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    Yes,you can count on it,that I have had ideas from all of you. ...that kind of things are very interesting to me...I had read,that they had an experiment,where different brain areas were stimulated,and they experienced "out of body eperiences"',and "near death experiences"
    What you think,is Erich Von Däniken con-artist,or does he have something to say? ....I have been read all of his books,when I was teenager,..they were very popular,and they were all translated to finnish at that time.
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    Chrizze, here's an article talking about that kind of experience:

    http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7...singer_pr.html

    I find this area of study to be fascinating.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    ^gentlemen, we must not discount the idea that there really may BE an afterlife, a soul, etc.

    What I am going to do is explore the phenomenon. The proof will surely be in the pudding.

    One thing I can say for sure--if I find that the phenomenon is all in the brain, I will be sure to 1) be honest with myself and 2) tell everybody.

    But it works the other way around, too--if I find that I can see remote objects accurately,and that there is a part of us that's independent from the brain, I will 1) be honest with myself and 2) tell everybody.

    You all have given me the final push. Thank you.

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    You know,ludolfo,two best things in the world are British inventions...Five o'clock tea, and The United States of America.
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    I believe firmly,that there is afterlife.I know it a priori.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrizze View Post
    You know,ludolfo,two best things in the world are British inventions...Five o'clock tea, and The United States of America.

    Ludolfo lives in the UK?

    Well, Ludolfo, that explains certain things, for example, your statement that doctors incarcerate mentally ill patients against their will. Here in the States, they have enacted laws that forbid that practice.

    BTW, I consider myself a major Anglophile.

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    They can't put anyone into mental hospital,against their will,regardless of circumstances?? Without that law,my mother would have died long ago.last time,when that asshole doctor took away ALL my mothers medications...and she lost her mind in two weeks..believing,that she is jesus..giving all her money to some drunkard,.I was able to stop that money transfer,had to go to bank,and explain the situation.that law saved her life.there were ambulance,and police present,when I put her into hospital.
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    Johan,I admire U.S.and I always will.I would like to live there.my home is full of U.S licence plates,flags,and all things,that will tell casual visitor,what is my stance in certain things.
    I do not necessarily admire what you do,or not do,but what you could be.I had read very much about "founding fathers" of america. First amendment,to me,is almost holy.and I also admire what you could be,one day.I didn't expect to see non-white person as a president of united states in my lifetime.that is really something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrizze View Post
    They can't put anyone into mental hospital,against their will,regardless of circumstances?? Without that law,my mother would have died long ago.last time,when that asshole doctor took away ALL my mothers medications...and she lost her mind in two weeks..believing,that she is jesus..giving all her money to some drunkard,.I was able to stop that money transfer,had to go to bank,and explain the situation.that law saved her life.there were ambulance,and police present,when I put her into hospital.
    Chrizze,they will not incarcerate a mentally ill patient unless

    *they are a danger to themselves (suicidal) or
    *they are a danger to others (the criminally insane.)

    Unfortunately, there is a bad side to this, because people who really are in desperate need of attention (for example, hebephrenic schizophrenics,or those with a thought disorder) don't get help--they're often thrown out onto the streets to fend for themselves.

    Your poor mother wouldn't have gotten the help she needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Chrizze, here's an article talking about that kind of experience:

    http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7...singer_pr.html

    I find this area of study to be fascinating.
    Bankside, this article confirms my suspicions to a very large degree, but I did have two problems with it:

    1. It didn't really address the likelihood that many of these phenomena may occur during certain sleep stages, although the article did mention it obliquely.
    2. It certainly didn't allow for the possibility that some of the phenomena may be genuine. I find that approach a little bit closed-minded.

    But it does give one food for thought. Thanks for sharing.

