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    The question is whether this was the result of divine annoyance or the routine erosion of rock at what is now the Bosphorus Strait.
    The two are not mutually exclusive.

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    I was raised in the Church of Christ. When I still went to church while stationed in Incirlik AB the chaplain's office was completely confused by our small congregation. They normally arranged to collect the portion of a congregation's donations that were sent to the mother church of that religion and could not understand that that there was no hierarchy ABOVE the individual congregation in the Church of Christ. The elders and minister of the congregation was it and they were appointed by the congregation.
    That's been referred to as the intermediate position between papism and the Baptist approach which makes every believer his/her own pope.

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    Since we've focused on the Great FLood:










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    Should I ask them when the Bible died?

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    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Now why did this show up in my search for Flood cartoons?



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    Since we've focused on the Great FLood:
    Stop killing the vegetarians. Those dinosaurs didn't hurt anyone.


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    Fr. Georges Lemaitre was one. And there are Jesuit physicists who have worked at CERN/LHC. Additionally, there are living Nobel science award recipients who are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, and other religions -- a whole batch of Jewish ones, in fact, something which drives Richard Dawkins up a wall.
    I was not doubting your word, I just hate it when people are vague and retain the actual information in their statements, as you just actually did again..: a scientist is merely a technnician achiever in a very specific field, so you can not expect any of them to articulate all those specific fields in one whole discourse, siumply because that is not their job and it goes beyond their ability and technical capacity... that is why Western science is doomed in its fragmentary form and the ignorance the general public has of it beyond the derived technological benefits they get from it all, while religion offers a whole discourse that even those against it have firmly imprinted on their minds, and why you can ultimately have capable scientists who, beyond their field of expertise, they are just as ignorant or as pious as anybody else.
    That is never said often enough...

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    That's been referred to as the intermediate position between papism and the Baptist approach which makes every believer his/her own pope.
    The Church of Christ is in most cases Baptists without the organ or piano. For some reason a tenant of their beliefs is that one praises God with ones voice and not with musical instruments to drown out the poor singers. Never did figure out why that particular aspect was so important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stardreamer View Post
    The Church of Christ is in most cases Baptists without the organ or piano. For some reason a tenant of their beliefs is that one praises God with ones voice and not with musical instruments to drown out the poor singers. Never did figure out why that particular aspect was so important.
    Theologically, in the Church of Christ the local congregation is the doctrinal authority; in Rome, it's the Pope; in Baptist "theology", it's the individual.

    The music thing is really stupid, since the Bible describes praising God with musical instruments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Theologically, in the Church of Christ the local congregation is the doctrinal authority; in Rome, it's the Pope; in Baptist "theology", it's the individual.

    The music thing is really stupid, since the Bible describes praising God with musical instruments.
    Does the bible say anything about Christian Rock being a punishment from god for people who enjoy music?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bort138 View Post
    Does the bible say anything about Christian Rock being a punishment from god for people who enjoy music?
    Some of it sure seems that way . . . .

    but I think it would be just another result of free will.


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    The Lord is Risen!





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    Because they do not actually understand one or the other, let alone both: they just swallow, and since what they swallow is the bigger one, there is not place for the rest
    And that is not just about religion: that how most people work, according to their programmed set of beliefs...

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    Awesome.

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    Because they do not actually understand one or the other, let alone both: they just swallow, and since what they swallow is the bigger one, there is not place for the rest
    And that is not just about religion: that how most people work, according to their programmed set of beliefs...
    While student teaching I got some infuriated phone calls from parents all riled up that I was attacking their kids' faith. Responses got interesting when I responded that as a Christian I considered it my responsibility to teach all the students to think clearly -- after all, God said "Come now, let us reason together", and you can't do reasoning without understanding what you're talking about.

    Their complaint? I insisted that until a student actually understood evolution, he or she keep his or her trap shut as far as claims it was false. I didn't care if they thought it was silly, awesome, boring, or whatever, I only cared that they understood it.

    I actually got that point across to some fundies. What I could never have gotten across was a more basic point: literalism makes understanding impossible (because it involves the common philosophical fallacy of imposing an outside set of beliefs on a system of thought rather than judging that system on its merits). It doesn't matter whether it's a fundy or an atheist; approaching the Bible from a literalist point of view eliminates all possibility of understanding.

    Of course it also makes those doing it look like morons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    While student teaching I got some infuriated phone calls from parents all riled up that I was attacking their kids' faith. Responses got interesting when I responded that as a Christian I considered it my responsibility to teach all the students to think clearly -- after all, God said "Come now, let us reason together", and you can't do reasoning without understanding what you're talking about.

