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    Jerry Sandusky guilty in 45 of the 48 total counts against him

    It's unfolding, live, right now.

    Mods, please merge this thread if other threads are started at the same time.

    He is off to jail now...his life in public is forever finished.

    He can never traumatize a child again.
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    BREAKING: Jerry Sandusky Guilty On 45 Of 48 Counts « CBS Philly

    Beat me to it. Yep, he's going to be in prison forever. He'll never get out. And thank goodness for that.

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    Sandusky's attorney... pathetic... trying to spin it anyway he can... no words to describe. Complaining Sandusky couldn't testify, then saying that people got executed and were proven innocent. Sorry but the sheer amount of evidence in this case showed otherwise. He was getting heckled...

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    Re: Jerry Sandusky guilty in 45 of the 48 total counts against him

    I just heard on my radio that the Sandusky family is unhappy with the verdict.
    I wonder if the mayor of Sandusky, Ohio would consider the name change option?

    But seriously, if I were one of "Coach" Sandusky's victims, I don't think I ever would be able to trust anyone without some heavy-duty counseling. How very sad.

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    Re: Jerry Sandusky guilty in 45 of the 48 total counts against him

    Justice has been served. May he rot in hell after he's served his life sentence.
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    Re: Jerry Sandusky guilty in 45 of the 48 total counts against him

    Watching in on MSNBC now - can't help but think that Penn State, Joe Paterno, Sandusky's wife and other coaches could've and should've helped to stop this sooner

    It's outrageous this went on for so long and that he was allowed to ruin so many lives

    while the verdict is just, there is no closure for the victims

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    a shame he couldn't be executed

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    Re: Jerry Sandusky guilty in 45 of the 48 total counts against him

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    I just heard on my radio that the Sandusky family is unhappy with the verdict.
    I wonder if the mayor of Sandusky, Ohio would consider the name change option?

    But seriously, if I were one of "Coach" Sandusky's victims, I don't think I ever would be able to trust anyone without some heavy-duty counseling. How very sad.
    I was someone else's victim. I've had heavy-duty counseling, and it is still difficult to trust anyone much taller or larger than I am when they're behind me. And I have trouble trusting anyone near my age or older.

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    Re: Jerry Sandusky guilty in 45 of the 48 total counts against him

    The tragedy was that there didn't have to be so many victims. I cannot imagine seeing somebody do the things Sandusky was seen doing to kids and not stepping in immediately to stop him. They are just as responsible for people being victimized as Sandusky. Still an all, child molestors don't do well in prison.

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    "Brutal, unimaginable, horrific, devastating, crippling, cruel...." all words I have heard describing Sandusky's sexual abuse of young boys.

    There must be something wrong with me, but though I surely agree he did the wrong thing and must be punished, lots of other stuff that happens everyday in the US is ignored. Sandusky could have done much worse in my opinon. He didn't beat them; he didn't cut off their hands; he didn't drug them. It think his punishment (likely life in prison) is grossly unmerited.

    For comparison, take that conservative Texas family court judge that beat his Cerebral Palsy afflicted daughter, who had left her computer webcam on:



    But...the Judge did not face criminal charges (other than losing his family court position).

    To me, Judge Adam's beating was far more egregious than ALL the sexual abuses of Sandusky's taken together.

    And then there's all those Christian pastors in the news beating their children and advocating painful punishments for children showing homosexual proclivities. They are being allowed to continue their physical and mental abuses of children without prosecution. No punishment or convictions for them!

    America is such a hypocritical nation ... physical abuse and torture of children is permissible, while sexual abuse is treated as the end of the world!

    May it's me, but that is what I feel. I was "sexually abused" in summer camp by a camp counselor at age 13. Was I permanently harmed? No.....I was completely aroused and really enjoyed it!

    Maybe it's just me, but I feel that Sandusky has been screwed (and not in the good way).

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    Re: Jerry Sandusky guilty in 45 of the 48 total counts against him

    It is unfathomable to me that you were capable of posting this. It's in such a terribly bad taste... There is nothing - NOTHING - as damaging to a child's (or anybody's) psyche than sexual violation. It is the only crime that I would go vigilante for and would kill without jury and trial, or any remorse, if given the opportunity.

