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    Obama DoJ suing Apple

    this is some pretty great news... I hope the consumer wins out in this.

    Amazon was force-fed a poison Apple.

    That’s the charge from federal prosecutors, who on Wednesday filed an antitrust suit against the iPad2-maker over allegations that the computer company and five publishers of engaging in a “conspiracy to limit e-book price competition” to prevent Amazon from discounting digital books for its Kindle e-reader. Consumers picked up the tab...

    The government suit outlines a scheme under which Apple hatched a pricing arrangement with book publishers that violated antitrust laws and caused e-book customers to pay “tens of millions of dollars more for e-books than they would have otherwise paid.”

    “Together, Apple and the Publisher Defendants reached an agreement whereby retail price competition would cease (which all the conspirators desired), retail e-book prices would increase significantly (which the Publisher Defendants desired), and Apple would be guaranteed a 30 percent ‘commission’ on each e-book it sold (which Apple desired).”
    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/75035.html

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    It looks like the Apple of today is becoming the Microsoft of yesterday. (paragraph) I started with Apple's iMac way back in 1997, when buying an Apple meant "giving the finger" to Microsoft, which then bullied the world. And now Apple has become the corporate bully. (paragraph) Apple products still hold a very valuable niche - I think they meet the needs of newbies better than the other platforms. (paragraph) But I would like to see a move towards Linux. Using Linux means real independence from corporate bullying, and Linux products afford the consumer the ultimate in customizability. (paragraph) Loki, I hope Apple loses this lawsuit. Aggressive corporations need to get a pin punctured in their balloons. (paragraph) (sorry, guys, something seems to be happening with the format. My paragraphs have disappeared)

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    Yeah, another reason I like Amazon Prime. I get a free "AAA" book a month and can read all the public domain books I want. Course I chuckle when I use my ipad to watch videos on Amazon marketplace.

    Apple's electronics are not bad albeit overpriced but their software/marketplace is just deplorable.

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    Re: Obama DoJ suing Apple

    I wonder who was the leading voice in this suit. Has reading picked up in the US so much that the DoJ had to investigate and bring a case? I doubt e-book sales at other retailers (Amazon, B&N, etc) were low enough to merit a case. Something isn't making sense, so I'll have to wait for more details to make a judgement.

    And as Maxpowr9 stated, if you don't like the price of the e-book, don't buy it. I will always prefer hardcover/paperback books, I stare at a computer screen most of my workday so I don't need to do while relaxing and enjoying a good book.

    Besides, if the DoJ is itching to sue, they should go after textbook publishers.

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    Re: Obama DoJ suing Apple

    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    It looks like the Apple of today is becoming the Microsoft of yesterday.

    I started with Apple's iMac way back in 1997, when buying an Apple meant giving the finger to Microsoft, which then bullied the world. And now Apple has become the corporate bully.

    Apple products still hold a very valuable niche - I think they meet the needs of newbies better than the other platforms.

    But I would like to see a move towards Linux. Using Linux means real independence from corporate bullying, and Linux products afford the consumer the ultimate in customizability.

    Loki, I hope Apple loses this lawsuit. Aggressive corporations need to get a pin punctured in their balloons.

    I could not agree more.

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    Ebook sales have climbed enough that a major bookstore chain died not too long ago -- anyone remember?

    That's enough that the DoJ is going to stomp on any shenanigans early on -- let these guys get away with it and it won't be just tens of millions of dollars they're ripping off from customers.

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    @ T-Rexx

    I actually still buy paperback/hardcover books off Amazon.

    If you want my honest opinion Kuli, people are reading a lot more because there is so much crap on TV that reading is a book is actually better. I was one of those teens who hated reading and now that I'm an adult, I love it.

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    I've been in love with reading since when I devoured the unabridged Robinson Crusoe and Swiss Family Robinson in third grade, and went on to read all of Jules Verne over the next two years.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Ebook sales have climbed enough that a major bookstore chain died not too long ago -- anyone remember?

    .
    B. Dalton Bookseller?

    BTW, I have heard rumors that Barnes & Noble faces the same fate. If so, I'd see that as a major loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    B. Dalton Bookseller?

    BTW, I have heard rumors that Barnes & Noble faces the same fate. If so, I'd see that as a major loss.
    Yep -- Dalton.

    I haven't heard anything like that about B & N. An analysis I read said no other chain should be in trouble for five years or so, as book-loving customers shift from Dalton to the remaining ones. And B & N is doing some innovative things to stay ahead, too -- like opening cafes in the stores where people can sit and read.


    Another angle was that ebooks aren't up to the quality lots of readers like. One big advantage books have is that light level can vary wildly and you can still read; another is the ability to flip back to a previous page easily. Many people want something I do: a book that opens, so there are two pages facing you.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Ebook sales have climbed enough that a major bookstore chain died not too long ago -- anyone remember?

