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    Re: The Debate Thread

    andrew sullivan, gay activist and liberal columnist says that Pres. Obama may have lost the election last night

    http://www.sodahead.com/united-state...stion-3219369/

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    Re: The Debate Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    andrew sullivan, gay activist and liberal columnist says that Pres. Obama may have lost the election last night

    http://www.sodahead.com/united-state...stion-3219369/
    Rachel Maddow had a good piece tonight on why this doesn't predict anything about who will win the election.

    Going by the press coverage after first TV debates where a sitting president faced a challenger, the record for presidents is 1-6 (including last night), meaning the president almost always loses the first debate, but half of those presidents still went on to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotatlboi View Post
    Rachel Maddow had a good piece tonight on why this doesn't predict anything about who will win the election.
    Yeah, was just watching that. She had a bunch of facts and historical examples. You know, the type of things that MSNBC haters frown upon.

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    mitt was more personable more likable than Obama last night - that's pretty shocking

    one of his really good lines after Pres.s

    "i don't have a $5T tax cut - i don't have a tax cut on the scale that you're talking about ...... my view is we ought to provide tax relief to the middle class ...... but I'm not going to reduce the share of taxes paid by high income people - they're doing just fine in this economy they'll do fine with me or you as President ......... the people who are struggling now are middle income folks ....

    under your policy they're getting "buried" (see Joe Biden) getting crushed

    then he said .....

    i know that u and ur running mate keep saying that i have a $5T tax cut planned and it's a popular thing to say but it's not the case"

    LOOK I HAVE 5 BOYS - I'M USED TO PEOPLE SAYING SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ALWAYS TRUE BUT KEEP ON REPEATING IT AND ULTIMATELY HOPING I'LL BELIEVE IT"

    not bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotatlboi View Post
    Rachel Maddow had a good piece tonight on why this doesn't predict anything about who will win the election.

    Going by the press coverage after first TV debates where a sitting president faced a challenger, the record for presidents is 1-6 (including last night), meaning the president almost always loses the first debate, but half of those presidents still went on to win.
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiff View Post
    Yeah, was just watching that. She had a bunch of facts and historical examples. You know, the type of things that MSNBC haters frown upon.
    i imagine that would be her narrative

    and i still think obama will win

    didn't he scare u last night with his inability to talk to anything? and looking down?

    and not engaging in any real debate?

    then today all of a sudden he has a pair of balls when mitt isn't in front of him?

    for me this feels like an nfl game where an average team - played a great game - and beat a more talented team

    but it's still the regular season

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    All it did was re-energize the R base. Obama did not lose any voters. Undecideds are still undecided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    I doubt if that is true, but if so, it is exacerbated by Obama's history of being anti-white. Remember his recent 2007 video rant about New Orleans, and his 20 year history in Rev Wright's anti-white church; his constant harangues against the rich--read whites--who pay all the taxes, but not yet their share.
    Lol. You might wanna take a look at Jon Stewart's piece about this. Where he shows GW Bush saying EXACTLY THE SAME THING, the same week that Obama said what he said.

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/we...e-spew-hannity

    Obviously Bush is "anti-white" too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bw92116 View Post
    All it did was re-energize the R base. Obama did not lose any voters. Undecideds are still undecided.
    that's a shoot from the hip "whatever" that just doesn't fly with the facts

    Mitt Romney accomplished in one night of debate what the marquee names of the Republican Party couldn’t accomplish in three nights of the convention: he boosted his likability rating. A CBS News poll found that the percentage of undecided voters who say they feel Romney cares about their needs spiked by 33 percent after last night’s performance:
    check out the link - the data says the opposite

    http://www.commentarymagazine.com/20...ability-boost/
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    Historically, debates typically provide short-term bumps in polls, and little else. There was nothing major revealed, no mega blunders, no big surprises, so little will change. It will energise Mitt's donors, so he'll get some cash flowing in. And hopefully it might remind Dems that they they need to pull their fingers out and work hard to win. This is NOT going to be an easy election for Obama to win - he needs to bring his A game to every debate from now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngolaZee View Post
    Wow A Harvard professor on CNN just confirmed that extensive research shows it is very risky for black men to show aggression as it feeds into stereotypes which result in the viewer at home saying "See". Hence why Obama can not afford to be seen as such. Makes it seem unlikely Obama will be going after Romney on future debates.
    Obama was plenty mean with Hillary in 2008 -- so that doesn't wash.

