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    Re: His Late Majesty King Richard III

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Not all kings were buried near London. Richard has been in Leicester since 1484, so it is more consistent with history to leave him there. There is no room in Westminster Abbey or St George's, Windsor without disruption.
    Add to that the unresolved controvery over the deaths of the Princes in the Tower, Edward V, the uncrowned King, and Richard of Shrewsbury. Duke of York, for which Richard III is generally thought culpable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Really? I don't know which kings you could mean.
    Pat, Non-Windsor and Non-Westminster Abbey burials, beginning with Henry II (1154-1189):

    http://www.britannia.com/history/monarchs_burials.html

    Fontrevault Abby, France
    Henry II
    Richard I ("The Lionhearted")
    (Tombs desecrated during French Revolution)
    (Also, Eleanor of Aquitaine, wife to Henry II)

    Worcester Cathedral -- John I ("Lackland")

    Gloucester Cathedral -- Edward II

    Canterbury Cathedral -- Henry IV

    Chapel of St. Edmund, Paris -- James II

    Hanover, Germany -- George I

    Richard III -- Leicester Cathedral (not yet entombed)

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    Re: His Late Majesty King Richard III

    Leicester Cathedral now has a page for Richard III, containing a link to the excavation progress.

    http://www.cathedral.leicester.anglican.org/ (General)

    http://www.cathedral.leicester.angli...ichardIII.html (Richard III)

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    Re: His Late Majesty King Richard III

    The Richard III Society has commissioned a facial reconstruction for the skeleton -- believed to be that of Richard III -- unearthed in the Leicester carpark:

    Although the identity of the skeleton is not confirmed, the Richard III Society has commissioned a facial reconstruction, based on a CT scan taken by the University of Leicester, to be carried out by a leading expert in facial anthropology.
    ....
    The resulting reconstruction is expected to feature in a Channel 4 programme early in 2013, which will document the life of King Richard and the search for his grave.
    Press release, Richard III Society, December 27, 2012 (PDF converted to Word)

    As I assume the Society is privy to private information I expect this will indeed be the remains of Richard III.

    No portraits survive from the period.
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    Re: His Late Majesty King Richard III

    The Anglo-Saxon kings were buried various places, but most often Winchester Cathedral, as was William II. Henry I died in France and his organs were buried ar Sainte-Marie des Pres. The body was buried in England at Reading Abbey. Stephan at Feversham Abbey church.

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    Thanks for keeping the thread up to date guys. I'm looking forward to the DNA announcement, but disappointed that the King will be re-interred in as nondescript a place as Leicester.

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    @ unloadonme:

    Glad to have our reporter "on the ground" back. I imagine the DNA date is fast approaching. Hope the Channel 4 documentary is shown in the States; may have to buy a copy.

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    According to Uni of Leicester facebook page, results are out first week of February

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    Re: His Late Majesty King Richard III

    Is there a university in Leicester these days?

    We'll all be awaiting the announcement with bated breath Owain.

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    Re: His Late Majesty King Richard III

    Haha there is it's where I study.

    I'm quite exited about it.

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    Re: His Late Majesty King Richard III

    You're not reading Medieval Archaeology by any chance?

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    Re: His Late Majesty King Richard III

    Quote Originally Posted by unloadonme View Post
    You're not reading Medieval Archaeology by any chance?
    Sorry, didn't see this post

    For all who are interested results out 10am GMT on monday the 4th of February

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    Quote Originally Posted by unloadonme View Post
    …but disappointed that the King will be re-interred in as nondescript a place as Leicester.
    where would you have preferred?

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    Re: His Late Majesty King Richard III

    Quote Originally Posted by unloadonme View Post
    Is there a university in Leicester these days?
    There are two Universities in Leicester

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    Re: His Late Majesty King Richard III

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    where would you have preferred?
    York Minster of course!

    Quote Originally Posted by LeicsDom View Post
    There are two Universities in Leicester
    Now I really am shocked.

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    Re: His Late Majesty King Richard III

    Here we go. The results of the DNA tests will be revealed on Channel 4 on 4 February at 21.00 GMT.

    http://www.channel4.com/programmes/r...n-the-car-park

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    Could they make these remains heir to the throne instead of Charles? Monarchist I may be but even then there are limits.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Re: His Late Majesty King Richard III

    I think them remains is Roman Catholic remains and we can't have a Papist on the throne, what with the good old Church of England and all.

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    He could convert.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Re: His Late Majesty King Richard III

    Quote Originally Posted by unloadonme View Post
    Richard III is the only English monarch since 1066 to have no known grave. If the tests show that the remains are Richard's, he'll apparently be reburied in Leicester Cathedral although personally I feel there would be more suitable places, one being York Minster.
    What's wrong with being buried under a car park?

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    Leicester Cathedral already has a memorial to him, a large black slab which looks like a burial, except that it refers to his burial in the old abbey.http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...e=gr&GRid=2614 I note that this is the only famous "burial" listed for the cathedral. All in all, the Leicester folks have done what they could to honor Richard over the centuries, when no one else was, so I think they deserve the burial.
    Such a memorial without a burial is called a cenotaph, in case you are interested.

