The Debate Thread

[chance1]

He's winning, unequivocally.

LOL

he's clint eastwood from the RNC WITHOUT THE LAUGHS

[Jack Springer]

Biden needs to visit the Debbie Boone clinic ... turkey neck.

[CTF]

Ryan: "Our church shouldn't have to sue our Government to protect religious liberties."

Biden: "I refuse to impose my Church's doctrine on other Christians, or those of other faiths."

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Biden needs to visit the Debbie Boone clinic ... turkey neck.

Looks like that GEICO Lizard huh?

Oh, and Al Gore is FAT!

[GiancarloC]

Ryan: "Our church shouldn't have to sue our Government to protect religious liberties."

Biden: "I refuse to impose my Church's doctrine on other Christians, or those of other faiths."

Obama should take note at this... this is how you DEBATE... or rather pull the rug from under your opponent.

[Jack Springer]

Biden has quieted down. it's 9:20 now -- must be past his bedtime.

He run out of steam.

[chance1]

ryan is calm and composed

biden is not

[chance1]

biden is bad mouthing scalia - LOL

[GiancarloC]

Biden quieted down? Yeah, he's done enough damage to the little guy... no need to inflict more embarrassment.

Winner tonight? Biden. He's Irish? He should have a drink after this one and celebrate.

[chance1]

ryan "was there a litmus test on them?" to biden

great line

[GiancarloC]

"Oh, now you're Jack Kennedy," Biden said, rolling his eyes and continuing to evoke memories of the '88 debate, during which Bentsen told Quayle, "Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy, I knew Jack Kennedy, Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy."

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/b...-election.html

Ouch... talk about mopping the floor with the guy that wrote speeches for other politicians... I wonder if a gay sex scandal is in Ryan's future... cause I'm not sure if writing speeches is all he did.

[Spiff]

Biden has quieted down.

Talking about economics is one thing. But switching to personally sensitive issues like religion and abortion, Biden has the sense to control is political passion. Pay attention next time to the topics.

[chance1]

looks like listless obama has morphed into crazy joe

each should have been somewhere in the middle

what a duo

[Jack Springer]

Ryan is cleaning up ... listing the failures and broken promises of Obama.

Biden responds with typical untrue talking points.

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Talking about economics is one thing. But switching to personally sensitive issues like religion and abortion, Biden has the sense to control is political passion. Pay attention next time to the topics.

That was before religion was introduced.

[chance1]

obama is about speeches not leadership

love it

mitt is bipartisan

ryan is killing it

[GiancarloC]

Ryan is cleaning up ... listing the failures and broken promises of Obama.

Biden responds with typical untrue talking points.

Ryan hasn't done squat... and he hasn't even brought substance... asides from that dorky hair cut.

Biden destroyed him tonight... time and time again... cause Ryan is no Jack Kennedy.

This is what happens when you field a political veteran against a novice I could probably outdo in a debate.

[archive]

In one thread, you can see who the unbiased posters are. Obama got crushed and Ryan is got his ass handed to him. Anything other opinion is just uncivilized.

[Jack Springer]

Biden is complaining about not getting enough time -- he's actually had more at this point than Ryan ... more than a minute.

[chance1]

In one thread, you can see who the unbiased posters are. Obama got crushed and Ryan is got his ass handed to him. Anything other opinion is just uncivilized.

LOL

if you're into anger, laughter and interruption ........ after obama's lifeless performance i guess you're right

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

Ryan is cleaning up ... listing the failures and broken promises of Obama.

In our next exhibit folks, you see the difference between the "left" and the "right."

Those of us on the left saw that Obama lost the debate with Mitt Romney and admitted it. Those on the right will not be able to admit that Joe Biden won this round, no matter what.

just watch......

[Jack Springer]

Whenever I hear a politician say "I won't rest" I automatically assume he is lying.

[GiancarloC]

In one thread, you can see who the unbiased posters are. Obama got crushed and Ryan is got his ass handed to him. Anything other opinion is just uncivilized.

Well I don't think Obama got crushed... he brought the facts, but just didn't convey the message well. Romney was doing his used car sales man schtick. Even Obama said he was too nice to Romney... I hope he lets his inner pitbull out. I know he has it.

But yeah, Ryan did get his ass handed to him a silver platter. I really HOPE that Obama is taking notes from good old Joe tonight.

[White Eagle]

Ryan hasn't done squat... and he hasn't even brought substance... asides from that dorky hair cut.

Biden destroyed him tonight... time and time again... cause Ryan is no Jack Kennedy.

This is what happens when you field a political veteran against a novice I could probably outdo in a debate.

Is that why they call him Eddie Munster?

[Jack Springer]

CNN calls it a draw.

[gewhite3]

Ryan's closing was listless, plastic and fake. I didn't believe a word of it.

