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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMajestic View Post

    Ironically Franks new CD drops July 17th....Big SURPRISE on that one....
    this. sounds like he did it for the publicity and you pretty much hit the nail on the head. it sounds like frank is just coming clean. his past actions may not dictate his future actions. it might have been a one time thing.

    i agree with what you said lex about him helping closet guys like me come out but sometimes, i question if some of these people come out for the greater good of other people or if they just do it for other reasons such as attention or whatever else. coming out is basically a life changing experience. once you come out, you can't go back in. it's one of those blood in, blood out things.
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    One thing we all know is that you gotta be careful when you choose a Celebrity as a role-Model..Celebrities change according to the DEMANDS of their career...

    Elton John is a Celeb with a good coming out Story...

    Ricky Martin is another one..

    CNN Anchor Don Lemon is another one.

    Wanda Sykes is another one...

    Even Anderson Cooper is another one....

    Frank Ocean hasnt confirmed anything to anybody...And he might not talk about it any further...That is his choice...We'll see...

    Does Frank deserve Praise for talking about a past Love affair with a Man or should he be given a simple high-Five?

    Frank is intelligent enough to put his thoughts and gift @ songwriting on Paper...I wanna see if he's able to step out of the recording studio, put down his cell and stop tweeting his personal Shit and address ALL of this to the Public LIVE....He got what he wanted Via Social Networking and through the Mainstream Media weeks before his CD is due...

    Now I wanna see if he's gonna stand by anything he's disclosed about his past....I'm sure Babs Walters would LOVE to do a 20/20 segment on him...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen_Walker View Post
    Okay so I listened to a song of his called Sweet Life. I found it listenable though not something I would buy - a little sappy and emo.

    Also I learned that apparently there is a "Black Beverley Hills" called "Ladera Heights" and I read the history of it. I don't even know where to start with that one. The idea of colour-coded neighbourhoods just doesn't compute, especially happening in the 1970s.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMajestic View Post
    One thing we all know is that you gotta be careful when you choose a Celebrity as a role-Model..Celebrities change according to the DEMANDS of their career...

    Elton John is a Celeb with a good coming out Story...

    Ricky Martin is another one..

    CNN Anchor Don Lemon is another one.

    Wanda Sykes is another one...

    Even Anderson Cooper is another one....

    Frank Ocean hasnt confirmed anything to anybody...And he might not talk about it any further...That is his choice...We'll see...

    Does Frank deserve Praise for talking about a past Love affair with a Man or should he be given a simple high-Five?

    Frank is intelligent enough to put his thoughts and gift @ songwriting on Paper...I wanna see if he's able to step out of the recording studio, put down his cell and stop tweeting his personal Shit and address ALL of this to the Public LIVE....He got what he wanted Via Social Networking and through the Mainstream Media weeks before his CD is due...

    Now I wanna see if he's gonna stand by anything he's disclosed about his past....I'm sure Babs Walters would LOVE to do a 20/20 segment on him...
    i'll give frank ocean for admitting something that is pretty much a no no in the hip hop/r&b realm and the black community. that's something that you pretty much can't do because it's very homophobic. even being openly gay in the black community is difficult because once again, it's very homophobic. this could come back to bite frank ocean in the ass because people might not want to buy his record and as far as i could see, i haven't heard any music single of his charting or whatever. maybe this is because the record label is scared to push him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMajestic View Post
    Elton John is a Celeb with a good coming out Story...
    Really? He sort of haphazardly came out as bisexual in the mid-70s. And although he never truly took that back, he distanced himself from those comments enough that the major biography that was put out in 1990 about him stated that he was actually straight, and was "just confused" during the 1970s due to the stress and strain of being a rock star. It considered his mid-80s marriage (to a woman) to be the final word on the subject - he got married to a woman, so he's straight, end of story. Elton John, who talked at length to the biographer for the book, didn't bother correcting this.

    And note that all (most?) of the people you mention had extremely solid careers behind them before they officially came out. Even if you consider Elton John's revelation in 1976 to be his "official" coming out, he already had several number one albums and singles to his credit by that point. Frank Ocean is still very early in his career.

    Is he doing it all for the publicity? To an extent, sure. But we live in a world where the two things are no longer able to be separated. (If indeed they ever were.) Twitter and Facebook and all of that are part and parcel of being a "celebrity" these days. It's as much a requirement as "doing press" used to be. And if he used these platforms to come out, and thus generate interest in his forthcoming album, all I can say is:

    We are now to the point where coming out of the closet is considered a good move to promote interest in your work.