    That's enough that the DoJ is going to stomp on any shenanigans early on -- let these guys get away with it and it won't be just tens of millions of dollars they're ripping off from customers.
    The problem lies in the fact that Amazon is a monopoly, and this action will kill any competition to that monopoly.

    I suggest everyone read up on Amazon's very own anti-competitive actions in the ebook and book market. They make any actions here look like child's play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xRemyx View Post
    I wonder who was the leading voice in this suit. Has reading picked up in the US so much that the DoJ had to investigate and bring a case? I doubt e-book sales at other retailers (Amazon, B&N, etc) were low enough to merit a case. Something isn't making sense, so I'll have to wait for more details to make a judgement.

    And as Maxpowr9 stated, if you don't like the price of the e-book, don't buy it. I will always prefer hardcover/paperback books, I stare at a computer screen most of my workday so I don't need to do while relaxing and enjoying a good book.

    Besides, if the DoJ is itching to sue, they should go after textbook publishers.
    when book prices for all publishers rise by the exact same amount on the exact same day, they're not exactly being subtle about their collusion... I haven't heard any such allegations directed at textbook manufacturers.

    there's also the matter of secret meetings between the heads of the publishing houses, orders to "double delete" any emails related to the talks, and all that great stuff that highly suggests that publishing houses were aware that their collusion to raise prices was shady at best.

    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    The problem lies in the fact that Amazon is a monopoly, and this action will kill any competition to that monopoly.
    Amazon only has a 60% market share on the e-reader market. hardly a monopoly, and just as you can read non-amazon e-book formats on your kindle, you can read amazon e-books on other e-readers. if Amazon decides to sell e-books as a loss leader and make less of a profit per book than Apple or Barnes and Nobles, that's perfectly legal and done by retails stores around the world.

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    As much as I am an Apple fan, I am totally behind the Department of Justice on this one.
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    I agree. Monopolies hurt everybody, and if Apple are guilty of monopolistic behaviour by exerting their digital-library stranglehold, I hope they get taken to the cleaners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    Yeah, another reason I like Amazon Prime. I get a free "AAA" book a month and can read all the public domain books I want. Course I chuckle when I use my ipad to watch videos on Amazon marketplace.

    Apple's electronics are not bad albeit overpriced but their software/marketplace is just deplorable.
    you think Amazon is any better? Id say they are worse, they strong arm publishers and dont give barely any to charity.

    they said the charity the provide is giving people jobs...which happen to be the closest thing to slave labor if you work in one of their warehouses.
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    I want to be able to read books on my windshield while I'm driving on boring roads.

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    Lol. Try audio books. I've only recently discovered them. It makes the four hour drive to my parent's home just fly by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    when book prices for all publishers rise by the exact same amount on the exact same day, they're not exactly being subtle about their collusion... I haven't heard any such allegations directed at textbook manufacturers.

    there's also the matter of secret meetings between the heads of the publishing houses, orders to "double delete" any emails related to the talks, and all that great stuff that highly suggests that publishing houses were aware that their collusion to raise prices was shady at best.
    That all will come out. But collusion between the publishers is very different than collusion involving Apple.

    Amazon only has a 60% market share on the e-reader market. hardly a monopoly, and just as you can read non-amazon e-book formats on your kindle, you can read amazon e-books on other e-readers. if Amazon decides to sell e-books as a loss leader and make less of a profit per book than Apple or Barnes and Nobles, that's perfectly legal and done by retails stores around the world.
    You can't read Amazon eBooks anywhere but on Amazon devices. They are DRM'd and locked, and Amazon uses a proprietary format for their books. You can't even read ePub books, which is the dominant format. That, given the nature of the ebook market, is in itself anti-competitive behavior. Hell, even APPLE supports ePub on their devices.

    Further, a 60% marketshare, coupled with Amazon's tactics, fit all of the definitions of an illegal monopoly. You're going to see Amazon's dirty laundry aired very publicly when Apple presents its case, and I would not be surprised to see serious questions raised about Amazon's business practices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    That all will come out. But collusion between the publishers is very different than collusion involving Apple.


    You can't read Amazon eBooks anywhere but on Amazon devices. They are DRM'd and locked, and Amazon uses a proprietary format for their books. You can't even read ePub books, which is the dominant format. That, given the nature of the ebook market, is in itself anti-competitive behavior. Hell, even APPLE supports ePub on their devices.

    Further, a 60% marketshare, coupled with Amazon's tactics, fit all of the definitions of an illegal monopoly. You're going to see Amazon's dirty laundry aired very publicly when Apple presents its case, and I would not be surprised to see serious questions raised about Amazon's business practices.
    Good -- take 'em all down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    You can't read Amazon eBooks anywhere but on Amazon devices. They are DRM'd and locked, and Amazon uses a proprietary format for their books. You can't even read ePub books, which is the dominant format. That, given the nature of the ebook market, is in itself anti-competitive behavior. Hell, even APPLE supports ePub on their devices.

