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    Re: Have Obama Haters Hit Rock Bottom?

    What a surprise - instead of actual facts, Benny just posts some regurgitated talking points from Breitbart.

    I guess i'll have to post data from two separate reputable sources:





    Well, look at that...they both match up with minimal variations. Unless that sneaky gay atheist Muslim socialist manipulated the data of both Gallup and the Bureau of Labor without anyone knowing...

    Oh, and Benny: "Hussein" means "good" and "handsome" in Arabic. It's so nice that you think that Obama is good and handsome!

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    Re: Have Obama Haters Hit Rock Bottom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    But the guys at BLS are making big contributions to Obama, proving that they want to help him.

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    We demolished this nonsense in the other thread.

    One guy gave $270.00 and the other economist who has been working under administrations since 1993 gave Obama $2000.00;
    neither of them is even involved with the unemployment numbers if you look at what they write papers on.

    As I also said...you are telling us that there are no contributors to Romney working for BLS?

    Prove it.
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    Re: Have Obama Haters Hit Rock Bottom?

    It is interesting that Joe Scarborough has a problem with the numbers, too.

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    Re: Have Obama Haters Hit Rock Bottom?

    The numbers make sense and to attack the agency that gave Obama a plagued presidency with 8 or above unemplyment for years is par for the course here with the GOP.

    If Obama could fix the numbers it would have happened a while back.

    This nonsense is what makes these threads boring and tedious. Look, this is the election we all expected, close up to the last. It's too late for Romney to pivot to the center for a win. The hand job Romney is getting from the media is all about ratings, but Romney has to have all four of the next weeks run PERFECTLY to get to where a win is within his grasp.

    The internals of the polls and the dynamics of the economy are not in Romney's favor.

    Obama will win, but it will be hard up until the last.
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    Re: Have Obama Haters Hit Rock Bottom?

    It's funny that Republicans had no problem before with the BLS's numbers or the way they gathered and analyzed the data. Now that GOP's "OVER 8%!" talking point is nullified, all of a sudden it turns out that Obama was manipulating the numbers the whole time! AND THE PHONE CALL ALSO CAME FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE!

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    Re: Have Obama Haters Hit Rock Bottom?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReadyWithReadyWit View Post
    Thank you for the thoughtful post. I don't have to "spin" the truth... and I realized going into my post that it was falling on deaf ears... noone is claiming the economy is great... but I challenge you to find me any respectable economist who would argue that things are not "getting better" compared to what they were when Obama took office... thinking otherwise is delusional. Likewise, I challenge you to explain to me what Mitt is offering that is different from the Bush administration and that tackles the the enormity (as in trillions of dollars) of the budget problem the right is so concerned about. And, just for the record, you do think the Bush administation's economic policy was a disaster, right?

    I showed you mine... now it's your turn, big boy...
    Still waiting patiently ... others can jump in too... he might need help...

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    Re: Have Obama Haters Hit Rock Bottom?

    ^ We'll all be waiting a long, long time.

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    Re: Have Obama Haters Hit Rock Bottom?

    What Bush policies do you think were a disaster? Be specific and show a causal connection. In fact, of course, his policies where very successful and we had 5 years of prosperity until the Democrats took Congress in Nov 06.
    The meltdown occurred because the Democrats forced banks to make doubtful loans to poor and minorities. Banks complied making variable rate mortgages. Then the Fed raised interest rates, many people defaulted, and the FDIC panicked and the downward spiral began.
    You cannot point to any Bush policies which caused the problem or which were disasters.

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    Re: Have Obama Haters Hit Rock Bottom?

    I don't know why I bother wasting my time doing this, especially since you're either not going to read it or just ignore it completely, but here you go, Benny. (BTW - learn to use Bing or Google)

    From History News Network
    Author: Robert S. McElvaine http://hnn.us/articles/7286.html:

    Taken, in the wake of the terrorist attacks three years ago, the greatest worldwide outpouring of goodwill the United States has enjoyed at least since World War II and squandered it by insisting on pursuing a foolish go-it-almost-alone invasion of Iraq, thereby transforming almost universal support for the United States into worldwide condemnation.

    Promoted the extraordinarily dangerous doctrine of preemptive war.