    To say that it is somehow "more ok" to rape a child than to beat them is just monstrous. Neither thing is "ok" but no crime compares to rape.

    And PS - just because you got it on with some old perv and loved it doesn't make you "abused", except in the strictly legal sense. Imagine being overpowered, fearing for your life and unable to do anything, and then imagine being unable to escape this thing entering you, unable to even tune it out. And then imagine remembering it for the rest of your life. The horror of it, the shame, the guilt. Then we can talk about abuse.

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    Re: Jerry Sandusky guilty in 45 of the 48 total counts against him

    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    The tragedy was that there didn't have to be so many victims. I cannot imagine seeing somebody do the things Sandusky was seen doing to kids and not stepping in immediately to stop him. They are just as responsible for people being victimized as Sandusky. Still an all, child molestors don't do well in prison.
    What's even more tragic is how long it was going on. One incident is one too many, but what we're talking about here is a span of over 15 years. Furthermore, prior to that... how many victims? One does not start molesting children at age 50. What happens if the events leading up to conviction were only the "tip of the iceberg?"

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    Chip, I'm sorry but that diatribe was completely out of line. Rape is far worse then just a plain assault. Your post is completely without taste. What happened to these kids was indeed rape and they were indeed traumatized by it. It was by someone they trusted. I think that Judge should have been charged with a crime, and it's terrible he wasn't charged... but letting Sandusky go just because one thinks rape isn't as serious as assault is an injustice itself. This isn't about your personal experience at summer camp, but rather the violation of trust.

    Rape is one of the worst crimes out there, and Sandusky did it to many kids over many years. Life in prison is grossly unmerited? Maybe you should ask his victims what they think about that, and the fact that they'll have to live with those traumatic memories for the rest of their lives.

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    Re: Jerry Sandusky guilty in 45 of the 48 total counts against him

    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    The tragedy was that there didn't have to be so many victims. I cannot imagine seeing somebody do the things Sandusky was seen doing to kids and not stepping in immediately to stop him. They are just as responsible for people being victimized as Sandusky. Still an all, child molestors don't do well in prison.
    If something similar happens in the future, will people be quicker to pick up on it and do something? Yes, perhaps if it happens between now and no more than a couple months after the Sandusky sentencing. By 2013, this will be almost forgotten (again) by those who could do something, just as a certain much more massive child abuse scandal in the late 00's didn't lead to a faster exposure and conclusion in the Sandusky (et. al. - other people could have stopped it much earlier) matter. (And, shall I mention that the bigger child abuse scandal included some very profound crimes in the state's biggest city, Philadelphia?)

    Child abusers (sexual or otherwise) seldom stop to think that, if they happen to be caught, they are very likely to end up in the place that is by far the most dangerous for them to be.
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    I just feel so sorry for those kids who have to live with this for the rest of their lives. Sandusky is living proof that monsters do exist.

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    Chip your response was disgusting. The fact that you would even compare your molestation experience as something you enjoyed in reference to the abuse and rape Sandusky committed on those boys is absolutely revolting.
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    Re: Jerry Sandusky guilty in 45 of the 48 total counts against him

    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    Chip your response was disgusting. The fact that you would even compare your molestation experience as something you enjoyed in reference to the abuse and rape Sandusky committed on those boys is absolutely revolting.
    I second that motion, except I'll replace "disgusting" with "loathsome".

    There is no comparison between what happens between two teens, even if one is a camp counselor, and between pre-teens and a full adult. The results in one isolated instance of one cannot be used to justify a string of victimizations in the other.

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    Obviously, many (most) do not agree with my post above. Still, I would take a rape over a beating, particularly one which results in the loss of a limb, teeth, eye, etc. I am very suspicious about those middle-aged guys sobbing uncontrollably with their lawyers on TV, while the lawyer sympathetically pats them on the back, "comforting" them over a rape that occurred 20 years previously. The $$ signs are everywhere.

