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    I believe in God

    I believe something is tenuously trying to make life in the universe, true it is still within the law of entropy so we destroy and reap chaos, but I believe what we create out of the chaos we sow is love. We have to consume and waste but we do so in order to have love and perpetuate these feelings so that love can be experienced by more and more through time.

    I believe in life on other planets, I think we are a fucking rarity and incredibly lucky that our rock hurling through space is still intact, but the universe is huge there just must be some other life somewhere.

    Even so I think Nietzsche was off-base. God is not dead, he is still holding our dimensions and laws of physics together. God just doesnt care. Inside of whats inside of whats inside of the higgs boson (purely as a hyperbolic example, I know that this isnt God, haha) must lie something transcending reality as we can experience it and is beyond our detection. Maybe one day we can observe more of these things, but there must be a limit of what can be observed and even hypothesized. But in terms of our lives, why should we be so arrogant to believe God is responsible for getting us that parking space, or backward-ass-ly-worse, calling us to kill each other.

    Maybe it is because of some horrors I have lived through but I do not feel that being jaded, jilted, or just misunderstood and alone has led me to this conclusion. I just believe that God, being omnipotent and all powerful, would be smart enough to not give a fuck about what we do and think and rather only wants us to feel love and infuses us with feelings. Good or bad, we are filled by these collective emotions and reveal the masks of our true selves to others. It can only be, and hopefully will be universally accepted and fulfilled, man that loves his fellow man. God cannot ~love~ us, we have to love each other. And it is God that gave us love and the circumstances to have life, so we must love each other and live our lives.

    In the end I share somewhat Hindu beliefs in that the idea we get to walk around in our 25 year old bodies is retarded. I think we are absolved of our lives, memories, and selves entirely as our life force becomes one with the ether. I believe we are recycled, our love goes to rest and be with God, and our energy is reformed to perpetuate love. Our energy being a piece of God himself. I cannot wait to take all the love I have and give it back to God, despite feeling hated and abandoned by the Christian God (my parents think Im a dirty sinner blah blah, they tell me there ok with it, they never suspected I was gay and always bashed gays and tried to get me to hate them, so surprise you born-again bigot, you have a gay son!).

    I have such intense love for all mankind, each one of my friends I try and know so intensely. I laugh, love, cry with them. They sleep in my bed and hold me close, girl or guy. We have a normal college frat boy or artist crowd lives at day and are gregarious and fun but my friends are all used to bearing their souls to me and I feel so so so privileged to feel this special love and trust fill me all the time. I am so hated by the world and alone and heartbroken but I have so much intense love and passion and feel so connected like I want to hold every human close to my heart. And I cannot wait to give all this love I have made back to God and have the immense span of my emotions become spread out into so many new lives or chances for love as the essence of what is me dissolves into the space between space to build God. I do not feel loved by God, and by mathematical odds, I actually should realize he probably hates me and has made my life so hard. Even still, I love God, I love mankind, and I want to just devote my life to making others feel love fill them up like it does to me.

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    Re: I believe in God

    Why do you need a concept of god to love others. I'm an atheist and I love others (who deserve ofcourse) because I care about this world and it's future. The universe is my "god". If god is so perfect, there's absolutely no reason to worship him/her/it.

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    Re: I believe in God

    So sorry. You'll get over it. Try therapy. Or, Walt Disney.

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    Re: I believe in God

    Personally -- I LOVE your post...

    The part about God hating you troubles me however...

    IF God IS love -- how is that even POSSIBLE???

    My arrogance allows me to believe that God put gay people on earth to make it a more beautiful and interesting place -- we are a GIFT to the world...

    Thanks again for posting...

    You are a BEAUTIFUL person...

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    ok then ...................
    What do you mean "they sleep in your bed" ?
    All the students sleep in your bed and that means love ?


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    Re: I believe in God

    Quote Originally Posted by Slaveboy View Post
    If god is so perfect, there's absolutely no reason to worship him/her/it.
    Non sequitur.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: I believe in God

    Quote Originally Posted by Slaveboy View Post
    If god is so perfect, there's absolutely no reason to worship him/her/it.
    I'm not the most spiritual person, but I think that traditionally the act of worship is a response of gratitude and love, not a requirement or anything that God needs.
    In response to the question 'Why do you need a concept of god to love others?' You don't.

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    Re: I believe in God

    Quote Originally Posted by kombatwombat View Post
    I'm not the most spiritual person, but I think that traditionally the act of worship is a response of gratitude and love, not a requirement or anything that God needs.
    In response to the question 'Why do you need a concept of god to love others?' You don't.
    So "You shall worship the LORD your God" isn't a command, but an instruction as where to aim your worship -- it assumes that humans worship, and tells them where that worship belongs?

    Insightful.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Re: I believe in God

    Quote Originally Posted by kombatwombat View Post
    I'm not the most spiritual person, but I think that traditionally the act of worship is a response of gratitude and love, not a requirement or anything that God needs.
    In response to the question 'Why do you need a concept of god to love others?' You don't.
    To truly be able to love others, one must love God first above all others...then that love you have for God flows out to Family, friends, wives, Husbands, Boyfriends, and yes, the Outcasts and dregs of Society. Fore if you Love God, but not your neighbor, then you would be called a Liar.

