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    Why Conservatives Believe in Anti-Gay Pseudo-Science

    Well, here it is. This is the new science that Conservatives believe. No more same sex marriages, no more civil unions. The man and woman need to stay married to protect children. Blah, blah, blah.

    Why Conservatives Believe in Anti-Gay Pseudo-Science | | AlterNet


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    Why Conservatives Believe in Anti-Gay Pseudo-Science
    The anti-gay-rights movement's claims about homosexuality are based on the worst kind of junk "science."
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    On May 8, North Carolinians will vote on a constitutional amendment that defines a marriage between a man and a woman as the “only domestic legal union” the state will recognize -- thereby barring LGBT marriage equality. The amendment would also ban civil unions, and end domestic partner benefits, like prescription drug and health care coverage, for the partners and children of public employees. At its deepest level, this issue is about fairness for everyone under the law. But less mentioned is that it is also about science, and what’s factually true.

    Many voters who go to the polls to support Amendment One will do so believing outright falsehoods about same-sex marriages and civil unions. In particular, they hold the belief that such partnerships are damaging to the health and well-being of the children raised in them. That is, after all, one of the chief justifications for the amendment.
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    Here is the web site for the haters backing this vote:

    Vote For Marriage NC | VoteForMarriageNC.com

    One of their biggest financial backers is Phil Drake.

    Phil Drake is Founder and Chairman of Drake Enterprises, a group of 18 businesses based in Western North Carolina

    he claims abortion has created the federal deficit. ( ! )
    Daily Kos: $250,000 to put bigotry on the ballot, but not a damn nickel for hungry kids

    He's a Tea Bagger republican. The link has a video of him speaking at a rally funded by smarmy republican Dick Armey.

    Typical.

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    Raising children by two practicing gay men is still relatively new, and fewer still have reached adulthood. It is still in the experimental stage, and not until thousands of children have been experimented upon can more valid conclusions be reached. Valid science does no spring from small numbers. In the meantime the studies of single-parent children are not encouraging.
    Is it fair to tell small children that they must grow up without a mother just because two gay men demand equal "rights"? Who decides which children have to make that sacrifice? How many of us would have wanted to grow up without our mothers? I can think of few things worse than going to school where the other kids know that I am living with two active, practicing, gay men.
    Few gay men are pedophiles, but some are, and they will find adoption of boys particularly attractive, just as they are attracted to other occasions to be around boys. It will take very few publicized instances to bring suspicion on all the rest.

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    I want Benvolio banned from this forum. He is clearly not a homosexual male, and the repugnancy that he spews here on an hourly basis is poisoning to both discussions and the general environment of the forum.

    I would urge people not to respond to his last message. It is so clearly a Republican baiting that I can't see how a gay man would ever write it.
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    I have just one thing to tell Benvolio.
    I joined the Navy in 1961 and while in San Diego I happened to meet a couple (men) who were raising a boy and a girl. Both teenagers. So this idea that you have that it is a new thing is completely asinine.
    You need to listen to what Rolyo85 has said and keep your joining on ANY thread you want to spew your repugnance elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I would urge people not to respond to his last message. It is so clearly a Republican baiting that I can't see how a gay man would ever write it.
    I was going to post something similar but you managed to beat me and to do it in a far more even and measured tone that I ever could. I am not replying to anything he says in future.

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    "Practicing" gay men?

    Who the fuck are you Benvolio???

    Nobody who supports the gay community writes like that. Where does your disdain for queers come from anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    Where does your disdain for queers come from anyway?
    The fact that they despise him, maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Raising children by two practicing gay men
    That says all we need to know about you Benvolio.

    You clearly aren't gay and you are one of those weirdos who thinks being gay is a "lifestyle choice".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Raising children by two practicing gay men...


    Practicing? Practicing? It boggles the mind at how little practice being homosexual requires.
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    Then they should be forbidden to divorce, and if one partner is killed or does, they should have thirty days to get a new one. And since they believe in this government interference in peoples' lives, then if they fail to find one within that thirty days, the government will supply one.


