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    Security dwindled before deadly Libyan consulate attack

    The real facts are beginning to surface, apparently much to the chagrin of the Obama administration ....... regarding the details of the security or lack thereof provided to our people in Libya which lead to 4 American deaths, including Ambassador Stevens.

    Army green beret, Lt. Colonel Andrew Wood who will tell his story to Congress on Wednesday, sat for CBS This Morning and in summary he said:

    - from the moment he arrived in February, he saw "chaos"
    - local security guard forces were unreliable - there were battles between militias, there was criminal activity
    - he met daily with Ambassador Stevens and he was very concerned about security for himself and his staff
    Most damning was his statements that there was a "visible security drawdown while he was in Libya" - due to "Pressure from the higher headquarters at the State Department."He continued with "There was pressure to reduce the number of security people there."

    He said that "Over the six months leading up to the attack on Stevens, the security situation in Libya deteriorated"
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    He added that "Stevens and his staff made the case for tightened security in emails and diplomatic cables" - instead of more or tighter security, "one by one they lost three State Department security teams, their only airplane and, eventually, Woods' squad too.

    Not a good story as if true, there was an ongoing clear signal for more security and the opposite was done and lead to the needless deaths of americans
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_16...sulate-attack/

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    Re: Security dwindled before deadly Libyan consulate attack

    lots of focus on Romney, who is NOT President

    he's this/that and the other thing - none good or even OK

    and we have here a building situation of potential foreign policy/security incompetence - one that appears to have been attempted to be quelled due to re-election values

    yet no one cares?

    this isn't going away

    and people are dead - americans

    priorities r fucked

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    Security Team Commander Says Ambassador Stevens Wanted His Team to Stay in Libya Past August

    The facts keep coming out on the murder of our Libyan Ambassador and three others in Libya.

    Stevens and his staff did not have enough security and had the security they had removed even after repeated requests.

    The huge question is WHY?

    Clinton and Obama will have to answer this sometime and stop hiding behind the dumb video story .. even if it's a bureaucratic error that caused removal of the security detail and the death of 4 men.



    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...past-august-2/

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    Re: Security Team Commander Says Ambassador Stevens Wanted His Team to Stay in Libya Past August

    No, can't be! We've had authoritative sources on this very board claim the Ambassador was fully in control of his own security. He ran the show in Libya, we were told. He was, in fact, responsible for his own death. But now we're finding out that this was a lie perpetrated on us by those carrying the water for an incompetent president.

    The FBI stayed out of Benghazi ostensibly because it was "dangerous" for weeks. Yet, unarmed CNN news crews managed to get into the US compound, retrieve relevant materials including the ambassador's journal and get out unscathed.

    We've been lied to from jump street by Obama and company. Now, it's time for him to answer for his actions. The cover up is always worse than the crime.

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    Re: Security Team Commander Says Ambassador Stevens Wanted His Team to Stay in Libya Past August

    August is a good month

    Once again, The two jacks are trying to make political hay out of the blood of american fallen heroes. predictable and misleading as always. ODS at it's finest.

    Ahem

    Fuck that report and the scumbag that wrote it, as they are all part of the same cabal that faked the poll numbers, right? Oh yes...

    The lamestream media isn't lame if they are proving YOUR point. This cafeteria reality has become commonplace in the GOP land.

    Directly to the OP? this thread is just one more I hate Obama thread. You may have noticed all the rest of the press stating that After Romney's foreign policy speech, half was riddled with lies and the other half was cut and pasted out of the Obama foreign poicy issue.

    So grow a pair and tell me what could have been done differently if any of you two were, heaven help us, made commander in Chief. What would the GOP have done differently that would not have included a new war? What would Romney or others have done differently.

    Obama is being taken to task for failing to heed reports when bush was warned more succinctly by a report that "Bin Laden was determined to attack", and is inaction on that intel cost the nation 3000 deaths. You guys will either ignore that as comparative logic as to which party has a plan.