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    I think Obama realizes that welfare dependancy is not a good issue for him. A large percentage of the people agree that too many (other) people are recieving welfare and other charity. Many of the seniors included in the 47% figure would agree. If Obama raises the issue Romney is prepared to discuss the problem wth statistics. Recent news disclosed that 100 million are getting some form of welfare, not including Social Security and medicare. 47 million get food stamps including illegal immigrants. Romney will say again that Obama should have spent his energy helping employment instead of focusing on give aways including Obama care. I don't think Obama will open that Pandoras box.

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    I think it's hysterical how Conservatives are all happy with Romney. This guy just threw Conservatives to the wolves last night and transformed from the Far Right Conservative Candidate of the Primaries into Mitt "The Moderate" ... and not a peep about it.

    Just goes to show that it isn't about substance at all ... but rather about style and "Football Politics"-- cheering on the Home Team no matter what.
    Telling it like it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    I think it's hysterical how Conservatives are all happy with Romney. This guy just threw Conservatives to the wolves last night and transformed from the Far Right Conservative Candidate of the Primaries into Mitt "The Moderate" ... and not a peep about it.

    Just goes to show that it isn't about substance at all ... but rather about style and "Football Politics"-- cheering on the Home Team no matter what.
    it's more about the fact that here was a guy who has showed NADA since he won the nomination

    and he was better in every way last night than a sitting president

    he was more engaged
    he was more likable
    he was better prepared
    he had good energy
    he was CLEAR

    and it was pretty unexpected

    he had Obama on the defensive from start to finish

    the above is a lotta "what"

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    Re: The Debate Thread

    There have been a number of front-runners who have squandered leads due to their debate performance if you follow the historic pre-debate polls. Sometimes obviously other circumstances also played a roll.

    80--Carter lead Reagan until "are you better off..." line at debate
    92--Clinton was lingering between 2nd and 3rd place with Bush and Perot prior to his debate performance and Bush's inability to connect
    00-- Gore was ahead before stumbling in all this debates with Bush 2.

    Of course, Kerry won all his debates but still lost in '04.

    In regards to incumbents, what Maddow said above is very true which was why a month ago I posted that Romney would take the first debate. Challengers do well vs incumbents in first debates.

    But Chance1 , I must ask you if it doesn't make you uncomfortable that your man, Romney, suddenly became a free-wheelin' grandma-loving, poor people loving Massachussetts "liberal" again after two years of convincing America he was an extreme conservative? Do you not now wonder, "will the real Slim Shady please stand up?" I watched most of the GOP debates and I did not recognize that man last night. I liked him last night, but it wasn't anyone I've seen before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammie13 View Post

    But Chance1 , I must ask you if it doesn't make you uncomfortable that your man, Romney, suddenly became a free-wheelin' grandma-loving, poor people loving Massachussetts "liberal" again after two years of convincing America he was an extreme conservative? Do you not now wonder, "will the real Slim Shady please stand up?" I watched most of the GOP debates and I did not recognize that man last night. I liked him last night, but it wasn't anyone I've seen before.
    My take all along on Romney is that he's NOT an idealogue - he's a pragmatist - he's a businessman with a very good record - at a time in this country where IMO it is our # 1 need - and there's nothing close

    I HATE that he chose/had to be "severely conservative" during the primaries - I personally think if he had a "sister souljah" moment early on in the primaries and explained who he was (a moderate) and that getting the economy back was the only thing that mattered and that he would not engage in right win politics ............

    well

    he run and won in Massachusetts right? what does that tell you?

    primary politics sucks !!!

    obama WON his dem primary in 2008 by being uber liberal - does it bother u that he's not that guy?