    Their complaint? I insisted that until a student actually understood evolution, he or she keep his or her trap shut as far as claims it was false. I didn't care if they thought it was silly, awesome, boring, or whatever, I only cared that they understood it.

    I actually got that point across to some fundies. What I could never have gotten across was a more basic point: literalism makes understanding impossible (because it involves the common philosophical fallacy of imposing an outside set of beliefs on a system of thought rather than judging that system on its merits). It doesn't matter whether it's a fundy or an atheist; approaching the Bible from a literalist point of view eliminates all possibility of understanding.

    Of course it also makes those doing it look like morons.
    But Kulindahr, you yourself believe that parts of the bible are the literal truth. Big, important parts. Am I mistaken?

    It doesn't seem fair to interpret the resurrection of Christ literally, e.g., and then criticize literalists on the other hand.
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    Round down the fanciful to "metaphor."
    Round up the vaguely plausible to "factual."
    Take anything utterly imaginary to be "transcendent TRUTH" to unite both fact and metaphor.

    Then you're there! You're only supposed to take the literal parts literally! Sheesh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoltanspawn View Post
    But Kulindahr, you yourself believe that parts of the bible are the literal truth. Big, important parts. Am I mistaken?

    It doesn't seem fair to interpret the resurrection of Christ literally, e.g., and then criticize literalists on the other hand.
    This is the same stupidity the fundamentalists spout -- they don't care what the Bible really is or says, they just want to treat it all the same. It's cognitive laziness.

    Yes, parts are written as literal truth. But to treat all of it as literal truth when it wasn't written that way is just asinine -- which is why the moment someone goes literalist, all ability of knowing anything is gone; the result is just nonsense.

    Both atheists and fundamentalists who want to treat the Bible as something written a generation ago in reasonably modern English are embarrassments to the notion that man is a rational animal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Round down the fanciful to "metaphor."
    Round up the vaguely plausible to "factual."
    Take anything utterly imaginary to be "transcendent TRUTH" to unite both fact and metaphor.

    Then you're there! You're only supposed to take the literal parts literally! Sheesh.
    No rounding at all -- you take them as they were written. The fact that you stick only to the sorts of literary approach you know shows you're not any more interested in honesty and accuracy than those who take the parables as literal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    This is the same stupidity the fundamentalists spout -- they don't care what the Bible really is or says, they just want to treat it all the same. It's cognitive laziness.

    Yes, parts are written as literal truth. But to treat all of it as literal truth when it wasn't written that way is just asinine -- which is why the moment someone goes literalist, all ability of knowing anything is gone; the result is just nonsense.

    Both atheists and fundamentalists who want to treat the Bible as something written a generation ago in reasonably modern English are embarrassments to the notion that man is a rational animal.
    I think it would be much fairer for you to say more clearly, then, that interpreting the whole of the Bible literally makes understanding impossible.

    As written in your previous post and elsewhere, you've given the impression that you are not a literalist.

    But the very core of your beliefs (for example, the resurrection) is that of a literalist.

    Thanks for clarifying your position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoltanspawn View Post
    I think it would be much fairer for you to say more clearly, then, that interpreting the whole of the Bible literally makes understanding impossible.

    As written in your previous post and elsewhere, you've given the impression that you are not a literalist.

    But the very core of your beliefs (for example, the resurrection) is that of a literalist.
    No, the core is to read it for what it is. Literalism reads literally without any care as to what is meant.
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    What fantasy god is that supposed to be about?

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    What fantasy god is that supposed to be about?
    the one that's the central character in that fantasy book called The Bible

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    No, the core is to read it for what it is. Literalism reads literally without any care as to what is meant.
    So...your belief in the literal resurrection of Christ is peripheral to your christianity?

    Reading the resurrection of Christ literally is careless as to what is meant?
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    No, the core is to read it for what it is. Literalism reads literally without any care as to what is meant.
    What it is is an amalgam of political opportunism, and well-meaning but befuddled folklore, nursed along by a profitable established clergy over the course of a millennium or two. Well, two.
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    such nice people...

    True and what is really ironic is that all of them would be going to hell along with them.
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    ^^ Wow. This is a fine example of the "happiness and love" that comes with faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoltanspawn View Post
    So...your belief in the literal resurrection of Christ is peripheral to your christianity?

    Reading the resurrection of Christ literally is careless as to what is meant?
    What???

    Literalism and believing in the literal resurrection have nothing to do with each other.
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    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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