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    Obama has botched the Afghanistan war by continuing it but announcing in advance the date upon which we will lose and the Taliban will win in2014. Failed to protect the Lybian embassy and has lied, lied, about what happened, and it continues. Abandoned Israel and cozzied up to the Muslims. He has dithered about Iran, giving it time to both build its bomb, but its missles and other forces as well. Obama cannot even mention Romney's honest ndoubts about the olympics without seeming very silly. It was and is trivial compared to Obama's failures.
    Romney has no foreign polocy he needs to defend. Obama has a policy he cannot defend.

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    Didn't expect to see such ardent neocon support here. Is there no safe haven left on earth?
    lol we've been infiltrated, i'm sure his account has been hacked

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    Random Observations:

    You knew it was going to be a stange night when the evening started with Mitt Romney firing Jim Lehrer ("Jim. I like you, but your'e fired"). Maybe that's what threw Jim off his game.

    Even more bizarre is Al Gore blaming Obama's lack of a pulse on the high altitude. SIGH

    Amazing that John Kerry played the role this week in practice as Romney. Obama clearly misunderstood the class assignment because he came out acting LIKE the boring Kerry of '04.

    I vote for Bill Clinton to play Romney in future rehearsals. He would be good at that, and fire up Obama...maybe. There were a few times last night, especially when Obama was mumbling stuff about his healthcare plan, that I wished he'd invite Bill to come on stage to explain it for people. Clinton is far better at discussing the advantages of ObamaCare than it's author.

    Romney was a damn good Democrat last night. Reminds of of a group of friends in '96 who said after the debate that Clinton was a better Repub that night than Dole. A good debate performance (not necessarily substance) can really move the dial. Romney never got ideaological, but talked in vague terms that seemed true enough on issues that people could relate.

    Frustrating to see Obama defending positions today that he was rather muted on last night. Reminds me of a kid who is insulted at school and has to wait overnight to come up with a good followup attack. Kinda loses its impact.

    I think Obama will come storming back in the remaining debates.

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    No benvolio. Obama did not fail in that regard. Afghanistan was a lost cause the moment the US got involved in Iraq. There is no evidence that it would have succeeded. Afghanistan is a terrible place for foreign powers. We can hope the Afghanis hold the capital and harvest the bauxite and copper reserves in the north. Afghanistan has the largest copper reserves rivaled only by Chile. As far as the Libyan consulate (not embassy.. Fact check please)... There is no evidence the administration is at fault. Obama presided over a time of a power shift in thr middle east, including the collapse of Qaddafi. He has multiple successes. Not failures. Republicans are clueless on foreign policy. Republicans are hated internationally for their poor foreign policy record.

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    Again, ANY initial succes Romney had will turn into a loss after his lies are exposed in television ads people watch far more frequently. Debates have a marginal impact on poll ratings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammie13 View Post
    Frustrating to see Obama defending positions today that he was rather muted on last night. Reminds me of a kid who is insulted at school and has to wait overnight to come up with a good followup attack. Kinda loses its impact..
    Good grief....Oh stop with the over-kill...Obama had rallies PLANNED after the debate and you would be complaining if he didnt address the debate to the crowds this afternoon....


    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Again, ANY initial succes Romney had will turn into a loss after his lies are exposed in television ads people watch far more frequently. Debates have a marginal impact on poll ratings.
    Most Americans do not have cable. You know Cable news is where you get the goods for all things politics... That's why you do have to show up to the Presidential debates ready for ANYTHING and everything....

    Let's hope MOSt of those 58-million viewers from last night watch the next debates...

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    No. Historically, debates only have a marginal impact, with the later ones being more important. And in this race most were already decided. And most political ads aren't on cable tv stations. I wasn't talking about political news.

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    You're not living in The States if you think these Debates only have a marginal impact to people that havent voted. Perception is reality to a lot of voters...

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    Minds were made up quite some time ago. Much of the polling only shows a marginal amount of undecideds. Most analysts say the impact on polling will be 1-1.5% and that's on national polling (at best).