    Presided over the loss of more than a million American jobs, the worst record since Herbert Hoover.

    Misled the American public about weapons of mass destruction and alleged ties to Al-Qaida in Iraq and so led us into a war that has plainly and predictably made us less secure, caused a boom in the recruitment of terrorists, is killing American military personnel needlessly and is threatening to suck up all our available military forces and be a bottomless pit for the money of American taxpayers for years to come.

    Failed to follow through in Afghanistan, where the Taliban and Al-Qaida are regrouping, once more increasing the threat to our people.
    Insulted and ridiculed other nations and international organizations and then found it necessary to go, hat in hand, to those nations and organizations begging for their assistance.

    Inherited an annual federal budget surplus of $230 billion and transformed it into a $400-plus billion deficit in less than three years. This negative turnaround of nearly three-quarters of a trillion dollars is without precedent in our history.

    Perhaps worst of all, wrapped himself in the flag and used the horrors of 9/11 to divert the voters' attention from the disasters that his policies have produced.
    There's tons more of course, but If I copy and pasted all of Bush Jr's. policy failures, I might cause JUB's servers to crash.
    Last edited by opinterph; October 10th, 2012 at 04:19 PM. Reason: added quote tags and author's name per redistribution instructions on source page

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    Re: Have Obama Haters Hit Rock Bottom?

    I was responding to Ready Wits complaint about Bush's "disastrous""economic policies", and asked him to point our any. Please limit your discussion to economic policies and any disastrous results, showing a cause and effect. That is, please point out any disasters you think were the result of an "economic" policy of Bush.

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    Re: Have Obama Haters Hit Rock Bottom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    I was responding to Ready Wits complaint about Bush's "disastrous""economic policies", and asked him to point our any. Please limit your discussion to economic policies and any disastrous results, showing a cause and effect. That is, please point out any disasters you think were the result of an "economic" policy of Bush.
    NO

    But thanks for the advice. Obama haters have little to do with Bush. If they had any shame or cognitive abilities, they would see what they are and how unseemly their behavior appears to the rest of the nation.

    I have no doubt whatsoever that Obama would be losing to Gov Christie if the GOP hadn't spent four years destroying its brand with nothing but unbridled hatred, at the nations expense.

    Obama will win. If you are a supporter of Romney and you are an Obama hater who supported the GOP obstruction of congress, you will have to personally wear that for four more years.

    Repercussions, Gentlemen, are not just for the moochers who are our armed forces, by Mitt's definition. repercussions are for the people that made Mitt Romney's candidacy possible.

    He is the worst candidate for the office of the presidency I have ever witnessed in my life, and he will never sit in the oval office, because americans simply hate the GOP in Congress, and have NO trust for them.
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    Re: Have Obama Haters Hit Rock Bottom?

    Again, I have not heard Republicans use the word hatred against Obama. We dislike his anti business/ pro socialist policies. He does not have America's or Americans best interests at heart. That is proven by his pro immigration policies in a time of massive unemployment. Romney has been very successful at many things, and will make a great President. And, yes he will be elected.

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    Re: Have Obama Haters Hit Rock Bottom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    I was responding to Ready Wits complaint about Bush's "disastrous""economic policies", and asked him to point our any. Please limit your discussion to economic policies and any disastrous results, showing a cause and effect. That is, please point out any disasters you think were the result of an "economic" policy of Bush.

    The Iraq war of adventure. That has bankrupted the country.

    He was stopped short from dismantling social security...remember that. When he thought that each person should just be able to invest their money in the market. The one that crashed in 2008? that was near thing.

    The Bush Tax Cuts? You forget those?

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    What disaster has resulted from the three things you have listed? Iraq was not an economic policy. It raised the debt, as did the tax cuts, but was that a disaster? If that debt was a disaster thenObama's deficit spendibg is also a disaster.
    But the debt is only a future disaster with little adverse effect at this time. The Social Secuity thingy did not happen.
    You still have not given us a disasterous Bush ecinomic policy.

