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    I dunno what the big deal is.... ABC got a news team there to scoop the landing......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axxess View Post
    Didn't you just answer you own question?
    Kind of - at least, that's no doubt the reason they're currently avoiding the place.

    But I'm sure if they wanted to, they could manufacture a 'cheap' and low-tech' sensor bundle where the emphasis was on the protection and longevity of the instruments. I'm not talking about anything remotely as hi-tech and sophisticated as a rover - maybe just a package that could be released from a future permanently orbiting probe, thereby justifying the cost. Surely technology has advanced enough in 40 years so that those hours couldn't be stretched to days?

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    Wow - thanks for sending through the links. Wish there was some way to tell how big everything is in the photo - are those rocks, or pebbles I see?
    Well, the horizon is roughly three kilometers away; the solar panel sets we can see are 0.97 meters by 1.55 meters; the camera lens is about two meters up. I guess we work from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenGuy View Post
    Kind of - at least, that's no doubt the reason they're currently avoiding the place.

    But I'm sure if they wanted to, they could manufacture a 'cheap' and low-tech' sensor bundle where the emphasis was on the protection and longevity of the instruments. I'm not talking about anything remotely as hi-tech and sophisticated as a rover - maybe just a package that could be released from a future permanently orbiting probe, thereby justifying the cost. Surely technology has advanced enough in 40 years so that those hours couldn't be stretched to days?
    Not if you want it "cheap and easy".

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    ^ Ah - thanks Kuli - handy to know - it's bigger than I thought
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axxess View Post
    Just for laughs, I googled "Mars Landing Hoax". I found exactly what I thought I would.

    I don't really understand the point of this exercise. Why are we spending billions of dollars to send a robot to Mars to take pictures? I mean, yeah, they're pretty pictures, but wouldn't that money be better spent on other things? I guess I just don't "get" it.
    I agree lol. I think Mars probably was never inhabited by beings like ourselves. It's probably in the process of becoming more like our earth. If that's the case then they are never gonna find anything there and it won't even have an atmosphere for millions of years possibly.

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    I dunno what the big deal is.... ABC got a news team there to scoop the landing......



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabluey View Post
    ^ Ah - thanks Kuli - handy to know - it's bigger than I thought
    Think of it as a Humvee -- not too far off.

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    I REALLY wish NASA would send another probe to Venus! It's our nearest neighbour, more than twice as close as Mars, yet NASA completely ignores it. I simply don't understand.

    Just because there's no likelihood of finding life there does not mean the place isn't interesting. But there is the added problem that the 400+degrees temperature and pressure and acidic corrosive atmosphere will fry any probe within minutes.

    I recently looked up about the Russian missions - they sent several Venera probes there, including the first probe to enter the atmosphere of another planet and take data readings (but no pics) in 1967. See how much can be achieved so quickly if you set your mind to it? The first pics of the surface of another planet came from Venus from two Russian Venera probes in 1975.

    To my knowledge the ONLY colour pics of the surface of Venus were taken by two Russian Venera probes in 1982.

    These probes lasted just about ONE OR TWO HOURS before they were crushed/corroded/melted by the planet.

    The Soviets are STILL the only ones to have landed spacecraft on Venus.
    Not only is it as hot as a kiln, the pressure is 93 Earth atmospheres. Under such conditions, the co2 in Venus's atmosphere is past the critical point and acts as a drycleaning fluid, and as you mentioned, a reducing environment abounds. The protective technology just might not be developed for an extended mission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanzosword View Post
    I agree lol. I think Mars probably was never inhabited by beings like ourselves. It's probably in the process of becoming more like our earth. If that's the case then they are never gonna find anything there and it won't even have an atmosphere for millions of years possibly.
    You've got your science backwards: it used to be more like Earth, with an atmosphere, rain, and all that.

    The thing is that Mars has a much lower gravity (something that weighs in at 100 kilos here would hit the scales at 38 there). It takes gravity to hang onto an atmosphere, and over time Mars has lost first the lighter gases and then most of the rest.