    Obama killed Osama. You cannot take the american people's belief in him away with this red meat bullshit.
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    Re: Security Team Commander Says Ambassador Stevens Wanted His Team to Stay in Libya Past August

    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    ODS at it's finest.
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    Re: Security Team Commander Says Ambassador Stevens Wanted His Team to Stay in Libya Past August

    Four men were murdered and should not have been. Steven's requests for security were denied. Any grade school person knows what happened on 9/11 and would know that the US has to be on the alert that day.

    Obama and his crew made it political and a coverup when they started blaming the attack on the dumb video that very few had seen or heard of anywhere in the world.

    If the media were not awestruck with Obama, they would have gone after Secretary Rice and demanded her resignation by now.

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    Re: Security Team Commander Says Ambassador Stevens Wanted His Team to Stay in Libya Past August

    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    August is a good month

    Once again, The two jacks are trying to make political hay out of the blood of american fallen heroes. predictable and misleading as always. ODS at it's finest.

    Ahem

    Fuck that report and the scumbag that wrote it, as they are all part of the same cabal that faked the poll numbers, right? Oh yes...

    The lamestream media isn't lame if they are proving YOUR point. This cafeteria reality has become commonplace in the GOP land.

    Directly to the OP? this thread is just one more I hate Obama thread. You may have noticed all the rest of the press stating that After Romney's foreign policy speech, half was riddled with lies and the other half was cut and pasted out of the Obama foreign poicy issue.

    So grow a pair and tell me what could have been done differently if any of you two were, heaven help us, made commander in Chief. What would the GOP have done differently that would not have included a new war? What would Romney or others have done differently.

    Obama is being taken to task for failing to heed reports when bush was warned more succinctly by a report that "Bin Laden was determined to attack", and is inaction on that intel cost the nation 3000 deaths. You guys will either ignore that as comparative logic as to which party has a plan.

    Obama killed Osama. You cannot take the american people's belief in him away with this red meat bullshit.

    ODS? How original! A ripoff of BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome). Was the assertion by the administration that the attacks on our facility were carried out by a spontaneous protest honest and accurate? Or were they bullshit? Did they honestly admit that there were terrorist groups involved or spoon feed us bullshit about some clapped up video? Did they trot out the UN Ambassador to honestly apprise the press and Congress about the terrorist attack, or did she serve up the now discredited bullshit?

    Was the Ambassador to Libya in fear of terrorists, as his journal indicates? Did he and his staff request additional security? Why were they told to make do with less?

    Well, we now have four less Americans in Libya because of failures of an incompetent and more likely dishonest administration. Drag out Bin Laden as many times as you like. But what people want to know is this. What have you done for me lately?

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    Re: Security Team Commander Says Ambassador Stevens Wanted His Team to Stay in Libya Past August

    You are myopic in your view.

    Reaan lost more than this and so did Bush. You are trumping up nonsense, and all polls still clearly indicate that the electorate still trusts the president more than Romney to handle terrorism and the military.

    That means that however you spin this, the general electorate thinks Romney would be worse.

    Making political hay out of this is repulsive to me, and you know why, Jackaroe. We all knew there would be revenge attacks for killing Osama Bin Laden, a task the GOP decided wasn't worth the time.

    Ambassadors work without guns, and the host nation is responsible for any ambassador's security abroad. Tell me how Obama can override international law, OR how a GOP president could.

    How about we stop with the hystrionics in the last month here, and do all of ourselves a favor and have real conversation.

    Tell me what could have been done differently by any president, and how this president has NOT done better than his predecessors when dealing with Terrorism.

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    Re: Security dwindled before deadly Libyan consulate attack

    What we have in this administration is President more Wizard of Oz than anything else....not only can give a heart,brain or courage but start repairing the planet and healing the oceans. What a fucker we have in the White House....amateur hack beyond belief. When all this Libya mess becomes clear,all the Obama fanbois everywhere will have egg on their smug faces, hopefully full yolk.
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    Re: Security dwindled before deadly Libyan consulate attack

    CBS has pretty much ignored this story until recently.

