Republican voter ID laws and restrictions on early voting

[White Eagle]

I got this in an email this AM and I'll be damned if I can find the story at Daily Kos, so I included their main URL.
This was a donation email for Heinrich and Brown so I cut out the link to the donation page. I'll let you go to Daily Kos and donate iffen you want to.
So anyone here from New Mexico or Ohio? Here is what's going on there. They just gotta get them voters to show pix IDs. Tell anyone you know in these states the challenges are illegal.

http://www.dailykos.com/

Republican voter ID laws and restrictions on early voting have largely been defeated by the courts for 2012, so some Republican and tea party groups are taking matters into their own hands:

In New Mexico, Republicans are teaching "poll challenger" courses where they instruct poll watchers to ask voters for photo ID, even though doing so is illegal in New Mexico.

In Ohio, a tea party group is challenging the voter registrations of 730,000 Ohioans, and is training hundreds of volunteers to work as poll challengers in minority neighborhoods on Election Day.

Strong voter education and turnout programs are the best defense against voter suppression tactics, and we can ramp up the get out the vote programs in both of these states by supporting their local Democratic nominees for U.S. Senate: Rep. Martin Heinrich in New Mexico and Sen. Sherrod Brown in Ohio.

Both Heinrich and Brown are progressive, Daily Kos-endorsed Democrats. Also, as the two largest Democratic campaigns operating exclusively in New Mexico and Ohio, supporting their campaigns is the best way to make sure your donation goes toward fighting back against these Republican dirty tricks.


Keep fighting,
Chris Bowers
Campaign Director, Daily Kos

[GiancarloC]

So they are basically encouraging criminal activity? They should be arrested and put in jail. Republicans are trying to throw out votes. The tea party crowd is nothing more then a bunch of slimeball criminals. All voters should know it's illegal in those two states. I guess the attempted suppression will never end... they are really fucking afraid of Latinos in particular.

[jackoroe]

The premise in this partisan article is wrong. The Supreme Court upheld the validity of state laws requiring photo ID's to vote in 2008.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawfor...Election_Board

The salient question is this. Why do our friends on the radical left insist on advocating a position that invites voter fraud?

[Spiff]

Ohio here. Haven't heard any buzz about this tactic. Ads have been airing urging everyone to exercise their right to vote and vote early though.

[GiancarloC]

Jack, There is no evidence of voter fraud. There is only evidence of voter suppression and making it harder for people to vote. This is essentially a poll tax. Why are those on the radical right advocating such suppression? That's the real question of the day.

[Just_Believe18]

The premise in this partisan article is wrong. The Supreme Court upheld the validity of state laws requiring photo ID's to vote in 2008.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawfor...Election_Board

The salient question is this. Why do our friends on the radical left insist on advocating a position that invites voter fraud?

Jackoroe, it is astonishing you look past the blatant voter fraud that is listed in this article of what the Republicans are doing to disenfranchise millions of Americans from voting this November. That doesn't bother you? The sheer numbers alone eclipses any rare cases of the voter fraud the GOP claims is happening. What do you say when you see video clips like this?

PA Republican House Leader Mike Turzai on June 23, 2012

It doesn't get any clearer than that.

Or the former Florida GOP Chair, Jim Greer:
http://thegrio.com/2012/07/30/jim-gr...r-suppression/

Greer claims he became uncomfortable with leading the party when an official began to openly discuss voter suppression tactics that would keep blacks from participating in the electoral process.

[White Eagle]

The premise in this partisan article is wrong. The Supreme Court upheld the validity of state laws requiring photo ID's to vote in 2008.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawfor...Election_Board

The salient question is this. Why do our friends on the radical left insist on advocating a position that invites voter fraud?

That link is about an Indiana voter id.
You don't think all Americans need to vote?

[Kulindahr]

The premise in this partisan article is wrong. The Supreme Court upheld the validity of state laws requiring photo ID's to vote in 2008.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawfor...Election_Board

The salient question is this. Why do our friends on the radical left insist on advocating a position that invites voter fraud?