    Hitting it with enough comets (the way planets got atmospheres to begin with, to an extent), we could give it back a shirtsleeves atmosphere, lakes, rivers, maybe even an ocean. But it's not going to get more like Earth on its own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    Not only is it as hot as a kiln, the pressure is 93 Earth atmospheres. Under such conditions, the co2 in Venus's atmosphere is past the critical point and acts as a drycleaning fluid, and as you mentioned, a reducing environment abounds. The protective technology just might not be developed for an extended mission.
    Much of that pressure would abate if we could do two things:

    1. add a few billion tons of hydrogen to the atmosphere. this would result in a reduction of both sulphur compounds and CO2, making the atmosphere transparent

    2. give Venus wide, dusty rings, like Saturn's. this would serve to keep the temperature down.


    Carl Sagan once pointed out that for Venus to actually be useful for humans to live on, we'd want to speed up its spin -- its day is over a hundred earth days long, probably too much for anything but the lowest lifeforms to adjust to. But if we can change the spin of a planet, we wouldn't be far from being able to move it . . . Put it out at, say, 135 0r 140 million kilometers, and it would cool a lot on its own.

    OTOH, the very pressure of the atmosphere has prompted an interesting proposal, once we get the ability to move large craft around the Solar System: it would be possible to build cities floating in the clouds! (What a place to live.) Build enough, and put mirrors on top, and they'd provide shade to the clouds/surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    I dunno what the big deal is.... ABC got a news team there to scoop the landing......

    Well, it's only fair. NBC got exclusivity on the Olympics, ABC gets Mars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Then you are deliberately ignorant, choosing to be a fool.

    I don't "believe in it", I know these things to be true. They are more verifiable than you being a human being.
    deliberately ignorant because i don't think that man has actually landed on the moon and that it's a hoax, huh? i think it's funny how you stand by that but yet how much billions of dollars of tax money has gone to nasa since the last time of the last "moon landing" which has been wasted on failed space programs and nonsensical experiments. 40 years later with all the advanced technology they have, they haven't been able to build a space station or put anybody else on the moon since then huh. if you ask me, nasa is a failed unneeded program because there's really nothing that has come from it. if all those billions of tax dollars could be used to help us on earth instead of out of space on bullshit.

    it's funny how there's people that are acting like this is a big deal but i recall out too long ago that way back in the late 90s, they did the same shit putting some craft on mars and how the media was making a big deal over that shit. this is NOTHING new. i think they did the same thing back in 1997. close to 20 years later, they're STILL doing the same thing. you call me ignorant but i'm sure that i've been paying a lot more attention to you on nasa's trips to mars than the op and you where you actually think this is something new. i'm just skeptical towards something that i see nothing resourceful or productive coming out of.

    lol @ you telling me about experiments, moon rocks and lasers and american flags. who cares.
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    Quote Originally Posted by refujiunderground View Post
    deliberately ignorant because i don't think that man has actually landed on the moon and that it's a hoax, huh?

    lol @ you telling me about experiments, moon rocks and lasers and american flags. who cares.
    Yes, deliberately ignorant -- and a fool. You refuse to believe only because you aren't interested in actually thinking, which is required to examine the evidence.

    The moon landings can be proven by anyone with the right equipment. The equipment doesn't lie. The things the astronauts left there can be seen.

    Only someone seriously deluded would believe that millions and millions of people could maintain such a conspiracy -- including gobs if high school and college students. What, do you think they got paid to pretend that they saw something not there?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Yes, deliberately ignorant -- and a fool. You refuse to believe only because you aren't interested in actually thinking, which is required to examine the evidence.

    The moon landings can be proven by anyone with the right equipment. The equipment doesn't lie. The things the astronauts left there can be seen.

    Only someone seriously deluded would believe that millions and millions of people could maintain such a conspiracy -- including gobs if high school and college students. What, do you think they got paid to pretend that they saw something not there?

    no and even if i did believe that someone did land on the moon, why should i give a fuck? is the moon going to pay my bills or give me a job? i don't have time like that to worry about ufos or what's going on out of space. it's not like anything that nasa is doing up there is helping me here on earth. are they coming up with moon juice or mars bars for me to eat that'll keep me full for 12 hours or something? all they're doing is virtually nothing. yeah, it might make you feel smarter to know about the moon and all that but last time i remember, this or the moon isn't going to pay anybody on earth's bills or has any significance on your everyday life.

    as i said, if the government spent more time and energy on what's going on down on earth than what's going on in space, the country will be better off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by refujiunderground View Post
    why should i give a fuck? is the moon going to pay my bills or give me a job? i don't have time like that to worry about ufos or what's going on out of space. it's not like anything that nasa is doing up there is helping me here on earth. are they coming up with moon juice or mars bars for me to eat that'll keep me full for 12 hours or something? all they're doing is virtually nothing. yeah, it might make you feel smarter to know about the moon and all that but last time i remember, this or the moon isn't going to pay anybody on earth's bills or has any significance on your everyday life.

    as i said, if the government spent more time and energy on what's going on down on earth than what's going on in space, the country will be better off.