    And if that's accurate, thank God we've gotten there.

    Lex

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    Quote Originally Posted by refujiunderground View Post
    i'll give frank ocean for admitting something that is pretty much a no no in the hip hop/r&b realm and the black community. that's something that you pretty much can't do because it's very homophobic. even being openly gay in the black community is difficult because once again, it's very homophobic. this could come back to bite frank ocean in the ass because people might not want to buy his record and as far as i could see, i haven't heard any music single of his charting or whatever. maybe this is because the record label is scared to push him.
    You made some valid points but Black folks STILL go to Wanda Sykes Comedy Concerts...Black folks STILL watch Don Lemon on CNN and listen to him when he does his News-spot on The Warren Ballentine radio show....Waren has the MOST Liberal & Conservative Black listeners out of all the liberal radio shows and they havent threatened to stop listening because Don is reporting the News...

    So what does that tell you? The Media says the majority of Blacks are homophobic...Do any of your Black friends & relatives HATE on Gays?....Mine don't and I've been knowing my Black relatives for a long time...

    As Black people we have to STOP letting the Media DEFINE us..We're not as bad as they make us out to be....We are the MOST forgiving race of people in America...That is a FACT...

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    So what makes Frank Ocean so interesting? Is it the music or the lyrics?

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    You made some valid points but Black folks STILL go to Wanda Sykes Comedy Concerts...Black folks STILL watch Don Lemon on CNN and listen to him when he does his News-spot on The Warren Ballentine radio show....Waren has the MOST Liberal & Conservative Black listeners out of all the liberal radio shows and they havent threatened to stop listening because Don is reporting the News...

    So what does that tell you? The Media says the majority of Blacks are homophobic...Do any of your Black friends & relatives HATE on Gays?....Mine don't and I've been knowing my Black relatives for a long time...

    As Black people we have to STOP letting the Media DEFINE us..We're not as bad as they make us out to be....We are the MOST forgiving race of people in America...That is a FACT...
    yes, i know a lot of them that do. my relatives and friends are homophobic. i'll hear them saying homophobic comments on the regular tip saying how disgusted they are with it. my brother had a discussion with me about how he thought the notorious big was gay and last week, he said something about diane king, some old school reggae singer that was on biggie's first album, was gay furthering his suspicions on biggie. #- just couldn't imagine how he would react if i told him that i was gay. i know him and my homeboy would freak out but then again, they think something is wrong with me already. they might try to get me a prostitute or encourage me to get women.

    hell, the homophobia in the black community is bad where there's this idea that some people have where black people can't be gay. to them, it's pretty much a thing that only white people do, believe it or not. i've heard many black people say this and the crazy thing is that they think that so and so who is a black gay person came out to be gay because they got molested as a child or whatever. the general sentiment is that so and so is gay so something is wrong with them, they're sexual deviants. they see it on the level of having sex with animals or having sex with children.

    but i'm just saying this because these are the type of people that i pretty much am around. there might be black people that are tolerant towards gay people but i rarely see them and for the most part, they're usually black women and you know how some women outthere treat their gay friends.
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    but hell, as far as i know, the hip hop community thinks that record labels are tied in with sex crazed record execs that happen to be gay where artists that are successful on the charts had to have gay sex to get their way to the top. they look @ that shit is some evil, predatory shit. so imagine how they view frank ocean. they'll also use the whole "frank ocean is the most successful one out of the odd future bunch, even more successful than tyler, the creator. he probably had to suck somebody off to get that def jam deal he got." that's why you'll hear rumors on message boards and all over the web about diddy, russell simmons, quincy jones, and all these other guys being gay in the rap business but yet there's such a strong anti-gay vibe/attitude going on where you could get fucked up for being gay. it's pretty much the same way in the streets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by refujiunderground View Post
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    yes, i know a lot of them that do. my relatives and friends are homophobic. i'll hear them saying homophobic comments on the regular tip saying how disgusted they are with it. my brother had a discussion with me about how he thought the notorious big was gay and last week, he said something about diane king, some old school reggae singer that was on biggie's first album, was gay furthering his suspicions on biggie. #- just couldn't imagine how he would react if i told him that i was gay. i know him and my homeboy would freak out but then again, they think something is wrong with me already. they might try to get me a prostitute or encourage me to get women.

    hell, the homophobia in the black community is bad where there's this idea that some people have where black people can't be gay. to them, it's pretty much a thing that only white people do, believe it or not. i've heard many black people say this and the crazy thing is that they think that so and so who is a black gay person came out to be gay because they got molested as a child or whatever. the general sentiment is that so and so is gay so something is wrong with them, they're sexual deviants. they see it on the level of having sex with animals or having sex with children.

    but i'm just saying this because these are the type of people that i pretty much am around. there might be black people that are tolerant towards gay people but i rarely see them and for the most part, they're usually black women and you know how some women outthere treat their gay friends.
    So every single one of your Black relatives and all of your Black friends fit all the negative Stereotypes?

