It depends. When I first meet someone and they tell me they're gay, I'll accept that on face value. If however, I then find out afterwards that they like having sex with women every once in a while, then I no longer respect their self-proclaimed label and I will tell them so and if anyone were to ask me about that person I would tell them what I know and why. I will not ignore observational fact(s) because we don't live in country where gay men enjoy the same privileges and rights as their heterosexual counterparts.Kyanimal said-- Should we not embrace others for who/what they say they are, self-identify as, rather than trying to mold them into Our expectations of them?
This really is disturbing. Reducing a female to her sexual organ is seen as misogynistic by many.ass eater said-- IF A WOMAN'S PUSSY WAS DETACHABLE, SHE COULD TAKE IT OFF AND LET YOU KEEP IT FOR A FEW DAYS. YOU WOULD'NT NEED THE REST OF HER! RIGHT.
I'm a strong advocate for labels and respect when they're used correctly. You've articulated well on some very clear reasons why some men who self-identify as gay but enjoy sex with women too will avoid using the bisexual label or seeing themselves as bisexual.mikey3000 said-- I don't place too much value on labels, but I've recently learned that there is so much more to being a gay guy than just sucking cock. There is a whole socio-political-brotherhood going on there, liking cock is just one part. "Fighting for the cause" is another, so is the language, wardrobe, mind set and social circuit. Now I don't know what begat what, but I see as belonging to a fraternity of sorts, someplace to fit in when you don't quite fit in anywhere else.
I think people are scared to admit their bi-ness because we are still the least understood group, kinda like the final frontier. Maybe gay men are more so because they and their families struggled so hard to accept their homosexuality that they don't want to seem to be flip-flopping? That's how one gay friend explained it to me, but who knows. All I know is if it's between consenting adults, and no one gets hurt, then do as you wish.
I would recommend a word of caution though. You enjoy life in a country where gays, lesbians, and bisexuals are full citizens. Here in the U.S. we're still fighting for that existence in total. In a perfect world it wouldn't matter who is doing who or what in relation to sexuality--but politically, socially, and legally here in the U.S. it does.
H4L-- first off you can change your label back to gay and shouldn't give a hoot what I or others think. As for your desire for pussy: you've made it clear you want more. You even stated that you wouldn't mind going further (i.e. to fuck a woman--you said in your most recent encounter that you would like to have stuck your dick into her wet warm pussy). You also stated earlier in this thread that the encounter you had wasn't just sex. You've also made it clear you are attracted to women's breasts (albeit probably not as much as their pussies). You've even said that you get an erection when you think about pussy. On one of your other threads you state that in relation to the Kinsey scale, you're more a 5 going on a 4. And based on the history about yourself you've shared on JUB, bisexual desire isn't new to you.Hot4Latinos said-- I only know one other gay guy who is like me. Like me, he is really only interested in what MissAnne calls "pussy worship," (see her post). So the label "bi" is not a correct fit because other than that we live our lives as gay men.
And licking pussy once does not change that and therefore does not change I am.
The only complications are the ones you all are imposing by trying label me and force me to accept your label.
I personally, based on all the evidence you've provided, consider you to be bisexual with a primary interest in men. I think it's great for you and it's unfortunate that it doesn't feel right for you to embrace that label (yet?).
All this being said H4L, I have another question if you'll kindly indulge me: As you identify as being "totally out", what would happen if you were to reveal to all your gay friends and family that you enjoy eating a woman's pussy? (obviously you'd probably not use that literal of a description to everyone in your life or maybe you would, I don't know of course)
Question: When you have intercourse with men do you bottom only?cocksucker4use said-- There is nothing wrong with pussy. Pussy is great. It's women that are hard to deal with. When I was 18 I was fuckin a woman and then took up with one on my profs, who was fuckin me.....needless to say, the guy won, but it took awhile. When he called wonderin where I was, I knew he loved me. When she called, she was an interfering bitch....but still, pussy is good. Mebbe a flesh jack?