The only documented voter fraud is by Republicans. Maintaining this charade [Text: Removed by Moderator] encourages people to be Democrats because the Republican party is shown as delusional.

[jackoroe]

The only documented voter fraud is by Republicans. Maintaining this charade [Text: Removed by Moderator] encourages people to be Democrats because the Republican party is shown as delusional.

Really?!



http://www.rnla.org/votefraud.asp


Would you like some salt with that crow, sir?

[jackoroe]

That link is about an Indiana voter id.
You don't think all Americans need to vote?

It's a precedent setting SCOTUS case. All Americans who are permitted by law to vote should certainly be allowed. Requiring an ID to do so is reasonable as determined by the court. We are required to show ID for a myriad of activities on a daily basis, including some of which are Constitutionally guaranteed. Go down to the local gun shop and try buying a new toy without ID and report back to us.

I do believe that if ID is required, that government should also provide it free of charge. There is no legitimate argument to be made against requiring an ID and 74% of Americans agree.

http://www.humanevents.com/2012/08/1...voter-id-laws/

[Rolyo85]

There is no reasonable excuse for pushing for those laws in the few days preceding an important election though. Start those pushes in January, and nobody would make a fuss. Or, well, this is the US, so let's say FEWER people would make a fuss.

[scream4ever]

And yet you don't answer the question you were asked about Pennsylvania Jackoroe...

[jackoroe]

Jackoroe, it is astonishing you look past the blatant voter fraud that is listed in this article of what the Republicans are doing to disenfranchise millions of Americans from voting this November. That doesn't bother you? The sheer numbers alone eclipses any rare cases of the voter fraud the GOP claims is happening. What do you say when you see video clips like this?

PA Republican House Leader Mike Turzai on June 23, 2012

It doesn't get any clearer than that.

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So, reducing the probability of fraud would allow Romney to win PA? What does that say about democrats? Look, it's very reasonable to require an ID to vote. I think we can agree on that. The issue is simply ensuring that everybody has sufficient access to obtain a free government ID.

Would you advocate that anyone simply walk into a gun shop and be given a gun because it's a Constitutionally protected right, like voting? Or do you think it prudent to check that they are in fact permitted to lawfully own a weapon and suffer none of the disabilities precluding even possession of a weapon? Do you support presentation of a valid identification in order to ensure that to be the case? Or shall we simply accept a buyer's word that he/she is on the up and up?

So why should it be different with voting? The fact is we can't even determine how much fraud is occurring in places that simply allow people to walk in and vote without any ID whatver. The honor system simply doesn't work. Elections have far too many consequences to not have safeguards to prevent fraud.

[aagold76]

'...friends on the left...'- thanks, I needed a good laugh!!!!

[aagold76]

It may be reasonable, but you don't spring it on voters 6 months before the election....every other law usually takes a while to go into effect- if they said it starts in 2014, fine, but this was a blantant attack on inner city- black, democratic voters- as several republicans have been overheard to say.

[GiancarloC]

No Jack, this isn't about reducing voter fraud. It's about disfranchising thousands of voters. Luckily many of these attempts have been struck down.

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

It may be reasonable, but you don't spring it on voters 6 months before the election....every other law usually takes a while to go into effect- if they said it starts in 2014, fine, but this was a blantant attack on inner city- black, democratic voters- as several republicans have been overheard to say.

what he said ^^

Plus jackoroe is ignoring the fact that they are teaching people to demand IDS where it is NOT REQUIRED in hopes that they can intimidate voters from exercising their rights.

Demonstrably shameful and demonstrably criminal.

[Kulindahr]

Really?!



http://www.rnla.org/votefraud.asp


Would you like some salt with that crow, sir?

These small-time Democrats were playing on a local level in a way your cherished voter-suppression laws wouldn't touch.

So, yeah, there are a few amateur Democrats engaging in fraud -- or rather were.

[GiancarloC]

The criticism of some amateur democrats engaging in fraud is merely covering up the wide state by state fraud republicans are attempting to engage in. That video is a diversion tactic in my book.