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    Perhaps that is the reason,that my best friend is nephew of an archbishop,that I am interested about history of [The] Great Britain. I also feel,that I am a bit of "royalist" I personally like Her Majesty,Queen Elizabeth II. I Think,that she is the last "real royal person". I have read her official biography. Sir Winston Churchill,to me, is greatest statesman who has ever lived.I have read his autobiography too...By the way,this friend of mine,..we were been friends some two years,before he mentioned to me,that "my uncle is the Archbishop of Canterbury." His mother is Finnish,who went to work as nurse to England,in the 60's...and they moved to Finland in 1975. My friend was born in 1966, so he is completely bilingual..he talks Finnish with his sister,and mother, and English with his father. I also have two other friends,with similar backgrounds..and that American woman, she had decided to stay in Finland..she is having a baby on October We talk English only..but she is studying,and learning Finnish,and and I have helped her in that. I think,that it is great asset to me,to have such friends.This American friend, she is bilingual too..english,and spanish...her father is American,and mother is from Dominican Republic. I told her,"take care,that your child will be threelingual,english,and spanish is learned from home. and finnish, by living here " she said,that is her general Idea.
    I wish I had learned other languages. I think I already told you that I like brazilian music, and have learned some tunes on guitar---well one lol, and would love to learn Portugese via singing the songs.

    Unlike you I do not like Royal family, and ll that stuff. I think it breeds a very unequal culture where families like theirs are looked up to, and we --the public--are supposed to be their 'subjects'. I also do not like people like Churchill or reeally ANY politicians. But we can still be friends lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrizze View Post
    These discussions here,they have been more therapeutic to me,than any sesssion I had have I had have in the past,on real life
    I highly respect, you,ludolfo,johannBessler too,..and Kulindahr and I,I believe,are very much alike,I have read much of his discussions here,and I believe,that we share the same worldview.But as I said earlier,everyones opinions,who have contributed this thread,are duly noted.
    I am SO pleased that you feel this Chrizze. I sense that you are finding renewed energy and spirit which is beautiful, and I am so glad that we all have helped each other here and helping each other in our own ways here

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    Yes,gentlemen can always agree to disagree. Yes,it is helping to have different views,around the world.
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    @Ludolfo:

    I have some information that you might find interesting, too.

    I took a very brief look at your video, so I know the topic, but I haven't watched the whole thing yet because I haven't had enough time. But I do plan to.

    With that in mind, I want to let you know that I have experimented around with various states of consciousness, and have developed a theory. I believe--at this time--that all of those phenomena--astral projection, UFO abduction experiences, and NDEs,--are intrasomal, that is, experienced inside the physical brain, during certain stages of sleep. I say this because I have direct experience with them.

    Then again, I could be wrong. Maybe the body and the self DO separate. If so, my views on the afterlife, etc., would change forever. I want to explore those altered states of consciousness further, so I can make up my own mind.

    I realize it's not good form to beat one's own drum,but if you want to read more, I wrote about this in great detail in my blog. You can find them under the categories about UFOs.

    Yes, I will be interested to look at your blog. My own views are more agnostic, in regards the real meaning of that term of not coming to a conclusion, but investigating, though I do lean towards ideas....lol For example, I have personally experienced a very powerful OBE (I have had two but the latter one was extraordinary in that I interacted with '4' other beings. I actually did also in the first one too. With one being), and as far as I am aware I seemed outside the body, but you know------it is very easy to ask questions whilst being unconscious of the limitations of the concepts and language you ask them with. Ie., when we say 'inside'--inside implies 'outside'. Also science does not know what either 'matter' is nor 'consciousness'. Also we have an experience of space and time which these deeper states seem to go 'beyond' and this correlates with science---such as quantum physics and Einstein's 'spacetime'. I know from psychedelic experience how space and time are NOT what I usually experience in day to day life, but even in ordinary life time is very weird. Depending on how into something you are it flies past, but boredom and a minute can take ages lol
    So to say experience is 'all in the brain' is also called intrapsychic:
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    I believe firmly,that there is afterlife.I know it a priori.
    Forgive me Chrizze if you already have shared about this experience before and I have forgotten. Could you then either remind me, or share the experience you had please?

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    Well,I haven't had the experience about it.I just know it.