Colo: Your post was wonderful and I will respond to some other things later (It's late and I've been working on my novel or whatever it is & I'm very tired).
But to answer your questionI think most would be shocked because I have a reputation for being militantly gay (politically). Some would be repulsed. Many (especially many of the gay friends who have sustained me all these years) would feel betrayed and hurt.All this being said H4L, I have another question if you'll kindly indulge me: As you identify as being "totally out", what would happen if you were to reveal to all your gay friends and family that you enjoy eating a woman's pussy? (obviously you'd probably not use that literal of a description to everyone in your life or maybe you would, I don't know of course)
Also, there is the presumption that if you have a choice you would naturally choose the hetero right and view gay as kinky. Such was not the case for me. Gay feels natural and my bi/hetero or whatever you call it tendencies is the thing that feels kinky or forbidden tome (I know that sounds odd).
I have more to say but it will have to wait...
And keep in mind guys: There's a big difference between CURIOSITY and DESIRE.
I DESIRE men
I'm CURIOS about women/pussy
Okay handsome (I'm just assuming), I refuse to argue with you on this point because others rightfully will (noting of course that curiosity is not an act/action in and of itself, and desire often results in an act/action). You're referring to intensity--fair enough.Hot4Latinos said-- I DESIRE men
I'm CURIOS about women/pussy
When you report here on JUB that you've once again fallen in-love with a man (hopefully Latino), and the women/pussy thing has run its course, then I may accept your assertion.
Not that my view matters anyway ;-)
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i now see why youre scared about admitting youre bi because people that are your friends family etc would be hurt. but you simply can not deny you are bisexual now. a pussy is part of a woman. if you have a pussy fetish then you love a part of a woman. doesn't matter if you don't like the rest that much. you have a giant fetish for a part of what only women have.
doesnt mean u have to tell ur family or friends. keep it to urself if u think u need to. who cares.
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@colo92: i was just trying to sum up h4latinos strong apetite for female genitals. In his case it is all about her genitals, not about her eyes, mouth, leggs, ass, hair, or beauty. He just wants the pussy. Maybe thats why some guys use pocket pussies or pussy fleshlights. This is the same reason why she-male porn is so popular among straight men. They get the dick without the male image attached to it.
I do agree that if h4l shared this with his friends and family it might not go so well. Since everybody knows him as an 'OUT AND PROUD OPENLY GAY MAN'. they will question his long term relationship he was in with his now ex-husband. to make it worst he states he's a strong advocate for everything gay. so that'll be a double betrayal to his fellow gay comrads. this reminds me of a episode of law&order with kathy griffen portraying a strong lesbian leader and activist for gay equality. then she is outed for having a man on the side. her lesbian comrads were furious. so h4latino can't be the only gay guy who eats putty. some people question me because i can watch str8 and bi porn without vomitting. and can bust a nut. with gay porn i can cum just by watching guys kiss, while being fully clothed.
Do your gay friends who know you as a "militant" gay also know you have this belief about homosexuality? How do you think they would respond to this assertion?
You remind me of a guy I know who is in a similar situation but in reverse. He has secretly lusted after dick for most of his life and is absolutely dying to act out on it. Difference is he is married, and his wife is not supportive of him even looking at other guys, much less acting out on his desire. But in both cases, both of you have established a well-known identity to those close to you yet now want to act out on a "secret" part of yourselves that you've hidden away for a long time.
@gaydude65: yea watching is not the same as participating. I used to get off on fisting scenes but i sure don't want no body fisting me.
To be honest, this part of my own nature disturbs me too. I don't have an explanation for it.This really is disturbing. Reducing a female to her sexual organ is seen as misogynistic by many.
Yes, hopefully soon.When you report here on JUB that you've once again fallen in-love with a man (hopefully Latino)
I care.doesnt mean u have to tell ur family or friends. keep it to urself if u think u need to. who cares.