    Tomorrow should be very interesting CSPAN -- better set your DVR's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    What we have in this administration is President more Wizard of Oz than anything else....not only can give a heart,brain or courage but start repairing the planet and healing the oceans. What a fucker we have in the White House....amateur hack beyond belief. When all this Libya mess becomes clear,all the Obama fanbois everywhere will have egg on their smug faces, hopefully full yolk.
    Oh don't hold back.

    Go on.

    Tell us how you really feel.

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    Re: Security dwindled before deadly Libyan consulate attack

    probably should merge this with Jack's thread - same concept

    there's actually more "NEWS" on this as another has come forward

    The State Dept. wanted to keep the # of security personnel there "artificially low" - scary shit

    and shit that will not go away - despite the HOPE of the Obama administration and his blind followers




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    Re: Security dwindled before deadly Libyan consulate attack

    I am of the opinion that to call your president (and yes, he is your president and he is working for you, whether you voted him in the White House or not) a "fucker" and an "amateur hack beyond belief" is a major failure at keeping it classy. There are very few jobs IN THE WORLD as demanding, taxing, stressful and difficult as that of the President of the United States. If any. There is a measure of respect due ANY person sitting in the Oval Office, and before someone goes all false equivalency on me, I have never used this kind of language about Bush, nor would I. I don't even go this far about Romney, and he's only a candidate.

    You can't do a better job than Barack Obama. You can't even do half as good a job as him. You can't do a hundred times worse job than him either. You cannot even begin to imagine the complexity of his job and the strength of character and the scope of knowledge needed to do the job. There is a reason why Bush left most of it to Cheney, and there is a reason why he left the country in the state that he did, but even so he must have had some qualities to get anywhere close to the job.

    Show some respect, even if it's only for propriety's sake. Let's not turn this forum into any more of a US Weekly than it already is
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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Oh don't hold back.

    Go on.

    Tell us how you really feel.

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    Re: Security dwindled before deadly Libyan consulate attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I am of the opinion that to call your president (and yes, he is your president and he is working for you, whether you voted him in the White House or not) a "fucker" and an "amateur hack beyond belief" is a major failure at keeping it classy. There are very few jobs IN THE WORLD as demanding, taxing, stressful and difficult as that of the President of the United States. If any. There is a measure of respect due ANY person sitting in the Oval Office, and before someone goes all false equivalency on me, I have never used this kind of language about Bush, nor would I. I don't even go this far about Romney, and he's only a candidate.

    You can't do a better job than Barack Obama. You can't even do half as good a job as him. You can't do a hundred times worse job than him either. You cannot even begin to imagine the complexity of his job and the strength of character and the scope of knowledge needed to do the job. There is a reason why Bush left most of it to Cheney, and there is a reason why he left the country in the state that he did, but even so he must have had some qualities to get anywhere close to the job.

    Show some respect, even if it's only for propriety's sake. Let's not turn this forum into any more of a US Weekly than it already is
    I would love to. I voted for Obama....I was tired of the crap of much of what the Bush Administration was doing. Would you give the same measure of respect to a Nixon, a Reagan, either Bush or Romney if he is elected? I sure don't think most of those on the left here would give equal respect to a president of opposing viewpoints....especially very core ideological differences. Now that also goes for those on the right ....but this board is primarily a gay community board with a largely liberal membership,certainly on the political commentary side. I do realize how much weight is on the President of the United States....imagine being Harry Truman making the decision to drop the horror of the hydrogen bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki as the best course to end the War in the Pacific with Japan. Lincoln trying to preserve the Union... Roosevelt preventing revolution in the wake of the desperation of the Great Depression. So many things..... but it's clear to me and a lot of people, not necessarily conservative fire breathers that Obama is fool's gold.

    The first time I really started to lose it with him was his snarky remark after the disappointing results of the stimulus in creating the shovel ready jobs he insisted would result that things weren't so shovel ready after all. For all of liberals selective memory of FDR he did put people to work after the Depression by bypassing the unions. Obama when he was successful in saving or creating jobs basically lavished favor on unions to the detriment of other unemployed. I have to amend my remarks somewhat to rareboy....I don't want to not give a damn on what people on the left think of what I have to say( and I KNOW full well I'm not as gifted or wise as others by a long shot) but it's like hitting your head against a brick wall. I do criticize Republicans and conservatives when they go overboard, and I agree it's not hard at all to find examples of crazy right wing idiocy spouted by people scarily in leadership positions. I criticized jackaroe and Jack Springer when they clearly wrongly stated Obama called China our greatest ally when Obama was refering to Romney not being able to deal with the Chinese if he couldn't help himself by insulting the readiness of our closest ally (clearly meaning the UK) to host the Olympics.