    bottom line is he's not my fav but i think he's better suited to fix the economy than BO

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    This is the Obama a lot of people saw for the first time last night. It wasn't pretty.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    My take all along on Romney is that he's NOT an idealogue - he's a pragmatist - he's a businessman with a very good record - at a time in this country where IMO it is our # 1 need - and there's nothing close

    I HATE that he chose/had to be "severely conservative" during the primaries - I personally think if he had a "sister souljah" moment early on in the primaries and explained who he was (a moderate) and that getting the economy back was the only thing that mattered and that he would not engage in right win politics ............

    well

    he run and won in Massachusetts right? what does that tell you?

    primary politics sucks !!!

    obama WON his dem primary in 2008 by being uber liberal - does it bother u that he's not that guy?

    bottom line is he's not my fav but i think he's better suited to fix the economy than BO
    Fair response. But, do you not think in a first term he will be appeasing social conservatives? He will have to throw them some bones...these type conservatives don't see grey...you're with us or against us (kinda like ultra libs)...and he will have to bow to them.

    Yeah, primaries do bring out the crazies but they are fun.

    Interesting , I never saw Obama to be uber liberal in the '08 primaries...liberal, yes but not wacky liberal. He had such a minimal record and experience that there was very little to go on legislatively. He is about 60-70% the man I thought I was voting for....his beliefs have not been that out of sync with me (I did hate TARP) but his ability to lead and negotiate has been my biggest disappointment. He does not bend in the way that B Clinton did, making him less able to pass at least something; Hillary would have done better on the Hill. Still, I'd rather have Obama appoint court justices than Romney anyday.

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    Re: The Debate Thread

    You left out the important part...


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    Re: The Debate Thread

    Here are the specifics about what Romney will do for the economy:

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    Obama really isn't liberal; he's actually at the right end of the Democratic scale.
    Romney used a technique in last night's debate called "Gish Gallop"... look it up.
    If he tries to use the same technique in the remaining 2 debates it will backfire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    My take all along on Romney is that he's NOT an idealogue - he's a pragmatist - he's a businessman with a very good record - at a time in this country where IMO it is our # 1 need - and there's nothing close
    Our #1 need is to have a president who is skilled at exploiting people in need, for his own personal gain??

    And you believe that businessmen are what America needs. Because the two previous presidents whose experience was primarily from business - Herbert Hoover and GWB - did such a great job managing the economy.


    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    I HATE that he chose/had to be "severely conservative" during the primaries
    You hate that your party is so dysfunctional that it can only nominate candidates who are sufficiently hateful of gays, sufficiently hateful of women, sufficiently hateful of the poor, sufficiently antagonistic of science and technology, and sufficiently religiously zealous. You hate what your party represents. You hate your party's ideology. You hate the fact that the only way a reasonable person can represent these crazies is by deceiving the general membership into believing that he is as crazy as they are.

    And yet, still you support this institution.


    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    I personally think if he had a "sister souljah" moment early on in the primaries and explained who he was (a moderate) and that getting the economy back was the only thing that mattered and that he would not engage in right win politics ............
    In other words, you plan to vote for him because you believe he is something other than what he claims to be. You plan to vote for him because you think he's lying about almost everything he is saying. You don't believe that he will cut taxes on the wealthy. You don't believe that he will stop Americans from having health care. And you don't believe that he hates gays as much as he claims to.

    I wonder that you do not plan to vote for Obama because you think he is lying about wanting to raise taxes on the wealthy, about wanting to solve the health care problem, and about wanting to recognize gay marriage. You seem to judge that Romney is lying (he's actually the liberal you would prefer him to be) but Obama is telling the truth.

    And your strategy is to vote for Romney because he lies.


    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    WON his dem primary in 2008 by being uber liberal - does it bother u that he's not that guy?
    Uber liberal??? You mean the candidate that supported the health care plan devised by the Heritage Foundation? The candidate who opposed gay marriage? The candidate who said he would invade Pakistan to get Osama bin Ladin? The candidate who supported the war in Afghanistan? That uber liberal guy?


