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    Did Obama Just Throw The Entire Election Away?

    The first three paragraphs of the article spell it all out.

    The Pew poll is devastating, just devastating. Before the debate, Obama had a 51 - 43 lead; now, Romney has a 49 - 45 lead. That's a simply unprecedented reversal for a candidate in October. Before Obama had leads on every policy issue and personal characteristic; now Romney leads in almost all of them. Obama's performance gave Romney a 12 point swing! I repeat: a 12 point swing.

    Romney's favorables are above Obama's now. Yes, you read that right. Romney's favorables are higher than Obama's right now. That gender gap that was Obama's firewall? Over in one night:

    Currently, women are evenly divided (47% Obama, 47% Romney). Last month, Obama led Romney by 18 points (56% to 38%) among women likely voters.
    Who knows what will happen in the next fours weeks -- the tide could easily turn the other way -- we have two unusual men running for president.

    You can't blame anyone but Obama for his performance.

    I read in a NYT article that his campaign management was already plotting the new strategy during the debate -- while he was still on the stage.



    http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast....tion-away.html

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    Re: Did Obama Just Throw The Entire Election Away?

    It just goes to show how many people value form over substance. It wouldn't be the first time gullible people were swayed by a smooth talking con artist politician.



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    You're calling Romney a smooth talking politician?


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    It is silly to think that a failed Presiident like Obama can be reelected. In a few years the welfare class will be able to rule and ruin the country, but not yet.

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    Re: Did Obama Just Throw The Entire Election Away?

    Fascinating. The swing among women is the strangest.

    Obama really needs to come out swinging next time, pouncing on every one of Romney's lies.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    I think it's highly temporary. And again, national polling is not indicative of anything.

    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...s-of-settling/

    Nate Silver had an article stating that polls are settling. Since battleground polling is infinitely more important, it's good not to be shortsighted.

    *Asides from that, the notorious poll Rasmussen which oversamples republicans has it at a draw. Shouldn't Mittens be leading big time in that? Nope. Because national polling for the most part hasn't changed. I hope Mittens goes in super confident in the next debate and crashes when Obama comes out swinging (which he will).

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    Re: Did Obama Just Throw The Entire Election Away?

    The Dems response should've been:

    1 debate - 2 + VP more
    Take your lumps
    Give your opponent his due

    Anything else and you're denying the truth
    Pre Poll also had 60-22 Romney debate win

    Instead:
    Romney is a liar
    Stupid people couldn't see past the lies

    It's not true and worse its bad POLITICS

    They're stealing a page from the Romney play book

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    Re: Did Obama Just Throw The Entire Election Away?

    Sullivan has been clutching his pearls and hyperventilating that Obama "lost the election in one night" since just a few minutes after the debate ended. One more ridiculous and overwrought meltdown from La Sullivan is just that, another ridiculous and overwrought meltdown.

    It's hysterical to me that conservatives have spent MONTHS claiming that polls can change and they don't really matter UNTIL, that is, their guy gets a temporary bump and now the polls are not only gospel, but unchangeable.

    meh....

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    Obama damaged himself but he is far from losing this election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    The Dems response should've been:

    1 debate - 2 + VP more
    Take your lumps
    Give your opponent his due

    Anything else and you're denying the truth
    Pre Poll also had 60-22 Romney debate win

    Instead:
    Romney is a liar
    Stupid people couldn't see past the lies

    It's not true and worse its bad POLITICS

    They're stealing a page from the Romney play book
    okay for one he did lie... why the denial of the lies that he made?

    The bump is temporary, and Obama's approval ratings didn't go down.

    Romney lied multiple times during the debate and he needs to be held accountable for the lies he said right to the face of the American people.

    Why should I give Romney any due? For what? Sugarcoating bullshit to the American public?

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    Re: Did Obama Just Throw The Entire Election Away?

    When I watched the debate I was thinking "What the hell are you doing dude? You were winning the election by a country mile. Why are you performing so badly?" At the same time I could tell Romney was lying through his teeth because he was counteracting EVERYTHING that Obama was accusing him of, when its obvious what the Republicans are all about. Romney is just good at flip flopping, and people are so stupid that they would fall for it. If Obama doesn't bring his A game into these next two debates, he's in big trouble, and so is the country, because Romney will CRASH America.

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    I think Obama will come swinging at the next debates, jstud. And I think this was perhaps a ploy to get Romney out in the open. Mitt opens his mouth and it feels like a win for conservatives... it'll backfire. That's my belief. And it'll backfire big time. The dems are already releasing political ads highlighting the lies in his debate.