I saw that episode too & knew exactly how the character felt. The reaction when she was outted was all too real.this reminds me of a episode of law&order with kathy griffen portraying a strong lesbian leader and activist for gay equality. then she is outed for having a man on the side. her lesbian comrads were furious.
I never said that. Freud said that.you said, evertbody is bi "
My friends know how I feel about the penchant for promiscuity, particularly in light of our communities political move toward assimilation. But that's another topic.Do your gay friends who know you as a "militant" gay also know you have this belief about homosexuality? How do you think they would respond to this assertion?
Dark hair, dark eyes, bubble butt.'d really be interested in hearing you describe your "desire" for parts of the male anatomy.
But desire for men, for me, is not about anatomy. Intelligence & a sense of humor are truly the things that turn me on the most
its snide little remarks by bitter sounding gay guys like you that make it hard.You desire and lust women... You have changed ur 'orientation' to bisexual ... so gues baby steps your are going, but soon you shall come out to your friends family etc. You'll be much happier and relaxed. It must be so hard to hide ur starightness
I love sucking dick and I love giving head especially uncut Latino cock, but the cock does nothing for me visually. Visually derived desire in a male for me is about dark hair and eyes. As far as...I dunno, I guess I'm ot sure what you're asking...what on a man turns me on as much as pussy: A nice round ass.What about the sexual anatomy of a man? Does dick turn you on as much as pussy does? Honestly, it sounds like your attraction to men is more intellectual than sexual.
Maybe this will help:
ABSOLUTELY.....I'd fucking worship Diego Sans assDo you have the same desire to chow down on a male bubble butt the way you do on a pussy?
eggsel-- You've become a broken record. You are offering nothing to the conversation. You give a bad name to gay men when you do this kind of thing. Please stop. It's beyond insulting.eggsel said-- You desire and lust women... You have changed ur 'orientation' to bisexual ... so gues baby steps your are going, but soon you shall come out to your friends family etc. You'll be much happier and relaxed. It must be so hard to hide ur starightness
Hot4Latinos-- it can't be said enough times how appreciative some of us are that you have been so willing to be open about yourself.
There are so many apects to this that can affect other things beyond the personal and it's clear you are so aware of that. It's good that JUB provides a safe place to explore for you and others.
I do have more of a prurient question now. You've posted a multitude (probably hundreds if not thousands) of images of the kinds of female with male images (showing cunnilingus or intercourse) that turn you on.
I'm very curious, would you show us a picture that most closely resembles you and a latino male in an intimate hot moment--could be passionate fucking with kissing, or just kissing, fondling, etc.?
I agree, h4l you are a pussy hound which is ok. But i suggest you don't tell any of your friends. They will never look at you the same way ever again. Some may feel your love for pussy means you are no longer one of them. Then again some of your friends could be closeted pussy eaters too, and are just waiting to see who's gonna admitt it first.
I agree, h4l you are a pussy hound which is ok. But i suggest you don't tell any of your friends. They will never look at you the same way ever again. Some may feel your love for pussy means you are no longer one of them. Then again some of your friends could be closeted pussy eaters too, but feel they have to keep up the gay facade.
A friend of mine knows i watch bi porn. He went on about how he could not watch a woman in porn. Two months later i caught him watching straight porn. And he is gayer than mario cantone. OH. AND SORRY FOR THE DOUBLE POSTS.
Maybe I'm just simple minded, but for the life of me I simply don't understand faking it. It takes way too much energy and stress to lead a double life like that. The whole point of coming out of the closet is so you can be HONEST and OPEN about who and what you are. If you're gay, you're gay. Doesn't mean you're repulsed by women; it just means you don't possess a significant attraction to them. If you're bi, you're bi. Doesn't mean you have equal attractions to both genders, but it does mean you possess a significant attraction to both. And if you're straight, you're straight. We all know what that means. Gays are everywhere, bisexuals are everywhere. It's not like you wouldn't have a group out there that you could identify with.
I'm curious how long H4L has felt this attraction to women. Is it something that only developed over the last few years or something he's felt for a long time? Did it develop after he started watching extensive porn?