    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    bottom line is he's not my fav but i think he's better suited to fix the economy than BO
    Is it that you think the policies of George W. Bush haven't worked because they haven't been tried often enough? How many depressions does it take before these policies will finally take effect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibill1 View Post
    I think this was planned by the Obama campaign. Just sit back and let this guy spew all of his crap then come back in the next debates and make him fess up to all the bullshit he said.
    ^ I think that's the fervent wish (hope) of many of us here.

    It's all too easy to become conspiratorial about things, but for Obama to just stand there and look down at his podium while Mittens spews falsehood after unchallenged falsehood just doesn't make sense.

    And when something doesn't make sense, it's either a lie or something is going on "behind the scenes."

    Love him or hate him, Obama can be a brilliant orator that can lift a room up so high they have to look down to see heaven. That man didn't just vanish overnight in "the altitude".

    I've always said that Obama is a chess player in a town full of checker players...

    Please, Lord, let me be right in that assessment.
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    Dems play chess, while the Rs play war. To kill. Literally.

    Have y'all read about the "cheat sheet" Romney brought into the debate with him? (thereby violating the debate rules)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMajestic View Post
    Romney came to Fight last night and Obama came with the Facts....For Style & Performance Romney gets an A+ and the Crown...Obama gets an F- for taking the Nice President route and letting Romney dance all over that stage....

    The main thing I took away from last night's debate is that Romney will say ANYTHING to become President. I believe he'd sell out Ann and his children to accomplish the one thing his Dad could not....
    Well, he certainly threw his kids under the bus, for sure. He called them liars in front of everyone. The apples don't fall far from the tree, Mitt.

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    I'm just flabbergasted that there are gay people here who would vote Republican, I mean where do I start - internalised homophobia perhaps, or maybe gay rights are just not important to them jobs are. But wait Romney is committed to outsourcing jobs to other countries so that cant be it. Baffles me, because even with the economy Mitt is just hot air there is no way he could have handled the recession better than Obama based on the little of his policies that he has stated

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMajestic View Post
    You're not living in The States if you think these Debates only have a marginal impact to people that havent voted. Perception is reality to a lot of voters...
    But after that debate people were still undecided. They still want to know specifics.
    Frankly, I'm not sure why any attention is paid to the media whore undecideds. They're the royalty of campaign seasons for no freakin' reason. On MSNBC they were interviewing an "undecided voter" who voted for Obama in 2008 and was leaning toward Romney. By definition he's not undecided. If he had to vote tomorrow, he'd vote for Romney. I want the media to stop treating these morons like they're special. Most of them will wake up on Nov. 7 knowing they forgot to do something really important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua_me View Post
    ^ I think that's the fervent wish (hope) of many of us here.

    It's all too easy to become conspiratorial about things, but for Obama to just stand there and look down at his podium while Mittens spews falsehood after unchallenged falsehood just doesn't make sense.

    And when something doesn't make sense, it's either a lie or something is going on "behind the scenes."
    You're right, but the thing is we've been through this with Obama again and again. We shouted at him for not putting up a fight against the Clintons, against McCain, against the Republicans on healthcare. But again and again, he came out on top. The guy has a real knack for strategic wins. He shouldn't even be in the lead with an economy like this, but he is.
    But hey, we'll see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    This is the Obama a lot of people saw for the first time last night. It wasn't pretty.

    For the first time? Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    mitt was more personable more likable than Obama last night - that's pretty shocking

    one of his really good lines after Pres.s

    "i don't have a $5T tax cut - i don't have a tax cut on the scale that you're talking about ...... my view is we ought to provide tax relief to the middle class ...... but I'm not going to reduce the share of taxes paid by high income people - they're doing just fine in this economy they'll do fine with me or you as President ......... the people who are struggling now are middle income folks ....

    under your policy they're getting "buried" (see Joe Biden) getting crushed

    then he said .....

    i know that u and ur running mate keep saying that i have a $5T tax cut planned and it's a popular thing to say but it's not the case"

    LOOK I HAVE 5 BOYS - I'M USED TO PEOPLE SAYING SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ALWAYS TRUE BUT KEEP ON REPEATING IT AND ULTIMATELY HOPING I'LL BELIEVE IT"

    not bad
    So... one of his best lines is when Mitt told the entire country that he had completely made up the tax plan he has been campaigning on for the last year? The one line that is completely devoid of fact whatsover? The one line that is going to cost the Romney campaign the most from its gain from besting the president in this debate as the media dwells on this and keeps bringing it up time and time again as long as Mitt refuses to lay out specifics? IMO- this line was the definition of despicable...