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    Re: Have Obama Haters Hit Rock Bottom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Again, I have not heard Republicans use the word hatred against Obama. We dislike his anti business/ pro socialist policies. He does not have America's or Americans best interests at heart. That is proven by his pro immigration policies in a time of massive unemployment. Romney has been very successful at many things, and will make a great President. And, yes he will be elected.
    give it up, dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    What Bush policies do you think were a disaster? Be specific and show a causal connection. In fact, of course, his policies where very successful and we had 5 years of prosperity until the Democrats took Congress in Nov 06.
    The meltdown occurred because the Democrats forced banks to make doubtful loans to poor and minorities. Banks complied making variable rate mortgages. Then the Fed raised interest rates, many people defaulted, and the FDIC panicked and the downward spiral began.
    You cannot point to any Bush policies which caused the problem or which were disasters.
    Ben- you cannot expect me to have a serious conversation with you if you continue to insist that the Earth is flat... noone, even Republicans, claim that the Bush economic policies were a success. You are ahead of even Romney (and everyone at the RNC) on this pivot...

    I will echo another's advice:
    1.) Go to this brand new site: www.google.com
    2.) Type in "Bush Economic Legacy"
    3.) Read articles (this one's important)
    4.) For shits and giggles, if you have time, also Google Image search "completely wrong" while you're there

    Here are a couple to get you started:
    http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2009/0...de-of-descent/
    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...-legacy/26402/

    A better argument would be, of course, that Bush inherited the dot-com bubble and that there are economic policy "lags" (which is true btw)... this, however, would unfortunately weaken your argument since then Bush would be justly held accountable for the start of the Obama presidency...

    A couple of side notes though:
    -Of course, starting a pointless, unpaid for war costing uber-conservatively ONE TRILLION dollars is relevant to economic policy...
    -Can you explain your distinction between the "poor" and "minorities" above? Since you already covered the "poor", what exactly about minorities, other than being poor, makes them a larger loan risk that you needed to call them out?

    At this point, I have supplied plenty and have received nothing in return in terms of my questions... and I am sorting looking for a give and take kind of relationship here...

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    Re: Have Obama Haters Hit Rock Bottom?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReadyWithReadyWit View Post
    Ben- you cannot expect me to have a serious conversation with you if you continue to insist that the Earth is flat... noone, even Republicans, claim that the Bush economic policies were a success. You are ahead of even Romney (and everyone at the RNC) on this pivot...
    YOUR problem is you just don't get the mantra.

    Republicans = good (ALWAYS AND WITHOUT QUESTION)
    Democrats = bad (ALWAYS AND WITHOUT QUESTION)

    Hope this saves you some time and aggravation!

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    Re: Have Obama Haters Hit Rock Bottom?

    What disaster? How did Bush's economic policies cause it? If there is any substance to the claim, you should be able to answer the questions, or leave it to Ready Wit who made the claim.

    Don't tell me to google it. i already know the correct answer: Bush's economic policies did not cause a disaster.

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    Re: Have Obama Haters Hit Rock Bottom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    What disaster? How did Bush's economic policies cause it? If there is any substance to the claim, you should be able to answer the questions, or leave it to Ready Wit who made the claim.

    Don't tell me to google it. i already know the correct answer: Bush's economic policies did not cause a disaster.
    Of course you're right, Benny. Starting a multi-billion dollar war on based on faulty intelligence and false pretenses was in no way a disaster.

    Disaster is too generous. It was an unmitigated fuck up of epic proportions. It lasted 10 years, cost billions of dollars, cost thousands of lives, hurt our goodwill with other nations, failed to get Bin Laden, and ended up lining the coffers of Dick Cheney and his pals via lucrative government contracts with Cheney's Blackwater corporation.

    The rotten cherry on the shit sundae is that Bush kept most of the war cost "off the books", so he could end his Presidency smelling like a rose and leave the next guy to deal with the bill. That's the usual GOP way of doing things: "I got mine - everybody else can go suck a big dick!"

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    Late edit on my previous statement...replace "Blackwater" with "Haliburton".

    I always get my shameless war profiteers mixed up. It's embarrassing, really.

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    Wait, he's saying that Bush's policies did NOT cause economic meltdown? There are actual non-institutionalized Americans who claim that?

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    Re: Have Obama Haters Hit Rock Bottom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    What disaster? How did Bush's economic policies cause it? If there is any substance to the claim, you should be able to answer the questions, or leave it to Ready Wit who made the claim.

