No one has dissuaded me from thinking that the King of England should be buried in the capital of England.
They say he should be buried out in the provinces as some kind of provincial tourist attraction.
(At the site ^^ there are two perspectives of each submission.)Shortlist for King Richard III artwork is revealed
Five short-listed designs for a King Richard III artwork linking the Bosworth battlefield and Leicester have gone on show.
People can give their views by completing a form at Bosworth, Leicester Cathedral or County Hall or by visiting:
My modernist view directs me to Wolfgang Buttress' Return. But, something compels me to Michael Sandle's Requiem for Richard III.
As there a total of ten perspectives, I let you look for yourself.
http://www.leics.gov.uk/cathedralgardensThe shortlisted designs will be at Bosworth until Sunday (October 27) before being displayed at Leicester Cathedral (October 28 - November 3) and the members’ lounge at County Hall headquarters in Glenfield (November 4 - 8) with the public encouraged to give their views.
I'm afraid to say Palbert that I don't care for any of them, but modern "art" generally leaves me cold.
I've had a reply from HMG about the online petition:
"The e-petition 'Richard III to be re-interred at York Minster' signed by you recently reached 31,342 signatures and a response has been made to it.
As this e-petition has received more than 10 000 signatures, the relevant Government department have provided the following response: The Secretary of State grants licences to exhume buried human remains under Section 25 of the Burial Act 1857. Around 200 licences are issued each year for archaeological purposes. On 3 September 2012 the Ministry of Justice granted a licence to Leicester University to exhume human remains found during the excavation of a Leicester car park. The excavation was primarily to investigate a Franciscan friary but also to locate the remains of King Richard III who, evidence suggested, was buried there in 1485. The University carried out a series of tests on the remains and on 4 February 2013 announced that one set was those of King Richard III “beyond reasonable doubt”. The MoJ licence prescribes that the remains should, no later than 31 August 2014, be deposited at Jewry Wall Museum or be reinterred at St Martin’s Cathedral or in a burial ground in which interments may legally take place; and that in the meantime they should be kept safely, privately and decently by the University of Leicester. The University intends to reinter Richard III’s remains at St Martin’s Cathedral in Leicester. The Secretary of State for Justice and the University are currently defending a judicial review of the decision to grant the exhumation licence to the University of Leicester. This judicial review touches on the question of where Richard III should be reinterred. It would be inappropriate to comment further while the judicial review is ongoing.”
^ what is that white material? Plastic?
Those scruffy rough figures below look like the garish ugly figures from the 1960s Coventry Cathedral.
They all look like modern junk to me— and utterly disrespectful and unharmonious to the stone surroundings.
Where will the visitor centre be located?
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On the other hand, there were probably far more German churches that were destroyed.
Poor buildings wanted no part in the destruction.
Anyway, the old tower is still quite nice.
Last edited by Alnitak; October 23rd, 2013 at 02:45 PM.
BTW. All the Richard monumants are shite. Shurly design students could do better. Save us from all of these maudlin, derivative and unoriginal pieces of crappe.
It just so happens this architect decided against rebuilding the old cathedral. Germany has a very similar church, the Kaiser Memorial Church, which is half historic half modern.
Since York did not support him when needed, perhaps York should not be rewarded with his tomb.
Last edited by Benvolio; October 24th, 2013 at 03:56 PM.
The Yorkshire Museum is displaying a 600 year old manuscript to buttress its relation to Richard III.
Before the King's visit in august 1483, the City was instructed:Now, a nearly 600-year-old manuscript on display at the Yorkshire Museum reveals York's attitudes toward the medieval king while he was still alive. This is the first time the manuscript has been on display for the public, according to The Northern Echo.
After the Battle of Bosworth:"I advyse you, as honourably as your wisdomes can imagyne, to ressayve hym and the quene at their commyng, dispose you to do as well pageants with soch good speches as can goodly, thys short warnyng considered, be devised," read instructions from the King's secretary contained in the York House Books manuscript. The orders came in August 1483, as Richard III and his lords travelled to York.
http://www.livescience.com/40540-yor...chard-iii.html"'King Richard late mercifully reigning upon us was thrugh grete treason of the duc of Northefolk and many othre that turned ayenst hyme, with many othre lordes and nobilles of this north parties, was pitiously slane and murdred to the grete hevynesse of this citie," the York House bookkeeper recorded.