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    Chris Matthews on Hardball is finishing up his show by saying

    Romney killed Obama
    Obama was unprepared
    Mitt was great

    "it pains me to say it" he said

    OMG Ed Schultz is doing a "postgame news conference" sorta Rex Ryan esque - defending his (players) Obama

    this is awful schtick

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    Funny how we are all trying to differentiate between 2 sides when they are both under the thumb of corporates. We have a false sense of freedom and choice. After the elections it is back to business as usual, corporates given free reign on tax avoidance, outshoring jobs, different forms of kickbacks, too big to fail. How can we be a democracy when Congress can be lobbied by the likes of AIPAC, NRA into taking stances that the majority of the country's citizens would not agree with. A "war on drugs" which has ulterior motives. At least the Republicans make it clear they are not interested in serving the average Joe. American corporates run rough-shod over 3rd world countries dumping heavily subsidized goods on them. This ensures that those countries will never develop the means to be competitive in a global environment while enriching corporates via our tax dollars. Foreign Aid is used for maintaining hegemony rather a genuine interest in creating self-sufficient allies and trading partners

    Noam Chomsky has long ago demonstrated who really calls the shots in this country. Same shit, different party
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    I and many others here have often said corporations control politics, AngolaZee. That's why I would like tougher regulations on corporate involvement in politics. The democrats and republicans have both let down the country in representing the people. I have repeatedly called for a Worker's Party to develop and gain strength in this country... and for a possible coalition government.

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    Charles K says that Romney had the highest negatives of any challenger in 3 decades

    when they collide with reality (the debate)

    CBS poll - 56% said their opinion of Romney had risen

    before he was Gordon Gecko

    now he's tough, reasonable and respectful

    that Obama's negative ads were dissolved and turned to dust

    Why didn't BO mention the 47% ??? possible explanation is that he was so far ahead, he was sitting on the lead - didn't want to appear "mean"

    in ohio obama has 2x the spend and in florida as well

    in virginia 60% more

    romney will be able to raise more money now

    and obama's attack ads will be neutered

    interesting points IMO

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    It is crucial that a 3rd party is established to keep the other parties true to their constituents

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngolaZee View Post
    It is crucial that a 3rd party is established to keep the other parties true to their constituents
    Third parties have never worked in the US because they are counter productive. They inevitably result in the major party least acceptable to the third party voters, being elected. Nader drained Democrat votes away from the Democrat party, putting Bush in power. Perot appealed to Republicans and Libertarians, but put Clinton into power. Teddy Roosevelt drew split the Republicans, putting Wilson into power. In 1860, the Democrats split, North and South, allowing the Republican, Lincoln, to be elected. That contrary effect is inevitable in our system and it would take major Constitutional changes to make it otherwise.

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    Wow A Harvard professor on CNN just confirmed that extensive research shows it is very risky for black men to show aggression as it feeds into stereotypes which result in the viewer at home saying "See". Hence why Obama can not afford to be seen as such. Makes it seem unlikely Obama will be going after Romney on future debates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMajestic View Post
    Good grief....Oh stop with the over-kill...Obama had rallies PLANNED after the debate and you would be complaining if he didnt address the debate to the crowds this afternoon....


    I didn't say the rallies weren't already planned. I said it was frustrating to see all the cute little comebacks and zingers today when we should have seen at least a few last night. The spontaneity is gone now....those comebacks are less clever now cause his staff had all night to work on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngolaZee View Post
    Wow A Harvard professor on CNN just confirmed that extensive research shows it is very risky for black men to show aggression as it feeds into stereotypes which result in the viewer at home saying "See". Hence why Obama can not afford to be seen as such. Makes it seem unlikely Obama will be going after Romney on future debates.
    I doubt if that is true, but if so, it is exacerbated by Obama's history of being anti-white. Remember his recent 2007 video rant about New Orleans, and his 20 year history in Rev Wright's anti-white church; his constant harangues against the rich--read whites--who pay all the taxes, but not yet their share.