    So you are constantly surrounded by negativity from people that are related to you and people that look like you?

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    So every single one of your Black relatives and all of your Black friends fit all the negative Stereotypes?

    So you are constantly surrounded by negativity from people that are related to you and people that look like you?
    didn't you ask if the people around me were homophobic? if so than from what i know, majority of them are homophobic. you'll even hear it from strangers too black like me saying homophobic things outloud in public places.

    hell, i was at the gym last week friday and there were like four black guys and a spanish dude, i never seen before in my life, saying some homophobic comments about how they thought so and so was gay, that person was a big homo and saying how disgusting it was. my homeboy and my brother were talking about transsexuals with my homeboy saying "now we're accepting gay people , watch out for the transsexuals". my brother told him a story about how some transsexuals tried to scare him on his way to work and how they were about to "run up on him on some gangster shit, probably trying to rape him". i'm not making this up.
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    Frank's not a public person. he never made singles for the radio and doesn't play the whole celebrity role, so if you're waiting for him to stand at a podium and proclaim his sexuality, you'll be waiting for a while.

    his mom and crew members confirmed he is indeed bisexual, so that's enough for me. i don't think it would be wise to use the i'm gay thing as a publicity stunt in the rap industry, if could backfire horribly. he didn't come out and say he was gay. he had songs on his album where he said "he" instead of "she" and "boy" instead of "girl" and the rumors started. he confirmed it in his thank you notes on his album, so i don't think he's really using this as means to get publicity for his album, just as a way to come clean

    anyway, album just dropped on itunes tonight and its amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmcttbd View Post
    Frank's not a public person. he never made singles for the radio and doesn't play the whole celebrity role, so if you're waiting for him to stand at a podium and proclaim his sexuality, you'll be waiting for a while.

    his mom and crew members confirmed he is indeed bisexual, so that's enough for me. i don't think it would be wise to use the i'm gay thing as a publicity stunt in the rap industry, if could backfire horribly. he didn't come out and say he was gay. he had songs on his album where he said "he" instead of "she" and "boy" instead of "girl" and the rumors started. he confirmed it in his thank you notes on his album, so i don't think he's really using this as means to get publicity for his album, just as a way to come clean

    anyway, album just dropped on itunes tonight and its amazing.
    aiyo, i hear what you're saying but my eyes got wide when i read that you actually brought the album on itunes. don't you know i could have got you it for free. i'm all for the gift of helping people especially when it comes to downloading albums and movies for free.
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    The album is #1 at iTunes US. Well deserved success.

    Ocean performed his new single ("Bad Religion") at Late Night with Jimmy Fallon (link below) Bad Religion is a song about the unrequited love of a man.

    Frank Ocean & The Roots live: "Bad Religion"
    Frank Ocean Performs "Bad Religion" - Music - Late Night with Jimmy Fallon

    Some reactions after Ocean's announcement (NYTimes):
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/07/ar...pagewanted=all

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    He is slaying.


    Good for him releasing actual R&B music. God knows that genre hasn't sold a damn thing in the past five years.


    Lets see if he can keep this up. Remember, he doesn't have a hit single to help promote himself. All he has is his artistry and album. Clearly it's more than enough for him.

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    I already had two people I follow on Twitter say how great the album is - both R&B fans, both straight, neither making any reference to his sexuality.

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    He doesn't owe anyone any explanations at all.

    He puts out music. We like it, we buy it. We don't like it, we don't buy it. Simple as that.

    BTW, he new release is great.

    It's about the music people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilTwinTwo View Post
    …It's about the music people.
    What's best, the music or the words?