    Why should you give a fuck? It's not like it's helping you on earth?


    The ISS (International Space Station) is one of the most prevalent locations for medical and scientific research. Vaccines, bacterial research, burn cases, Bone Marrow research, effects of the metabolism have all had advances because of our desire to be out in space. And those are only the ones I know about.


    How dare you say "All they're doing is virtually nothing" people have died to help bring not only America but the entire human race into a new age and you, fitted with no knowledge, think you can make such ridiculous claims.

    Your ignorance is only succeeded by your ego. Thank you for letting us all see both of those things now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by refujiunderground View Post
    no and even if i did believe that someone did land on the moon, why should i give a fuck? is the moon going to pay my bills or give me a job? i don't have time like that to worry about ufos or what's going on out of space. it's not like anything that nasa is doing up there is helping me here on earth. are they coming up with moon juice or mars bars for me to eat that'll keep me full for 12 hours or something? all they're doing is virtually nothing. yeah, it might make you feel smarter to know about the moon and all that but last time i remember, this or the moon isn't going to pay anybody on earth's bills or has any significance on your everyday life.

    as i said, if the government spent more time and energy on what's going on down on earth than what's going on in space, the country will be better off.
    Wow -- your ignorance runs deep.

    The number of patents for items we now take for granted, that came from the Apollo program alone, runs into many thousands -- I heard the figure seventeen thousand once, and it's easy to believe. Medical procedures, safety materials, communications, energy, even recreation applications of what was developed abound (ever hear of hang gliders? ultralights? parasails?). You use them every day, know it or not -- ever microwave something in a plastic container? We got plastics that don't melt in a microwave from the space program! Our houses are better, our cars run cleaner, our electronics are more useful (cell phones wouldn't be possible without technology developed by the space program -- or laptops, for that matter). Even telephone calls are clearer thanks to NASA. Firemen do their jobs in greater safety thanks to NASA. Our tires are better thanks to the Space Shuttle. Our glasses, binoculars, and lenses of all types are better because NASA needed far better optics. Ever go to the gym? All the exercise machines there are what they are thanks to NASA. Know anyone alive because of a pacemaker? Thank NASA. Ever make use of GPS technology? Thank NASA. Eyeglasses that are extremely resistant to breaking and scratching? Thank NASA. The metal frames that don't shatter but can be bent back in place -- some by heating them (they go back by themselves)? Thank NASA. Ever hear of memory foam? the stuff used in mattresses, wheelchairs, race cars, prosthetic limbs, and more? Thank NASA. If you go to the doctor, you've probably had your temperature taken with a contact thermometer (ear thermometers are especially common) of some sort -- thank NASA. Do you buy good athletic shoes? Thank NASA. Flexible ski boots? Thank NASA. Home smoke detectors with carbon monoxide and other sensitivity settings? Thank NASA. Improved safety breathing gear for emergency workers? Thank NASA. Ever drive on a highway with safety grooving that helps your tires grip better? Developed by NASA -- and also used at swimming pools, playgrounds, restroom floors.... Remember the first Black and Decker cordless tools that weighed ten pounds and lasted half an hour? but now cordless tools are light and the batteries are powerful? Thank NASA. For that matter, if you've ever used an electronic calculator, thank NASA -- for the compact batteries, and for the dependability and broad utility of the calculator. If you go camping, you may use water filters -- heck, you may use them in your home faucet or in a refrigerator filtering pitcher. Well, thank NASA.

    Almost everything that's light and electronic and compact exists thanks to NASA's need to make things small and efficient. Heck, the internet itself is due to a great extent to the space program; their use/needs made it necessary to expand the 'net (DARPAnet, back then) to a size where it became useful for more than government programs (IIRC, chat rooms were a NASA invention, so scientists at the various far-flung facilities could communicate in real time). Online graphics were heavily driven by NASA, because they needed to be able to look at diagrams of what they were developing.