    Were I a billionaire and this passes, I'd put up ten million dollars for people to leave that state, and ask other billionaires to match it.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Oh Benny...That post contained so much derp and self-loathing that it gained self-awareness and registered to join GOProud.

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    It should be obvious to any regular here that anyone who ONLY visits CE&P that there is a very high chance they are trolls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Raising children by two practicing gay men is still relatively new, and fewer still have reached adulthood. It is still in the experimental stage, and not until thousands of children have been experimented upon can more valid conclusions be reached. Valid science does no spring from small numbers. In the meantime the studies of single-parent children are not encouraging.
    Is it fair to tell small children that they must grow up without a mother just because two gay men demand equal "rights"? Who decides which children have to make that sacrifice? How many of us would have wanted to grow up without our mothers? I can think of few things worse than going to school where the other kids know that I am living with two active, practicing, gay men.
    Few gay men are pedophiles, but some are, and they will find adoption of boys particularly attractive, just as they are attracted to other occasions to be around boys. It will take very few publicized instances to bring suspicion on all the rest.
    Absolutely repulsive. You are not one of us. You are a troll abusing the privileges of this forum to antagonize, demoralize, and propagate a viewpoint we spend every day fighting.

    You do not belong in this community. I knew from Day 1 you started posting here that you were going to be a certified troll. Your use of language proves you are a "practicing" homophobe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    Absolutely repulsive. You are not one of us. You are a troll abusing the privileges of this forum to antagonize, demoralize, and propagate a viewpoint we spend every day fighting.

    You do not belong in this community. I knew from Day 1 you started posting here that you were going to be a certified troll. Your use of language proves you are a "practicing" homophobe.
    I have to agree with you on this. What exactly is a "practicing" gay man? I'm kinda thinking I've got that down pat at this point. Ideally a child should have a mom and dad. But where not talking about ripping a child from a mothers bosom so they can grow up with two same sex parents. Where talking about a child who has been put up for adoption for whatever reason. Now the objective needs to be to place the child in an environment where they'll be loved and cared for. I don't see any reason why a gay couple aren't capable of that. It needs to be investigated and a determination made by the appropriate authorities. We don't simply assume every straight couple are model parents, they get investigated.

    I think Benvolio's allusion to pedophilia as a gay trait was particulary troubling. Most pedophiles are actually straight based on who actually winds up going to prison for these offenses. Shall we similarly disallow straight people from adopting female children out of fear that the father will molest them?

    Benvolio, I'm going to give you the opportunity to unfuck yourself and explain some of what you've said. If you don't do so in what I consider a satisfctory manner, I will consider you nothing more than a troll at best. Your continued participation in these forums could well be at risk. We'll be waiting patiently.

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    I must say that I consider Benvolio's post to be a little alarming.

    I'm all for gay men being politically conservative, but the language & vocabulary used in Benvolio's post has similarities to what an anti-gay preacher or religious conservative might use. Even GOProud members like Chris Barron or Jimmy LaSalvia would never use the phrase "practicing homosexual" or "practicing gay man".

    I would like an explanation or clairification from Benvolio. Is Benvolio really a gay man? And does he think that gay men (like himself, if he is one) should be allowed the opportunity to adopt or raise children?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayQueer View Post
    I must say that I consider Benvolio's post to be a little alarming.
    I'm reminded of LBJ's famous quote about Walter Cronkite!

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    I must wonder why my post was deleted. I'm mystified. It was direct and to the point. I stated I was downright disgusted and want action. But fair enough...

    Gay men shouldn't be politically conservative in the sense of what JQ and Benvolio believe in. I'm fine with a politically conservative person, but when they are so supportive of the Republican Party in its current form it's disturbing to me. GOProud is a repulsive group too... they support the republican party regardless of their position on equality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    GOProud is a repulsive group too... they support the republican party regardless of their position on equality.
    Slightly off-topic, but you may want to check out the 7pm rebroadcast of Chris Matthews. He talks about just that while interviewing Mark Foley and James Karger about the Grennel exit. He's incredulous at how gays can be a part of this. Definitely worth seeing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JockBoy87 View Post
    "Practicing" gay men?

