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    The pro-York party takes to the streets:





    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-22425470

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    Richard III, who had gone three days without burial after is death, was buried in a hastily dug grave, without coffin, and probably without shroud.

    The new research is the first academic paper published on the discovery of Richard III, which was publically announced in February 2013.
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    Most of the graves in the Grey Friars church floor are neat and orderly, with squared-off rectangle sides. Richard III's is an exception. The grave is irregularly shaped, with sloping sides. It was also too small for the 5-foot-8-inch (1.7 m) skeleton interred within: Richard's torso is twisted and his head propped up rather than laid flat. The body was also crammed against the north wall of the grave, perhaps because someone stood against the south wall to guide the body into its resting place. Whoever it was did not spend time afterward rearranging the body into a more symmetrical position.
    http://www.livescience.com/34659-ric...ty-burial.html

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    York looks beautiful. I must check it out next time I'm in the UK

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    The translation from Bosworth Field to Leicester, brought forward from Post 53:

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post

    As for Richard III: "After the battle, the dead king's wrecked body had been slung over a horse, its long hair tied under its chin, then set on display at Leicester's Franciscan friary, naked except for a piece of cheap black cloth preserving its modesty, before a perfunctory funeral - 'like a dog in a ditch,' some said." (fn. 18)

    Penn, The Winter King, Simon & Schuster, 2011, p. 10, citing Davies, The War of the Roses in European Context, , pp. 4-6,
    in A.J. Pollard, London, 1995. (quoting contemporary Bishop John Morton).

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    Re: His Late Majesty King Richard III

    Are they making a movie about him yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenmoth View Post
    Are they making a movie about him yet?

    Well, there are still plenty of poor old farts in Hollywood who could play the skeleton.

    What's Billy Bob T. up to these days?

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    Apparently they now think they have found the remains of Richard III's horse............In Tesco's car park!
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenmoth View Post
    Are they making a movie about him yet?
    Already done!

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049674/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114279/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2

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    There is also a new book about his life, death, burial, the recent discovery etc. Available of Amazon: "the Last days of Richard III and the fate of his DNA"

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    Thanks but I was hoping for a movie about the discovery of his body. Sorry for not being more explicit

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenmoth View Post
    Thanks but I was hoping for a movie about the discovery of his body. Sorry for not being more explicit
    There was an interesting documentary on Channel 4 about the discovery and the DNA testing of the bones. I'm not entirely sure that the subject would lend itself to a movie, but I guess you never know!

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    I've looked for the release of the DVD of the program but it hasn't shown up that I can find.

    It showed on the Smithsonian Channel in the US.

    The King's Skeleton: Richard III Revealed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    I've looked for the release of the DVD of the program but it hasn't shown up that I can find.

    It showed on the Smithsonian Channel in the US.

    The King's Skeleton: Richard III Revealed.
    Now available only by digital download from Amazon.

    http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss...on%2Caps%2C314

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    The first peer reviewed paper by the University of Leicester team on the search for Richard III is now available in PDF format. The paper is published in Antiquity.

    http://www.le.ac.uk/richardiii/index.html

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    Thanks for the updates on this story!!

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    Yes, thanks Palbert. All very fascinating.

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    Has a final decision been made where he wi be buried? The last I read, Leister Cathedral had been designated but was being challenged by Or on behalf of York Minster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Has a final decision been made where he wi be buried? The last I read, Leister Cathedral had been designated but was being challenged by Or on behalf of York Minster.
    That's right. I believe legal action has been threatened, so don't expect an early resolution.

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    ^York Minster is supporting the Leicester claim.

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    I was just in York Minster a few weeks ago for a very beautiful Evensong. York and the surrounding countryside, with the ruins of Riveaulx and Fountains Abbeys, Newby Hall, Castle Howard and Harewood House, is a great place to visit.
    Last edited by LatimerRd; July 11th, 2013 at 07:47 AM.

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    ^ Half of my family is by way of Yorkshire. I loved it a few years ago and we had the privilege of one of the most beautiful evensongs I've ever been to in York Minster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LatimerRd View Post
    ^York Minster is supporting the Leicester claim.
    Indeed. It's not York Minster itself which is pressing for the reburial to be in York. Here's the latest:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23329424

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    You can find out more about the Plantagenet Alliance - the group claiming to be familial descendents - at:

    @Richardtoyork on Twitter

    and

    http://kingrichardcampaign.org.uk/r3wp/

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    Richard III dig: The hidden secrets of historic friary
    http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Ri...ail/story.html

    Detailing the last week of the dig; comprehensive photo of the dig with notes on particular findings.

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    Press Release 16 August 2013:

    High Court Grants Petition for Judicial Review over reburial of King Richard III
    http://kingrichardcampaign.org.uk/r3...announcements/

    News Article

    (The Justice) urged the parties to "avoid embarking on the legal Wars of the Roses part 2".
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23726011

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    Wow! An estimated one million people related to Richard III alive today. I'll have to re-examine the family tree.

    Thanks for posting Palbert.

    Leicester is a complete dump, so let's hope the judge finds in favour of York.

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    ^ I'm one of them. About 5000 people in my family are related to him. Dollars Pounds to doughnuts, you are as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unloadonme View Post
    Wow! An estimated one million people related to Richard III alive today. I'll have to re-examine the family tree.

    Thanks for posting Palbert.

