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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    No it's not, hence FREE market.
    I'm reminded of Al Franken's brilliant take:


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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    No it's not, hence FREE market.
    And they will tell you that a minimum level of regulation to ensure that playing field stays level is ESSENTIAL to having a FREE market. Otherwise it is not a free market.
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    Bullshit..........
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    Romney is trying to sprint for the middle as fast as his little heels can carry him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Bullshit..........
    The laissez faire principle expresses the preference for an absence of non-market pressures on prices such as those from government taxes, subsidies, tariffs, regulation (other than protection from coercion and theft), or government-granted or coercive monopolies.
    Wikipedia: Free Market

    Most definitions of free market capitalism include a minimal of regulation for no other reason that to ensure the playing field stays level by preventing coercion and theft. Free market refers to limiting outside influences on price and fair competition, not pure anarchy.
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    This is worse than when Hollywood tries to pretend it's made the "Best Movie" of the year.

    But let's all talk about it just the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stardreamer View Post
    Wikipedia: Free Market

    Most definitions of free market capitalism include a minimal of regulation for no other reason that to ensure the playing field stays level by preventing coercion and theft. Free market refers to limiting outside influences on price and fair competition, not pure anarchy.
    No the "regulation," they favor is about property rights and price fixing and that's all, not work weeks and pollution.
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    Re: The Debate Thread

    This format of allowing the candidates to freely interact with each other over each question seems pretty interesting but it definitely blew any hopes of time management by the host out the window.
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    I didn't get to watch the first part -- but no questions about unemployment or the economy? WTF!!!!

    The moderator needs to get a rocking chair and retire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoltanspawn View Post
    This is worse than when Hollywood tries to pretend it's made the "Best Movie" of the year.

    But let's all talk about it just the same.
    I know, it was hyped too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I didn't get to watch the first part -- but no questions about unemployment or the economy? WTF!!!!

    The moderator needs to get a rocking chair and retire.
    That was the first part
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Did Mitt just say regulation in capitalism is essential? I think he did.

    - - - Updated - - -

    For all you free market capitalists in here, how's that dagger feel in your back?
    Nope, capitalism needs some regulation.

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    Re: The Debate Thread

    The President is flailing

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    Re: The Debate Thread

    Much of the detail in Romney's closing has been repeatedly debunked by fact checking. But at least he mentioned some specifics, unlike most of his discussion this evening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thynight View Post
    Romney sounds like he is just saying what people want to hear.
    Q. What's the difference between a mathematician and an accountant?
    A. A mathematician, when asked, "What is two plus two?, he will say, "Four". An accountant will say, "How much do you want it to be".

    Willard Romney: Everyman. A president of, by and for the people.

    In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

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    Re: The Debate Thread

    This liberal Romney did pretty good. I think this goes to show you how toxic and rancorous his party's platform is when he has to not be a Republican during a debate.

    Obama didn't deliver a knockout blow or any slap downs. Romney won.
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    Re: The Debate Thread

    I don't know, the cost of getting independents for Romney means losing Republicans.
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    who won?

    not really sure -- obama looked down a lot and made some really odd facial expressions, when he looked down -- the bags under his eyes were very visible

    mitt had his goofy look on his face from time to time

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    Re: The Debate Thread

    Mitt's approach to obama on his anniversary was grand

    last 4 years

    america is not the place to start

    30 year low

    trickle down govt.

    awesome

    obama is for lowering corp tax rate????

    first i heard of it

    obama looks nervous

    Mitt looks much better

    high income will do fine whether u or i are president

    "no tax cut that will increase the deficit"

    obama is already repeating himself

    "we do well when the middle class does well"

    but biden said the other day the middle class is being crushed ????

    what the fuck?

    obama is shaking his head

    sorta al gore sighing esque

    romney is destroying him
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    Quote Originally Posted by andysayshi View Post
    Much of the detail in Romney's closing has been repeatedly debunked by fact checking. But at least he mentioned some specifics, unlike most of his discussion this evening.
    Romney made a lot of empty promises that were backed by phantom facts. Like promising all of the good things in Obamacare without any of the cost or mandates. Like saying his tax plan was not going to increase the deficit while still not raising taxes on the middle class and making a huge cut while increasing defense spending etc. But he said it well.

    The nonsense was so over the top that it got to Obama. Obama was incredulous that this guy still had absolutely nothing concrete about his plans and all of the phony math he has been espousing. And that was a serious mistake by Obama.

    The average idiot is not going to understand all of that. Obama tried to explain it and didn't do all that particularly well, since Romney just dismissed it with another empty answer.