    Who the fuck are you Benvolio???

    Nobody who supports the gay community writes like that. Where does your disdain for queers come from anyway?
    Fuck! I didn't see that. I don't need anymore practice. I got it down pat!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuvFindsAndyHardy View Post
    I'm reminded of LBJ's famous quote about Walter Cronkite!
    What? What! What?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuvFindsAndyHardy View Post
    Slightly off-topic, but you may want to check out the 7pm rebroadcast of Chris Matthews. He talks about just that while interviewing Mark Foley and James Karger about the Grennel exit. He's incredulous at how gays can be a part of this. Definitely worth seeing.
    Thanks for this post. I love Chris and I kinda listened to his bcast earlier but apparently didn't hear it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    It should be obvious to any regular here that anyone who ONLY visits CE&P that there is a very high chance they are trolls.
    This is incorrect. He posts in at least Coming Out and Relationships (I don't wanna get banned again, so I will not comment on the immorality of the advice he gives other people there... oops, I guess I just did...), and possibly other places too. Nothing that would change my claim that he is a plant though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    What? What! What?
    When Cronkite became anti-Vietnam war after witnessing its horrors first-hand, LBJ famously (and presciently) is reported to have said, "If we've lost Cronkite, we've lost America."

    I was making a silly equivalency that, if your post is enough to upset JayQueer, you've REALLY gone beyond the pale and lost even the most ardent GOProuders in the joint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    I have to agree with you on this. What exactly is a "practicing" gay man? I'm kinda thinking I've got that down pat at this point. Ideally a child should have a mom and dad. But where not talking about ripping a child from a mothers bosom so they can grow up with two same sex parents. Where talking about a child who has been put up for adoption for whatever reason. Now the objective needs to be to place the child in an environment where they'll be loved and cared for. I don't see any reason why a gay couple aren't capable of that. It needs to be investigated and a determination made by the appropriate authorities. We don't simply assume every straight couple are model parents, they get investigated.

    I think Benvolio's allusion to pedophilia as a gay trait was particulary troubling. Most pedophiles are actually straight based on who actually winds up going to prison for these offenses. Shall we similarly disallow straight people from adopting female children out of fear that the father will molest them?

    Benvolio, I'm going to give you the opportunity to unfuck yourself and explain some of what you've said. If you don't do so in what I consider a satisfctory manner, I will consider you nothing more than a troll at best. Your continued participation in these forums could well be at risk. We'll be waiting patiently.
    You know how I hate to correct you, but don't you think that a good part of the straight population who are pedos would molest boys too?
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    NO! I just found out that my gay license has been revoked, I can no longer practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuvFindsAndyHardy View Post
    When Cronkite became anti-Vietnam war after witnessing its horrors first-hand, LBJ famously (and presciently) is reported to have said, "If we've lost Cronkite, we've lost America."

    I was making a silly equivalency that, if your post is enough to upset JayQueer, you've REALLY gone beyond the pale and lost even the most ardent GOProuders in the joint.
    Now I understand. As a Viet Vet that is one I've forgotten. Thanks!
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    Then they should be forbidden to divorce, and if one partner is killed or does, they should have thirty days to get a new one. And since they believe in this government interference in peoples' lives, then if they fail to find one within that thirty days, the government will supply one.

    I think banning divorce would be a good idea, but I don't think it goes far enough. Unless there were also some inclusion to mandate co-habitation of the parents, people could just go their separate ways, without divorcing; in effect, producing pretty much the same result as the divorce, just skipping all of the legal paperwork. I know a number of people who have gone that route.

    It also does nothing about children conceived out of wedlock, however that conception came about, whether it was an act of fornication, adultery, giving in to a momentary lust, drunken idiocy, or rape. The state could mandate marriage in such cases. It could force a fifteen year old girl to marry her sixteen year old boyfriend, for instance. Where one or both of the parties are already married, the situation seems a bit more dicey. Legalising plural marriage, I suppose, provides an answer. If two parents are good, why aren't three (or more) better? And women could be forced to marry the men who had raped them, putting us on a par with some areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan. Another possibility would be mandatory abortions, where the partners were unable or unwilling to marry.