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    I would be interested in hearing Bill Clinton's opinion of last night. Surely he must be a bit disappointed that his huge favor he did for BO at the convention was answered by a lackluster debate. Of course Bill and BO are two different types of people, but BO could have used a bit more of Slick's magic last night. With all of Mitt's lies, Bill would thrown Mitt's "brass" right back at his face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngolaZee View Post
    Wow A Harvard professor on CNN just confirmed that extensive research shows it is very risky for black men to show aggression as it feeds into stereotypes which result in the viewer at home saying "See". Hence why Obama can not afford to be seen as such. Makes it seem unlikely Obama will be going after Romney on future debates.
    It isn't that he needs to be more "aggressive". He just needs to be less passive. His spokespeople have been saying he wanted last night to be a "conversation" with the nation. That was the main problem. It was a debate with an opposing candidate, not a conversation with a nation. He needed to debate as if his job relied on it, because it does.

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    andrew sullivan, gay activist and liberal columnist says that Pres. Obama may have lost the election last night

    http://www.sodahead.com/united-state...stion-3219369/

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    andrew sullivan, gay activist and liberal columnist says that Pres. Obama may have lost the election last night

    http://www.sodahead.com/united-state...stion-3219369/
    Rachel Maddow had a good piece tonight on why this doesn't predict anything about who will win the election.

    Going by the press coverage after first TV debates where a sitting president faced a challenger, the record for presidents is 1-6 (including last night), meaning the president almost always loses the first debate, but half of those presidents still went on to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotatlboi View Post
    Rachel Maddow had a good piece tonight on why this doesn't predict anything about who will win the election.
    Yeah, was just watching that. She had a bunch of facts and historical examples. You know, the type of things that MSNBC haters frown upon.

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    mitt was more personable more likable than Obama last night - that's pretty shocking

    one of his really good lines after Pres.s

    "i don't have a $5T tax cut - i don't have a tax cut on the scale that you're talking about ...... my view is we ought to provide tax relief to the middle class ...... but I'm not going to reduce the share of taxes paid by high income people - they're doing just fine in this economy they'll do fine with me or you as President ......... the people who are struggling now are middle income folks ....

    under your policy they're getting "buried" (see Joe Biden) getting crushed

    then he said .....

    i know that u and ur running mate keep saying that i have a $5T tax cut planned and it's a popular thing to say but it's not the case"

    LOOK I HAVE 5 BOYS - I'M USED TO PEOPLE SAYING SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ALWAYS TRUE BUT KEEP ON REPEATING IT AND ULTIMATELY HOPING I'LL BELIEVE IT"

    not bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotatlboi View Post
    Rachel Maddow had a good piece tonight on why this doesn't predict anything about who will win the election.

    Going by the press coverage after first TV debates where a sitting president faced a challenger, the record for presidents is 1-6 (including last night), meaning the president almost always loses the first debate, but half of those presidents still went on to win.
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiff View Post
    Yeah, was just watching that. She had a bunch of facts and historical examples. You know, the type of things that MSNBC haters frown upon.
    i imagine that would be her narrative

    and i still think obama will win

    didn't he scare u last night with his inability to talk to anything? and looking down?

    and not engaging in any real debate?

    then today all of a sudden he has a pair of balls when mitt isn't in front of him?

    for me this feels like an nfl game where an average team - played a great game - and beat a more talented team

    but it's still the regular season

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    All it did was re-energize the R base. Obama did not lose any voters. Undecideds are still undecided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    I doubt if that is true, but if so, it is exacerbated by Obama's history of being anti-white. Remember his recent 2007 video rant about New Orleans, and his 20 year history in Rev Wright's anti-white church; his constant harangues against the rich--read whites--who pay all the taxes, but not yet their share.
    Lol. You might wanna take a look at Jon Stewart's piece about this. Where he shows GW Bush saying EXACTLY THE SAME THING, the same week that Obama said what he said.

