Yet guns are never outlawed in the US. There is no need for guns in society, period.

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    BreakTheIce you don't understand, I need my gun to protect my property. The possibility that someone can come on my property and knock over my potted plants completely justifies my reasons for owning one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenGuy View Post
    What more is there to be said? What more do you expect people to add?
    People find it helpful to talk about tradgedies such as this. Sure there are people who get a kick out of the scandal, but I didn't get that from Digital.

    Like a lot of people he's read something that has horrified him and he's trying to understand and come to terms with how a 17 year old boy could shoot his sister and mother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreakTheIce View Post
    I still don't know why guns are legal in the US. Listening to Americans justifying gun laws is the biggest joke. Everyday you hear stories of guns crime and violence and one man massacres all over the US. Every time this happens in America, the whole world shakes their heads. Yet guns are never outlawed in the US. There is no need for guns in society, period.
    "In the United Kingdom firearms are tightly controlled by law, and there is little political debate and no strong public opposition to control. The United Kingdom historically had one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world even before gun control legislation became stricter from the late twentieth century. [1] In England & Wales in 2009 there were 0.073 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants; for comparison, the figure for the United States was 3.0, about 40 times higher."

    And then you read "Fatal stabbings at 30-year high"...

    People here seem to have just substituted knives for guns. It's all you ever hear about.

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    Horrible. Unnecessary. Tragic.

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    While almost everyone wants to argue about the merits or otherwise of posting this news item, and the merits or otherwise of the amount of detail given, and the merits or otherwise of homeschooling, and the merits or otherwise of guns, and the merits or otherwise of if we should have a news item about a 17yr old on JUB, I'm just left thinking that yet another kid has been failed by the system. As with all cases like this, we'll most probably discover that all the signs were there - but missed, and then the biggest tragedy won't be the deaths of his mum and sister, but the fact that it could have been avoided...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreakTheIce View Post
    I still don't know why guns are legal in the US. Listening to Americans justifying gun laws is the biggest joke. Everyday you hear stories of guns crime and violence and one man massacres all over the US. Every time this happens in America, the whole world shakes their heads. Yet guns are never outlawed in the US. There is no need for guns in society, period.
    A government afraid of its citizens is a Democracy. Citizens afraid of government is tyranny!” Thomas Jefferson. its a joke saying tehre is no need for guns in society, peroid. The whole point of us having guns is in the event of our government being out of control. We can then if absolutely necessary, use guns to over throw the government. There never be no guns on our planet, people who want to do evil and bad things will always be able to get guns, no matter the laws. Just like drugs, drugs are illegal, but look you can get them simply by walking down the street and asking the right person.

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    None of that matters. He is still a minor and posting pictures of him in a porn forum is against the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZmercTheDuke View Post
    A government afraid of its citizens is a Democracy. Citizens afraid of government is tyranny!” Thomas Jefferson. its a joke saying tehre is no need for guns in society, peroid. The whole point of us having guns is in the event of our government being out of control. We can then if absolutely necessary, use guns to over throw the government. There never be no guns on our planet, people who want to do evil and bad things will always be able to get guns, no matter the laws. Just like drugs, drugs are illegal, but look you can get them simply by walking down the street and asking the right person.
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    is this a serious question? you already know the answer

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    Quote Originally Posted by quasar View Post
    While almost everyone wants to argue about the merits or otherwise of posting this news item, and the merits or otherwise of the amount of detail given, and the merits or otherwise of homeschooling, and the merits or otherwise of guns, and the merits or otherwise of if we should have a news item about a 17yr old on JUB, I'm just left thinking that yet another kid has been failed by the system. As with all cases like this, we'll most probably discover that all the signs were there - but missed, and then the biggest tragedy won't be the deaths of his mum and sister, but the fact that it could have been avoided...

    You know, I bet the signs were there. After hearing him on the phone you don't wake up and just act hollow. That mess grows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZmercTheDuke View Post
    A government afraid of its citizens is a Democracy. Citizens afraid of government is tyranny!” Thomas Jefferson. its a joke saying tehre is no need for guns in society, peroid. The whole point of us having guns is in the event of our government being out of control. We can then if absolutely necessary, use guns to over throw the government. There never be no guns on our planet, people who want to do evil and bad things will always be able to get guns, no matter the laws. Just like drugs, drugs are illegal, but look you can get them simply by walking down the street and asking the right person.
    Again,

    "Listening to Americans justifying gun laws is the biggest joke."

    You just proved my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreakTheIce View Post
    Again,

    "Listening to Americans justifying gun laws is the biggest joke."

    You just proved my point.
    Listening to non-Americans drum up the whole "Why does your country have gun laws or guns at all, unlike mine?" as if it somehow makes their country superior and less violent is like trying to decide what's better, a sewer rat or an angry possum.

    You've proved no point at all, other than the fact that some people in other countries can be snotty as hell when it comes to THIS countries' laws - and this is all coming from someone who abhors guns on the street level in the first place.