    None of that would solve the problem of children being thrust into single parent households through death, however. Since the widowed party might not be in a position mentally, morally, or emotionally to remarry in a short time, the simpler solution to the problem would seem to be having the state step in and immediately remove all children as soon as possible after the single parent state is entered, for whatever reason. A cop who was shot in the line of duty, for instance, could die reassured that his children wouldn't be raised in a single parent household, because the state would immediately step in and remove his children from the home upon his death.

    There's still the thorny problem of de facto single parenthood to work through. As just one possible example, someone I went to school with had a massive stroke in his mid twenties. He and his wife had three children. While he somewhat recovered physically, he was left in a somewhat nebulous state mentally ... with an understanding and ability comparable to a three or four year old. In effect, his wife was left as a single parent to their three daughters. Here again, I think the state could solve everyone's problem by stepping in and taking the girls when it becomes evident there's going to be no improvement in the situation. It would probably be difficult to ban long term overseas military deployments, so I suppose the state would have to mandate that combat troops must be single and/or non-parents. The problem of members of Congress who live in Washington alone, while leaving their families back home seems to have an easier solution: take their kids, and require that any member of Congress be castrated.

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    I've got it:

    everybody marries everybody. The moment a kid turns sixteen, he or she is automatically married to all the adults in the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I've got it:

    everybody marries everybody. The moment a kid turns sixteen, he or she is automatically married to all the adults in the country.
    The nutbag Mormon polygamist sects would cream their jeans if this happened. Of course, they'd want the minimum age to be lowered to 6. By the time a child bride is 16, she should already have spawned several litters for her 70 year old husband.

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    On every question there are two sides. Gays tend to hear and see only one side without ever being exposed to the other point of view. Some of us instinctively see the other side. We march to the tune of a different drummer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    On every question there are two sides. Gays tend to hear and see only one side without ever being exposed to the other point of view. Some of us instinctively see the other side. We march to the tune of a different drummer.
    Following pseudo-science is "marching to the tune of a different drummer"?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    On every question there are two sides. Gays tend to hear and see only one side without ever being exposed to the other point of view. Some of us instinctively see the other side. We march to the tune of a different drummer.
    oh yes... what is the other point of view? The anti-gay views republicans hold? Where is the truth to that viewpoint? Where is the evidence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    On every question there are two sides. Gays tend to hear and see only one side without ever being exposed to the other point of view. Some of us instinctively see the other side. We march to the tune of a different drummer.
    There are frequently more than two sides to a question, but that's not what the issue is here. It's about some of the thinking we've seen from you. Comments about immigrants, not just illegal immigrants. Speaking about gay people as if we are incapable of seeing another side of an issue. Seriously?! And you got your moral superiority from where, sir?

    You need to stop digging the hole you're in. Or is that your plan? To go out of here in a blaze of glory, or what passes for it in your mind.

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    On every question there are two sides. Gays tend to hear and see only one side without ever being exposed to the other point of view. Some of us instinctively see the other side. We march to the tune of a different drummer.
    What is that suppose to mean? Why would you separate yourself from "those gays" unless you're trying to tell us you aren't one. Just who is "We march?"
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    two practicing gay men..?

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    It's time for the right-wing theocrats to turn the fucking page.

    And most of all, it's time for people to stop apologising for the right-wing theocratic ignorance of others.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Gays are exposed to ALL points of view, ALWAYS, if for no other reason than because people make us choke on it. The ONLY people who willfully exclude themselves from exposure to any other point of view are the far right Republicans, sticking to their cult figures, christian blogs etc. If anything, gays often go out of the way to find and expose "the other point of view".