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/we...e-spew-hannity

    Obviously Bush is "anti-white" too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bw92116 View Post
    All it did was re-energize the R base. Obama did not lose any voters. Undecideds are still undecided.
    that's a shoot from the hip "whatever" that just doesn't fly with the facts

    Mitt Romney accomplished in one night of debate what the marquee names of the Republican Party couldn’t accomplish in three nights of the convention: he boosted his likability rating. A CBS News poll found that the percentage of undecided voters who say they feel Romney cares about their needs spiked by 33 percent after last night’s performance:
    check out the link - the data says the opposite

    http://www.commentarymagazine.com/20...ability-boost/
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    Historically, debates typically provide short-term bumps in polls, and little else. There was nothing major revealed, no mega blunders, no big surprises, so little will change. It will energise Mitt's donors, so he'll get some cash flowing in. And hopefully it might remind Dems that they they need to pull their fingers out and work hard to win. This is NOT going to be an easy election for Obama to win - he needs to bring his A game to every debate from now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngolaZee View Post
    Wow A Harvard professor on CNN just confirmed that extensive research shows it is very risky for black men to show aggression as it feeds into stereotypes which result in the viewer at home saying "See". Hence why Obama can not afford to be seen as such. Makes it seem unlikely Obama will be going after Romney on future debates.
    Obama was plenty mean with Hillary in 2008 -- so that doesn't wash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    mitt was more personable more likable than Obama last night - that's pretty shocking
    Mitt likeable? Not even from that. His smile was deceptive... and he sounded like a used car salesman. I wonder if Mitt watched old Cal Worthington commercials or something.

    And that comment Biden made about the middle class was taken out of context. The recession of 2007/08 damaged the middle class heavily, and the White House has tried to push a recovery. Mitt Romney lied on numerous matters, and outright lies on the economy and on health care as pointed out by Politifact (which wasn't done completing that article I posted I must noted). Obama was more truthful. I guess truthful doesn't always mean convincing.

    People need to have their sugarcoated donuts sometimes. And likability ratings won't convert into direct rating bumps. In fact, they may like him for a while and that could erode fast. The 47% video will never get old. The video was played at the right time... it'll haunt him for the next month.

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    I think Obama realizes that welfare dependancy is not a good issue for him. A large percentage of the people agree that too many (other) people are recieving welfare and other charity. Many of the seniors included in the 47% figure would agree. If Obama raises the issue Romney is prepared to discuss the problem wth statistics. Recent news disclosed that 100 million are getting some form of welfare, not including Social Security and medicare. 47 million get food stamps including illegal immigrants. Romney will say again that Obama should have spent his energy helping employment instead of focusing on give aways including Obama care. I don't think Obama will open that Pandoras box.

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    I think it's hysterical how Conservatives are all happy with Romney. This guy just threw Conservatives to the wolves last night and transformed from the Far Right Conservative Candidate of the Primaries into Mitt "The Moderate" ... and not a peep about it.

    Just goes to show that it isn't about substance at all ... but rather about style and "Football Politics"-- cheering on the Home Team no matter what.
    Telling it like it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    I think it's hysterical how Conservatives are all happy with Romney. This guy just threw Conservatives to the wolves last night and transformed from the Far Right Conservative Candidate of the Primaries into Mitt "The Moderate" ... and not a peep about it.

    Just goes to show that it isn't about substance at all ... but rather about style and "Football Politics"-- cheering on the Home Team no matter what.
    it's more about the fact that here was a guy who has showed NADA since he won the nomination

    and he was better in every way last night than a sitting president

    he was more engaged
    he was more likable
    he was better prepared
    he had good energy
    he was CLEAR

    and it was pretty unexpected

    he had Obama on the defensive from start to finish

    the above is a lotta "what"

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    Re: The Debate Thread

    There have been a number of front-runners who have squandered leads due to their debate performance if you follow the historic pre-debate polls. Sometimes obviously other circumstances also played a roll.

    80--Carter lead Reagan until "are you better off..." line at debate
    92--Clinton was lingering between 2nd and 3rd place with Bush and Perot prior to his debate performance and Bush's inability to connect
    00-- Gore was ahead before stumbling in all this debates with Bush 2.

    Of course, Kerry won all his debates but still lost in '04.

    In regards to incumbents, what Maddow said above is very true which was why a month ago I posted that Romney would take the first debate. Challengers do well vs incumbents in first debates.