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    Re: Did Obama Just Throw The Entire Election Away?

    Well... at least the right on this forum seems to accept the results of a poll... that's a start I suppose...

    Of course, the job numbers and every other poll pre-debate are still made up...

    I will point out that this poll is the most favorable one to Romney released and there is already evidence that polls are moving somewhat back to Obama... let's wait until Wednesday/Thursday (let the jobs numbers digest) before we jump to conclusions, boys. One thing the polls do show though is that voters are far more fickle than most anticipated... which does raise the stakes for the remaining debates.

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    Re: Did Obama Just Throw The Entire Election Away?

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    The Dems response should've been:

    1 debate - 2 + VP more
    Take your lumps
    Give your opponent his due

    Anything else and you're denying the truth
    Pre Poll also had 60-22 Romney debate win

    Instead:
    Romney is a liar
    Stupid people couldn't see past the lies

    It's not true and worse its bad POLITICS

    They're stealing a page from the Romney play book
    The Romney is a a liar approach is 100% true (ask the fact-checkers) and the correct response by the Obama administration. Feel free to list off the most substantive big ideas that Romney made (don't waste your time btw... there weren't any ) and I bet you I can match you one-for-one with a bigger lie told by him.

    As for the POLITICS side of it, how exactly is saying "we got trounced" a better spin politically? That's ridiculous... if the president got destroyed by being listless and refusing to call out Romney on his bullshit during the debate... how exactly is this the best strategy post-debate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    I think Obama will come swinging at the next debates, jstud. And I think this was perhaps a ploy to get Romney out in the open. Mitt opens his mouth and it feels like a win for conservatives... it'll backfire. That's my belief. And it'll backfire big time. The dems are already releasing political ads highlighting the lies in his debate.
    Yeah my boyfriend said this. I hope its true...

    and yes it was clear Romney was lying because no one says "I didn't say that" multiple, multiple times during a two hour debate if they're not lying. I knew exactly what was going on. Not sure everyone else did though.
    Last edited by jstud; October 8th, 2012 at 10:06 PM.

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    Its crazy because I'm actually a moderate/conservative when it comes to many economic issues, yet I don't think Romney is the answer because A. he is too backwards on social issues and B. I don't think he has the ability or brains to fix the economy.

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    A couple of reasons this is so big is that this is the biggest bump of the entire election season and the other is the HUGE jump in the polls for Romney with women -- almost 20%.

    To ignore this and say it's all Romney lying and Americans just falling for his lies is not an honest reaction -- there is more to it.

    Polls can change -- the opposite performance can happen at the next debate -- however, two points that I think are important ... can Obama reform well without the teleprompter and can Obama change to accept criticism face-to-face in a debate without showing so much disdain?

    People read body language. I think if you were to watch that debate with the sound turned off -- you would say that Obama lost.

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    The question remains: how, in a supposedly civilized country, can the populace be so persuaded by lies that there's such a large shift in the polls?

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    Re: Did Obama Just Throw The Entire Election Away?

    You'll note in another thread that the most recent polls taken after the employment figures were released have cut into Romney's lead.

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    Or polls can be outliers, like this Pew one... which is essentially discredited. Maybe the sampling shifted? That is what could have happened. Other polls say differently.

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    So tell us again how the Pew poll has been discredited. Hogwash.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...toward-romney/

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    Any one for tic-tac-toe, which seems to be the sum of argument so far.

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    Re: Did Obama Just Throw The Entire Election Away?

    please Jack.

    Romney needs the electoral college, and there are simply few paths for him to get there now. For him to win, he needs to sweep all remaining toss up states.

    to do that he needs to have four weeks in a row like he just had, and it's not going to happen. I know it sells commercials on news shows better when people think there is an upset in the race, but this is Romney's first bounce in polls in 18 months, and it will not be enough.

    The fight is still real and it is still hard for both sides, but at the end of the day, no matter what anyone says, this is about turn out, nothing more or less, and hate has never been a motivator of the uninformed portion of the electorate.
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    Spread the word. No reason to vote. Obama has it in the bag.

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    ^ Well finally.

    It certainly has taken you long enough to wake up and smell Romney's imminent defeat.

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    Re: Did Obama Just Throw The Entire Election Away?

    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    please Jack.