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    didn't he scare u last night with his inability to talk to anything? and looking down?

    and not engaging in any real debate?

    then today all of a sudden he has a pair of balls when mitt isn't in front of him?
    I think you know this is ridiculous. Obama is not "afraid" of Mitt Romney... though he may be a little more concerned about him now. The truth is precisely the opposite- Obama thought Romney was a joke (to which I sort of agree), he would self-implode in typical Mitt style, and he could just run out the clock on this election- he was clearly mistaken. Furthermore, it was Obama's campaign that made the epic miscalcuation of not wanting to tarnish his likeabilty- which he didn't btw, but unfortunately Romney's temporarily skyrocketed... to suggest the prez doesn't have to "balls" to face Romney one-on-one is lunatic, testosterone-filled sports-team smacktalk devoid of reality... but I suppose we shall see in Part Deux...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sammie13 View Post
    Fair response. But, do you not think in a first term he will be appeasing social conservatives? He will have to throw them some bones...these type conservatives don't see grey...you're with us or against us (kinda like ultra libs)...and he will have to bow to them.

    Yeah, primaries do bring out the crazies but they are fun.

    Interesting , I never saw Obama to be uber liberal in the '08 primaries...liberal, yes but not wacky liberal. He had such a minimal record and experience that there was very little to go on legislatively. He is about 60-70% the man I thought I was voting for....his beliefs have not been that out of sync with me (I did hate TARP) but his ability to lead and negotiate has been my biggest disappointment. He does not bend in the way that B Clinton did, making him less able to pass at least something; Hillary would have done better on the Hill. Still, I'd rather have Obama appoint court justices than Romney anyday.
    This is dead on. Even if Romney has absolutely no conviction (which may be the case- he does seem pretty hollow) regarding gay rights/ social issues... of course he is going to have to pander to his base his first term... that's what presidents do before ironically shifting more towards the middle historically in their second term. So... if Romney is elected... we may as well take all of the immense progress on gay rights made in the last couple of years... I mean we are on the cuff of something great... and kick the bucket down the line four years (while hoping that damage moving us backwards is not incurred during those years)... and hope that Romney doesn't totally fuck up the Supreme Court balance for the next generation in terms of gay/ civil rights... but I guess it's worth the shot in the dark that the economy will magically improve ever so slightly better under his watch ... even though no economist seems to think so... based on the smidgins of a plan he has laid out... and now apparently has never heard of... which I guess leaves us at no plan whatsoever...

    And, no, absolutely nothing Obama has done in his first term has suggested in any way that he is an uber-liberal... other than support gay marriage and repeal DADT that is (heaven forbid)... he is the definition of a moderate...

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    Re: The Debate Thread

    http://apnews.myway.com//article/201...DA1MNIC81.html

    ^Bill Maher proves there's something to be gained in brevity.



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    I managed to watch about 45 minutes of the debate - it was all I could endure!
    Mr Obama appeared not to want to be there, and Mr Romney told a lot of porkies.

    Both Obama and Romney are very intelligent men. And yet, both of them are completely avoiding, or being dishonest about, huge economic issues – even when their opponent is highly vulnerable to attack. Thus, we have the bizarre spectacle of a Republican ex-private equity banker attacking the Democrat on unemployment, while the Democrat argues gamely that if we just give him more time, everything will be fine – which we all know is not true. Both men say vaguely that they will "reform Washington", when neither means it.