    But Chance1 , I must ask you if it doesn't make you uncomfortable that your man, Romney, suddenly became a free-wheelin' grandma-loving, poor people loving Massachussetts "liberal" again after two years of convincing America he was an extreme conservative? Do you not now wonder, "will the real Slim Shady please stand up?" I watched most of the GOP debates and I did not recognize that man last night. I liked him last night, but it wasn't anyone I've seen before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammie13 View Post

    But Chance1 , I must ask you if it doesn't make you uncomfortable that your man, Romney, suddenly became a free-wheelin' grandma-loving, poor people loving Massachussetts "liberal" again after two years of convincing America he was an extreme conservative? Do you not now wonder, "will the real Slim Shady please stand up?" I watched most of the GOP debates and I did not recognize that man last night. I liked him last night, but it wasn't anyone I've seen before.
    My take all along on Romney is that he's NOT an idealogue - he's a pragmatist - he's a businessman with a very good record - at a time in this country where IMO it is our # 1 need - and there's nothing close

    I HATE that he chose/had to be "severely conservative" during the primaries - I personally think if he had a "sister souljah" moment early on in the primaries and explained who he was (a moderate) and that getting the economy back was the only thing that mattered and that he would not engage in right win politics ............

    well

    he run and won in Massachusetts right? what does that tell you?

    primary politics sucks !!!

    obama WON his dem primary in 2008 by being uber liberal - does it bother u that he's not that guy?

    bottom line is he's not my fav but i think he's better suited to fix the economy than BO

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    This is the Obama a lot of people saw for the first time last night. It wasn't pretty.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    My take all along on Romney is that he's NOT an idealogue - he's a pragmatist - he's a businessman with a very good record - at a time in this country where IMO it is our # 1 need - and there's nothing close

    I HATE that he chose/had to be "severely conservative" during the primaries - I personally think if he had a "sister souljah" moment early on in the primaries and explained who he was (a moderate) and that getting the economy back was the only thing that mattered and that he would not engage in right win politics ............

    well

    he run and won in Massachusetts right? what does that tell you?

    primary politics sucks !!!

    obama WON his dem primary in 2008 by being uber liberal - does it bother u that he's not that guy?

    bottom line is he's not my fav but i think he's better suited to fix the economy than BO
    Fair response. But, do you not think in a first term he will be appeasing social conservatives? He will have to throw them some bones...these type conservatives don't see grey...you're with us or against us (kinda like ultra libs)...and he will have to bow to them.

    Yeah, primaries do bring out the crazies but they are fun.

    Interesting , I never saw Obama to be uber liberal in the '08 primaries...liberal, yes but not wacky liberal. He had such a minimal record and experience that there was very little to go on legislatively. He is about 60-70% the man I thought I was voting for....his beliefs have not been that out of sync with me (I did hate TARP) but his ability to lead and negotiate has been my biggest disappointment. He does not bend in the way that B Clinton did, making him less able to pass at least something; Hillary would have done better on the Hill. Still, I'd rather have Obama appoint court justices than Romney anyday.

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    Re: The Debate Thread

    You left out the important part...


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    Massachusetts isn't the US, and Mitt isn't set. Stop trying to claim he is because of one debate. Mitt Romney has much bigger problems... thee great majority of voters have already made up their minds. Obama was never uber-liberal during the primaries in 2008. Not even throughout the election period.

    Romney is a massive flip-flopper and he has lied numerous times even throughout the debate. It will backfire... so I would advise not cheering about his performance. Obama will bring up all the lies in future debates and speeches... trust me. Obama is a very clever campaigner. It was a ploy. And Romney took it.

    And what on earth will Romney does for the economy? Nada. He won't do anything. Obama is better for the economy. 4.6 million jobs created since the end of the recession.

    Can people provide me specifics what Romney will do for the economy?

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    Here are the specifics about what Romney will do for the economy:

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    Quote Originally Posted by bw92116 View Post
    Here are the specifics about what Romney will do for the economy:
    Omg... I'm going to change my mind now... Mittens all the way...

    You convinced me




    (Only kidding)

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    Obama really isn't liberal; he's actually at the right end of the Democratic scale.
    Romney used a technique in last night's debate called "Gish Gallop"... look it up.
    If he tries to use the same technique in the remaining 2 debates it will backfire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andysayshi View Post
    You left out the important part...


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    I love that thought cloud! It's exactly what I was thinking after the debate last night. Romney had next to nothing in terms of specifics. It's like Romney is keeping the specifics a secret til after the election. He doesn't want to debate the specifics.