    I never hear any solutions, just "guns need to be outlawed, period, end of story, etc". So, you're the extreme left - and like all extremists, you're laughable as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZmercTheDuke View Post
    A government afraid of its citizens is a Democracy. Citizens afraid of government is tyranny!” Thomas Jefferson. its a joke saying tehre is no need for guns in society, peroid. The whole point of us having guns is in the event of our government being out of control. We can then if absolutely necessary, use guns to over throw the government. There never be no guns on our planet, people who want to do evil and bad things will always be able to get guns, no matter the laws. Just like drugs, drugs are illegal, but look you can get them simply by walking down the street and asking the right person.
    just out of curiosity... last time the US government was out of control (ie declaring illegal wars in distant parts of the world) what were your weapons good for?
    And regarding the second part of your post, do you actually believe the government/army has anything to fear of the common citizen, armed or not??

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreakTheIce View Post
    Again,

    "Listening to Americans justifying gun laws is the biggest joke."

    You just proved my point.
    Yup.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZmercTheDuke View Post
    A government afraid of its citizens is a Democracy. Citizens afraid of government is tyranny!” Thomas Jefferson. its a joke saying tehre is no need for guns in society, peroid. The whole point of us having guns is in the event of our government being out of control. We can then if absolutely necessary, use guns to over throw the government. There never be no guns on our planet, people who want to do evil and bad things will always be able to get guns, no matter the laws. Just like drugs, drugs are illegal, but look you can get them simply by walking down the street and asking the right person.
    A government of the people, by the people, for the people is a democracy. Governments afraid of the people means therefore that the people are afraid of each other. Living in a state of deadlocked fear is no solution. I'm sorry if your country is stuck in that rut of fear, but you might want to try moving somewhere else.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post
    Listening to non-Americans drum up the whole "Why does your country have gun laws or guns at all, unlike mine?" as if it somehow makes their country superior and less violent is like trying to decide what's better, a sewer rat or an angry possum.

    You've proved no point at all, other than the fact that some people in other countries can be snotty as hell when it comes to THIS countries' laws - and this is all coming from someone who abhors guns on the street level in the first place.

    I never hear any solutions, just "guns need to be outlawed, period, end of story, etc". So, you're the extreme left - and like all extremists, you're laughable as well.
    You never hear any solutions because you're not listening to the actual solution right in front of you: restrict weapons, ban some. It isn't a slogan. It's not some extremist quackery like the Chinese cultural revolution or Chavez and his pretend democracy. It is the actual tried-and-true solution that works in countries with freedom and stable, accountable democratic governments. And on this subject, all those other countries are better than yours.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nishin View Post
    just out of curiosity... last time the US government was out of control (ie declaring illegal wars in distant parts of the world) what were your weapons good for?
    And regarding the second part of your post, do you actually believe the government/army has anything to fear of the common citizen, armed or not??
    very true. the government got weapons that would make an army of the most armed citizens firepower look like total shit. they don't even have to bust guns. they probably got high explosive bombs that are the size of peanuts that could destory a whole entire town or city. the government has millions of weapons that nobody ever heard of that they could use at any given moment. if our government went to war with us citizens, it would be a complete mismatch. those guns would be useless.
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    What a horrible tragedy. Just hearing him over the phone with the dispatcher is heart wrenching. There's no rational explanation to something so destructive and sickening. It's times like these that I see nothing but the bleak extinction of humanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    You never hear any solutions because you're not listening to the actual solution right in front of you: restrict weapons, ban some. It isn't a slogan. It's not some extremist quackery like the Chinese cultural revolution or Chavez and his pretend democracy. It is the actual tried-and-true solution that works in countries with freedom and stable, accountable democratic governments. And on this subject, all those other countries are better than yours.
    What I just put in bold print, no one ever says. It's always a question of why, or a demoralization of the fact that we have them in the first place. The sad fact of the matter is that's not even a solution that's viable - at least not right now. Restriction only works when there is a stiff penalty for those that break the law; banning altogether(and there are some weapons that need to be strictly military or not available at all for ANY reason) has the same dilemma.

    So i again ask, where is the solution? And how does it make your country better - violence is still in fact, violence. Whether a person dies or not does not make that fact go away.
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    I listened to the audio.
    Sad, some kids are unstable ..........


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    According to this video some kids sees "their family member as the enemy and must be eliminated .."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?=H2kw4eh8Ou0
    Last edited by quasar; October 11th, 2012 at 02:12 PM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nishin View Post
    just out of curiosity... last time the US government was out of control (ie declaring illegal wars in distant parts of the world) what were your weapons good for?
    And regarding the second part of your post, do you actually believe the government/army has anything to fear of the common citizen, armed or not??
    Yeah because civil wars are just fought by civilians right, government officials heave never ever joined the cause, no military figures have ever joined fight either right... do you know any history at all about civil wars or revolutions? I am not talking about over throwing the government, because I don't agree with a piece of legislation. I am talking about the point where peaceful protesting does not work. Have you forgotten about Syria. It started out with peaceful protesting, You know what happen next? Syrian regime start sending out death squads abducting protester kids, torturing them, and sending them back to their families in pieces. They also used lethal force against protesters. That is when Syrian rebels groups starting forming and going up against arms to fight their government. Ranking officers, Generals and cabinet members also joined the rebels.

    That is the exact reason why our founding fathers gave us to the right to have arms, in case of extreme miss treatment of the people by the government, the people can fight back, not have to hide in fear. It is completely ignorant to think that just because this is a 1st world country, that something similar that his happening Syria can't happen here. Is there a big chance of it happening of course not, And I hope it never does. The truth is no one knows what will happen in the future, so why risk it by banning all guns. That is all I wanted to point out.

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