[chance1]

Closing:

Biden just thanked Martha - after treating her badly - unbelievable - he's asking to ignore his actions and accept his words

he keeps calling him "my friend" - now making it personal - Ryan has attacked his mother, etc.



Ryan's turn:
a big choice
what kind of country are we going to be - to give our kids
obama had his chance - made his choices
it's not working
23% not working
this is not what a real recovery looks like

mitt's qualities are a good fit for what ails us

we need jobs - mitt is a businessman

good contrast - 2 styles

[chance1]

In our next exhibit folks, you see the difference between the "left" and the "right."

Those of us on the left saw that Obama lost the debate with Mitt Romney and admitted it. Those on the right will not be able to admit that Joe Biden won this round, no matter what.

just watch......

the moderator was great btw

biden is a good man - he just has no control over himself - which is a problem to have as a vp

[GiancarloC]

CNN calls it a draw.

Malarkey. Biden killed this one...

[Jack Springer]

^^^

but did you feel that tingle up your leg when Biden gave his closing remarks?

[chance1]

CNN calls it a draw.

well everyone knows they're a right wing machine

ooops

LOL

[chance1]

david gergen says ryan was more presidential

that biden was condescending - eye rolling

gloria borger said the same

[Jack Springer]

In our next exhibit folks, you see the difference between the "left" and the "right."

Those of us on the left saw that Obama lost the debate with Mitt Romney and admitted it. Those on the right will not be able to admit that Joe Biden won this round, no matter what.

just watch......

Not sure anyone won. It you call a winner by someone interrupting, yeahing, and being rude -- I guess Biden won.

However, Ryan kept his cool.

Obama/Biden has failed to get the economy going again ... it's time for change.

[AngolaZee]

Quote of the day: I mean what I say

[chance1]

style matters

condescending smirking laughing

matters

paul begala says it's nonsense - paul begala is a joke

van jones says paul ryan did well - held his own

but says he opened up 2 things:

abortion
military

[chance1]

van jones says dems needed biden to be strong and he was

repub strategist says there was more foreign policy than u.s. economy

[GiancarloC]

Not sure anyone won. It you call a winner by someone interrupting, yeahing, and being rude -- I guess Biden won.

However, Ryan kept his cool.

Obama/Biden has failed to get the economy going again ... it's time for change.

Time for a change to what?

The economy did get going and is growing. What is this? The Soviet Union? DO we instate 5 year plans to get the economy going? Since when was the President in charge of the private sector?

Biden hit the home run... lets not dodge reality. He wasn't being rude. He brought something called substance.

[chance1]

stephanie cutter from obama campaign is on

"it's a decisive win" for obama campaign - yawn

she thinks his condescension and sighing and laughing is just joe being joe - LOL

[Jack Springer]

Bottom line -- if the Obama campaign doesn't say they won tonight (whether they did or not) they lose the election by not regaining their former momentum.


SPIN, SPIN, SPIN

[chance1]

Bottom line -- if the Obama campaign doesn't say they won tonight (whether they did or not) they lose the election by not regaining their former momentum.

stephanie cutter who admitted sheepishly that the $5T debt thing was a lie ....... is now saying BIG WIN for Obama team

wolf is now putting her feet to the fire about her earlier comments that said that the libya investigation is romney led

[GiancarloC]

Bottom line -- if the Obama campaign doesn't say they won tonight (whether they did or not) they lose the election by not regaining their former momentum.

Biden did win... and it's obvious to many analysts he did. I already have some confident emails from the Democratic Party already...

[chance1]

yeah the "my friend" that biden used ............ was sorta lame

calls him "my friend"

reince preibus said biden interrupted ryan 82x

reince is a tool btw

cnn is making fun of the "my friend" thing

it's pretty fucking funny

take away from independent voters in virginia

dead heat

1/3 biden
1/3 ryan
1/3 even

I call it a solid draw. It was a real debate, which is rare. And that was only made possible from each side being equally as prepared. Joe gave his passionate best; the middle class base wouldn't have it any other way. Ryan held his ground in a noble, calmer manner (strangely the same trait that everyone criticized Obama for). Each of them were condescending occasionally. I did like how Ryan looked into the camera for his closing remarks; I wish Joe did that instead of looking at the moderator. Martha was a great moderator, although she focused a tad too much on foreign policy especially for a VP debate.