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    I believe most of today's Entertainment Stars are indeed Gay, so this means little to people such as myself. As for the significance of his letter, that is indeed a big deal because he is "masculine" in my view. If he was a Fem Queen like Adam Lambert or Miguel, it would be no big deal to anyone on the planet.
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    I wonder who Chelsea Handler was talking about on her show last night??? 50cent maybe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yves View Post
    Ocean performed his new single ("Bad Religion") at Late Night with Jimmy Fallon (link below) Bad Religion is a song about the unrequited love of a man.

    Frank Ocean & The Roots live: "Bad Religion"
    Frank Ocean Performs "Bad Religion" - Music - Late Night with Jimmy Fallon

    That was beautiful. The production, the lyrics, the mood...everything.

    WOW!

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    aiyo, i hear what you're saying but my eyes got wide when i read that you actually brought the album on itunes. don't you know i could have got you it for free. i'm all for the gift of helping people especially when it comes to downloading albums and movies for free.


    i feel you, but i usually support artist that deserve it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalFudge View Post
    He is slaying.


    Good for him releasing actual R&B music. God knows that genre hasn't sold a damn thing in the past five years.


    Lets see if he can keep this up. Remember, he doesn't have a hit single to help promote himself. All he has is his artistry and album. Clearly it's more than enough for him.

    I would agree with you if Maxwell didn't go platinum with his most recent album, BLACKsummer'snight, but he did so R&B is doing alright...

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    Who the fuck doesnt release an album on Amazon MP3 these days? Only iTunes really?!

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    Now that "Channel Orange" has arrived on iTunes, that sigh of relief has become a squeal of excitement. And rightly so: over 17 tracks, some of which spin into nothingness and others which poke longingly at the meaning of the universe, "Channel Orange" presents a complex view of American life from the mind of superbly talented writer and vocalist. On "Channel Orange," Ocean is preoccupied with wealth, drugs and sex, but instead of toasting his newfound fame and its spoils, the singer pulls at the thread of their existence, and paws at the idea of love and its place in between all of the shiny material. Happiness is constantly out of Ocean's reach on these songs, whether he's calling unrequited love a "one-man cult" or sitting on his roof, wondering what his next move is when he has everything. There are celebratory moments, but there is a lot of confusion from a young man forging an unfamiliar path.
    Frank Ocean, 'Channel Orange': Track-By-Track Review | Billboard.com

    I guess I will break down and buy iTunes.

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    It;s out in stores on the 17th. Assuming it'll be on Amazon then?

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    Listened to a couple tracks.


    Not here for this at all. Glad people are enjoying it though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NaughtyArousal View Post
    It;s out in stores on the 17th. Assuming it'll be on Amazon then?
    Its out early on iTunes if you guys want it now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kayman23 View Post
    I would agree with you if Maxwell didn't go platinum with his most recent album, BLACKsummer'snight, but he did so R&B is doing alright...


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    Target Won't Carry Frank Ocean's 'Channel Orange'

    Latest Music News, Band, Artist, Musician & Music Video News | Billboard.com

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    Frank Ocean's "Channel Orange" should debut at No. 2 with perhaps 130,000 -- a bit more than forecasted on Wednesday (July 11). The set was initially exclusively released via the iTunes Store on July 10 -- a week before its advertised street date of July 17. Since it dropped digitally, physical retailers have been instructed by Ocean's label to start selling the CD version as soon as it arrives in stores. In turn, many brick-and-mortar retailers will have the album on its shelves over the weekend.

    Latest Music News, Band, Artist, Musician & Music Video News | Billboard.com

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    Guys, you have to give this artist a chance. No, his music won't be for everyone (i happen to love it), but at least listen to these two songs: "Bad Religion" and "Forrest Gump". How often do you hear a song written and sung by a male that you can completely relate to, without the target of the song being "her" or a female?? Oh..NEVER. To know that you can sing along to these songs without having to change "her" to "him" in your head is quite awesome. The first time I heard the Bad Religion song, I thought it was good, so, I played it again. When I listened to the words, I cried. The song is about Frank's love for another man that doesn't feel the same...I'm guessing the guy is straight. This hits home for me, as I have had strong feelings for my straight best friend for some time, now. It's just really comforting. Sure, there are tons of songs about being in love with your best friend, but they are all male to female, or female to male. The song says, "I can never make HIM love me". The rest of the songs on the album reference females, so maybe he's bisexual. I would like this album, regardless, but the two songs I mentioned really put it over the top for me.

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    The door is open to the closet to see more coming out.