    It's impossible to go through a day without using things that came to you courtesy of the space program. If NASA had been allowed to patent them all, and all the spin-offs, from the beginning, they'd be making a profit at venturing into space.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalFudge View Post
    Why should you give a fuck? It's not like it's helping you on earth?


    The ISS (International Space Station) is one of the most prevalent locations for medical and scientific research. Vaccines, bacterial research, burn cases, Bone Marrow research, effects of the metabolism have all had advances because of our desire to be out in space. And those are only the ones I know about.


    How dare you say "All they're doing is virtually nothing" people have died to help bring not only America but the entire human race into a new age and you, fitted with no knowledge, think you can make such ridiculous claims.

    Your ignorance is only succeeded by your ego. Thank you for letting us all see both of those things now.
    yeah, what's going on in space doesn't affect my life here on earth. maybe if you focused on yourself and how you catch feelings when people don't share the same views like you do instead of worrying about mars, we wouldn't be here on the second page talking about something YOU started. but of course, i know this isn't going to get through to you though. you don't like to take responsibility for what you start.

    then you have the audacity to try to make me look like i'm the one fucking with you all because i said "it looks like it was filmed here on earth and i think this thing is a hoax." i'm not backing down from you at all either, kid, as if i'm supposed to be scared of your sorry ass.

    if i don't agree with the whole nasa, mars thing or whatever, i have a right to do that without you feeling the need to insult me for doing so. it's not like me thinking this is a hoax is hurting anybody in the process. maybe you should stop making threads until you learn to respect other people's opinions where don't need to get at them for doing so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Wow -- your ignorance runs deep.

    The number of patents for items we now take for granted, that came from the Apollo program alone, runs into many thousands -- I heard the figure seventeen thousand once, and it's easy to believe. Medical procedures, safety materials, communications, energy, even recreation applications of what was developed abound (ever hear of hang gliders? ultralights? parasails?). You use them every day, know it or not -- ever microwave something in a plastic container? We got plastics that don't melt in a microwave from the space program! Our houses are better, our cars run cleaner, our electronics are more useful (cell phones wouldn't be possible without technology developed by the space program -- or laptops, for that matter). Even telephone calls are clearer thanks to NASA. Firemen do their jobs in greater safety thanks to NASA. Our tires are better thanks to the Space Shuttle. Our glasses, binoculars, and lenses of all types are better because NASA needed far better optics. Ever go to the gym? All the exercise machines there are what they are thanks to NASA. Know anyone alive because of a pacemaker? Thank NASA. Ever make use of GPS technology? Thank NASA. Eyeglasses that are extremely resistant to breaking and scratching? Thank NASA. The metal frames that don't shatter but can be bent back in place -- some by heating them (they go back by themselves)? Thank NASA. Ever hear of memory foam? the stuff used in mattresses, wheelchairs, race cars, prosthetic limbs, and more? Thank NASA. If you go to the doctor, you've probably had your temperature taken with a contact thermometer (ear thermometers are especially common) of some sort -- thank NASA. Do you buy good athletic shoes? Thank NASA. Flexible ski boots? Thank NASA. Home smoke detectors with carbon monoxide and other sensitivity settings? Thank NASA. Improved safety breathing gear for emergency workers? Thank NASA. Ever drive on a highway with safety grooving that helps your tires grip better? Developed by NASA -- and also used at swimming pools, playgrounds, restroom floors.... Remember the first Black and Decker cordless tools that weighed ten pounds and lasted half an hour? but now cordless tools are light and the batteries are powerful? Thank NASA. For that matter, if you've ever used an electronic calculator, thank NASA -- for the compact batteries, and for the dependability and broad utility of the calculator. If you go camping, you may use water filters -- heck, you may use them in your home faucet or in a refrigerator filtering pitcher. Well, thank NASA.

    Almost everything that's light and electronic and compact exists thanks to NASA's need to make things small and efficient. Heck, the internet itself is due to a great extent to the space program; their use/needs made it necessary to expand the 'net (DARPAnet, back then) to a size where it became useful for more than government programs (IIRC, chat rooms were a NASA invention, so scientists at the various far-flung facilities could communicate in real time). Online graphics were heavily driven by NASA, because they needed to be able to look at diagrams of what they were developing.

