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    Re: I wish I was American, so I could vote against the GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Total nonsense. Half of the people cannot afford to pay any income tax? That's a false claim that has never been backed up. I would like to see some proof. Capital gains tax is the lowest it has been in 70 years. A better concept of socialized medicine will show you how it is actually more efficient then what we have now.
    The Tax Policy Center reported 46% paid no federal income tax in 2011; the year before it was 48%.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: I wish I was American, so I could vote against the GOP

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    The Tax Policy Center reported 46% paid no federal income tax in 2011; the year before it was 48%.
    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...ral-taxes.html

    Sure but a majority of them still paid payroll taxes. 28% of them worked and paid payroll taxes (thus still contributing to the system).

    http://biztaxlaw.about.com/od/payrol...prtaxes411.htm (For more information)

    10% of those who did not pay federal taxes are the ELDERLY (prominent republican voting bloc... or so we think). 7% are those who didn't work at all. Republicans have tried painting the 46-47% as being lazy and not contributing... but they clearly do pay taxes in one form or another (payroll taxes [federally collected], sales tax [state level], property tax, and/or other taxes).

    So it's not looking at the entire picture. Most non-payers are in conservative states as said with high poverty rates... one can refer to the NYTimes article. However, many of the 47% still paid the federal government taxes in one form or another.

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    Re: I wish I was American, so I could vote against the GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Since a majority of voters are considered too poor to pay income taxes, we must assume that a majority will be deemed too poor to pay for insurance. So, the minority who pay taxes will now have to pay excess premiums for their insurance AND will have to buy insurance for the majority who get a free ride on income taxes. And, the minority who pay will have to see their health care degraded, as they wait in long lines as in the socialist countries. And new developments will slow to a virtual halt as drug and device countries are deprived of the profit motive and capital.
    Are there no other sources of tax the government uses other than income tax? The poor need to buy fuel to heat their homes, run their cars or find it as a component of their travel expenses as the price of the bus tickets. The poor sometime go to restaurants too to buy food and have a sit down in house meal, which is taxable in most states. Moreover they need to buy clothing and other everyday taxable consumables and contribute indirectly to tax income for the government. To use 'income tax' as the prime example of how poor people don't pay tax is just a load of right wing wool pulling. Everyone has seen their fuel and food prices rise. You cannot make food without the input of energy costs such as in transportation, and manufacting processes. Everyone contributes, if they have to pay to keep their families alive. As such, everyone who pays taxes directly or indirectly helps and in my humble opinion deserves to be helped in return.

    The next time you go to your UK doctor, ask him what percentage of new developments come from the US. Even UK companies investing in research are anticipating being able to recoup their investments from selling into the vast US market without price controls.
    Businesses are businesses, they make money. But if governments had a block purchasing power that can be used to negotiate a fair price for the ordinary citizen. You're saying that's bad, even though a fair price has been agreed by the government and the pharmaceutical company?

    Before the NHS was founded, you had to have money to see a doctor, and if you didn't you did without. If this the type of society you champion, where the vulnerable die from treatable medical problems just because they're poor? This is what the UK government does for its citizens, they make affordable healthcare possible for the majority of the people rather than just for those who can afford to pay for health care. Our direct and indirect taxes make that possible, so don't tell me people who don't pay income tax are scroungers, they're actually paying for it indirectly in other ways.


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    Taxes paid to the states are not relevant here. The insurance policies for all those deemed to
    be unable to afford it will be paid by the federal government from federal taxes and borrowings. People who do not pay income taxes do pay small amounts for gas, alcohol and tobacco taxes nwhich will be a drop in the healthcare bill.
    Drug companies will not be foolish enough to invest billions in the development of new drugs, relying on the mercy of federal beaurucrats to allow them a price which will enable them to recoup the investment. Negotiated or agreed prices are really prices dictated by the bureaucrats. The federal government will be under constant pressure to keep prices down. Even the people of the UK will be effected by the drying up of new developments.

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    Re: I wish I was American, so I could vote against the GOP

    Taxes paid to states are relevant here.

    Canada's health care system is funded at both the federal transfer level and the provincial tax level.

    You are utterly mistaken thinking that drug companies would stop investing in new drugs.

    Your vision of a dystopian society where only the very wealthy and the party apparatchiks are able to afford drugs and health care is bone chilling and depressing in its wilful ignorance. There is no reason why the US cannot enjoy the same high quality of healthcare as the other industrialized western countries....why you are desperate to only have a system that supports the bottom line for the global pharma industry and the insurance companies is utterly beyond me.

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    Re: I wish I was American, so I could vote against the GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    … we are told that more than half of the people cannot afford to pay ANY income tax
    Do you agree that those people are paying the amount stipulated in current tax law?