    Don't tell me to google it. i already know the correct answer: Bush's economic policies did not cause a disaster.
    Ben... I've given you sources... one even lays out issue by issue... unnecessary/muddled tax cuts, poor job growth, deficit explosion, no energy policy... not to mention a useless TRILLION dollar war and a president that oversaw the 8 years preceding the worst recession since the Great Depression... even 50% of Republicans STILL blame Bush for the economic climate TODAY... that should tell you something...

    But it doesn't... because you're proud of your know-nothing mentality... you've even just admitted you refuse to accept knowledge... so what's the point? The Earth is flat because Ben says so...

    It's a lost cause... perhaps Mitt Romney was on to something... maybe you just can't help some people... unfortunately, it appears they are ironically voting for him...

    Thanks for nothing. You have contributed absolutely nothing worthwhile to this entire thread. You've completely ignored my questions and instead offered nothing but inane, distracting, unscholarly questions of your own...

    I offer the following clip as a summary of the plethora of responses to my questions regarding Mitt Romney's big ideas:

    It gets particulary enlightening around 27:16...

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    Re: Have Obama Haters Hit Rock Bottom?

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    ^ We'll all be waiting a long, long time.

    One hundred Ten thousand bottles of beer on the wall, one hundred ten thousand bottles of beer..........
    Altered for reality.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Have Obama Haters Hit Rock Bottom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Again, I have not heard Republicans use the word hatred against Obama. We dislike his anti business/ pro socialist policies. He does not have America's or Americans best interests at heart. That is proven by his pro immigration policies in a time of massive unemployment. Romney has been very successful at many things, and will make a great President. And, yes he will be elected.
    Not using the word hate doesn't mean you don't hate.

    He has introduced pro-business legislation that would have created a million jobs in one instance and nearly that in another -- and both time it was the anti-American Republicans who killed those, thereby proving they are anti-American by denying two million Americans the jobs Obama's policy would have generated.

    On immigration, Obama has almost no policy except to allow people who are actually Americans and people who would generate jobs for Americans to stay here. Again, the HGOP shows itself anti-American by opposing those efforts... again, denying Americans jobs.

    Romney has been successful at being a huckster gathering funds from every source possible, especially sucking it out of the taxpayers to profit himself and his friends -- as he did with the Olympics and Bain -- and happily taking it from Latin American terrorists and then enriching them.

    If he is elected, the projections show that if what little he has said of policy is implemented, over one million jobs will vanish in the first year and over three in the next year, for roughly four and a half million jobs gone in just two years. If he continues according to the ideology spouted by his running mate, they'll be the best friends Marxists have ever had in the White House, because that 47% will become 67% and among them will be radicals ready to stir up revolution.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Have Obama Haters Hit Rock Bottom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    What disaster has resulted from the three things you have listed? Iraq was not an economic policy. It raised the debt, as did the tax cuts, but was that a disaster? If that debt was a disaster thenObama's deficit spendibg is also a disaster.
    But the debt is only a future disaster with little adverse effect at this time. The Social Secuity thingy did not happen.
    You still have not given us a disasterous Bush ecinomic policy.
    Rubbish. Anything that costs money is economic policy.

    You've been given several disastrous policies. [Text: Removed by Moderator]
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    Re: Have Obama Haters Hit Rock Bottom?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReadyWithReadyWit View Post
    A better argument would be, of course, that Bush inherited the dot-com bubble and that there are economic policy "lags" (which is true btw)... this, however, would unfortunately weaken your argument since then Bush would be justly held accountable for the start of the Obama presidency...

    A couple of side notes though:
    -Of course, starting a pointless, unpaid for war costing uber-conservatively ONE TRILLION dollars is relevant to economic policy...
    -Can you explain your distinction between the "poor" and "minorities" above? Since you already covered the "poor", what exactly about minorities, other than being poor, makes them a larger loan risk that you needed to call them out?