    And so politically Romney was the clear winner. He appealed directly to the idiot in the middle that is just tuning in now. He told them a story that sounded good. He won't be able to deliver on it if elected, but he obviously doesn't care about that.

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    Yep, I hate to admit it but Romney won this one

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    If I said to you "Parliament tabled a proposal to replace the East Block with a parkade" you might not have any idea what that perfectly valid English sentence is saying. By mentioning "Parliament" you'd hopefully guess we were talking about the Commonwealth instead of the US. "East Block" is a locally specific term. Would you have any idea that refers to one of the three principle buildings on Canada's Parliament Hill? I wouldn't expect you to know that.

    I doubt you'd know what a "parkade" is either. Apparently this word is almost never used outside Canada and parts of South Africa, but I made it to my 30s, born and raised speaking English my whole life, without having the first clue that most of the English speaking world has never heard of this perfectly useful word. Moreover, I didn't even know what else it could be called. A parkade is that multi-level building where you leave your car when you go shopping at the mall. Learn it.
    I ran into the word "parkade" at the old Seattle Center where the World's Fair was once held. It referred to a stretch of the grounds with an arcade -- a line of carnival-type games -- on one side of a walkway and a park-like stretch of grass and benches on the other: park + arcade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotatlboi View Post
    Romney made a lot of empty promises that were backed by phantom facts. Like promising all of the good things in Obamacare without any of the cost or mandates. Like saying his tax plan was not going to increase the deficit while still not raising taxes on the middle class and making a huge cut while increasing defense spending etc. But he said it well.

    The nonsense was so over the top that it got to Obama. Obama was incredulous that this guy still had absolutely nothing concrete about his plans and all of the phony math he has been espousing. And that was a serious mistake by Obama.

    The average idiot is not going to understand all of that. Obama tried to explain it and didn't do all that particularly well, since Romney just dismissed it with another empty answer.

    And so politically Romney was the clear winner. He appealed directly to the idiot in the middle that is just tuning in now. He told them a story that sounded good. He won't be able to deliver on it if elected, but he obviously doesn't care about that.
    Agree entirely. On CNN they're saying the President was too "professorial", using too many numbers. But I think Obama just doesn't suffer fools lightly, and was frustrated by Romney's empty platitudes and lack of substance. (They're saying that on CNN now too.)

    Obama is, as always, a gentleman, and doesn't press very hard. Not sure if that's a good or bad thing in this context.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    JB - it is pretty freaky - I know the "source" is not one you would necessarily dig but it's obama speaking

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/02/ob...t-new-orleans/
    What the frak is "freaky" about it? You must have an awfully narrow and sheltered sort of life if you found that "freaky"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by andysayshi View Post
    But I think Obama just doesn't suffer fools lightly
    I think it's a bit more nuanced than that.

    Romney isn't a fool.

    Obama knows that.

    Romney knows that he's just telling people what they want to hear.

    Obama knows that.

    Obama was just annoyed that he decided to continue his empty promises to get elected rather than engage in a detailed policy debate. Obama wanted to use his intellect to show how much better his policies were over Romney's. But Romney still hasn't shown what his policies will be. And he's not going to.

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    Substance wise I think Obama was the winner. Romney looked amateurish but that's just my opinion.

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    Damn...Romney kicked Obama's ass. Obama looked like he was going to fall asleep. Romney brought passion while the Prez looked dis-interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I don't have a problem with skin color but I think our dear President does.

    Obama grew up in a community of elites in Hawaii -- he did not grow up in the "hood." He's a fake.
    So I suppose when I was in San Diego and speaking Spanish with the local immigrants I was a "fake".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammie13 View Post
    Damn...Romney kicked Obama's ass. Obama looked like he was going to fall asleep. Romney brought passion while the Prez looked dis-interested.
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    Romney definitely won by not being slapped down or failing utterly. I think the criticism will be unduly harsh on Obama. I did get the idea that Obama was not happy about Romney and his lies BUT you cant be sour and pissy looking on a national debate.
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    Re: The Debate Thread

    status quo is not going to cut it

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Romney definitely won by not being slapped down or failing utterly. I think the criticism will be unduly harsh on Obama. I did get the idea that Obama was not happy about Romney and his lies BUT you cant be sour and pissy looking on a national debate.
    mitt is INTO it

    where has this guy been ???????

    can't wait for morning joe

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    I fail to see where Romney kicked anyones ass and I also fail to see where he won. Sorry but no... I can't agree. Talking in generalities doesn't mean you won.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    I fail to see where Romney kicked anyones ass and I also fail to see where he won. Sorry but no... I can't agree. Talking in generalities doesn't mean you won.
    Here's an example of why Romney won.