    Romney needs the electoral college, and there are simply few paths for him to get there now. For him to win, he needs to sweep all remaining toss up states.

    to do that he needs to have four weeks in a row like he just had, and it's not going to happen. I know it sells commercials on news shows better when people think there is an upset in the race, but this is Romney's first bounce in polls in 18 months, and it will not be enough.

    The fight is still real and it is still hard for both sides, but at the end of the day, no matter what anyone says, this is about turn out, nothing more or less, and hate has never been a motivator of the uninformed portion of the electorate.
    Yep, this is still an uphill battle for Romney. And, really, it comes down to one state: OHIO... I would hate to be watching non-DVRed television programming in that state this month... though would love to be able to cast my vote there. Obama could actually lose the popular vote and still win somewhat comfortably... I bet you the right would love that one...

    And, spot on about turnout... youth and Hispanic turnout is deciding this election...
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    Barack really needs to re-energise the base, Democrats were on such a high after the meticulous DNC and then the debate happened

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngolaZee View Post
    Barack really needs to re-energise the base, Democrats were on such a high after the meticulous DNC and then the debate happened
    No debate has changed the course of an election in my lifetime except one, Kennedy Nixon.

    Romney is no Jack Kennedy that's for sure. It DOES remind us how important it is to not think of it as in the bag.
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    The entire time after the debate the Obama campaign's response has been Big Bird. Now Big Bird has sent a letter to Obama to stop.

    As is football or any sport there is momentum and that can carry you through to the win. Romney may be on a roll.

    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    please Jack.

    Romney needs the electoral college, and there are simply few paths for him to get there now. For him to win, he needs to sweep all remaining toss up states.

    to do that he needs to have four weeks in a row like he just had, and it's not going to happen. I know it sells commercials on news shows better when people think there is an upset in the race, but this is Romney's first bounce in polls in 18 months, and it will not be enough.

    The fight is still real and it is still hard for both sides, but at the end of the day, no matter what anyone says, this is about turn out, nothing more or less, and hate has never been a motivator of the uninformed portion of the electorate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The entire time after the debate the Obama campaign's response has been Big Bird. Now Big Bird has sent a letter to Obama to stop.

    As is football or any sport there is momentum and that can carry you through to the win. Romney may be on a roll.
    lol

    That has not been their entire response. The Romney lies have been the focus, and Ryan will not get a pass on them or be allowed to get up and leave when he does not like the question.

    Ryan is a mess.

    As for the Big Bird crap? Romney should never have said it. Discretionary spending cuts will NEVER solve the budget issues. Big Bird is the new GOP straw man.
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    I don't get the whole discussion about cutting funding for PBS... why don't we start rolling back corporate tax breaks, cutting military spending and ending Bush-era tax cuts on the wealthy? Surely, PBS funding is a pin drop compared to the corporate tax breaks...



    This essentially describes my feelings. In this case, replace "jobless benefits" with PBS funding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    I don't get the whole discussion about cutting funding for PBS... why don't we start rolling back corporate tax breaks, cutting military spending and ending Bush-era tax cuts on the wealthy? Surely, PBS funding is a pin drop compared to the corporate tax breaks...



    This essentially describes my feelings. In this case, replace "jobless benefits" with PBS funding.
    PBS and NPR have become vehicles of Democrat propoganda. We have multitudes of TV channels and no purpose is served by public funding they spend much of their time adverting for donations. Why not just have commercial ads?

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    Only in GOp land can a documentary and educational television be considered Democratic Propaganda.

    Funny stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    PBS and NPR have become vehicles of Democrat propoganda. We have multitudes of TV channels and no purpose is served by public funding they spend much of their time adverting for donations. Why not just have commercial ads?
    Democrat "propoganda (sic)"? Care to prove that? Or is that just another claim not backed up? I guess education is now Democratic propaganda. If one is more educated they are less likely to vote for Mitt romney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    PBS and NPR have become vehicles of Democrat propoganda. We have multitudes of TV channels and no purpose is served by public funding they spend much of their time adverting for donations. Why not just have commercial ads?
    The ridiculousness of this statement notwithstanding, I must reiterate... this is precisely NOT the point... the point is either to force Romney into a position of actually cutting something meaningful/significant... or, far more likely to be the end result... to paint him as someone with absolutely no BIG serious ideas...


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The entire time after the debate the Obama campaign's response has been Big Bird. Now Big Bird has sent a letter to Obama to stop.