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    Re: Jerry Sandusky guilty in 45 of the 48 total counts against him

    ^ Chip - sorry for your experience

    But "I'd take a rape over a beating" is a scream for help

    Get some

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip12414 View Post

    May it's me, but that is what I feel. I was "sexually abused" in summer camp by a camp counselor at age 13. Was I permanently harmed? No.....I was completely aroused and really enjoyed it!
    That is not a surprising reaction from a victim. But many if not most victims will be psychological scared and will associate abuse with love/sex as an adult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip12414 View Post
    Obviously, many (most) do not agree with my post above. Still, I would take a rape over a beating, particularly one which results in the loss of a limb, teeth, eye, etc. I am very suspicious about those middle-aged guys sobbing uncontrollably with their lawyers on TV, while the lawyer sympathetically pats them on the back, "comforting" them over a rape that occurred 20 years previously. The $$ signs are everywhere.
    You don't think someone needs comforting over being raped twenty years before?

    Shallow, shallow, shallow! Ever hear of post traumatic stress disorder? Something like rape can easily set it off, and every time a flashback hits, the whole thing starts over again. Then there's the mind's little trick of just blocking such a traumatic event -- nice trick, except that the memory is still warping the way things work in the subconscious, and except that quite often the memory will come back.

    And there is no amount of dollars that will alleviate the pain.

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    Re: Jerry Sandusky guilty in 45 of the 48 total counts against him

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip12414 View Post
    Obviously, many (most) do not agree with my post above. Still, I would take a rape over a beating, particularly one which results in the loss of a limb, teeth, eye, etc. I am very suspicious about those middle-aged guys sobbing uncontrollably with their lawyers on TV, while the lawyer sympathetically pats them on the back, "comforting" them over a rape that occurred 20 years previously. The $$ signs are everywhere.
    I was hoping you'd realize the foot you put in your mouth and would bow out gracefully in this thread. Doubling-down isn't going to help you here. I'm not sure why you're targeting blame on some "middle-aged" guys when this is about a child rapist who is being put away for life. Whether you would personally take a "rape" over a "beating" is irrelevant to the discussion and disturbing unto itself. Rape is a form of physical violence that can be equally painful and harmful physically.
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    Re: Jerry Sandusky guilty in 45 of the 48 total counts against him

    justice has been served. i hope that man gets what's coming to him when he's in prison. what disturbs me is how pretty much the whole penn state university and even the police agencies in the town were covering it up just so this man could win championships as a coach. so a football has more value than a human life? they also should be held accountable too. no way should that be happening PERIOD. it just scares me how many possible victims are outthere or if any other places have a pedophile doing his dirt and getting away with it while other people know and aren't doing squat about it.
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    Re: Jerry Sandusky guilty in 45 of the 48 total counts against him

    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    Whether you would personally take a "rape" over a "beating" is irrelevant to the discussion and disturbing unto itself. Rape is a form of physical violence that can be equally painful and harmful physically.
    Not always true...I consider there to be TWO KINDS or rape. One that is sometimes called statutory rape, and the other one that I call "RAPE rape."

    Statutory rape is sexual conduct between consenting parties, without violence or coercion. That doesn't mean that it can't be traumatic, because it CAN be traumatic as well - the younger can be misled and tricked into it, for example. But no matter how old any of us are, we can remember tales of kids fooling around with each other FOR YEARS in school...and thoroughly enjoying it. The same thing can legally be considered rape (in some jurisdictions) if there is as little as a day or two in age difference.

    "RAPE rape" is of course the violent or coerced stuff...
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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    Statutory rape is sexual conduct between consenting parties,
    Minors do not possess the legal capacity to consent to sex.

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    The only difference between "statutory rape" and "rape rape" is that the first COULD be consensual because it's a legal issue. It could include situations like a 17 year old and a 20 year old engaging in perfectly consensual yet technically illegal sex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip12414 View Post
    "Brutal, unimaginable, horrific, devastating, crippling, cruel...." all words I have heard describing Sandusky's sexual abuse of young boys.

    There must be something wrong with me, but though I surely agree he did the wrong thing and must be punished, lots of other stuff that happens everyday in the US is ignored. Sandusky could have done much worse in my opinon. He didn't beat them; he didn't cut off their hands; he didn't drug them. It think his punishment (likely life in prison) is grossly unmerited.