    The terms a priori ("from the earlier") and a posteriori ("from the later") are used in philosophy (epistemology) to distinguish two types of knowledge, justifications or arguments. A priori knowledge or justification is independent of experience (for example "All bachelors are unmarried"); a posteriori knowledge or justification is dependent on experience or empirical evidence (for example "Some bachelors are very happy"). A posteriori justification makes reference to experience; but the issue concerns how one knows the proposition or claim in question—what justifies or grounds one's belief in it. Galen Strawson wrote that an a priori argument is one in which "you can see that it is true just lying on your couch. You don't have to get up off your couch and go outside and examine the way things are in the physical world. You don't have to do any science." There are many points of view on these two types of assertions, and their relationship is one of the oldest problems in modern philosophy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    Chrizze,they will not incarcerate a mentally ill patient unless

    *they are a danger to themselves (suicidal) or
    *they are a danger to others (the criminally insane)

    That's is exactly,as it is in our law,that could be quotation from it.
    Why my mother wouldn't have care she needed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ludolfo View Post
    Yes, I will be interested to look at your blog. My own views are more agnostic, in regards the real meaning of that term of not coming to a conclusion, but investigating, though I do lean towards ideas....lol For example, I have personally experienced a very powerful OBE (I have had two but the latter one was extraordinary in that I interacted with '4' other beings. I actually did also in the first one too. With one being), and as far as I am aware I seemed outside the body, but you know------it is very easy to ask questions whilst being unconscious of the limitations of the concepts and language you ask them with. Ie., when we say 'inside'--inside implies 'outside'. Also science does not know what either 'matter' is nor 'consciousness'. Also we have an experience of space and time which these deeper states seem to go 'beyond' and this correlates with science---such as quantum physics and Einstein's 'spacetime'. I know from psychedelic experience how space and time are NOT what I usually experience in day to day life, but even in ordinary life time is very weird. Depending on how into something you are it flies past, but boredom and a minute can take ages lol
    So to say experience is 'all in the brain' is also called intrapsychic:
    Very interesting! So you've had an OBE.....

    If I might digress for a moment, one thing that irritates me most about science and scientists--including the ones in the link Bankside gave us--is that they work from the a priori "knowledge" that these experiences lack verisimilitude, and are intrasomal. I believe that approach to be unfair, and paradoxically enough, unscientific, because after all,some of the experiences might be quite genuine. If they are, then these scientists have written off an entire body of knowledge through their own skepticism.

    To return to the topic, it might interest you that a man named Dr. John Lilly decided to experiment with a drug called ketamine. When injected with a specific dose, subjects including himself experience full blown OBEs,which further begs the question--are these experiences intrasomal, extrasomal, or both?

    In his case, he (just like you) met with a group of "men" who called themselves the Pleides, if I recall correctly. A lengthy series of conversations with these "men" occurred over a period of months. There came a time that they began to put pressure on him to "join them". He actually gave the matter serious thought, but then finally he decided to "stay on the 'earth' plane", because after all he did have a life, a family, etc.

    Keep in mind that this is a man of science, not some Sylvia Browne. It does make you wonder, huh? All kinds of questions come to one. It makes you wonder about those "time slips", where people say they've gotten abducted by aliens, and then suddenly disappear.

    In my case, it makes me wonder if that voice I heard during my lucid dream was right--could I actually time travel by going through a "black hole in inner space"? Or would I walk around, utterly bonkers,thinking I had time-travelled back to 1940? Or would I simply wake up, marvelling over a fantastic dream?

    The possibilites seem endless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrizze View Post
    That's is exactly,as it is in our law,that could be quotation from it.
    Why my mother wouldn't have care she needed?
    In the US, since they can't incarcerate against her will, she'd have roamed the streets, liiving in her own world.

    People like that have no interest or inclination in getting help. After all, she believed she was Jesus. Why would Jesus need help?

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    But how they can release someone like that? That person is in condition,when he/she is incapacitated to make decisions.what is real reason behind those laws? Saving money?
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    So,this is what will happen?