    Neither of them says a serious word about the causes of the financial crisis; the lack of prosecution of banks and bankers; sharply rising inequality in educational opportunity, income and wealth; energy policy and global warming; America's competitive lag in broadband infrastructure; the impact of industrialized food on healthcare costs; the last decade's budget deficits and the resultant national debt; or the large-scale, permanent elimination of millions of less-skilled jobs through both globalization and advances in robotics and artificial intelligence.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...money-politics

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    This thread is a perfect reflection of how the debates impact the voting in the US.

    All of those who have already been committed to Romney still are. Those for Obama are still for Obama.

    I really don't think that a talking heads contest influences voters much anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    This thread is a perfect reflection of how the debates impact the voting in the US.

    All of those who have already been committed to Romney still are. Those for Obama are still for Obama.

    I really don't think that a talking heads contest influences voters much anymore.
    Yes.

    It's difficult to argue that point.

    But it's that's damned 10 percent of people that are still, "undecided".

    Frustrating as that may be, I fear the election floats on these idiots that don't seem to know if they are on foot or horseback.

    These are the people that buy "Sctickey's" at 4 in the morning. These are the people that look to The Real Housewives of New Jersey and to the Kim Kardashians of the world to make up their "minds".

    It's nothing short of terrifying that there is a small but critically important of our voting populace that will make up their political "minds" based on what Ann Romney is wearing.

    In many ways, as a country we are screwed.

    In many more ways, perhaps we are getting what we deserve.



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    ^They always say that the country gets the politicians and government that it deserves, so this is probably true.

    I would have to say though, that voters who make up their mind about who to vote for on the basis of a few televised debates probably are about the lowest info voters that could exist. Particularly in this election cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    This thread is a perfect reflection of how the debates impact the voting in the US.

    All of those who have already been committed to Romney still are. Those for Obama are still for Obama.

    I really don't think that a talking heads contest influences voters much anymore.

    If I recall correctly CentexFarmer announced a change of allegiance (to Dem) some time ago.

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    Morning Joe's Joe said this morning that Obama may have had the flu on Wednesday night.

    I knew that excuse would come out.

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    Let's see what the Romneacks think of 7.8% unemployment.
    It just on MSNBC, I will try to find a link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyLove View Post
    As of yesterday....Obama now has 303 Electoral Votes, and Romney has 191 Electoral Votes.
    How did that happen? Election day is still over a month away, which is required for either candidates to have any electoral votes. Weird how everyone puts more weight on pre-election polls than the actual thing.

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    The only thing I am hearing out of the talking heads on TV is how unworkable the Romney plan is for the tax system. So much for a string showing. I guess you have to have a strong showing based somewhere close to reality.
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    I suspect now that Mitt got an ego boost from the debate, he will change his mind and agree to appear on SNL and Letterman before the election. I can almost guarantee it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    ^They always say that the country gets the politicians and government that it deserves, so this is probably true.

    I would have to say though, that voters who make up their mind about who to vote for on the basis of a few televised debates probably are about the lowest info voters that could exist. Particularly in this election cycle.
    I'm sure the Obama campaign prefers to paint Romney as they see fit

    with the media help

    a debate is not edited and not biased

    u watch listen and evaluate.

    Much more real and first hand

    so we disagree

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyLove View Post
    These are not the final numbers,
    They aren't even the beginning numbers. As of today, both candidates have ZERO electoral votes. You confuse having votes with predicted votes. Or so it seems. Voters are still required to make anything happen.

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    Pic of Obama at Wednesday night's debate.


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    Pic of Romney after elections


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    Pic of Romney after elections

    Correct. There are no bar stools in the Oval Office.

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    That's pretty funny. I don't personally think its a big deal... I'm pretty sure debates are an "open notes" kind of affair... you didn't think Romney actually came up with these things on the spot, did you? But, still... it is a little amusing how it comes across on video as if he is trying to secretly sneak these in...

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    Looks like pretty floppy thick paper ... I think it's a handkerchief.

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    During the long debate, did he ever use the said napkin, and what happened to it afterwards when he was leaving the podium?


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