    For comparison, take that conservative Texas family court judge that beat his Cerebral Palsy afflicted daughter, who had left her computer webcam on:



    But...the Judge did not face criminal charges (other than losing his family court position).

    To me, Judge Adam's beating was far more egregious than ALL the sexual abuses of Sandusky's taken together.

    And then there's all those Christian pastors in the news beating their children and advocating painful punishments for children showing homosexual proclivities. They are being allowed to continue their physical and mental abuses of children without prosecution. No punishment or convictions for them!

    America is such a hypocritical nation ... physical abuse and torture of children is permissible, while sexual abuse is treated as the end of the world!

    May it's me, but that is what I feel. I was "sexually abused" in summer camp by a camp counselor at age 13. Was I permanently harmed? No.....I was completely aroused and really enjoyed it!

    Maybe it's just me, but I feel that Sandusky has been screwed (and not in the good way).
    Wow, are these two parents go to jail for this? They should.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip12414 View Post
    Obviously, many (most) do not agree with my post above. Still, I would take a rape over a beating, particularly one which results in the loss of a limb, teeth, eye, etc. I am very suspicious about those middle-aged guys sobbing uncontrollably with their lawyers on TV, while the lawyer sympathetically pats them on the back, "comforting" them over a rape that occurred 20 years previously. The $$ signs are everywhere.
    That's because it's a diatribe that does not have any proof to it. You're comparing something that happened to you at a young age to a rape, many of which were in fact rapes. I don't know why people are getting hung up on "consensual" statutory rape. These cases between Sandusky were not consensual. And I'm sure the kids who were raped did not enjoy their experience. I'd rather take a beating because sexual abuse is far worse. The $$ signs are everywhere? Yeah? Care to prove it? Some of the proven beyond a reasonable doubt rapes occurred rather recently with some of the victims still young.

    And people who were raped when they were younger, even if it was decades before, carry traumas and wounds all their life... something money can never fix.

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    Re: Jerry Sandusky guilty in 45 of the 48 total counts against him

    I should have differentiated between consensual and non-consensual. Not that either should be tolerated. But that Texas family court judge (who is not only NOT being punished, but is likely to keep his judgeship, until the next election anyway), in my opinion performed an act much worse than consensual sex with a minor.

    So too, with the following (very recent, and very common) non-sexual abuses perpetrated on minors that will involve punishments far less severe than those for even consensual sexual encounters with minors:

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    You JUBBERS who cannot tolerate reading posts you do not agree with must have lots more fortitude than I, because to me the terror and suffering in the above cases is FAR worse and FAR more permanent than a consensual sex act with a minor. And should be dealt with at least as severely.

    And I absolutely do NOT condone sex with minors in any circumstance. I just feel that the punishments for underage sex are unjustifiably worse than penalties faced by people who torture and starve children.
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    You JUBBERS who cannot tolerate reading posts you do not agree with must have lots more fortitude than I, because to me the terror and suffering in the above cases is FAR worse and FAR more permanent than a consensual sex act with a minor. And should be dealt with at least as severely.

    And I absolutely do NOT condone sex with minors in any circumstance. I just feel that the punishments for underage sex are unjustifiably worse than penalties faced by people who torture and starve children.
    I understand that some cases are not investigated properly and justice isn't served. I deplore that. But the case with Sandusky is where justice was served. There is no question he deserves to be in jail the rest of his life for all the brutal rapes he committed. Sandusky was convicted of 45 criminal counts. Many more then any of those cases you mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    Minors do not possess the legal capacity to consent to sex.
    LEGAL is the key word. Certainly two people (one of who is a minor) can both fully BE AGREEABLE (one meaning of CONSENT) to having sex, but not being able to LEGALLY consent turns it into "statutory" rape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip12414 View Post
    And I absolutely do NOT condone sex with minors in any circumstance. I just feel that the punishments for underage sex are unjustifiably worse than penalties faced by people who torture and starve children.
    I'll turn your quote around, and make it even more truthful: "I just feel that punishments for people who torture and starve children are unjustifiably LENIENT, when compared to the severe (and usually justified - always so when there isn't full consent) punishments for underage sex."