    If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks…will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered…. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. – Thomas Jefferson in the debate over the Re-charter of the Bank Bill (1809).
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    But how they can release someone like that? That person is in condition,when he/she is incapacitated to make decisions.what is real reason behind those laws? Saving money?
    Unfornutately, yes.

    It's all about the money.

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    But how they can release someone like that? That person is in condition,when he/she is incapacitated to make decisions.what is real reason behind those laws? Saving money?
    Philosophical limitation. Sometimes it shows greater regard for the dignity and humanity of a struggling person to ignore their free will, but American law doesn't recognise this. Since US law is based not only on the pragmatic benefits of freedom, but also the idea of freedom as a myth or totem, this can't be challenged in public discourse. It results in inhumane liberties for people at risk due to illness.

    To change the law is self-evident, but it would be opposed by "low-information voters" - the shockingly ignorant masses who have little education or awareness of even their own political system, and who thus help to perpetuate it. They would riot in the streets claiming that communism is coming and Barack Obama is trying to take their guns.

    Or at least that is my analysis of the States from Canada, where we have robust liberty, but not extreme, fetishized liberty. And public health care, which though inadequate, is at least of some service to our citizens.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Got damn,you put man on the moon! I believe,that one day things are as they should be,in the U.S I will never lost hope about that.

    To Bankside: I probably know more about your political system,than alarming numbers of average americans.
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    There's one important thing I forgot to tell you all.

    Chrizze, if you have it in your mind that you suffer from bipolar illness (as opposed to simple depression), I met a woman who swears that a ketogenic diet cured her. No joke.

    She'd originally started her ketogenic diet in order to lose weight, but a few weeks in, her husband noticed a big change in her moods. She was skeptical at first, then she grudgingly had to admit that he was right--those horrible highs and lows she'd had completely disappeared. Now, she lives on that ketogenic diet all the time.

    If you want to talk to her, drop me a line. She posts frequently on another forum, so it might take me a couple of days to re-establish contact with her, but once you meet her, you will instantly perceive her as "credible".

    On a related note, I do know that ketogenic diets were used in the 1920s to treat epilepsy, and rather recently, scientific investigation proved them "effective". If ketogenic diets can treat epilepsy, just why wouldn't they be effective for bipolar illness? Both illnesses originate in the brain.

    So here you have an instance of science meeting naturopathy and concurring.

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    Well,what kind of forum is it? When I register to forums,I want,that will use frequently.not just to meet one person,and leave.

    By the way,have you noticed,that I do highly appreciate your country?
    I am a patriot,how are you?
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    ^I think she would be greatly honored to hear from you, Chrizze.

    Anyway, the forum in question is called trypolyphasic.com. They deal with the various possibilities involved with the practice of polyphasic sleeping, which consists of breaking a daily sleep schedule down into six 20-minute chunks, for a total of 2 hours a day of sleep.

    A select few are able to adapt to it. We believe that the ability to adapt is probably due to a genetic mutation.

    At any rate, she joined the discussion to include her opinion on how diet may affect polyphasic sleep. Apparently, ketogenic diets increase the need for shortwave sleep, while decreasing the need for REM sleep, and that's where she came in.

    If you want to try the diet, of course you don't have to speak to her if you don't wish. I mentioned her because I thought you might want some kind of proof that the diet helps or cures bipolar illness. I think it might.

    On an unrelated note, I find it refreshing that you honor our country, but I do have to let you know we do have our problems. Some of them are big ones. The biggest one, in my humble opinion, is that 40 or 45% of the people aren't willing to pay their taxes, which makes programs for the mentally ill minimal. In fact, some people want to dismantle the few programs that do exist, and let mentally ill people fend for themselves like animals.

    We do have good weather and friendly people, though. Some say we are TOO friendly and don't trust us. particularly Europeans who had to suffer through two World Wars.

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    Chrizze, if you don't feel comfortable speaking to her directly, I would be happy to post the original URL for you so that you can read her account for yourself.