    Leicester is a complete dump, so let's hope the judge finds in favour of York.
    Unraised question: Whether Leicester or York, will Queen Anne (Neville) be translated from Westminster Abby to be beside him? I realize Westminster is already chock-a-block and there would no room for Richard.

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    I'm sure I'm not related, but I think one particular JUBber looks a lot like the reconstruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Unraised question: Whether Leicester or York, will Queen Anne (Neville) be translated from Westminster Abby to be beside him? I realize Westminster is already chock-a-block and there would no room for Richard.
    I've not heard that subject mentioned. I imagine the Abbey authorities would need tbe permission of HMQ for the exhumation of royal remains.

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    Historyextra.com, the official website of the BBC History Magazine, is running a poll:

    Leicester Cathedral, York Minster, or Westminster Abbey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jupiter4686 View Post
    whs he????????????????????????
    Richard III was King of England for two years, from 1483 until his death in 1485 in the Battle of Bosworth Field. He was the last king of the House of York and the last of the Plantagenet dynasty. Wikipedia
    In September 2012 what was thought to be his body was found in what appeared a hastily dug grave.

    On 4 February 2013, the University of Leicester confirmed that the skeleton was beyond reasonable doubt that of King Richard III. This conclusion was based on mitochondrial DNA evidence, soil analysis, and dental tests, as well as physical characteristics of the skeleton which are highly consistent with contemporary accounts of Richard's appearance.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_III_of_England

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Historyextra.com, the official website of the BBC History Magazine, is running a poll ...
    Thanks for this. Unfortunately the poll doesn't seem to want to work for me, so I can't vote for York!

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    Quote Originally Posted by unloadonme View Post
    Thanks for this. Unfortunately the poll doesn't seem to want to work for me, so I can't vote for York!
    Without the embed:

    http://www.historyextra.com/poll/whe...-iii-be-buried

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    Nope, it's just the same. The page opens, but the poll section is blank. Thanks anyway.

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    In an unrelated excavation within Lincoln Castle, archaeologists have discovered a sarcophagus thought to date from around 900AD which they think contains "somebody terribly important", possibly a Saxon king or bishop.

    Full story here:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-23817713

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Historyextra.com, the official website of the BBC History Magazine, is running a poll:



    Leicester Cathedral, York Minster, or Westminster Abbey.
    I voted for Westminster in order to solve the problem once and for all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    I voted for Westminster in order to solve the problem once and for all.
    The link's working now.

    York's ahead with 55% of the votes, Leicester has 34% and Westminster 9%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unloadonme View Post
    In an unrelated excavation within Lincoln Castle, archaeologists have discovered a sarcophagus thought to date from around 900AD which they think contains "somebody terribly important", possibly a Saxon king or bishop.

    Full story here:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-23817713
    Well that's cool. I'll look forward to visiting this when we're back in England.

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    Well he also claimed to be Rex Francorum. Bury him in Dunkirk.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    An HM Government e-petition to re-inter Richard III at York Minster.

    For the mortal remains of England's last Plantagenet King, and the last King to die in battle, recently discovered under a Council car-park in Leicester, to be re-interred with due dignity and respect in York Minster. He was the last King of the House of York and it is recorded that he was popular in and fond of the North and York in particular where he was regarded with much love and affection. It will also place him geographically closer to the remains of his son, Edward the Prince of Wales, whose remains lie in Sherriff Hutton church.
    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/38772

    Closes 9/24/2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    An HM Government e-petition to re-inter Richard III at York Minster.



    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/38772

    Closes 9/24/2013.
    Thanks for posting the link. I've just signed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unloadonme View Post
    In an unrelated excavation within Lincoln Castle, archaeologists have discovered a sarcophagus thought to date from around 900AD which they think contains "somebody terribly important", possibly a Saxon king or bishop.

    Full story here:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-23817713
    That would be remarkable because Lincolnshire was part of Danish Mercia (Danelaw) in 900. At the time, England was being savaged by war between Wessex and the Danes. Why would a Saxon be buried there? Certainly no one from Wessex.
    Last edited by Alnitak; August 31st, 2013 at 05:08 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    That would be remarkable because Lincolnshire was part of Danish Mercia (Danelaw) in 900. At the time, England was being savaged by war between Wessex and the Danes. Why would a Saxon be buried there? Certainly no one from Wessex.
    That's a good point which I'm sure the archaeology will answer in due course. The dating is only approximate. If the burial was from 50 years earlier, I doubt there'd be a problem.

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    The man was a child-killer , nuff said .

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    Well, today we learned that his majesty was infected with intestinal roundworms at the time of this death and that he spoke with a UK West Midlands accent.

    I'm a little dubious of the accent claim, but the roundworm infestation seems believable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    The man was a child-killer , nuff said .
    All the proof you need.

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard III
    "I must be married to my brother's daughter,
    Or else my kingdom stands on brittle glass.
    Murder her brothers, and then marry her!
    ...
    Foes to my rest and my sweet sleep's disturbers
    Are they that I would have thee deal upon:
    Tyrrel, I mean those bastards in the Tower."

    http://shakespeare.mit.edu/richardiii/full.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    .... If Shakespeare said it, it must be true!
    History as seen by the Tudor besotted eyes of Polydore Vergil and Sir Thomas More.

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    History as seen by the Tudor besotted eyes of Polydore Vergil and Sir Thomas More.
    The Tudors were also Lancastrian through the Henry VII's maternal grandfather.

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