    It's impossible to go through a day without using things that came to you courtesy of the space program. If NASA had been allowed to patent them all, and all the spin-offs, from the beginning, they'd be making a profit at venturing into space.
    whatever you said about nasa's inventions really mean nothing because it's not like they weren't going to be made anyway. all they needed was time, advancements in technology and someone who was smart enough to think of such here on earth. nasa is NOT necessary. you're talking about ignorance yet you refuse to acknowledge that the whole nasa thing started from world politics with united states trying to flex it's muscles against russia with the whole space race. otherwise, nasa wouldn't have existed. nasa is no different than the dea.
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    whatever you said about nasa's inventions really mean nothing because it's not like they weren't going to be made anyway. all they needed was time, advancements in technology and someone who was smart enough to think of such here on earth. nasa is NOT necessary. you're talking about ignorance yet you refuse to acknowledge that the whole nasa thing started from world politics with united states trying to flex it's muscles against russia with the whole space race. otherwise, nasa wouldn't have existed. nasa is no different than the dea.
    Damn -- ignorance and... more ignorance.

    Inventions don't just get "made anyway". They're driven by need or desire. Someone has to want something, in order for it to be achieved.

    No one was needing any of those things. There was no drive to do them. They might have been stumbled on thirty or forty years later.

    Why NASA was begun is irrelevant -- the benefits are still the same. And when you bring up something for the first time, claiming I "refuse to acknowledge" is stupidity -- nothing brought up, nothing to acknowledge. Why they were begun has nothing to do with the results.

    "Necessary"? I see you're retreating -- your claim was that NASA made no difference to your life on this planet. I showed you they have made a HUGE difference. You were wrong. But as to whether they were necessary, that depends on your meaning. Are weather forecasts "necessary"? is airplane safety "necessary"?


    I almost forgot your last line. It's ludicrous, and shows you for someone who doesn't stop to think: NASA actually provides benefits to the American public, providing new technology and thus stimulating the economy and driving prosperity (and cheap at the cost); the DEA does almost nothing but persecute citizens and abuse US states and foreign countries.
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    Damn -- ignorance and... more ignorance.

    Inventions don't just get "made anyway". They're driven by need or desire. Someone has to want something, in order for it to be achieved.

    No one was needing any of those things. There was no drive to do them. They might have been stumbled on thirty or forty years later.

    Why NASA was begun is irrelevant -- the benefits are still the same. And when you bring up something for the first time, claiming I "refuse to acknowledge" is stupidity -- nothing brought up, nothing to acknowledge. Why they were begun has nothing to do with the results.

    "Necessary"? I see you're retreating -- your claim was that NASA made no difference to your life on this planet. I showed you they have made a HUGE difference. You were wrong. But as to whether they were necessary, that depends on your meaning. Are weather forecasts "necessary"? is airplane safety "necessary"?


    I almost forgot your last line. It's ludicrous, and shows you for someone who doesn't stop to think: NASA actually provides benefits to the American public, providing new technology and thus stimulating the economy and driving prosperity (and cheap at the cost); the DEA does almost nothing but persecute citizens and abuse US states and foreign countries.
    we're just going to agree to disagree then. you may think someone inventing cling wrap with research from nasa may be meaningful to my life but the point of the matter is, i don't care. you can say i'm ignorant but i really don't care too much about that because i have more things to worry about than nasa research. in fact, the dea, even though i share the same sentiments you do about it, actually seems a little bit more important for me than nasa does because they could provide me with a job within my field. nasa is not my field, it's not going to provide me a job and from all the things you listed, nasa really isn't important to me and my life. what's the use of caring for inventions such as boots, tires and cling wrap if you don't have the money to buy those items? where's the money coming from? i pay enough in taxes to keep nasa afloat and i have nothing to show for it except inventions that i can't pay for without money. nasa isn't hiring. america runs off money just like nasa needs my money in order for it to do what it is.