    You will want to scroll down to post #24, and follow the discussion from there:

    http://trypolyphasic.com/forum/topic...-on-polysleep/

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    Yes,I honor your country,because of the gread wisdom of founding fathers,that all what your country is established on.and what you have done,won WWII,and put man on the moon.we had fought,first,most bloodiest civil war in european history,britain,and other allies send an ultimatum,to stop,or they would intervene.even today,everyone knows,whos side who was.but the,when we had two wars against soviet union,that made us one nation again.you know,Finland is the only country in any war,who brought all fallen soldiers back to their hometowns.In WWII.There is separated cemeteries,on every town,village,or any place,where the person in question lived.I remember,when I went to school,when I was a child,there was a wall,made from stone,where was the names of those,who once were at that school,and had been fallen in war.


    I check that link,when I have time. By the way,that university REM adjusting thing,..I calculated,that it would take six months to complete?
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    How is it possible not to pay taxes? In here,the employer takes taxes from your salary directly,so you can't avoid, at least, income tax.yes,I know,big country,big problems,I am well aware about these,I read CNN more,than my own countrys news.and about dozen more news agencies,to have different points of view.Your country has capability to fix your problems at snap of a finger,if there is political will,and most importantly,you must stop thinking,that any suggestion to improve something,is "communism".Communism is dead,and buried,and it never even existed.
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    I check that link,when I have time. By the way,that university REM adjusting thing,..I calculated,that it would take six months to complete?
    Do you mean the University of Freiburg regimen, where REM cycles are re-synced?

    Let me see...(thinking)

    I count eight weeks.

    If you go to bed at 0200 in the morning normally, you are required to stay up until 1800 the next evening. You would sleep the eight hours, then get up at 0200 (when you'd normally go to bed.) You'd continue going to bed at 1800 for one week.

    The next week, you'd go to bed at 1900. Then the week after, 2000, and so on, until you go to bed at 0200 again. That would require eight weeks, if my arithmatic is correct.

    Supposedly, the regimen is very effective, with the patients reporting no recurrence of a depressive episode even months later. I believe it to be worth a try. At least it's free! The only hard part would be that very first day when you have to stay up for 36 hours.

    I'm going to look for a link, Chrizze. I was going to do it earlier, but I have a strange problem--I don't know how to do the Google search (what search terms would I use?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    Chrizze, if you don't feel comfortable speaking to her directly, I would be happy to post the original URL for you so that you can read her account for yourself.

    You will want to scroll down to post #24, and follow the discussion from there:

    http://trypolyphasic.com/forum/topic...-on-polysleep/
    I checked it fast,but I will check it better.which one of the nick's she is?
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    Yes university of freiburg.my arithmetic could be wrong.. even though,I am very interested about math.but things like these:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...in_mathematics
    You know,once one student from Einsten,what is standard gravity? He did not remember..He said: I don't store such things in my mind,that I can check from every mathbook.
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    Very interesting! So you've had an OBE.....

    If I might digress for a moment, one thing that irritates me most about science and scientists--including the ones in the link Bankside gave us--is that they work from the a priori "knowledge" that these experiences lack verisimilitude, and are intrasomal. I believe that approach to be unfair, and paradoxically enough, unscientific, because after all,some of the experiences might be quite genuine. If they are, then these scientists have written off an entire body of knowledge through their own skepticism.

    To return to the topic, it might interest you that a man named Dr. John Lilly decided to experiment with a drug called ketamine. When injected with a specific dose, subjects including himself experience full blown OBEs,which further begs the question--are these experiences intrasomal, extrasomal, or both?

    In his case, he (just like you) met with a group of "men" who called themselves the Pleides, if I recall correctly. A lengthy series of conversations with these "men" occurred over a period of months. There came a time that they began to put pressure on him to "join them". He actually gave the matter serious thought, but then finally he decided to "stay on the 'earth' plane", because after all he did have a life, a family, etc.