[Kulindahr]

So, reducing the probability of fraud would allow Romney to win PA? What does that say about democrats? Look, it's very reasonable to require an ID to vote. I think we can agree on that. The issue is simply ensuring that everybody has sufficient access to obtain a free government ID.

It's still fraud when enacted in law. Passing a law which makes it difficult for thousands of people to vote is voter fraud, and all who vote for such a thing belong in prison. On the flip side, anyone who votes to let whoever happens to walk in on polling day to have a ballot and have it counted belongs in prison, too.

For hundreds of government processes, the government is required to give substantial notice through hearings and newspaper items and more, over a serious period of time -- for a highway project here that will make a serious change to traffic flow, we've been getting advisories for over a year and it's still a year till they break ground! For a change in what it takes to vote, a much more serious matter than a highway project, at least that much time should be required for advisories, hearings/info meetings, education, and assistance to help citizens through the change.

Republicans fail on the basis of a good idea badly implemented.

[Kulindahr]

what he said ^^

Plus jackoroe is ignoring the fact that they are teaching people to demand IDS where it is NOT REQUIRED in hopes that they can intimidate voters from exercising their rights.

Demonstrably shameful and demonstrably criminal.

And that is also voter fraud.

If Republicans are really such law-enforcement fans as they talk like, there should be thousands of Republican political activists in jail soon.

[Rolyo85]

It's not badly implemented. It's implemented EXACTLY the way they want to implement it.

[jackoroe]

It's still fraud when enacted in law. Passing a law which makes it difficult for thousands of people to vote is voter fraud, and all who vote for such a thing belong in prison. On the flip side, anyone who votes to let whoever happens to walk in on polling day to have a ballot and have it counted belongs in prison, too.

For hundreds of government processes, the government is required to give substantial notice through hearings and newspaper items and more, over a serious period of time -- for a highway project here that will make a serious change to traffic flow, we've been getting advisories for over a year and it's still a year till they break ground! For a change in what it takes to vote, a much more serious matter than a highway project, at least that much time should be required for advisories, hearings/info meetings, education, and assistance to help citizens through the change.

Republicans fail on the basis of a good idea badly implemented.

Not possible. Fraud is a crime. Laws allowing what you may consider "fraud" make whatever activity they may so choose to address, legal and thus not fraudulent.

[Jack Springer]

{Text removed by moderator} These small-time Democrats were playing on a local level in a way your cherished voter-suppression laws wouldn't touch.

So, yeah, there are a few amateur Democrats engaging in fraud -- or rather were.

WTF is a amateur democrat? A democrat that doesn't know how to professionally commit election fraud.




Of all the crazy things I've read on here . . .

[Rolyo85]

Not possible. Fraud is a crime. Laws allowing what you may consider "fraud" make whatever activity they may so choose to address, legal and thus not fraudulent.

Oh by all means, let's debate semantics. Let's just call it unjust, petty and villainous then. All perfectly in sync with legal, though MANY of the voter ID pushes have NOT been legal, and you know it.

[GiancarloC]

Oh by all means, let's debate semantics. Let's just call it unjust, petty and villainous then. All perfectly in sync with legal, though MANY of the voter ID pushes have NOT been legal, and you know it.

It's all about splitting hairs. The GOP is committing state-wide fraud and the right wing is silent...

[Kulindahr]

Not possible. Fraud is a crime. Laws allowing what you may consider "fraud" make whatever activity they may so choose to address, legal and thus not fraudulent.

I know Republicans have no moral compass, but I thought you knew better.

[Kulindahr]

WTF is a amateur democrat? A democrat that doesn't know how to professionally commit election fraud.

Exactly -- the Republicans have shown themselves to be the pros at the election fraud game, especially when using the law to do it. They do evil by using law, and sanctimoniously hide behind it to justify themselves.

Thanks be to God, the Founding Fathers gave us a judiciary that can tell the politicians to STFU.

[Kulindahr]

It's all about splitting hairs. The GOP is committing state-wide fraud and the right wing is silent...

As with the brown shirts, they remain silent because it's their fraud... and in this case, God is on their side, so it's okay!