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    Re: His Late Majesty King Richard III

    The DNA test results are due tomorrow:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-21292381

    The word on the street is that the bones are his.
    Last edited by unloadonme; February 3rd, 2013 at 04:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Such a memorial without a burial is called a cenotaph, in case you are interested.
    If an obelisk is so inscribed, does it become an obscenotaph?

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    Re: His Late Majesty King Richard III

    A bit more.

    Scientists compared its DNA with samples taken from a Canadian family that is a direct descendant of Anne of York, Richard’s eldest sister.

    Jeff Ibsen says he was warned long ago that his family might be called upon if the king’s burying place was ever discovered.

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    History buffs everywhere eagerly await the results. I hope the discovery helps build a better image of the late king.

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    Re: His Late Majesty King Richard III

    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Could they make these remains heir to the throne instead of Charles? Monarchist I may be but even then there are limits.
    Charles needs to step aside for William quite frankly.

    I love this story, it's a mystery I'm dying for an answer too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenstar View Post

    I love this story, it's a mystery I'm dying for an answer too.
    The Tudors' attempt to badmouth and sweep Richard into oblivion have backfired. It looks pretty bad on them for us to have discovered a king under a parking lot, like Achilles dragging Hector.
    Last edited by JockBoy87; February 4th, 2013 at 01:31 AM.

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    I feel sorry for him having spent the last few hundred years under a parking garage. That's totally not good manners at all.

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    Shouldn't be long for an answer now. According to bbc East Midlands, the 'worlds media has descended on Leicester'!

    Don't think I want to head into uni today lol the place will be a circus!

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    I bet it turns out to be Jimmy Hoffa.

    - - - Updated - - -

    I bet it turns out to be Jimmy Hoffa.

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    Results are in, its definitely him

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    Re: His Late Majesty King Richard III

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-21063882

    A skeleton found beneath a Leicester car park has been confirmed as that of English king Richard III.

    Experts from the University of Leicester said DNA from the bones matched that of descendants of the monarch's family.


    Ah well, that means the local tourist businesses will get a boost, anyway

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    It means a long defamed monarch will receive a dignified burial at last, if not in his chosen resting place, and the tourism will no doubt increase interest in objectively reexamining his reign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    The Tudors' attempt to badmouth and sweep Richard into oblivion have backfired. It looks pretty bad on them for us to have discovered a king under a parking lot, like Achilles dragging Hector.
    I think you'll find that much of the badmouthing of him is down to Shakespeare

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeicsDom View Post
    I think you'll find that much of the badmouthing of him is down to Shakespeare
    One of Elizabeth's many pets.

    Printed material in England was also censored until the Modern Era.

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    Re: His Late Majesty King Richard III

    Richard even made the front of the NY Times. He'd be most pleased (thought he never heard of NYC, LOL)

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/05/wo...ird-bones.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    One of Elizabeth's many pets.

    Printed material in England was also censored until the Modern Era.
    If only that were so

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    Excellent news. The Leicester University site is particularly informative:

    http://www2.le.ac.uk/news/blog/2013/...ng-richard-iii

    http://www.le.ac.uk/richardiii/

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    Will his heirs/estate be charged for the parking space?

    Or, will The Crown be charging all of the people who have parked on him?

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    An excellent site on Shakestaffe's Richard III; Ian McKellen's website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keeland View Post
    An excellent site on Shakestaffe's Richard III; Ian McKellen's website.
    I've just dipped into that. It looks fantastic. Thanks for the link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unloadonme View Post
    Thanks for keeping the thread up to date guys. I'm looking forward to the DNA announcement, but disappointed that the King will be re-interred in as nondescript a place as Leicester.
    Ah but some might see it as a nice city (car park excluded of course)....just as some could see Leeds to be bloody awful and so on...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    It means a long defamed monarch will receive a dignified burial at last, if not in his chosen resting place, and the tourism will no doubt increase interest in objectively reexamining his reign.
    I don't think he chose a resting place. His wife Anne was buried in Westminster Abbey, but he also seems to have reserved a space in St George's Chapel, Windsor , opposite his brother, Edward IV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgymike View Post
    Ah but some might see it as a nice city (car park excluded of course)....just as some could see Leeds to be bloody awful and so on...
    Leeds is bloody awful but is not in the running. If Richard were to be reburied in Yorkshire it would undoubtedly be in York Minster.

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    I don't think he chose a resting place. His wife Anne was buried in Westminster Abbey, but he also seems to have reserved a space in St George's Chapel, Windsor , opposite his brother, Edward IV.
    Indeed. Richard's parents are both at St Mary and All Saints, Fotheringhay. Richard's son has no known grave, but has a monument at Sheriff Hutton in Yorkshire.

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    Re: His Late Majesty King Richard III

    The City of York steps up efforts to repatriate Richard to Yorkshire:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-21336248

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    Did they find any petrified yorkshire pudding in his tummy?
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    I'm not even sure Yorkshire Pudding had been "invented" in 1485.

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    Re: His Late Majesty King Richard III

    Maybe one city could get the main part of the skull and the other could get the little bit that was hacked off.


    ..
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    Okay in other news, my guy has joined the "Richard was misunderstood and maligned" camp. I don't know enough about it. In what was was he a hero?
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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