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    Re: I believe in God

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyLove View Post
    To truly be able to love others, one must love God first above all others...then that love you have for God flows out to Family, friends, wives, Husbands, Boyfriends, and yes, the Outcasts and dregs of Society. Fore if you Love God, but not your neighbor, then you would be called a Liar.
    I hope you realize how offensive your post is. You are saying that because someone does not believe like you, does not subscribe to your unsubstantiated, subjective, and, as your post demonstrates, decisive and dividing belief, that they are unable to "truly love others" because "one must love god first". Do you not recognize how alienating your belief is? You know what, I fear the person that loves god above all others. What actions might they take when forced to choose the love of god versus the love of others?

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    Re: I believe in God

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyLove View Post
    To truly be able to love others, one must love God first above all others...then that love you have for God flows out to Family, friends, wives, Husbands, Boyfriends, and yes, the Outcasts and dregs of Society. Fore if you Love God, but not your neighbor, then you would be called a Liar.
    Depends on what you mean by "truly".

    To maintain that those who don't love God can't love at all is very bad theology. God is love; man is made in the image of God; therefore all man are capable of love.

    The only love that can claim to be possible only for those who love God is that which loves everyone, without hate, without judgment, without hesitation, without restraint.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Quote Originally Posted by FirmaFan View Post
    I hope you realize how offensive your post is. You are saying that because someone does not believe like you, does not subscribe to your unsubstantiated, subjective, and, as your post demonstrates, decisive and dividing belief, that they are unable to "truly love others" because "one must love god first". Do you not recognize how alienating your belief is? You know what, I fear the person that loves god above all others. What actions might they take when forced to choose the love of god versus the love of others?
    Except Mikey noted that he who loves God can't refrain from loving others. I'll go farther and say that he who loves God will love all that God has made.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Re: I believe in God

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Except Mikey noted that he who loves God can't refrain from loving others. I'll go farther and say that he who loves God will love all that God has made.
    Love of all things because of a love for god can and has been expressed with some very serious consequences.

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    Re: I believe in God

    Here's a Bible Passage that relates to my last posting in this thread: From 1 John, chapter 4

    19We love because he first loved us. 20If anyone says, “I love God,” but hates his brother, he is a liar; for whoever does not love a brother whom he has seen cannot love God* whom he has not seen.j 21This is the commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother.k

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    Hmmm ... love his 'brother' ...

    and yet, apparently, Jesus also said this ..."If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters--yes, even his own life--he cannot be my disciple.'' Luke 14:26 NIV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoodedRat View Post
    ^
    Hmmm ... love his 'brother' ...

    and yet, apparently, Jesus also said this ..."If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters--yes, even his own life--he cannot be my disciple.'' Luke 14:26 NIV.
    I believe Jesus was a man like David Koresh without any miracle powers.
    And his mum wasn't a virgin.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HoodedRat View Post
    ^
    Hmmm ... love his 'brother' ...

    and yet, apparently, Jesus also said this ..."If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters--yes, even his own life--he cannot be my disciple.'' Luke 14:26 NIV.
    "Hate" is a very misunderstood word. It doesn't mean in Greek (or Hebrew, for that matter) what it does in English -- for starters, the emotional content is lacking.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    "Hate" is a very misunderstood word. It doesn't mean in Greek (or Hebrew, for that matter) what it does in English -- for starters, the emotional content is lacking.
    I've heard miseo - hate- translated as love less than. Apparently it was a linguistic bit of weirdness that you had love, and you had hate, no word for like, so hate being an extreme word covered a lot of ground, as did love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kombatwombat View Post
    I've heard miseo - hate- translated as love less than. Apparently it was a linguistic bit of weirdness that you had love, and you had hate, no word for like, so hate being an extreme word covered a lot of ground, as did love.
    That's stretching the point, though there's some truth there. It could also be rendered "regard as inimical to [me]", which is more an objective phrasing which itself loses some of the meaning, because there is some emotional content to the Greek word.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoodedRat View Post
    ^
    Hmmm ... love his 'brother' ...

    and yet, apparently, Jesus also said this ..."If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters--yes, even his own life--he cannot be my disciple.'' Luke 14:26 NIV.
    It seems to me the message communicates that to walk the same path, you must forsake all else. The message itself doesn’t have to be limited to the Christian experience, if you think about it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    It seems to me the message communicates that to walk the same path, you must forsake all else. The message itself doesn’t have to be limited to the Christian experience, if you think about it.
    If I am correct...a Buddist Monk has to forsake all else in order to do what he has to do as a Monk, though he doesn't have a god, and Budda was never a god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    because there is some emotional content to the Greek word.
    Yes, I agree of course there is an emotional aspect to the word.

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    And she believes in you.


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    Re: I believe in God

    Quote Originally Posted by FirmaFan View Post
    I hope you realize how offensive your post is. You are saying that because someone does not believe like you, does not subscribe to your unsubstantiated, subjective, and, as your post demonstrates, decisive and dividing belief, that they are unable to "truly love others" because "one must love god first". Do you not recognize how alienating your belief is? You know what, I fear the person that loves god above all others. What actions might they take when forced to choose the love of god versus the love of others?
    I completely agree with you. How ignorant it is effectively to say that because I don't love your imaginary god, then I can't love others. Let's not forget how many deaths have occurred because people loved their god so much that they inflicted him on their neighbors -- also whom they claimed to love.

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