    Benvolio, you were asked by a moderator to explain your behavior which CLEARLY indicates you are NOT in fact a gay man. Will you do that, or should we petition the mods and admins to remove you from the premises?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    Gays are exposed to ALL points of view, ALWAYS, if for no other reason than because people make us choke on it. The ONLY people who willfully exclude themselves from exposure to any other point of view are the far right Republicans, sticking to their cult figures, christian blogs etc. If anything, gays often go out of the way to find and expose "the other point of view".
    I'm still working on recovering from that "other point of view".

    It's one that needs to be thrown on the floor, stomped on hard, run through a shredder, and flushed into the sewer where it will be right at home. It's one that embraces abuse, is pleased with oppression, lives on lies, is buoyed up by bigotry -- and treats humans as trash.

    There are lots of us who are walking human wreckage because of that "point of view". It's time for the purveyors of persecution to take a turn being tromped on -- we're more than sick of it.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Raising children by two practicing gay men is still relatively new, and fewer still have reached adulthood. It is still in the experimental stage, and not until thousands of children have been experimented upon can more valid conclusions be reached. Valid science does no spring from small numbers. In the meantime the studies of single-parent children are not encouraging.
    Is it fair to tell small children that they must grow up without a mother just because two gay men demand equal "rights"? Who decides which children have to make that sacrifice? How many of us would have wanted to grow up without our mothers? I can think of few things worse than going to school where the other kids know that I am living with two active, practicing, gay men.
    Few gay men are pedophiles, but some are, and they will find adoption of boys particularly attractive, just as they are attracted to other occasions to be around boys. It will take very few publicized instances to bring suspicion on all the rest.
    Wow your homophobia astounds me. First of all gay parents have been raising children with their partners for eons with successful results. It has been proven by studies that gays raise children just as effectively and the children turn out just as well as straight parents. Further more gender of parents means nothing, a child does not need a mother or a father just a parent of either gender who will love and care for them, there is nothing in one gender that the other can not have in their characteristics. A hermaphrodite could raise a healthy and productive child with no issues so long as they gave them some TLC.

    Next so now just because people will discriminate against kids of hated minorities they should not reproduce together. Your arguments sound like the same I heard from people who were against interracial marriage back in the day IE that children of interacial unions will be discriminated against and bullied and so by this logic they should not have kids. This same foolish nonsense could be applied to political and religious minorities as well whhen it comes to kids. If I as a Goddess worshipping Pagan had kids you know the Christian kids would give them Hell. It is not the discriminated parties that need to change their behavior it is the discriminators and you should never cater to bigots.

    Next you do realize that the majority of pedophiles are heterosexual men. In fact studies show that statistically children would be safer around a gay neighbor then their own heterosexual fathers, brothers and cousins. Also straight men are more likely to be violent then gay men. You are nothing but a homophobe who is so twisted by his hatred of himself that he even uses such debunked arguments that gays are pedophiles.
    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    On every question there are two sides. Gays tend to hear and see only one side without ever being exposed to the other point of view. Some of us instinctively see the other side. We march to the tune of a different drummer.
    I remember Ayn Rand said this one quote. "There are two sides to every story. One side is good and the other is evil. The person who wishes for these two sides to compromise is evil. For when you compromise food and poison the end result is death.

    Benvolio you are on the evil side. The side of psuedo science and religious based foolishness.
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    Is Benvolio a gay man, or not?
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    ^ Obviously not.

    You can't have been born into homosexuality and be as clueless as is Benvolio about what that means.

    We have here a person with an agenda to foment hatred and intolerance. A person without the slightest understanding of science and without the least inclination to know the truth. Benvolio lives in an authoritarian world where "truth" is revealed by the leaders of his religion and his party, often in contradiction of known facts. And, when facts dispute his warped perception of reality, then facts must be discarded. Benvolio lives in a world where evidence, reason, and scholarship are enemies to the preferred deceptions. It is a dangerous place.

    There is something pathologic about Benvolio's rejection of so much of humanity. People from the wrong countries, from the wrong religions, from the wrong economic class, and the wrong sexuality all seem reprehensible to him. He devotes enormous energy to the rejection of his fellow men. He proposes means by which we might collectively assist him in isolating himself from mankind - by ending immigration, by preventing Muslims from practicing their religion within range of his senses, and by clearing the streets of gay couples and our adopted children, lest his eyes be offended by our horrible countenance.