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    They need to offers these at the next Romney event:

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    My take all along on Romney is that he's NOT an idealogue - he's a pragmatist - he's a businessman with a very good record - at a time in this country where IMO it is our # 1 need - and there's nothing close
    Our #1 need is to have a president who is skilled at exploiting people in need, for his own personal gain??

    And you believe that businessmen are what America needs. Because the two previous presidents whose experience was primarily from business - Herbert Hoover and GWB - did such a great job managing the economy.


    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    I HATE that he chose/had to be "severely conservative" during the primaries
    You hate that your party is so dysfunctional that it can only nominate candidates who are sufficiently hateful of gays, sufficiently hateful of women, sufficiently hateful of the poor, sufficiently antagonistic of science and technology, and sufficiently religiously zealous. You hate what your party represents. You hate your party's ideology. You hate the fact that the only way a reasonable person can represent these crazies is by deceiving the general membership into believing that he is as crazy as they are.

    And yet, still you support this institution.


    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    I personally think if he had a "sister souljah" moment early on in the primaries and explained who he was (a moderate) and that getting the economy back was the only thing that mattered and that he would not engage in right win politics ............
    In other words, you plan to vote for him because you believe he is something other than what he claims to be. You plan to vote for him because you think he's lying about almost everything he is saying. You don't believe that he will cut taxes on the wealthy. You don't believe that he will stop Americans from having health care. And you don't believe that he hates gays as much as he claims to.

    I wonder that you do not plan to vote for Obama because you think he is lying about wanting to raise taxes on the wealthy, about wanting to solve the health care problem, and about wanting to recognize gay marriage. You seem to judge that Romney is lying (he's actually the liberal you would prefer him to be) but Obama is telling the truth.

    And your strategy is to vote for Romney because he lies.


    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    WON his dem primary in 2008 by being uber liberal - does it bother u that he's not that guy?
    Uber liberal??? You mean the candidate that supported the health care plan devised by the Heritage Foundation? The candidate who opposed gay marriage? The candidate who said he would invade Pakistan to get Osama bin Ladin? The candidate who supported the war in Afghanistan? That uber liberal guy?


    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    bottom line is he's not my fav but i think he's better suited to fix the economy than BO
    Is it that you think the policies of George W. Bush haven't worked because they haven't been tried often enough? How many depressions does it take before these policies will finally take effect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibill1 View Post
    I think this was planned by the Obama campaign. Just sit back and let this guy spew all of his crap then come back in the next debates and make him fess up to all the bullshit he said.
    ^ I think that's the fervent wish (hope) of many of us here.

    It's all too easy to become conspiratorial about things, but for Obama to just stand there and look down at his podium while Mittens spews falsehood after unchallenged falsehood just doesn't make sense.

    And when something doesn't make sense, it's either a lie or something is going on "behind the scenes."

    Love him or hate him, Obama can be a brilliant orator that can lift a room up so high they have to look down to see heaven. That man didn't just vanish overnight in "the altitude".

    I've always said that Obama is a chess player in a town full of checker players...

    Please, Lord, let me be right in that assessment.
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    Dems play chess, while the Rs play war. To kill. Literally.

    Have y'all read about the "cheat sheet" Romney brought into the debate with him? (thereby violating the debate rules)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMajestic View Post
    Romney came to Fight last night and Obama came with the Facts....For Style & Performance Romney gets an A+ and the Crown...Obama gets an F- for taking the Nice President route and letting Romney dance all over that stage....

    The main thing I took away from last night's debate is that Romney will say ANYTHING to become President. I believe he'd sell out Ann and his children to accomplish the one thing his Dad could not....
    Well, he certainly threw his kids under the bus, for sure. He called them liars in front of everyone. The apples don't fall far from the tree, Mitt.

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    I'm just flabbergasted that there are gay people here who would vote Republican, I mean where do I start - internalised homophobia perhaps, or maybe gay rights are just not important to them jobs are. But wait Romney is committed to outsourcing jobs to other countries so that cant be it. Baffles me, because even with the economy Mitt is just hot air there is no way he could have handled the recession better than Obama based on the little of his policies that he has stated

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