    Keep in mind that this is a man of science, not some Sylvia Browne. It does make you wonder, huh? All kinds of questions come to one. It makes you wonder about those "time slips", where people say they've gotten abducted by aliens, and then suddenly disappear.

    In my case, it makes me wonder if that voice I heard during my lucid dream was right--could I actually time travel by going through a "black hole in inner space"? Or would I walk around, utterly bonkers,thinking I had time-travelled back to 1940? Or would I simply wake up, marvelling over a fantastic dream?

    The possibilites seem endless.
    You should try it lol
    I am sure that materialists will really try and think that all experience happens in the brain. This is because they do not want to think that nature 'out there' may be intelligent. Their fundamental myth is that humans are flukes of consciousness in a blind unconscious nature. But they IMO are caught up in yet another dichotomy of dualistic thinking which in this instance divides 'inner' from 'outer' and thus not realizing that reality is not one part of a dynamism versus another part, a dynamism is a whole system which is a constantly transforming process. So they try and fit any experiential anomaly into the confines of their reductive theories.

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    I checked it fast,but I will check it better.which one of the nick's she is?
    She goes by the name "Ambimorph".

    Her first post on the ketogenic diet is post #24, and she speaks of it in greater length in her next post, which is on page 2 of that thread.

    BTW, If you want to know the exact data from the University of Freiburg study, I remember exactly where I read it. It was detailed in a book called Biological Psychology, a book I read in 2004. Copies of the book can be found for purchase online, if you're interested.

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    You should try it lol
    I am sure that materialists will really try and think that all experience happens in the brain. This is because they do not want to think that nature 'out there' may be intelligent. Their fundamental myth is that humans are flukes of consciousness in a blind unconscious nature. But they IMO are caught up in yet another dichotomy of dualistic thinking which in this instance divides 'inner' from 'outer' and thus not realizing that reality is not one part of a dynamism versus another part, a dynamism is a whole system which is a constantly transforming process. So they try and fit any experiential anomaly into the confines of their reductive theories.
    I agree with this, Ludolfo.

    At this moment, I believe my own experiences occur in the brain, but I could be wrong! In fact, I hope that I am wrong, because if I am, a whole new world will open up for me.

    There's a third possibility: some of the experiences could occur in the brain, while others could indeed happen outside the confines of the physical body.

    I told myself that I would accept the truth of the matter, no matter how much it hurt.

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    She goes by the name "Ambimorph".

    Her first post on the ketogenic diet is post #24, and she speaks of it in greater length in her next post, which is on page 2 of that thread.

    BTW, If you want to know the exact data from the University of Freiburg study, I remember exactly where I read it. It was detailed in a book called Biological Psychology, a book I read in 2004. Copies of the book can be found for purchase online, if you're interested.
    That university data,is it not in the internet anywhere? It's too narrow issue,as book to buy to my economy,I believe.I only buy books that has use for years,like different kind od reference books..or some classsics,that you came back for regularly...last buy was "merck's index" which contains data about all chemicals,that are in human use currently.
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    Funny,that no one else is not writing here,except we three....perhaps,because we are deviated from starting point quite far,..but still,these things has to do with it,...perhaps we dig too deep for others?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrizze View Post
    Funny,that no one else is not writing here,except we three....perhaps,because we are deviated from starting point quite far,..but still,these things has to do with it,...perhaps we dig too deep for others?
    Not at all too deep, but I am mindful that this one thread may not be the best place to debate some of the contributions from other posters, and/or yourself, which seem mistaken, or ill-advised, or dismissive, or partly right. The intent of the thread is I believe to gather suggestions, not so much debates. Certainly that is the purpose of this section within the forum.

    Though I believe there is much goodwill and good advice above, I have also bitten my tongue on a number of occasions.

    No fear though; I will gladly take up any of these topics in other parts of the forum designed for more free-wheeling debate.
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    I agree with this, Ludolfo.

    At this moment, I believe my own experiences occur in the brain, but I could be wrong! In fact, I hope that I am wrong, because if I am, a whole new world will open up for me.