    To Benvolio, I say it is not us who are the cause of your unhappiness. We foreigners, we Muslims, we Jews, we poor, we gay. Should you succeed in eliminating us from your world, you will find that you are no more prosperous, no more capable, no happier. Your misery comes from within.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    Gays tend to hear and see only one side without ever being exposed to the other point of view.
    So, you're hear to stir the pot and give us the anti-gay view?

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    I've been here for several years now and have never put anyone on my ignore list........[Benvolio] was the first. I think you all should do the same. Don't quote his posts, don't respond to him, don't participate in his threads. Just ignore him into oblivion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    There are frequently more than two sides to a question, but that's not what the issue is here. It's about some of the thinking we've seen from you. Comments about immigrants, not just illegal immigrants. Speaking about gay people as if we are incapable of seeing another side of an issue. Seriously?! And you got your moral superiority from where, sir?

    You need to stop digging the hole you're in. Or is that your plan? To go out of here in a blaze of glory, or what passes for it in your mind.
    If you look, you will see that I have not attacked immigrants. I have discussed the economic effect of massive immigration, legal and illegal, at a time of high unemployment and poverty. I do not see why the economic effect should be a taboo subject.
    I did not say gays are "incapable" of seeing the other side, that is your word. I said they "tend" not to. I hope you will notice that I have not made personal attacks, which are quite common here. I think I am discussing the issues and a discussion should allow room for both sides to be presented. If only one point of view is allowed, it would not seem to be a discussion.
    Notice that I said "few" gays are pedophiles, while you said "most" pedophiles are straight. There is no difference here, is there?

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    A credible and fruitful contribution to a conversation requires more than choosing your words artfully, benvolio. I invite you to take my cross-partisan challenge which I periodically issue on here, which is:Name one policy or legislative achievement that you support which was accomplished by political groups or parties that you ordinarily oppose. More particularly, name something done by the Democrats.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    ^ Obviously not.

    You can't have been born into homosexuality and be as clueless as is Benvolio about what that means.

    We have here a person with an agenda to foment hatred and intolerance. A person without the slightest understanding of science and without the least inclination to know the truth. Benvolio lives in an authoritarian world where "truth" is revealed by the leaders of his religion and his party, often in contradiction of known facts. And, when facts dispute his warped perception of reality, then facts must be discarded. Benvolio lives in a world where evidence, reason, and scholarship are enemies to the preferred deceptions. It is a dangerous place.

    There is something pathologic about Benvolio's rejection of so much of humanity. People from the wrong countries, from the wrong religions, from the wrong economic class, and the wrong sexuality all seem reprehensible to him. He devotes enormous energy to the rejection of his fellow men. He proposes means by which we might collectively assist him in isolating himself from mankind - by ending immigration, by preventing Muslims from practicing their religion within range of his senses, and by clearing the streets of gay couples and our adopted children, lest his eyes be offended by our horrible countenance.

    To Benvolio, I say it is not us who are the cause of your unhappiness. We foreigners, we Muslims, we Jews, we poor, we gay. Should you succeed in eliminating us from your world, you will find that you are no more prosperous, no more capable, no happier. Your misery comes from within.
    Encore, encore and encore.

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    There are gay men who remain incarcerated within their prison cell for their entire life time, unwilling to liberate themselves for fear that they may have to meet their real self, the very person whom they deny for fear of facing the truth of who they are.

    Forgiveness is understood to be the highest, most noble of human actions, a prerequisite for healing to take place.

    A stubborn refusal to forgive can both prolong, and intensify suffering for the person who has been wounded by the actions of another, especially of a loved one.

    The guilt syndrome often creates an impassable obstacle for those who refuse to be forgiven, despite the willingness of the wronged party to forgive, and forget in the hope that the relationship can be healed.