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    His music is not traditional R&B or hip-hop (I don't think it's hip-hop at all really) so I don't think he's even catering to that crowd.
    The majority of people buying his albums will most likely be white and progressive.

    Anyway, I downloaded his album and it seems like it was produced well. The reviews are ridiculously good. Not particularly my kind of music though. A little too mainstream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bike10 View Post
    The door is open to the closet to see more coming out.
    yeah but if you ask me, being openly gay in towards world is taboo.
    one thing about the closet/you don't have to hurry/it will be bad tomorrow/so brother, don't you worry

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    Quote Originally Posted by refujiunderground View Post
    yeah but if you ask me, being openly gay in towards world is taboo.

    Did you mean to say "Today's" world?


    What does that have to do with anything? The fact is Frank Ocean has had one of the highest rated debut albums of the 21st century and has sold more albums than anyone previously thought



    All because he admitted to loving a man.



    I guess "Taboo" is now an easy way to make money.



    Clearly because you live in an environment where you cannot thrive off of your sexual orientation your view point is skewed.


    Unfortunately so is your objectivity.

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    I hope this Ocean guy gets lots more popular so the gay boys can stop idolising Barbie dolls like Aguilera and Gaga and Britney

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    Btw, his publicity isn't because he's gay. It's because he's actually good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalFudge View Post
    Did you mean to say "Today's" world?


    What does that have to do with anything? The fact is Frank Ocean has had one of the highest rated debut albums of the 21st century and has sold more albums than anyone previously thought



    All because he admitted to loving a man.



    I guess "Taboo" is now an easy way to make money.



    Clearly because you live in an environment where you cannot thrive off of your sexual orientation your view point is skewed.


    Unfortunately so is your objectivity.
    yeah, i meant to say today. sorry for that.

    and reviews are simply opinions. am i supposed to give a fuck more about an opinion because it's reviewed by someone who works for pitchfolk.com or rollingstone. i can think for myself. i don't need anybody to tell me if an album is hot or not. why would you bring that up as if it's supposed to say anything?

    you talk as if there are no hate crimes involving gay people being the victims or homophobia going around. you must be living under a rock. i just read a news article where a young guy in his 20s was assaulted by two women in their 20s for being gay yesterday. they smashed his head open with a liquor bottle. the other day, in fact, either yesterday or on saturday at my job, we had a customer using the f-word to one of his friends for whatever reason in front of everybody. i was like wow. his friend looked upset and tried to play it off. this is right in the state of new jersey too. not the south. i don't think where you're at but contrary to belief, it's not okay to be openly gay. you can be open about it but don't expect people to be tolerant.

    and oh yeah, the hip hop community for the most part really aren't feeling this whole frank ocean being bisexual thing at all. try living outside the gay community one time. i called it taboo because we all know how people like to generate attention in this case, frank ocean's just trying to use his sexual orientation for a buzz for his album. he could have done it anytime he pleased to do it. just like we have lady gaga running around trying to use the lgbt community as one of her really stunts for attention.
    one thing about the closet/you don't have to hurry/it will be bad tomorrow/so brother, don't you worry

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    *sigh* the song Bad Religion is me right now. :'(

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo View Post
    *sigh* the song Bad Religion is me right now. :'(
    that sucks. I know the feeling ALL too well.



    I loved that song instantly because I have been there many times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by refujiunderground View Post

    and reviews are simply opinions.
    When did I say that reviews were anything other than someone's opinion?

    Quote Originally Posted by refujiunderground View Post
    am i supposed to give a fuck more about an opinion because it's reviewed by someone who works for pitchfolk.com or rollingstone. i can think for myself
    Did I ask you to give a fuck?

    You have a tendency to not only put words/ideas/fallacies in my mouth but then to talk to me like I am the one spouting off nonsense


    Quote Originally Posted by refujiunderground View Post
    you talk as if there are no hate crimes involving gay people


    I do? Okay, lets review my post again and you let me know where I say there are no hate crimes towards gay people


    "Did you mean to say "Today's" world?


    What does that have to do with anything? The fact is Frank Ocean has had one of the highest rated debut albums of the 21st century and has sold more albums than anyone previously thought



    All because he admitted to loving a man.



    I guess "Taboo" is now an easy way to make money.



    Clearly because you live in an environment where you cannot thrive off of your sexual orientation your view point is skewed.


    Unfortunately so is your objectivity."



    Lets see, I said that his album got rave reviews: Fact


    I said that him coming out got him more sales: Fact





    You know what I now realize about you, Refuji.