    As is football or any sport there is momentum and that can carry you through to the win. Romney may be on a roll.
    And, not that it matters, but technically Big Bird told both campaigns to leave him the fuck out of it... something that clearly only a democratic propaganda machine would do...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReadyWithReadyWit View Post
    And, not that it matters, but technically Big Bird told both campaigns to leave him the fuck out of it... something that clearly only a democratic propaganda machine would do...
    I believe you're wrong -- BB told Obama to stop -- Romney has not made it a major focus of his campaign.

    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/1...f-campaign-ad/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I believe you're wrong -- BB told Obama to stop -- Romney has not made it a major focus of his campaign.

    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/1...f-campaign-ad/
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    The organization, in a blog post, asked both Obama and Romney to discontinue any use of the beloved characters in their war for the White House.

    "Sesame Workshop is a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization and we do not endorse candidates or participate in political campaigns," Sesame Workshop said. "We have approved no campaign ads, and, as is our general practice, have requested that both campaigns remove Sesame Street characters and trademarks from their campaign materials."
    I tend to not make up stuff that is easily verifiable...

    That being said, I do think BB has run its course politically...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    PBS and NPR have become vehicles of Democrat propoganda. We have multitudes of TV channels and no purpose is served by public funding they spend much of their time adverting for donations. Why not just have commercial ads?
    Dude, get outta here! I'd trade 90% of network TV and all of cable news channels for NPR and PBS. Don't f-ck with my Downton Abbey, Car Talk, This American Life, or Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me! Just don't!

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    We should not be borrowing money to entertain you, nor taxing people to entertain others. If PBS cannot sustain itself without government funding, it should not exist.

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    Funny how now it is all about the government borrowing money for Big Bird instead of borrowing money to blow things up. Or to fund tax cuts for the wealthy. Funny that. Isn't it?

    PBS is about the only thing that has kept the US entertainment and television industry from looking like what it is...the bottom of the intellectual barrel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Funny how now it is all about the government borrowing money for Big Bird instead of borrowing money to blow things up. Or to fund tax cuts for the wealthy. Funny that. Isn't it?
    You mean, if the military can't get by without government funding, we should just let it die?

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    ^ Well we have to be careful don't we. As Halliburton proved when Rumsfeld and Bush tried to outsource the war in Iraq....letting the private contractors (soldiers of fortune) take care of things doesn't always work out so well or so economically.

    But imagine if some of the most profligate and non-essential military spending under the Bush years had been subject to the same scrutiny as Bert and Ernie or the Cookie Monster's stipend.

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    Halliburton killed more soldiers through faulty wiring in showers than Al Queda did in the Libyan attack on the embassy.

    Just think about that.
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    Re: Did Obama Just Throw The Entire Election Away?

    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    Halliburton killed more soldiers through faulty wiring in showers than Al Queda did in the Libyan attack on the embassy.

    Just think about that.
    What is your point? Government workers would have been perfect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    What is your point? Government workers would have been perfect?
    no

    More people died so that Cheney could make a buck, than died in the attack on the embassy. Where was the republican outrage then?
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    You lie. Cheney had no benefit frim the profits of Halliburton at that point.

    Accidents happen whether the work is done by government workers or private.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    You lie. Cheney had no benefit frim the profits of Halliburton at that point.

    Accidents happen whether the work is done by government workers or private.
    be nice... I am one of the last people here that is willing to actually have a real conversation with you.

    Cheney got a golden parachute, and that always includes stock. No... Cheney profited, and as Romney once said, there is no such thing as a blind trust. You give them instructions and they give you reports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    be nice... I am one of the last people here that is willing to actually have a real conversation with you.

    Cheney got a golden parachute, and that always includes stock. No... Cheney profited, and as Romney once said, there is no such thing as a blind trust. You give them instructions and they give you reports.
    At the time it was clear that he did not have an interest other that delayed payments. If you have evidence that he had an interest affected by profit or not please let us see. So far you have speculated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    At the time it was clear that he did not have an interest other that delayed payments. If you have evidence that he had an interest affected by profit or not please let us see. So far you have speculated.
    The guy had massive ammounts of haliburton stock. He gave them a contract that they were not competent to meet the obligations of, and people died.

    That is shameful, and exactly what we will go back to as a nation if the Fuckwad Romney gets in office ,which he won't.



    Originally published on Tuesday October 11, 2005.
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    Looks like he profited to me, how about you?
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    Fact check looked into the question at the time Kerry made the allegation and found it to be false. Cheney irrevocably BEFORE HE TOOK OFFICE, http://www.factcheck.org/kerry_ad_fa...ton.htmlsigned a gift trust agreement with a power of attorney to the administer to sell the options and give the money to charities,

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