    I'm just tired of having to make the effort of being pragmatic and cautious.... of trying not to live in a world of black and white exclusively when all too often on the left here there is no introspection, no reasessment of their own biases and perspectives time after time. Well,Libya is a disaster..... Syria is close to it....Afghanistan and Iraq are sliding into chaos...we have NO leverage in the Middle East and got on board the Arab Spring far too late....our Iran policy has little to show for it....Russia and China don't respect us....we foolishly gave the Russians too much on missile defense,fucked our Eastern European allies in the process....and gained NOTHING from our premature generosity as Russia protects Syria and wants to work with Iran to limit our spherre of influence in the Middle East. Ambassador Stevens and three others died horrible deaths for what??? Look, I don't support much of what Bush did, have grave concerns about much of the GOP agenda. Yet I won't ignore that our president is failing badly abroad, never mind not much better at home and if the left is just going to play games and reflexive oppose even thinking about Obama in a more realistic vain there's no reason for me to just roll over.
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    Re: Security dwindled before deadly Libyan consulate attack

    I would not respect Romney as much as Obama, because he would not be a good president and I consider Obama to be one, given the situation he inherited. Whether he could have been better is up for debate. I think yes.

    But this isn't about how much I would respect Romney or any other Republican president, it's the language I'd use to talk about him and quite frankly - to think about him as well. I believe ANYONE in a position of this magnitude deserves respect, even if it's grudging, teeth-gnashing respect. Just the way I was brought up. Once you start throwing shit at someone who bears that much responsibility, you're dragging them down to your level, and that's too presumptuous in my book.
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    Re: Security dwindled before deadly Libyan consulate attack

    Oh and one other thing about Syria... I haven't seen brought up... Turkey is starting to take its own action and have sternly warned Syria not to attack those on its side. The US doesn't really need to do much in that regard. But the reality is Russia and China aren't helping Syria or Iran. And that is because they know their limits.

    Syria is falling apart and Assad is on the way out (as seen with the attacks on the central structure in Damascus), and Iran is crumbling economically... where the fuck are China and Russia to bail out Iran?

    http://dawn.com/2012/10/10/economic-turmoil-in-iran/

    Nowhere. So much for those meddling Chinese and Russians... it just seems like they don't want to get involved in some costly affair.

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    Re: Security dwindled before deadly Libyan consulate attack

    Here's the latest on the coverup by the White House. They've belatedly decided to come clean. There were no protests, as we were repeatedly told. There was no mob pissed off about some video, as we were told. This was a straight up terrorist attack. Obama lied and caused others in his administration to also lie to the American public. Obama isn't simply incompetent, he's a liar and now he's caught.


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    Re: Security dwindled before deadly Libyan consulate attack

    I just wonder...

    could the thin security have anything to do with the fact that Republicans cut funding for embassy security? BBC reports:

    ...Republicans are the ones that pushed for cuts in the security that they now deem insufficient.

    A memo prepared by the [oversight] committee's Democratic staff noted that House Republicans voted to reduce funding for embassy security by $459m (£286m) lower that the Obama administration requested.

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    I just wonder...

    could the thin security have anything to do with the fact that Republicans cut funding for embassy security? BBC reports:
    where did you get that?

    I would love to read the whole thing!
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    ^^^

    Just for the record ... 149 democrats voted to reduce funding for embassy security --- two more than republicans.

    Over 75% of democrats voted to reduce the spending. Only a little over 40% of republicans voted to reduce the spending.

    You want to rephrase your accusation? or is the hate for anyone not a liberal too big?