@gaydud65: yea i asked him, he said he liked the close up shots of the man's dick going in and out of her pussy. This is Strange from some one who can't bare the sight of a naked woman.
I'm very curious, would you show us a picture that most closely resembles you and a latino male in an intimate hot moment
Another oddity: I'm typically a total top, but I love to bottom for Latinos. I dunno why it's different with them but it is
I've always being curios. Curiosity increased after I broke up with my ex. I've always watched gay porn and now almost always watch str8 porn.I'm curious how long H4L has felt this attraction to women. Is it something that only developed over the last few years or something he's felt for a long time? Did it develop after he started watching extensive porn?
LOL!!! Oh my!! those pics are so graphic I still shudder when I see them. Handsome guys, yes, but so naughty. LOL!
It's weird that u post cock-shots if cock doesn't turn you on as you said...
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Thanks for posting the pics H4L. I am surprised. I was sure you would be a top with Latinos.Hot4Latinos-- Colo asked for pics of what I like to do with Latin men. I LOVE to suck Latino cock. But pics or vids of cock do nothing for me. Dicks are like tits....the do nothing for me visually but they're fun to play with in real life.
Because of the intensity of the intimacy in the imagery you post of hetero or bi situations, I thought you might post something akin to this:
I know I'm generalizing, but it seems that a lot of bisexual men bottom when they have intercourse with other men.
I remember back in college going to this one guy's apartment to have sex. He had a beautiful body, very much like one or two of the images of men you posted. He informed me that he had just had sexual intercourse with a woman the night before for the very first time ever. He said it was okay. Then when we got into bed he promptly laid on his back, spread his legs high into the air. I was dumbfounded and I looked at him like--what the?! After what he revealed to me earlier I didn't expect him to be a big ole bottom.
He saw my reaction, got up and then forced me onto my back and began to lift my legs and spread them apart, all while mumbling negatively about something or other. I was proud of myself at that moment because I immediately pulled my legs away, sat up and moved to the edge of the bed and put my clothes on. I told him, "sorry I made a mistake." He knew he fucked up and began to apologize and kept asking me not to leave. Needless to say I said nothing further and got the fuck out of there. I've always figured that experience affected the way I've looked at bisexuals since. Hmmm.
I think you misread Colo. I am a top and do top Latinos (with pleasure). What I said was I ONLY bottom for Latinos (if they want). I prefer to top, however. It's interesting: When I first started with Latino men all could find were tops. When I finally found a bottom it was amazing and I was hooked. Interestingly, that guy said he was bi. He said, "I've never been with a girl, but I think I could be."
And you let go of the guy or let him get away?! You must be kicking yourself nowH4L-- When I finally found a bottom it was amazing and I was hooked. Interestingly, that guy said he was bi. He said, "I've never been with a girl, but I think I could be."
He got a promotion and moved to another state. Yes, I am kicking myself....a Latino power bottom. It doesn't get any better than that!
On a related but slightly off-topic note, I received a message on another forum I frequent from a guy whose profile identifies him as straight. His message to me? "I love cock. I'm bi but feel gay. Always have."
So he's all over the map. At least he has all his bases covered.
I 'chased' females during my teens, and twenties, because it was what I was 'Supposed' to do. And, I also 'played' with 'available' guys because it was what I Wanted to do.
That said ... there is, indeed, Beauty in (naked) females, even though I preferred naked guys! In all cases, though, it really came down to Attitude!
In spite of their gender, if they were willing to 'Play', who was I to turn them down?
Sometimes it's more about "The Game" than who it is you're Playing it with!
WISDOM is the Knowledge you've gained ... After you could have used it! _Me
@gaydude: you mentioned a straight identified juber who says he loves dick. H4l is this guy but in reverse. There's a gay juber on another forum, his screen name is claustaeu or something like that. He says he eats out women too. He says he's totally gay. You may have come across some of his posts on various threads.