    You don't like facts that you disagree with. Or that you don't first hand experience.


    The great thing is these facts don't go away just because you lack the awareness of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalFudge View Post
    When did I say that reviews were anything other than someone's opinion?



    Did I ask you to give a fuck?

    You have a tendency to not only put words/ideas/fallacies in my mouth but then to talk to me like I am the one spouting off nonsense






    I do? Okay, lets review my post again and you let me know where I say there are no hate crimes towards gay people


    "Did you mean to say "Today's" world?


    What does that have to do with anything? The fact is Frank Ocean has had one of the highest rated debut albums of the 21st century and has sold more albums than anyone previously thought



    All because he admitted to loving a man.



    I guess "Taboo" is now an easy way to make money.



    Clearly because you live in an environment where you cannot thrive off of your sexual orientation your view point is skewed.


    Unfortunately so is your objectivity."



    Lets see, I said that his album got rave reviews: Fact


    I said that him coming out got him more sales: Fact





    You know what I now realize about you, Refuji.



    You don't like facts that you disagree with. Or that you don't first hand experience.


    The great thing is these facts don't go away just because you lack the awareness of them.
    oh god. talk about putting words into people's mouths. that's YOU. you noticed that you responded to me begging me to respond to you back. then you turn around and talk about me putting words into your mouth.

    since you don't get it and want to play stupid. i'll break it down so you can understand.

    just because some person who has an favorable opinion, the key word, OPINION, about an album doesn't MEAN SHIT. you talk about rave reviews from media outlets but yet you fail to see that a review from a magazine, a tv show, or whatever else is just a glorified opinion. just because someone likes something or doesn't like something doesn't mean that IT is factually good. you understand that now? so you using a bunch of people's opinions towards an album doesn't mean shit.

    frank ocean album did about what, 100,000 on itunes which is good in today's standards since most artists can't even go gold let alone platnium these days. however in the record industry, an artist really isn't shit if they can't go gold or platnium saleswise. that's what record labels look for. if he can't go gold, then chances are that his career will pretty much go downhill as the record label may not be willing to invest in him since he's on a major label. bad enough, he's a part of the odd future imprint which has failed to translate it's buzz onto the record charts as the next big thing so they're pretty much relying on him to do big. i think him trying to come out was a way of boosting up his sales by branching himself out to a wider audience other than the hip hop/r&b scene but in reality, his sales show otherwise. his next week sales will show you where he's at in terms of sales. it's known fact that someone's second week sales is a huge drop from the first week. i honestly think him coming out as bi may have hurt his career since this is his first album and nobody outside the rap/r&b arena ever heard of him until the moment he said he was bi. he pretty much needs to rap/r&b support since that is his MAIN foundation. once he loses that like how nicki minaj disowned the hip hop audience which was her foundation, then he's done.

    and yeah, being openly gay in today's world is still taboo. it's that people are a little bit more used to it now compared to how it was 10 years ago. it's that the public acknowledges it a bit more now since the last decade. it's slowly starting to become okay to be gay but we're not quite there yet and we won't be for a long time.
    one thing about the closet/you don't have to hurry/it will be bad tomorrow/so brother, don't you worry

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    That "Novocaine" song...whatever.

    I liked "Bad Religion."

    But it was after listening to the Jay-Z/Kanye album and specifically their collaboration with Frank Ocean recently that I decided I truly love his voice:



    It's the chorus he's singing, btw:

    Human beings in a mob
    What's a mob to a king?
    What's a king to a God?
    What's a God to a non-believer
    who don't believe in anything?


    It's a nice video, too. I love that none of the artists are in it.

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    Oh My God.

    This guy's album is AMAZING!! SO GOOD!!!





    Him being on our team is just the icing on the cake. I can't wish this guy enough success. He might fuck around and bring R&B back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NaughtyArousal View Post
    Him being on our team is just the icing on the cake.

    His girlfriend may disagree with you

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    Quote Originally Posted by NaughtyArousal View Post
    Oh My God.

    This guy's album is AMAZING!! SO GOOD!!!





    Him being on our team is just the icing on the cake. I can't wish this guy enough success. He might fuck around and bring R&B back.
    he stuck his dick the disksette and it never came out.
    one thing about the closet/you don't have to hurry/it will be bad tomorrow/so brother, don't you worry

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    ^Shaddup!

    I was with you on the Novacane song, but you're done now. Channel Orange is awesome.

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