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    Re: Security dwindled before deadly Libyan consulate attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I just wonder...

    could the thin security have anything to do with the fact that Republicans cut funding for embassy security? BBC reports:
    Thanks for that, Kuli! That's hilarious.

    Republicans cut embassy security, then (once again) blame Obama for failing to stop them from being stupid!



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    Re: Security dwindled before deadly Libyan consulate attack

    Anyone watch CNN ? Live coverage

    Not a pretty story

    And I live the extension of the "blame bush" narrative

    Not going to go over with the American public

    And it shouldn't

    Scary how reflexively some here pivot and point

    It's involuntary it seems

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    I just wonder...

    could the thin security have anything to do with the fact that Republicans cut funding for embassy security? BBC reports:
    My how the worm begins to turn.

    I wonder if they did it with the thought that it would lead to some event that could then be blamed on someone else?

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    Re: Security dwindled before deadly Libyan consulate attack

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    ^^^

    Just for the record ... 149 democrats voted to reduce funding for embassy security --- two more than republicans.

    Over 75% of democrats voted to reduce the spending. Only a little over 40% of republicans voted to reduce the spending.

    You want to rephrase your accusation? or is the hate for anyone not a liberal too big?

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    You count on that working out for you that way. Romney is NOT trusted with national security and the PRESIDENT has double digit leads over him on foreign policy with voter confidence.

    if you want to play in the mud pit at the expense of american heroes, just to score a few political points? It appears that you have absolute glee that people died... just for the chance to get at Obama... and that?

    Not classy, tacky, unpatriotic, and disrespectful to the dead.

    But you go ahead. Revel in american deaths. It does nothing but make people lose respect for ALL of your opinions in the process, cause the crap being peddled in this thread? It only flies on FOX and Beck... but not in a civilized society or discussion.
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    THIS criminal is in charge of these so called hearings. Talk abiout crooks

    http://whohijackedourcountry.blogspo...al-record.html

    Guess I shouldn't be surprised, since the only 2 Attorneys General to go to prison were both republicans

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    Re: Security dwindled before deadly Libyan consulate attack

    Issa?

    Another one of his Witch hunts that go no where and cost the tax payers millions?

    If only he spent all that time writing jobs bills, we would be in a much better place than we are. But you know.... Gotta get the Black Guy in office. People get thrown in the gutter, farmers bills lay dead on the table, written jobs bills never get votes called for... but Issa will have his kangaroo court.

    I should have figured.

    He is the Slime on the floor at the all night peep show. Actually.. that's insulting to the slime on the floor at the peep show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lestatnj View Post
    THIS criminal is in charge of these so called hearings. Talk abiout crooks

    http://whohijackedourcountry.blogspo...al-record.html

    Guess I shouldn't be surprised, since the only 2 Attorneys General to go to prison were both republicans
    All I found when I googled "darrell issa criminal record" was the author's article and a bunch of left wing blog sites -- no legitimate sites in the first two pages.

    Just so you're aware -- Issa is the Chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Reform. It is his job to investigate issues like he was today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    Issa?

    Another one of his Witch hunts that go no where and cost the tax payers millions?

    If only he spent all that time writing jobs bills, we would be in a much better place than we are. But you know.... Gotta get the Black Guy in office. People get thrown in the gutter, farmers bills lay dead on the table, written jobs bills never get votes called for... but Issa will have his kangaroo court.

    I should have figured.

    He is the Slime on the floor at the all night peep show. Actually.. that's insulting to the slime on the floor at the peep show.
    BP you said earlier in CEP that you knew one of the men that were murdered. I don't understand why you are not interested in what happened.

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    Wow !!'

    It's as if some don't want to know the truth

    Unless it involves Republican malfeasance

    Yech .........