    At this point, I have supplied plenty and have received nothing in return in terms of my questions... and I am sorting looking for a give and take kind of relationship here...
    If Benny read the offerings you provided, he'll recognize this:

    President George W. Bush presided over the creation of fewer jobs in the U.S. economy in the modern era than any president since President Herbert Hoover
    So with his supposed job-stimulating tax cuts for the "job creators", Bush managed to drag down the prosperity built under Clinton and set the nation up for economic disaster.

    We'd have been far better off if he'd spent that trillion blown on invading a sovereign country that had done us no harm and rebuilt all the bridges in the highway system and widened side roads suffering from safety concerns due to being built to 1940s or -50s standards. THAT would have boosted the economy... and possibly even brought us back to a surplus within a few years.

    The experience of Japan and others show that it doesn't matter who's in charge, a recession like this takes about ten years to get out of -- but the experience in Europe is showing that the policies Romney and Ryan are proposing will prolong it and make it worse.

    Benvolio, I used to stand where you do. But the facts don't support it, and as someone who believes in liberty, I have to go with what works for the majority, not what benefits the wealthy minority.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Bush started his Presidency with this country in a recession and ended it one. No wonder why that asshole can't show his face in public or at a convention. His policies are what sent this country off the financial cliff. And Obama was left with the mess.
    Calling a President an "asshole" nice ........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    If Benny read the offerings you provided, he'll recognize this:



    So with his supposed job-stimulating tax cuts for the "job creators", Bush managed to drag down the prosperity built under Clinton and set the nation up for economic disaster.

    We'd have been far better off if he'd spent that trillion blown on invading a sovereign country that had done us no harm and rebuilt all the bridges in the highway system and widened side roads suffering from safety concerns due to being built to 1940s or -50s standards. THAT would have boosted the economy... and possibly even brought us back to a surplus within a few years.

    The experience of Japan and others show that it doesn't matter who's in charge, a recession like this takes about ten years to get out of -- but the experience in Europe is showing that the policies Romney and Ryan are proposing will prolong it and make it worse.

    Benvolio, I used to stand where you do. But the facts don't support it, and as someone who believes in liberty, I have to go with what works for the majority, not what benefits the wealthy minority.
    I guess your selective memory doesn't remember that Bush inherited a recession when he took office in 2001, then 9/11 happened that crushed the economy in ways that it will never recover to what it was before.

    I guess selective memory goes with being a liberal.

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    Mitt Romney wants to double down on Bush fiscal policy which resulted in the fewest job creations in the modern economy. That alone should open the eyes of these few deluded homos who would vote for the man. Instead they shed a tear because Bush was called an asshole.


    And to refer to Kuli as a liberal is hysterical. Evidently reading comprehension is not a strong suit amongst Romney-ites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Calling a President an "asshole" nice ........
    When he was, you call him one.

    I think it's a bit excessive; personally, I'd call him a puppet.

    Or maybe a drone... so you could say Cheney was the power behind the drone.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    He was never elected legitimately. His 2000 election was not legitimate, thus invalidating anything else. George Carlin once said he wouldn't call Bush a President. He would only call him "Governor Bush". That's all. And he was an asshole who had no regard for American life.
    ... and you get upset when people say ... Barack Hussein Obama?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    ... and you get upset when people say ... Barack Hussein Obama?
    You've gotten really good at making stuff up. Is that a talent that comes with being a Republican?

    If you disagree with my assessment, please provide evidence for your claim.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    We had high employment (low unemployment) during the Bush/Republican Congress years. Job growth is not a good measure of performance because when Bush took over we had had a Republican Congress for 6 years with high employment. When the Democrats took Congress, the economy collapsed and has stayed low. Bush started with high employment and Obama started with low employment and still has low employment.
    You cannot escape the fact that the economy was best during the years the Republicans controlled Congress, from 1994 to 2007.

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    When Clinton left office, unemployment was 4%

    When Bush left office, it was 7%

    Now it's a smidge under 8%

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    Yes. Bush dampened the economy, then dumped it. If Clinton had been allowed to continue, odds are the unemployment rate would have been around 2.5% after another eight years.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    ^
    Yes. Bush dampened the economy, then dumped it. If Clinton had been allowed to continue, odds are the unemployment rate would have been around 2.5% after another eight years.
    You guys are always conveniently forgetting about the recession we were in during the last year of the Clinton Administration. Bush inherited a recession too.

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