Joe Biden is a great man - with a great personal story - why he insisted on the eye rolling, laughing and smirking - and treating paul personally badly - is a mystery

i love passion but he takes it too far - my sense is people are sorta used to it so him doing it is lessened

ryan did great - especially on foreign policy where i thought he would be weak

he talked a lot about mitt romney - did a good surrogate job

i think ryan won because he managed his facts well and he was the much better presenter - much nicer guy

seems that the democratic play is just to be angry and mean and make things personal

Both have been complete theater. I Think preseidential debates are a waste of time, just like most of the political threads In CEP. We all know who we are voting for, and I'm tired of these so called indecisives. If you have ever been to a real debate, all four would have lost. All their words do is color their history they have already established while governing. If you or anyone else can't see that, there's no reason to even have a discussion.

i read that there are so few undecideds ..... but then why did the polls shift so much after the first debate??

so i hear u

but i actually really enjoyed tonite

i LIKE Biden - as a man - my guess is he felt he had to be extra juiced to offset Obama debate 1

Ryan's foreign policy fluency (gloria borger's word) did surprise me

CNN is pretty good chat tonight -- both sides.

van jones is really good

begala is a cartoon character - the rest of the panel hates him it appears

48-44 ryan wins per cnn

within the error margin

Paul Begala is on CNN for no reason

he's just a partisan mess that no one on the panel or at home can stand

[Jack Springer]

Biden did win... and it's obvious to many analysts he did. I already have some confident emails from the Democratic Party already...

al Jazerra network?

Giancarlo -- they (the DNC) has to say Biden won, they have no choice -- they cannot accept two failures

[GiancarloC]

al Jazerra network?

Giancarlo -- they (the DNC) has to say Biden won, they have no choice -- they cannot accept two failures

Well.. the republican party seems content accepting two failures to run for office... one with a disgustingly bad record as governor of Massachusetts... and the other a schoolboy who got schooled in a debate and wrote speeches for a living.

Oh guys there is evidence Obama is bouncing back in both Virginia and Ohio... he's gaining leads there.

[Jack Springer]

Current TV must have kicked the boss off their after-debate chat.

Guess there won't be any comments about the altitude in Kentucky.

[RazorzEdge88]

I already have some confident emails from the Democratic Party already...

Well that settles it. LOL!

[Sausy]

stephanie cutter who admitted sheepishly that the $5T debt thing was a lie ....... is now saying BIG WIN for Obama team

wolf is now putting her feet to the fire about her earlier comments that said that the libya investigation is romney led

Biden's outright unbelievable answers on Libya throwing the intelligence community under the bus show he'll say anything to cover Obama's ass. I wanted to bitch smack Biden for the grade A jerk smirkfest he perpetrated on the American public tonight. CNN called this contest a draw, which I gather means at least the Democratic participant showed up this time and didn't look like he really didn't want to be there. Of course, Biden demagogued a number of times and he was classless for the most part trying to condescend to Ryan with the the belittling smirking and facemaking.

[GiancarloC]

Biden's outright unbelievable answers on Libya throwing the intelligence community under the bus show he'll say anything to cover Obama's ass. I wanted to bitch smack Biden for the grade A jerk smirkfest he perpetrated on the American public tonight. CNN called this contest a draw, which I gather means at least the Democratic participant showed up this time and didn't look like he really didn't want to be there. Of course, Biden demagogued a number of times and he was classless for the most part trying to condescend to Ryan by the belittling smirking and facemaking.

What does he have to cover? What did they do wrong? They didn't lie about Libya. Who were the ones who cut embassy security? CONGRESS. You wanted to bitch smack the wrong guy... the only one who was smirking was Eddie Munster over there. CNN called this a draw? Other analysts say Biden won. Time to catch up with reality. Biden brought substance and facts... I guess those are two very frightening things. Ryan couldn't even get out of that little fucking box he was stuck in all night.

[Jack Springer]

^^^

Giancarlo -- you need to block those emails from the DNC. You're a smart guy -- think for yourself.

You've not been listening to the news regarding the coverup in Libya.

[Spiff]

I call it a solid draw. It was a real debate, which is rare. And that was only made possible from each side being equally as prepared. Joe gave his passionate best; the middle class base wouldn't have it any other way. Ryan held his ground in a noble, calmer manner (strangely the same trait that everyone criticized Obama for). Each of them were condescending occasionally. I did like how Ryan looked into the camera for his closing remarks; I wish Joe did that instead of looking at the moderator. Martha was a great moderator, although she focused a tad too much on foreign policy especially for a VP debate.

[GiancarloC]

^^^

Giancarlo -- you need to block those emails from the DNC. You're a smart guy -- think for yourself.

I get emails from a variety of sources... and that's a nasty personal attack. Don't talk down to me like I'm some schoolboy like that asshat Ryan.

You've not been listening to the news regarding the coverup in Libya.

What cover up is that? Keep the faux outrage to another thread.

[archive]

LOL

if you're into anger, laughter and interruption ........ after obama's lifeless performance i guess you're right

Both have been complete theater. I Think preseidential debates are a waste of time, just like most of the political threads In CEP. We all know who we are voting for, and I'm tired of these so called indecisives. If you have ever been to a real debate, all four would have lost. All their words do is color their history they have already established while governing. If you or anyone else can't see that, there's no reason to even have a discussion.