    my question is besides material items and making you feel more smarter, does nasa really help you with anything that is necessary in your life such as food, water, clothing and shelter? my guess is no. most of the things you listed are luxuries anyways.
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    What a complete waste of $2.5 billion. And the nerve to release black and white photos to add insult to injury.
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    we're just going to agree to disagree then. you may think someone inventing cling wrap with research from nasa may be meaningful to my life but the point of the matter is, i don't care. you can say i'm ignorant but i really don't care too much about that because i have more things to worry about than nasa research. in fact, the dea, even though i share the same sentiments you do about it, actually seems a little bit more important for me than nasa does because they could provide me with a job within my field. nasa is not my field, it's not going to provide me a job and from all the things you listed, nasa really isn't important to me and my life. what's the use of caring for inventions such as boots, tires and cling wrap if you don't have the money to buy those items? where's the money coming from? i pay enough in taxes to keep nasa afloat and i have nothing to show for it except inventions that i can't pay for without money. nasa isn't hiring. america runs off money just like nasa needs my money in order for it to do what it is.

    my question is besides material items and making you feel more smarter, does nasa really help you with anything that is necessary in your life such as food, water, clothing and shelter? my guess is no. most of the things you listed are luxuries anyways.
    So you're not just ignorant, you're selfish, too -- as long as you have what you want, you don't give a hoot about the rest of us.

    NASA has generated millions of jobs, in all sorts of fields -- as far apart as security systems and recreation. So you almost certainly have "something to show for it", because those jobs generate other jobs. It's an incredible investment for you -- the amount you pay for NASA in your taxes every year is under a dollar, for which you get a much better life.

    But apparently you consider everyday things like safe microwaves and an effective fire department and food storage "luxuries". Take that cling wrap you mentioned: if you buy meat at all, you're making use of cling wrap. And tires? If you buy anything at any store, you're using tires. See, without those, none of those things would be getting to you.

    Unless you go naked, catch your food with your hands, and live in the wilderness, you're benefitting from NASA every day, probably every hour.

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    What a complete waste of $2.5 billion. And the nerve to release black and white photos to add insult to injury.
    Exploration has always been considered a waste by those with no imagination.

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    So you're not just ignorant, you're selfish, too -- as long as you have what you want, you don't give a hoot about the rest of us.

    NASA has generated millions of jobs, in all sorts of fields -- as far apart as security systems and recreation. So you almost certainly have "something to show for it", because those jobs generate other jobs. It's an incredible investment for you -- the amount you pay for NASA in your taxes every year is under a dollar, for which you get a much better life.

    But apparently you consider everyday things like safe microwaves and an effective fire department and food storage "luxuries". Take that cling wrap you mentioned: if you buy meat at all, you're making use of cling wrap. And tires? If you buy anything at any store, you're using tires. See, without those, none of those things would be getting to you.

    Unless you go naked, catch your food with your hands, and live in the wilderness, you're benefitting from NASA every day, probably every hour.

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    Exploration has always been considered a waste by those with no imagination.
    are you seriously calling me selfish for wanting to provide for myself? are you giving me any money or food to live off of? it's not like you're going to help me out. when's the last time you helped anybody that needed something calling me selfish? haha... all of this because i disagree with nasa research. i would like to know the hundreds of jobs that nasa has provided in recent times during this economic depression too. as far as i know, i haven't heard squat about nasa providing jobs. i did hear about nasa having to make budget cuts which has led to job layoffs at nasa though. i'm sure there's people in here that feel the same way i do. having the nerve to call me selfish because i'm trying to put a roof over my head with water and food as if someone like you is going to be nice enough to help me out. you can't be serious. those millions of people that you speak of are no different than me as in they're trying to achieve the same thing i am so they're just about as selfish as i am. you're calling all of us selfish. so does that make you selfish too?

    anyway to prove yourself right huh?

    it's not an investment for me because as far as i'm concerned, it hasn't provided me with a job.
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    it's not an investment for me because as far as i'm concerned, it hasn't provided me with a job.

    But it HAS provided you with:

    1. SATELLITE TELEVISION: Our world would not be the same without the satellites now in orbit around the Earth – all thanks to the space programme. They not only give us satellite broadcast television and radio but also power telecommunications including mobile phones and terrestrial TV networks.

    2. SAT NAV: The global positioning system on which our in-car navigation systems are based was developed by the US Department of Defense. They would not exist without the space satellites.

    3. GOOGLE EARTH: Mapping was never as accurate as the images we can now get thanks to satellites which from space can even see a dog in your back garden.

    4. VIRTUAL REALITY: Nasa-developed research and advanced technology devices allow users to project themselves into a computer-generated environment. When coupled with a stereo-viewing device and appropriate software, it creates a feeling of actually being there.