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    Many are,but many are not. There is a large underground economy in which people do not report or pay taxes on their income. Prostitutes, criminals, people recieving tips, people such as handimen and lawn mowers who are paid in cash.
    But the real problem is that many who could pay samething are given a free ride, yet they get to vote for higher spending, higher benefits for themselves, and higher, ever higher taxes on others.

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    Taxes paid to states are relevant here.

    Canada's health care system is funded at both the federal transfer level and the provincial tax level.

    You are utterly mistaken thinking that drug companies would stop investing in new drugs.

    Your vision of a dystopian society where only the very wealthy and the party apparatchiks are able to afford drugs and health care is bone chilling and depressing in its wilful ignorance. There is no reason why the US cannot enjoy the same high quality of healthcare as the other industrialized western countries....why you are desperate to only have a system that supports the bottom line for the global pharma industry and the insurance companies is utterly beyond me.
    What Canada does is not relevant in the US. You are dismissive of the bottom line of drug companies yet assert that they will contine to invest large amounts in new research. They need big profits to fund big research. Free enterprise works, and it is about all that does work.

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    Re: I wish I was American, so I could vote against the GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Taxes paid to the states are not relevant here. The insurance policies for all those deemed to
    be unable to afford it will be paid by the federal government from federal taxes and borrowings. People who do not pay income taxes do pay small amounts for gas, alcohol and tobacco taxes nwhich will be a drop in the healthcare bill.
    Err wrong. Taxes paid to states are relevant as states contribute to federal funding. California tends to flip the bill for other states like those in the South so those in the South can have their benefits. Pay attention to my post again. Nearly 28% of the 46 -47% do pay some form of federal tax, being payroll taxes. 10% are the elderly... I hope they aren't being made a target by that illogical argument.

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    Re: I wish I was American, so I could vote against the GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    You are utterly mistaken thinking that drug companies would stop investing in new drugs.

    Your vision of a dystopian society where only the very wealthy and the party apparatchiks are able to afford drugs and health care is bone chilling and depressing in its wilful ignorance. There is no reason why the US cannot enjoy the same high quality of healthcare as the other industrialized western countries....why you are desperate to only have a system that supports the bottom line for the global pharma industry and the insurance companies is utterly beyond me.
    Abs-freaking-loutely. Many new medical technologies and advancements are coming from countries with universal health care systems. Japan and England for example have been on the forefront of vaccination development. Medical technology has come from these advanced countries... and America has continued to fall behind.

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    Re: I wish I was American, so I could vote against the GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Err wrong. Taxes paid to states are relevant as states contribute to federal funding. California tends to flip the bill for other states like those in the South so those in the South can have their benefits. Pay attention to my post again. Nearly 28% of the 46 -47% do pay some form of federal tax, being payroll taxes. 10% are the elderly... I hope they aren't being made a target by that illogical argument.
    Payroll taxes do not count as they go into a separate fund and are paid out as social security. They will not fund the Obama care promise to pay for insurance for those who cannot afford. Nor do any state taxes go toward that promise. States partially fund medicaid.

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    Re: I wish I was American, so I could vote against the GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Payroll taxes do not count as they go into a separate fund and are paid out as social security. They will not fund the Obama care promise to pay for insurance for those who cannot afford. Nor do any state taxes go toward that promise. States partially fund medicaid.
    Not correct.

    Look at the links I provided and that's where your argument has not been backed up. Please look at that articles I posted.

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    Re: I wish I was American, so I could vote against the GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    The Tax Policy Center reported 46% paid no federal income tax in 2011; the year before it was 48%.
    The 46 or 47 percent is of FILERS. Millions of Americans do not file returns, either because they do not have enough income or their income is in cash. Criminals do not file or pay. Nor many of the underground economy who are paid in cash. Handymen, lawnmowers, etc.

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    Re: I wish I was American, so I could vote against the GOP

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-...chen-photo-op/ - What a fake ass poser Ryan is... Paul RYan showed up to a soup kitchen he was not authorized to be at, cleaned dishes that were already clean and had a photo taken so he can use it for propaganda purposes. The charity President stated this fake ass had no business being there.

    Another reason I wouldn't vote for the GOP either... the dishonesty is disgusting.

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    Re: I wish I was American, so I could vote against the GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...ral-taxes.html

    Sure but a majority of them still paid payroll taxes. 28% of them worked and paid payroll taxes (thus still contributing to the system).

    http://biztaxlaw.about.com/od/payrol...prtaxes411.htm (For more information)

    10% of those who did not pay federal taxes are the ELDERLY (prominent republican voting bloc... or so we think). 7% are those who didn't work at all. Republicans have tried painting the 46-47% as being lazy and not contributing... but they clearly do pay taxes in one form or another (payroll taxes [federally collected], sales tax [state level], property tax, and/or other taxes).

    So it's not looking at the entire picture. Most non-payers are in conservative states as said with high poverty rates... one can refer to the NYTimes article. However, many of the 47% still paid the federal government taxes in one form or another.
    None of that is terribly relevant to my post providing the documentation you asserted was lacking.