    Further, a 60% marketshare, coupled with Amazon's tactics, fit all of the definitions of an illegal monopoly. You're going to see Amazon's dirty laundry aired very publicly when Apple presents its case, and I would not be surprised to see serious questions raised about Amazon's business practices.
    just on a technical level, there is a Kindle app for both iOS and Android through which you can read your Amazon-purchased books... you can also easily (and freely) convert your e-pub books for the Kindle standard... PDF, .mobi, and .txt files are all natively supported without the need of conversion.

    I believe there is also an e-pub reader app available for the Kindle Fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    just on a technical level, there is a Kindle app for both iOS and Android through which you can read your Amazon-purchased books... you can also easily (and freely) convert your e-pub books for the Kindle standard... PDF, .mobi, and .txt files are all natively supported without the need of conversion.

    I believe there is also an e-pub reader app available for the Kindle Fire.
    Having an app available is different than what we're talking about. The books are still in a proprietary format that no other company except amazon uses.

    And your argument actually proves my point; Amazon does not support the industry standard. They force you to convert to their format, and there is no way to convert your purchased Amazon books to other formats that you can use on other devices. It is anti-competitive for them to force you to use their format, and purposefully leave out the industry standard format in their e-readers. (the hardware, after all, is the exact same is competing e-readers)

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    ^Do third-party applications exist that can convert from one (Amazon) format to another (possibly a .pdf)? After all, Adobe's own format—which they intended to be proprietary—has third-party readers and composers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    ^Do third-party applications exist that can convert from one (Amazon) format to another (possibly a .pdf)? After all, Adobe's own format—which they intended to be proprietary—has third-party readers and composers.
    with questionable legality, yes they exist.

    I'm still not entirely sure how a proprietary format == monopoly, though.

    iTunes uses a slew of proprietary formats for various functions and of all Apple's questionable behaviors, I wouldn't list that as one (Apple iBooks are also in a proprietary format and, like the Kindle, I believe iPads require specific apps to read other formats)

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    Loki, for a proprietary format to equal a monopoly, I'd look at how the proprietor attained total market share.

    If the investigators find anything illegal going on, then they'll find the proprietor "guilty as charged", and will act accordingly. Anti-trust laws exist for a reason, Loki.

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    what did Amazon do illegally to attain its market share?

    in the most recent anti-trust cases I can remember, MS and Intel were using their market presence to "discourage" vendors from working with the competition. I can't think of any allegations off the top of my head that Amazon is strong-arming publishers away from selling to other vendors.

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    Amazon did that. They were also manipulating market prices to force out any competitors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    with questionable legality, yes they exist.

    I'm still not entirely sure how a proprietary format == monopoly, though.

    iTunes uses a slew of proprietary formats for various functions and of all Apple's questionable behaviors, I wouldn't list that as one (Apple iBooks are also in a proprietary format and, like the Kindle, I believe iPads require specific apps to read other formats)
    Brush up on anti-trust law. The reason why its illegal is because Amazon is a monopoly in the ebooks market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB3 View Post
    Brush up on anti-trust law. The reason why its illegal is because Amazon is a monopoly in the ebooks market.
    I see lots of quotes of Apple accusing Amazon of being a monopoly, but how?

    and even if they are a monopoly, how does that justify publishers illegally colluding together to raise prices and Apple encouraging them to screw over consumers via contracts blocking Amazon from setting its own prices?

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    I have always had very strong aversion to Apple and everything it stands for. I'm happy I'm not the minority I thought I was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    I see lots of quotes of Apple accusing Amazon of being a monopoly, but how?
    Seriously? Its obvious to anyone that's been watching this market that Amazon is a monopoly that was abusing its position prior to Apple's entrance into the market. The only reason they stopped was because they were forced into a different, less profitable, pricing model.

    Here's a good breakdown of why the DOJ's case makes no sense, and that they're going after the wrong companies.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/16/bu...high-cost.html

    And how Amazon has already reverted to abusing its position:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/12/bu...vals.html?_r=2
    and even if they are a monopoly, how does that justify publishers illegally colluding together to raise prices and Apple encouraging them to screw over consumers via contracts blocking Amazon from setting its own prices?
    I'm not defending the publishers, but I am defending Apple. Contracts like the ones the publishers signed with Apple are not rare at all. Similar contracts were signed with Samsung regarding their tvs.

    But that's ignoring the fact that the publishers can choose whatever model for pricing they like. If Apple's terms were that the publishers set the prices, then they have the right to enforce those terms with other retailers as well. (Go read up on the difference between the wholesale and agency model) The issue that the publishers had with Amazon was that they were selling their books for far below what they were actually worth, so the publishers decided to force them to sell them for the price that they wanted. What tripped them up was the collusion between each other. Had that not happened, the government wouldn't have even cared.

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