    CNN said Obama talked for 4 more minutes.

    Without knowing that I would have sworn Romney had had more time.

    In terms of who made more sense, no that was not Romney. In terms of appearances appealing to the idiots in the middle who always decide presidential elections, he was the winner.

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    Re: The Debate Thread

    pres. obama is making excuses

    that works in print

    not in a debate

    obama is NOT attacking the wealthy

    i appreciate that

    he's talking about those who can afford to do so

    simpson bowles - the pres. should've grabbed it

    romney is right

    they're going back and forth

    it's good stuff

    "you've been pres. 4 years"

    you said u would cut the deficit in 1/2

    mitt is so ON

    it's like mitt is a different person

    LOL

    you will never balance the budget by raising taxes

    spain ???

    i don't want to go down the path to spain
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    I don't see it still. But there are two more debates. i will call this one even.

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    Well, I am back after moving this past week and watched the debate tonight. Very good night for Romney. I know a lot of people were saying that Obama didn't do well tonight. I don't think it's that Obama did bad at all ... but rather just that Mitt certainly blew away expectations.

    I think Obama is also saving his ammo though for the next debates ... so he ends strong and with KO blows as opposed to giving Romney and his team time to spin those talking points during the next few debates.

    Romney shouldn't let his guard down going forward.
    Telling it like it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotatlboi View Post
    CNN said Obama talked for 4 more minutes.

    Without knowing that I would have sworn Romney had had more time.
    It would be interesting to know the word count per candidate.

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    Re: The Debate Thread

    Just to add to what TX-Beau and others are saying above ... where was this Mitt Romney who all of a sudden cared about the Middle Class and about poor people all this time?

    The Far Right got tossed to the curb tonight, as we figured would happen eventually.

    Who knows what would happen if he would get into office, though.
    Telling it like it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andysayshi View Post
    Obama is, as always, a gentleman, and doesn't press very hard. Not sure if that's a good or bad thing in this context.
    Bad.

    He should have interrupted when Romney made his "twelve million jobs" claim, using Reagan's line, "There you go again", and pointed out that there's not an economist in the world who thinks that's possible... without the government doing at least a third of those jobs via deficit spending.

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    Did ya'll see how fast Romney's eyes were flicking? He was so damned nervous, and he had a fake smile on too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    Just to add to what TX-Beau and others are saying above ... where was this Mitt Romney who all of a sudden cared about the Middle Class and about poor people all this time?
    And government regulation.

    Romney's pitch was squarely to the idiot who has not been paying attention until now and doesn't know he's been saying the opposite for months.

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    Well isn't that the problem for everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyLove View Post
    Did ya'll see how fast Romney's eyes were flicking? He was so damned nervous, and he had a fake smile on too.
    LOL

    he's destroying Obama

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyLove View Post
    Did ya'll see how fast Romney's eyes were flicking? He was so damned nervous, and he had a fake smile on too.
    Romney has practiced being fake for years. He's very good at it, and he's hoping not enough people can see it and will vote for him.

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    romney killed obama on oil companies

    obama tried the "oil co. = bad" play

    romney says "really"

    u have provided 90 billion breaks to green energy

    oil co. tax breaks = $2B

    so obama's demonization of exxon /mobil is BULLSHIT

    "states are the laboratory for democracy"

    not the federal govt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    "you've been pres. 4 years"

    you said u would cut the deficit in 1/2

    mitt is so ON
    That's when Obama should have pointed out that Romney's friends in Congress have been working feverishly to make sure the deficit stays as high as possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    it's like mitt is a different person

    LOL
    He's always a different person. No one knows who Mitt really is. This Mitt is as big a lie as the other Mitts we've been seeing -- except the one caught on camera being honest and despising half of America, including the military and veterans and clergy and teachers and policemen....

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    I fail to see where Romney kicked anyones ass and I also fail to see where he won. Sorry but no... I can't agree. Talking in generalities doesn't mean you won.
    Romney didn't kick anyone's ass. Obama was flat and uninspiring and non-combative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyLove View Post
    Did ya'll see how fast Romney's eyes were flicking? He was so damned nervous, and he had a fake smile on too.
    I came in a bit after the middle, and that was the first thing I noticed: Mitt looked like he had a smile painted on and it was uncomfortable.

    Second thing was that the President looked sort of anemic.


    So we have a clown and a sickling.....

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    he's destroying Obama

    total destruction
    How THRILLED you must be that YOUR guy had such a good night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chance1 View Post
    he's destroying Obama

    total destruction
    How THRILLED you must be that YOUR guy had such a good night.

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