    5. ARTIFICIAL LIMBS: Prosthetic limbs are not new but advancements in space robotics are being adapted to create more lifelike, functioning limbs.

    6. DIALYSIS: Modern machines to do the work of the kidneys – for patients waiting for or unable to have transplants – were developed as a result of a Nasa-developed chemical process.

    7. MRI AND CAT SCANS: Nasa did not invent magnetic resonance imaging but it has contributed to major advances thanks to research into computer enhancement of pictures sent from the moon. Digital image processing has led to enhanced images of human organs.

    8. BREAST CANCER SCREENING: A silicon chip originally developed for Nasa’s Hubble Space Telescope makes the testing process less painful, less scarring and less expensive than traditional biopsy methods.

    9. ULTRASOUND TO ASSESS SKIN DAMAGE: An advanced instrument uses ultrasound technology to assess the depth of burn damage immediately, improving patient treatment and saving lives in serious burn cases.

    10. EAR THERMOMETER: Removing the need to use intrusive, mercury-based thermometers on newborn babies and critically ill patients, the ear thermometer uses infrared astronomy technology to measure the amount of energy emitted by the eardrum. This is how Nasa measures the temperature of stars and planets.

    11. ATTENTION GETTER: Techniques used to measure brain activity in Nasa pilots are being used to improve attention spans for children with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder.


    12. ROAD SAFETY: The cutting of grooves in concrete to increase traction was developed to reduce space shuttle accidents on runways. It is now applied to roads and has cut US traffic accidents by 85 per cent.

    13. IMPROVED RADIAL TYRES: Goodyear developed a fibrous material five times stronger than steel for Nasa to use in parachutes to land the Viking explorers on Mars. They expanded the technology to produce a harder-wearing radial car tyre.

    14. LANDMINE REMOVAL: Surplus rocket fuel is used for a flare that can burn a hole in the case of a mine and burn away its explosive content.

    15. STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS: Nasa software engineers have created thousands of computer programs to find imperfections in aerospace structures and components which has proved invaluable in air safety.

    16. WATER FILTERS: Water-cleaning technology has existed since the early Fifties but Nasa came up with ways to filter it in more extreme situations. The activated charcoal with silver ions used in commercial filter systems cleans the water and kills bacteria.

    17. FREEZE-DRIED FOOD: Nasa carried out extensive research to reduce the weight of food to be carried on missions. The result was a method for cooking food, freezing it quickly, then slowly heating it in a vacuum chamber to remove the ice crystals. The end product weighs one fifth of the original, while retaining 98 per cent of its nutrition.

    18. TEMPER FOAM: Nasa developed a soft, high-energy-absorbent padding to improve crash protection in aircraft. Now “memory foam” is used in mattresses, pillows, military and civilian vehicles, sports safety equipment, amusement park rides, furniture and artificial limbs.

    19. SCRATCH-RESISTANT LENSES: A modified version of a process developed by Nasa involves coating the lenses with a film of carbon that helps avoid scratches and decreases friction and reduces water spots.

    20. RIBBED SWIMSUITS: The swimsuit worn by Olympic sensation Michael Phelps was developed with Nasa technology. Aerodynamic research came up with material which give 15 per cent faster speeds than any other swimsuit thanks to small, barely visible grooves that reduce friction and drag.

    21. AERODYNAMIC GOLF BALLS: Technology is behind the design of golf balls with 500 dimples in a pattern of 60 triangles which allows the ball to maintain its initial speed longer and produce a more stable flight for better accuracy and distance.

    22. ATHLETIC SHOES: Moon-boot material has been incorporated into running shoe midsoles to improve shock absorption and provide better stability and motion control.

    23. PERSONAL ALARM SYSTEMS: A pen-sized ultrasonic transmitter used by prison guards, teachers, the elderly and disabled to call for help is based on space technology.

    24. SPACE PENS: Most pens depend on gravity to make the ink flow to the ballpoint. The space pen was developed for the gravity-free space environment so that the ink cartridge contains pressurised gas to push the ink towards the ballpoint, so you can write upside down.

    25. CORDLESS POWER TOOLS: The household and DIY products firm Black & Decker came up with a portable drill capable of extracting core samples from below the lunar surface during the Apollo missions. The same technology has been used on cordless miniature vacuum cleaners.