    We are all accountable ...... Especially elected officials whose primary role is to protect the lives of American citizens

    And above we hear many brutally cynical dodges

    What looked apparent weeks ago now appears moreso

    Ironic that the campaign that focuses all their time on their opponents faux "lies" - a narrative that is negative, unbecoming and contrary to the elected concept (hope and change)

    Is now caught doing that

    Except this is real and people are dead

    It's very hard to stomach

    This is not about Romney btw

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    There's an old saying. Once you've dug yourself into a hole, the first step in getting out is to stop digging. Our friends on the left haven't figured that out yet. Let them keep digging. It's getting worse for Odumbo by the day.
    two years ago you told me something and I will now repeat it back to you

    YOU DON'T get it. The HOUSE controls the purse strings. You guys cut spending? you live with the deaths that it created, and roll around in the mud as you do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    BP you said earlier in CEP that you knew one of the men that were murdered. I don't understand why you are not interested in what happened.
    I know more about what happened than you buddy, that's for sure. I am a friend of the family, I was not his friend, although I spent time with him at a function once, but only the breifest of hello's happened.

    His family is offended by the republican attempts to politicize this. He knew what he was doing and he knew it was dangerous. They blame no one but the terrorists, and consider him a hero.

    I want the truth, but I guarantee you, it won't come from Issa, that's for sure.
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    I'm well aware of who & what Issa is.

    STEP AWAY FROM YOUR CAR......Viper, appropriately named.

    He was accused twice of robbing cars, was arrested for having a gun in his glove compartment, driving the wrong way on a one way street, suspected of arson. If he were a Democrat, Issa would be screaming for his resignation...& so would you.

    He's the richest member of congress. no doubt by scamming for government funds. Friends of mine know him, they became totally disillusioned with Issa & the Republican party, because of Issa & political hackiness, & W's lies, which of course Issa backed to the hilt

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    There's an old saying. Once you've dug yourself into a hole, the first step in getting out is to stop digging. Our friends on the left haven't figured that out yet. Let them keep digging. It's getting worse for Odumbo by the day.
    Shame on both parties for those who voted to reduce spending....but truth in this case ultimately mean the buck has to stop with the man in charge. He doesn't wear that aspect of his presidency well at all. When you are losing the narrative, spin like hell. Change the story a number of times. Anything but accept responsibility. Amusing how the finger gets pointed by the progressives ONLY back at Republicans who are hypocritical.... but not to the 75% of House Dems who were even more resoundingly on board with the cuts. And certainly NOT to the guy paid to make the big decisions...certainly with the increased level of activity in the months leading up to the attack the administration should have put whatever it could in securing the embassy.
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    nonsense

    The GOP controlled what spending bills were allowed to come up for a vote. This is Boehner's mess.
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    ^^^

    You can actually ignore the vote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^^

    You can actually ignore the vote?
    With control of the house of reps, the GOP accepted responsibility for the purse strings. How many times has the PRESIDENT been rebuked by them?

    The last obscenity they perpetrated on our men and women in uniform was with the senate fillibuster of the Vet education and jobs bill. It was actually written by four GOPpers and the very men that wrote it voted to filibuster it. It doesn't take a genius to see what has happened here.

    Everyone has a hard on in the GOP for cutting spending instead of raising revenue, and now we got what we paid for. You want to reconsider all those foolhardy cuts? Own it. It's YOUR party. Cry if you want to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    where did you get that?

    I would love to read the whole thing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^^

    You can actually ignore the vote?
    The point is that all the Republicans who voted for it should just shut their traps, because they bear the responsibility.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    *the number is now forty

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    It's nice how some ask for proof on here and all some respond with is more and more rhetoric about how bad the Obama administration is. No, I'm sorry I won't take your word for it. Try again please... this time with something better then a youtube video. Obama didn't lie about a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ^^^

    Just for the record ... 149 democrats voted to reduce funding for embassy security --- two more than republicans.

    Over 75% of democrats voted to reduce the spending. Only a little over 40% of republicans voted to reduce the spending.

    You want to rephrase your accusation? or is the hate for anyone not a liberal too big?

    http://www.opencongress.org/vote/2011/h/941

    Why are you linking us to H.R. 2055 (Military Construction and Veterans Affairs and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2012) which was passed on Sept 30, 2012 - 19 days AFTER the Benghazi attack? Why are you trying to created the impression that Democrats supported cuts to spending for embassy security, when that is not true?