    There's a third possibility: some of the experiences could occur in the brain, while others could indeed happen outside the confines of the physical body.

    I told myself that I would accept the truth of the matter, no matter how much it hurt.

    I like your third possibility because it respects both perspectives. This really is Mystery, and we are completely interelated with mystery and are a mystery to our selves also. I also point out the dynamic that is known and unknown. We will never ever have this: 'OK everything is known now'. That is absurd, because it is a dynamic, and wherever there is known no matter if we are 1000 years in the future and know much more there will always be the unknown, and it is intermingling all the time with known, so for example I would ask you 'tell me what you were doing at 4:27 on the 3rd of August?'....If it wasn't a big event like a wedding etc, you may not know. You could be at work, but you may not know exactly what you were doing at that time, what you were thinking and doing. it is unknown, and same for some time yesterday. So there is that sense of the changing unknown also.

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    Funny,that no one else is not writing here,except we three....perhaps,because we are deviated from starting point quite far,..but still,these things has to do with it,...perhaps we dig too deep for others?
    I don't think we have. And I think that if you can't be deep in a forum about spirituality where can you be?

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    I don't mean to offend,but yuo,johan,and ludolfo,you could reduce those debates you have between you two,don't you think? Talk to me . ...was that on "The Godfather"?
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    ^ lol Chrizze. Maybe you're right.

    Our debate originated with you, really. We were looking at different approaches of addressing your problem with depression. In the course of our debate, a most remarkable concurrence has taken place--we're meeting in the middle, a rare occurrance these days, it seems.

    At any rate, I have some exciting news for you, Chrizze. Remember the University of Freiburg experiments? Out of the original experiments, they fine-tuned the protocol to process over just one week. Yes, over just one week, you could feel significant relief from your depression by advancing your sleep phase, and I have concrete evidence!

    The abstract is a pdf file, so I'll have to link to it indirectly. This link will take you to a Google Results page. You will want to choose the fourth (4th) choice from the top.

    Supposedly, it works for 61% of the patients. I feel excited for you; I hope you try it.

    Please let us know if you don't understand the scientific language--we'll translate it for you into easier-to-understand English.

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    Scientific language is the first,what I have been learned...everyday-life kind.of things were the last.If I read something,and don't understand,that means,that I would not understand it in my language either.I have seen every episode from "star trek",all of the five series,about 4-20 times.and that started fifteen years ago,and last episode they made,was about six years ago.now I watch re-runs.

    For example,I was able to read fluently the "scienticif american" magazine ten years ago.
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    ^Do you find the sleep regimen doable?

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    Scientific language is the first,what I have been learned...everyday-life kind.of things were the last.If I read something,and don't understand,that means,that I would not understand it in my language either.I have seen every episode from "star trek",all of the five series,about 4-20 times.and that started fifteen years ago,and last episode they made,was about six years ago.now I watch re-runs.

    For example,I was able to read fluently the "scienticif american" magazine ten years ago.
    I used to like the old Star trek when I was younger too. Beam me up Scotty LOL. I bet you would love Dr Who.

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    They had made completely renovated versions from old ones..pretty good.
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    ^Do you find the sleep regimen doable?
    At glance,why not,but I hve to study it further.
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    Chrizze,they will not incarcerate a mentally ill patient unless

    *they are a danger to themselves (suicidal) or
    *they are a danger to others (the criminally insane.)

    Unfortunately, there is a bad side to this, because people who really are in desperate need of attention (for example, hebephrenic schizophrenics,or those with a thought disorder) don't get help--they're often thrown out onto the streets to fend for themselves.

    Your poor mother wouldn't have gotten the help she needed.
    "Danger to self" isn't limited to suicidal, at least not everywhere. If a person's behavior is such that it is likely that he or she will inflict serious damage on him/herself without intention, that can also qualify. On top of that there are 72-hour holds that can be used to confine someone even just to find out WTF is going on when behavior is truly bizarre.

    Of course there's also the clincher that any three psychiatrists can get together and agree someone needs to be confined, and you get confined.

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