    Virtually all computer improvements from vacuum tubes to integrated chips came from the space program.

    and also, as a result of trying hydroponic gardening in low- and no-gravity environments, we're able to develop hardier species of plants that are able to survive (and thrive) in harsher climates-- thus being able to feed those in extremely arid regions.

    Space has given us teflon, a material original invented for spaceship vents, but now the best material for kitchen tools.

    Ballpoint pens, and memory foam.

    The space program has given us velcro, and tons of computer technology.

    NASA has weather satelites and helps with crop duster spray system calibrations. In a round about way, this helps farmers to grow with less damage so we can ship the food out. Until 2008, the USA made enough food for ourselves and exported quatities larger than we imported.



    The list goes on.
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    ^^^ Holy shit

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    but,,but..but what about my amusing pic?
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    but,,but..but what about my amusing pic?

    I liked it. I got this one from my Mom today.


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    I preferred this thread when it was all about the pics.

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    it's not an investment for me because as far as i'm concerned, it hasn't provided me with a job.
    That has to be the most self-absorbed and egocentric worldview I've seen on JustUsBoys in a year. Worse still, it is so untrue I don't think you believe it yourself.

    First and foremost, NASA pioneered the use of integrated circuits in the computer you are communicating to us with.
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    I preferred this thread when it was all about the pics.


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    This is amazing! The first thing that strikes me is so much of the planet looks blue! Mars has always been been noted for being red. The blue color is unexpected.



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    This is amazing! The first thing that strikes me is so much of the planet looks blue! Mars has always been been noted for being red. The blue color is unexpected.


    I love that too! I think it's so isolating looking at that valley of just endless space but at the same time it's so freeing. Only a few places on earth can you really look out and see no hills, no vegetation, no people, no water, or no buildings

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    Scientists Discover Tectonic Plates on Mars



    For decades, scientists have believed that Earth was peculiar in having tectonic plates. Now, though, a UCLA geologist has found evidence that Mars, too, exhibits the same crustal plates beneath its surface.
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    The evidence Yin uses is visual and might not indicate that there are plates on Mars today.

    Seismographic evidence would be stronger.

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    Earth, Jupiter and Venus from the skyline of Mars



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    Earth, Jupiter and Venus, in the skyline of Mars.
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    But it HAS provided you with:
    If this is not putting someone on blast, I don't even know what is.

    All these pictures are phenomenal, take me to Mars, plx.

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    Earth, Jupiter and Venus, in the skyline of Mars.
    Yes! One of our images works!

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    Earth, Jupiter and Venus, in the skyline of Mars.
    Which is which? I'm guessing based on size from top to bottom Earth, Venus, Jupiter



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    Titled "Curiosity may have a problem" on Reddit









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    First HD fully colored Panorama shot of Mars




    I have no words for this


    MARS Greeley Haven 360 Panorama
    That is freakin' awesome. I've just wasted 20 minutes watching that.

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    Earth, Jupiter and Venus, in the skyline of Mars.
    Just stunning, and awe inspiring and awesome. It's one thing to be taught as kids about other planets, but I never really realised that those planets were more than just names I learnt by rotation if that makes any sense. Seeing the actual ground and sky and all that stuff is something I never thought would happen in my life time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenstar View Post
    Just stunning, and awe inspiring and awesome. It's one thing to be taught as kids about other planets, but I never really realised that those planets were more than just names I learnt by rotation if that makes any sense. Seeing the actual ground and sky and all that stuff is something I never thought would happen in my life time.

    The ground is so red there, it's scary.

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    These links are a mess
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    Fake pictures - most of them taken from a "xeriscape" set near Chatsworth....ROFL. They ran out of places in Burbank quite some time ago.
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    Mars looks like an abandon beach. Pretty boring and disappointing looking. I want to see Saturn.
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    ^ WTF did you expect? A welcoming parade?

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    Which is which? I'm guessing based on size from top to bottom Earth, Venus, Jupiter
    My guess is, from the bottom: Earth, Jupiter and then Venus. Earth is the brightest object in the solar system after the Sun. And Earth being the largest of the rocky planets and much closer to Mars than Jupiter, it would appear larger in Mars' sky. Just a guess though.

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    Wow


    Truly a cousin of Earth

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