    I still think something's terribly wrong when I feel it is riskier to use a public bathroom, than it is to jump out of a perfectly functional airplane in full flight with only a bundle of fabric and cords protecting you from certain death. All it takes is for a malicious minor to come in and claim that "he touched me wrong" and your life is OVER.
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    And people who were raped when they were younger, even if it was decades before, carry traumas and wounds all their life... something money can never fix.
    If someone gave me a million dollars, it wouldn't alleviate the flashbacks. If they gave me a billion, it wouldn't help with the agonizing aftermath of those flashbacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    I still think something's terribly wrong when I feel it is riskier to use a public bathroom, than it is to jump out of a perfectly functional airplane in full flight with only a bundle of fabric and cords protecting you from certain death. All it takes is for a malicious minor to come in and claim that "he touched me wrong" and your life is OVER.
    I meant to add another thought, and I forgot. I can see this being used as a SCAM. You go into a public, but only occasionally used, bathroom. Minor is by himself or herself by a toilet or urinal. Both you and the minor do your "duty" in there and that's it, but the minor leaves and tells his parents (who happen to be waiting just around the corner, outside the bathroom) that YOU TOUCHED HIM [HER] INAPPROPRIATELY. An argument ensues, and the parents say that they're going to press charges...BUT, if you're agreeable to paying them some hush money, they won't do anything. They want $10,000 from you which of course you don't have "on you," they use their cell phone to call the police, you are arrested. There are people who might indeed give in and offer to pay the blood-money if they promise to drop all charges, as we tend to value our freedoms greatly.

    Actually it's possible the minor doesn't do his/her "duty" at all - the minor is just there to entrap somebody.

    Has this been done? I can imagine this scenario easily, and the legal system as it exists in the United States can very easily support this type of scam.

    Of course, if this has been done, it was one of two things:
    1. The blood money was paid, it was total hush-hush, and nobody else ever heard about it.
    2. The "predator" was convicted (which **ALMOST ALWAYS** happens once an accusation proceeds through the legal system), and we all think it actually happened. This is the one crime where it seems that very little evidence is necessary, because juries always believe the worst on this particular crime and they act accordingly.

    The most horrific thing about all this, well there are TWO horrific things: (1) Most abuse or rape never surfaces at all, and (2) I think there are a LOT of innocent people sitting in prison, who never did anything, but who got caught in these kinds of traps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    I meant to add another thought, and I forgot. I can see this being used as a SCAM. You go into a public, but only occasionally used, bathroom. Minor is by himself or herself by a toilet or urinal. Both you and the minor do your "duty" in there and that's it, but the minor leaves and tells his parents (who happen to be waiting just around the corner, outside the bathroom) that YOU TOUCHED HIM [HER] INAPPROPRIATELY. An argument ensues, and the parents say that they're going to press charges...BUT, if you're agreeable to paying them some hush money, they won't do anything. They want $10,000 from you which of course you don't have "on you," they use their cell phone to call the police, you are arrested. There are people who might indeed give in and offer to pay the blood-money if they promise to drop all charges, as we tend to value our freedoms greatly.

    Actually it's possible the minor doesn't do his/her "duty" at all - the minor is just there to entrap somebody.

    Has this been done? I can imagine this scenario easily, and the legal system as it exists in the United States can very easily support this type of scam.

    Of course, if this has been done, it was one of two things:
    1. The blood money was paid, it was total hush-hush, and nobody else ever heard about it.
    2. The "predator" was convicted (which **ALMOST ALWAYS** happens once an accusation proceeds through the legal system), and we all think it actually happened. This is the one crime where it seems that very little evidence is necessary, because juries always believe the worst on this particular crime and they act accordingly.

    The most horrific thing about all this, well there are TWO horrific things: (1) Most abuse or rape never surfaces at all, and (2) I think there are a LOT of innocent people sitting in prison, who never did anything, but who got caught in these kinds of traps.
    It's like the Salem Witch Trials: kids learned that the mere accusation has potency, and gives them power over adults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    ... kids learned that the mere accusation has potency, and gives them power over adults.
    And the other side of that coin~ When I was a kid, we weren’t allowed to go into a public bathroom without being accompanied by a parent or other adult. We were never told why. It was just one of the rules.