This exhibit is part of the Richard III: Rumour and Reality Festival, through June 2014.
http://richardiii-ipup.org.uk/ (contains resources, historical timeline and more))
Thanks Palbert. I'll have to get myself along to see that.
^^ You please must report back for those not fortunate enough to see it!
The reburial plans in Leicester are on hold:
it looks like an Ikea sofa
Let's hope it doesn't fall to bits quite so quickly!
Take the Richard III quiz:
Do you know your Richard III from your Richard I? Since the recent discovery of Richard's remains, we've found out new and exciting facts about him.
Take the Quiz here to determine how well you know the life and times of Richard III, history's most underrated and misunderstood King of England. Can you call yourself a Ricardian?
Well spotted Palbert. I just scored 100% with no cheating, although some of the questions are a little slanted!
100% here also. But you're correct there is a certain York slant to some of the questions.
Cute commentary on the "Brides of Gloucester," who exhibit slavish devotion to Richard III:
Happily not one of those ten warning signs applies to me. What about you Palbert? You have a dawg don't you?
My post #351 was a bit rude and dismissive. Ikea furniture is OK as it's designed for inexpensive, ephemeral living-room furniture which will be replaced in ten or 20 years.
A sarcophagus for a king should be timeless.
The great Sir Edwin Lutyens (1869 – 1944) strived to design a timeless-looking cenotaph which was free of fads and trendy doodads that'd make the thing look dated in ten or 20 years.
^ Lutyens designed for an outdoor setting but it looks timeless which I reckon the king's tomb should be.
Well whoever "designed" the proposed tomb for Leicester is no Lutyens.
With York and Leicester in court over where Richard III should be entombed it didn't seem the situation could become more complicated. Never fear:
Ha ha. Let the Leicester contingent squabble amongst themselves!
I'd have thought that Richard's next of kin "owned" his bones if anyone did. I wouldn't like to think that after my death my remains became the property of either church or state.
Just let me know.
Right, and already in 1939 - with the unforgettable Basil Rathbone in the leading role; co-starring a great cast of other famous actors: Boris Karloff, Vincent Price, Ronald Sinclair....
Last edited by Rick Ratzinger; November 28th, 2013 at 02:41 PM.
Basil Rathbone with the crown:
And some pictures more from the recommended Tower of London:
The movie is a mixture of historical drama and horror flick; with some black humor, and satiric elements....
Elizabeth II would probably be considered the legal next of kin and legal heir. Many statutes have determined the passing of the crown and crown property down to her, and establish her as the legal head of the royal family, as well as head of the COE and monarch. I have no doubt that she has the final authority if she chooses to exercise it.
By my calculation she is the 15x great niece of Richard III. A Bill of Attainder prohibited the descendants of George Duke of Clarence from inheriting his property, so it passed to Elizabeth Plantagenet, queen of Henry VII. Does that include the bones? I would think so.
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Look at his eyes and nose, they're almost identical.
A new date, 13 March 2014, has been set for the High Court proceedings.
A new date has been set for the judicial review into the Richard III exhumation licence after the first hearing failed to get under way last year.
The University of Leicester and the Ministry of Justice will visit the High Court, in London, on March 13, to argue the legality of the licence, which gives the university control of Richard III's remains.
Read more: http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Ri...#ixzz2pRtvKK2w
Thanks for that Palbert.
The Bishop of Leicester has been spouting off about reburial in his cathedral. I think it's time for the Archbishop of York to weigh in for his Minster.
News on the search for the remains of King Alfred the Great:
The commemorative artwork for Leicester Cathedral has been selected.
For choices see http://www.leics.gov.uk/cathedralgardens
The twelve panel artwork Toward Stillness has been chosen.
(The 12 steel plates) are said to reflect Richard III's final moments at Bosworth, the moving of his body to Leicester, his burial, and discovery by archaeologists five centuries later.
Thanks for that Palbert. I'm afraid I think that the "artists" responsible for those proposals should be taken out and shot.