    That the guilty party should seek to make amends for their wrongful action, is part of the healing process and should be acknowledged as a necessary element by the innocent, and guilty parties to participate in the repair, and healing of a broken relationship.

    The person who behaved wrongfully needs to develop the courage which would permit them to face their actions, and take responsibility for them without becoming defensive.

    Courage grows when seeking to first understand, and then to take action to face what we most fear (i.e., inadequacy, rejection, abandonment, etc.) by keeping our focus on standing up for what we should love, and understanding that each, and every human person stands guilty of wronging another. No exceptions.

    Self forgiveness which acknowledges the fear of facing the truth, to be able to live in freedom from our fears can also prove to be a life time's struggle for those lacking the courage to discover their true self.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    There are gay men who remain incarcerated within their prison cell for their entire life time, unwilling to liberate themselves for fear that they may have to meet their real self, the very person whom they deny for fear of facing the truth of who they are.

    Forgiveness is understood to be the highest, most noble of human actions, a prerequisite for healing to take place.

    A stubborn refusal to forgive can both prolong, and intensify suffering for the person who has been wounded by the actions of another, especially of a loved one.

    The guilt syndrome often creates an impassable obstacle for those who refuse to be forgiven, despite the willingness of the wronged party to forgive, and forget in the hope that the relationship can be healed.

    That the guilty party should seek to make amends for their wrongful action, is part of the healing process and should be acknowledged as a necessary element by the innocent, and guilty parties to participate in the repair, and healing of a broken relationship.

    The person who behaved wrongfully needs to develop the courage which would permit them to face their actions, and take responsibility for them without becoming defensive.

    Courage grows when seeking to first understand, and then to take action to face what we most fear (i.e., inadequacy, rejection, abandonment, etc.) by keeping our focus on standing up for what we should love, and understanding that each, and every human person stands guilty of wronging another. No exceptions.

    Self forgiveness which acknowledges the fear of facing the truth, to be able to live in freedom from our fears can also prove to be a life time's struggle for those lacking the courage to discover their true self.
    Awesome post Kallipolis. Exactly how I feel and think about the subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    A credible and fruitful contribution to a conversation requires more than choosing your words artfully, benvolio. I invite you to take my cross-partisan challenge which I periodically issue on here, which is:Name one policy or legislative achievement that you support which was accomplished by political groups or parties that you ordinarily oppose. More particularly, name something done by the Democrats.
    You first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariatenebre View Post
    Wow your homophobia astounds me. First of all gay parents have been raising children with their partners for eons with successful results. It has been proven by studies that gays raise children just as effectively and the children turn out just as well as straight parents. Further more gender of parents means nothing, a child does not need a mother or a father just a parent of either gender who will love and care for them, there is nothing in one gender that the other can not have in their characteristics. A hermaphrodite could raise a healthy and productive child with no issues so long as they gave them some TLC.

    Next so now just because people will discriminate against kids of hated minorities they should not reproduce together. Your arguments sound like the same I heard from people who were against interracial marriage back in the day IE that children of interacial unions will be discriminated against and bullied and so by this logic they should not have kids. This same foolish nonsense could be applied to political and religious minorities as well whhen it comes to kids. If I as a Goddess worshipping Pagan had kids you know the Christian kids would give them Hell. It is not the discriminated parties that need to change their behavior it is the discriminators and you should never cater to bigots.

    Next you do realize that the majority of pedophiles are heterosexual men. In fact studies show that statistically children would be safer around a gay neighbor then their own heterosexual fathers, brothers and cousins. Also straight men are more likely to be violent then gay men. You are nothing but a homophobe who is so twisted by his hatred of himself that he even uses such debunked arguments that gays are pedophiles.


    I remember Ayn Rand said this one quote. "There are two sides to every story. One side is good and the other is evil. The person who wishes for these two sides to compromise is evil. For when you compromise food and poison the end result is death.

    Benvolio you are on the evil side. The side of psuedo science and religious based foolishness.
    And this by someone who is straight.
    You might want to remind him of the part in red. The President of the US is a product of an interracial marriage.
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