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    Due to the whole scandal and the facts contained in the Freeh report, the statue of Joe Paterno has been removed.

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    Sad, but probably for the best.

    It says they're going to store it. Maybe in the future they can have a museum of university greats, where it can stand with a video telling about the scandal and why the stature isn't in its original place.

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    There are other victims in this. They are talking about cancelling the football program. It wasn't the students fault.
    I heard that maybe they will be able to transfer to another school and finish their education.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip12414 View Post
    I should have differentiated between consensual and non-consensual. Not that either should be tolerated. But that Texas family court judge (who is not only NOT being punished, but is likely to keep his judgeship, until the next election anyway), in my opinion performed an act much worse than consensual sex with a minor.

    So too, with the following (very recent, and very common) non-sexual abuses perpetrated on minors that will involve punishments far less severe than those for even consensual sexual encounters with minors:

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    You JUBBERS who cannot tolerate reading posts you do not agree with must have lots more fortitude than I, because to me the terror and suffering in the above cases is FAR worse and FAR more permanent than a consensual sex act with a minor. And should be dealt with at least as severely.

    And I absolutely do NOT condone sex with minors in any circumstance. I just feel that the punishments for underage sex are unjustifiably worse than penalties faced by people who torture and starve children.
    Except the problem with your participation in this thread that is disgusting everyone, is the fact that you are throwing out all of these other red herrings that have nothing to do with Sandusky and the molestation and rape he committed against multiple children. Yes, the examples you listed are terrible and deserving of their own topic and focus. However, to malign Sandusky's conviction as "too severe" because you think physical abuse is worse than sexual abuse is irrelevant, inaccurate, and creepy.
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    Lots of info here - not sure how close many are following this event - here's the latest real info:

    The statue of Joe Pa came down this AM'
    The library will keep his name - he donated $3M - really bad move IMO
    Tomorrow AM the NCAA will release their ruling about the Football program - it's been leaked that:

    there will be no death penalty - ie. there will be football in september in Happy Valley
    they will lose scholarships and ability to be in bowl games

    there is some debate as to whether the NCAA is within their standing to put these restrictions on them - sort of a moral thing

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    My sister listens to a sports radio show up here in MA, & the 2 guys opine on most everthing (they're even pro marriage equality!)
    They were playing back some interviews from PA about the fines that were levied by the NCAA. The 2 guys were freaked at some of the responses. One clown actually compared the fines to 9/11!!!! "My heart felt the same when I heard these fines as it did when I saw the planes fly into the WTC."

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    The NCAA usually doesn't act this quickly. They didn't do their own investigation.

    My gut tells me that the NCAA knows more than we'll ever know about all this.

    Penn State so far has gotten off easy.

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    No pity at all for Penn State. The sanctions were clearly done as a message to other schools..and I have no problem with that.

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    No sympathy for Penn State here. They deserved each and every single sanction for a good ol' boys club that looked the other way towards child rape. The students can whine all they want, but perhaps they should be considering transferring from such a sham of a university in its vice of greed and pride within its leadership.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The NCAA usually doesn't act this quickly. They didn't do their own investigation.

    My gut tells me that the NCAA knows more than we'll ever know about all this.

    Penn State so far has gotten off easy.
    I'm guessing you're correct, there's more than it seems. We only THINK that we know a lot about this scandal. Something tells me we'll still be hearing stuff about this next year, though it may be put on the back burner for a while as the pre-Election stuff goes as bonkers and crazy as promised (from all sides).
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    On the eve of this creep's sentencing... he made a statement. I can't even believe WTF I am reading...

    http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktl...,7469007.story

    Here is part of what he wrote:

    A young man who is dramatic and a veteran accuser and always sought attention started everything. He was joined by a well-orchestrated effort of the media, investigators, the system, Penn State, psychologists, civil attorneys and other accusers. They won. I've wondered what they really won. Attention, financial gain, prestige will all be temporary.
    He denies everything still... not one shred of regret. He blames one of the victims for going on a vendetta and trying to get attention.

    I feel like I'm going to puke. I hope he spends the rest of his life in jail.

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    ^ Dirty pedophile can lie all he wants. He's going to rot in his cell 'till he dies.
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