    The complaint here is that the Republican congress cut spending for the diplomatic service BEFORE the attack, and those cuts may negatively have impacted embassy security. These cuts began in 2009, with the Ryan budget, which cut $1.2 billion from the Department of State, including funds for 300 diplomatic security positions.

    Last February, Hillary Clinton met with John Boehner and other Republicans to try to convince them that the cuts they had implemented were dangerous to embassy security. After the meeting, Clinton warned:

    "The scope of the proposed House cuts is massive. The truth is that cuts of that level will be detrimental to America's national security.

    We would be forced to scale back significantly our mission in the frontline states of Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan where we work side-by-side with the American military. We would also be required to roll back critical health, food security, climate change, border security and trade promotion efforts abroad as well."

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/...se-republ.html

    Boehner, however, rejected the security concerns:

    A Boehner spokesperson reiterated House Republicans' commitment to reducing spending and expressed confidence that members of the military and civilians working abroad will have the resources necessary to do their jobs.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/...se-republ.html

    Your party keeps screwing up. And you guys keep trying to hide your screw-ups behind lies (like pretending Democrats supported your stupidity). We didn't.



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    ^ Nicely served there.

    So at the end of the day, even after being warned by the State Department, the Republicans ignored the risk to security.

    Well that doesn't look good does it?

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    Re: Security dwindled before deadly Libyan consulate attack

    If the President can mobilize troops to protect the border between Jordan and Syria he can certainly act to protect the sovereign territory and staff of the US. To say the host countrry is responsible for security is disingenuous: they have no right inside the Compound. That is our job. The Administration blew it. And people died for it. Further, positions could have been transferred from docile Embassys to Libya. If we ignore - I assume - Congress in sending troops to armed -to- the- hilt Jordan we can transfer staff to war torn Libya.

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    Re: Security dwindled before deadly Libyan consulate attack

    The vote is from December 16, 2011.

    Are you trying to rewrite history?

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    Why are you linking us to H.R. 2055 (Military Construction and Veterans Affairs and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2012) which was passed on Sept 30, 2012 - 19 days AFTER the Benghazi attack? Why are you trying to created the impression that Democrats supported cuts to spending for embassy security, when that is not true?

    The complaint here is that the Republican congress cut spending for the diplomatic service BEFORE the attack, and those cuts may negatively have impacted embassy security. These cuts began in 2009, with the Ryan budget, which cut $1.2 billion from the Department of State, including funds for 300 diplomatic security positions.

    Last February, Hillary Clinton met with John Boehner and other Republicans to try to convince them that the cuts they had implemented were dangerous to embassy security. After the meeting, Clinton warned:




    Boehner, however, rejected the security concerns:




    Your party keeps screwing up. And you guys keep trying to hide your screw-ups behind lies (like pretending Democrats supported your stupidity). We didn't.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    The point is that all the Republicans who voted for it should just shut their traps, because they bear the responsibility.
    Spin, spin, spin.

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    Can you ignore the vote? Looks like you can. You just lost a lot of credibility.

    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    With control of the house of reps, the GOP accepted responsibility for the purse strings. How many times has the PRESIDENT been rebuked by them?

    The last obscenity they perpetrated on our men and women in uniform was with the senate fillibuster of the Vet education and jobs bill. It was actually written by four GOPpers and the very men that wrote it voted to filibuster it. It doesn't take a genius to see what has happened here.

    Everyone has a hard on in the GOP for cutting spending instead of raising revenue, and now we got what we paid for. You want to reconsider all those foolhardy cuts? Own it. It's YOUR party. Cry if you want to.

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    Quite frankly BP, your friends should be mad as hell at President Obama and Secretary Clinton for purposely lying to them while their son lay in a coffin behind them saying the reason he died was a stupid video when they knew otherwise.


    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    I know more about what happened than you buddy, that's for sure. I am a friend of the family, I was not his friend, although I spent time with him at a function once, but only the breifest of hello's happened.

    His family is offended by the republican attempts to politicize this. He knew what he was doing and he knew it was dangerous. They blame no one but the terrorists, and consider him a hero.

    I want the truth, but I guarantee you, it won't come from Issa, that's for sure.

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