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    Re: I wish I was American, so I could vote against the GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by star-warrior View Post
    Before the NHS was founded, you had to have money to see a doctor, and if you didn't you did without. If this the type of society you champion, where the vulnerable die from treatable medical problems just because they're poor? This is what the UK government does for its citizens, they make affordable healthcare possible for the majority of the people rather than just for those who can afford to pay for health care. Our direct and indirect taxes make that possible, so don't tell me people who don't pay income tax are scroungers, they're actually paying for it indirectly in other ways.
    Benvolio is obviously a Darwinian, seeking a society that runs like a jungle so that the weak can be weeded out.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: I wish I was American, so I could vote against the GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Benvolio is obviously a Darwinian, seeking a society that runs like a jungle so that the weak can be weeded out.
    I didn’t realize Darwinism proposed such goal-oriented objectives. It seems to me that as weak organisms are removed, the food chain becomes more and more difficult to sustain – certainly with respect to the predator species.

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    Re: I wish I was American, so I could vote against the GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    I didn’t realize Darwinism proposed such goal-oriented objectives. It seems to me that as weak organisms are removed, the food chain becomes more and more difficult to sustain – certainly with respect to the predator species.
    Social Darwinism was the belief that those who are at or reach the top of society are plainly most fit, and therefore nothing should be done for the rest, to let the weak and unfit die off. It is basically a philosophy that says that politicians and the wealthy are fit for life, and the others have to fend for themselves in the social jungle. Some adherents argued that it is best for humanity to keep wages and benefits low, and that such a course makes a nation stronger.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: I wish I was American, so I could vote against the GOP

    I don't think Darwinism has much to do with things here. It comes to the base human instinct of selfishness.

    Many voters who disagree with taxation for funding programs that promote health and welfare in the population have a sense of indignation that this is imposed upon them by government. The welfare of others is not their concern, and whether others live or die is of no consequence to them.

    Unless they find themselves in dire straits themselves.

    So Benvolio, if you find yourself one day with little or no money, and needing medical attention, what will you do? Would you rather have lived in the UK or the US?


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    The US has medicaid for those with little or no money. If the US had adopted socialized medicine when the UK did, CTscans, MRIs, angioplarties, stents, PET scans, etc etc and hundreds of other developments would not exist. Even if someone had the idea, the money to perfect it would not have been there. Even in countries like the UK, developers need the US market to justify the big investments.

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    Re: I wish I was American, so I could vote against the GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    The US has medicaid for those with little or no money. If the US had adopted socialized medicine when the UK did, CTscans, MRIs, angioplarties, stents, PET scans, etc etc and hundreds of other developments would not exist. Even if someone had the idea, the money to perfect it would not have been there. Even in countries like the UK, developers need the US market to justify the big investments.
    Wrong. CTscans, MRIs, angioplarties, stents, PET scans, and even angioplasty, would have been paid for by the government. The money would have come from taxes. And since there would be no need to wine and dine doctors to drive "sales" instead of medicine, we'd probably also have had nanotechnology removing tumours one cancerous cell at a time. And the tax costs would be less than the premiums and profit margins that people are now forced to pay.

    Btw you should read up on the history of those technologies so you get over the notion that they're uniquely or essentially American.
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    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Re: I wish I was American, so I could vote against the GOP

    So, tell us which of those technologies were brought to availabilty in countries with socialized medicine? It is easy to say the government will fund research, but they tend to focus on the need to keep casts down.

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    Re: I wish I was American, so I could vote against the GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    So, tell us which of those technologies were brought to availabilty in countries with socialized medicine? It is easy to say the government will fund research, but they tend to focus on the need to keep casts down.
    I just want to know about angioplarties


    ...those sound interesting

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    Re: I wish I was American, so I could vote against the GOP

    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Wrong. CTscans, MRIs, angioplarties, stents, PET scans, and even angioplasty, would have been paid for by the government. The money would have come from taxes. And since there would be no need to wine and dine doctors to drive "sales" instead of medicine, we'd probably also have had nanotechnology removing tumours one cancerous cell at a time. And the tax costs would be less than the premiums and profit margins that people are now forced to pay.

    Btw you should read up on the history of those technologies so you get over the notion that they're uniquely or essentially American.
    Definitely -- the core work on most of those was done at the terribly socialist institution called NASA... so they were paid for by the government. Private work refined them.

    Most people are unaware of just how much came and continues to come from the space program. We've gotten better welding techniques, improved imaging techniques, advances in shoe design, better food storage, and a whole host of other things people use without even thinking about it -- even hang gliders and parafoils can be traced back to the space program. But one of the biggest areas has been medical -- enough so that if NASA could have patented all the medical plus all the electronics inventions for the space program, it wouldn't need to be tax-supported any longer.

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    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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