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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    The question is wrong. It's like asking both "Who made water wet?" and "Who built the Alps?" The word "created" doesn't apply to God.

    Sorry Kuli but that's a lame answer, and you're deliberately avoiding even attempting to address it.

    "Who made water wet?"

    No-one, BUT THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS that a chemical process fused hydrogen and oxygen atoms to create a compound that remains in a liquid state at room temperature.

    "Who built the Alps?"

    No-one, BUT THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS that the process of plate tectonics within the Earth's crust caused the African plate to push northwards into the Eurasian plate, thereby folding the crust and over millions of years creating the mountain range known as the Alps.

    So, let's try again....

    Who created God?

    Or if you prefer the long winded question....

    What was the process that led to the 'birth' or 'manifestation' of an omnipitent super-intelligence in the creation of our Universe, and where, when, and in what form did this 'being' or 'lifeform' originate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    It was Slartibartfast who built the fjords. I daresay he did the Alps too.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbNtlS69HhU
    (on topic video too!)
    I have to get around to seeing that one of these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Carl Sagan asked that 30 years ago. He was wondering if the universe needs a creator, why wouldn't a god? And if a god doesn't need a creator, why would the universe?

    Never been any answer other than crickets. Or "Hey! Look over there!" or "Because they aren't the same thing" followed by "In what way does a universe necessitate being created by a god while a god necessitates no such creator" followed by crickets or "Hey! Look over there!"
    Because a Creator by definition has none in turn, else it isn't a creator, just an intermediary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenGuy View Post
    Sorry Kuli but that's a lame answer, and you're deliberately avoiding even attempting to address it.

    "Who made water wet?"

    No-one, BUT THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS that a chemical process fused hydrogen and oxygen atoms to create a compound that remains in a liquid state at room temperature.

    "Who built the Alps?"

    No-one, BUT THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS that the process of plate tectonics within the Earth's crust caused the African plate to push northwards into the Eurasian plate, thereby folding the crust and over millions of years creating the mountain range known as the Alps.

    So, let's try again....

    Who created God?

    Or if you prefer the long winded question....

    What was the process that led to the 'birth' or 'manifestation' of an omnipitent super-intelligence in the creation of our Universe, and where, when, and in what form did this 'being' or 'lifeform' originate?
    The inevitable shallow answers to the questions posed.

    Nothing made water wet; it's inherent in being water. And nothing built the Alps; they were generated.

    God was not created; that's part of the nature of being God -- God is generated, by Himself -- self-generating, as the answer to Moses concerning God's name reveals.

    It's the materialists who insist it has to be turtles all the way down.

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    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    so god doesn't need a creator to exist but the universe for some reason couldn't exist without a creator?

    right....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Because a Creator by definition has none in turn, else it isn't a creator, just an intermediary.
    Another dodge! Yes, every atheist can imagine a god existing beyond time and without beginning. We're still waiting for an answer as to why those same attributes couldn't just apply to the universe itself. Still crickets from those with the theist hypothesis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Another dodge! Yes, every atheist can imagine a god existing beyond time and without beginning. We're still waiting for an answer as to why those same attributes couldn't just apply to the universe itself. Still crickets from those with the theist hypothesis.
    It's not a dodge, it's basic sense. By definition, a Creator has to be self-generating.

    Why the universe isn't self-generating is the atheist's problem. The believer understands that the universe itself is evidence that there's a Creator.

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    I nominate this for most highly amusing areligious internet pic:

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarCrasher View Post
    Cool, they actually spelled "ark" correctly. Not even "I read a book one time but can't remember the name" MikeyLove, with the divine guidance of God, and Jesus literally at his side, can get that right.
    Noah's Ark - the boat.
    Noah's Arc - god's sign (a rainbow) that his highly unpleasant murderous rampage of drownings was over.

    Imagine the in-breeding that followed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by johaninsc View Post

    I know this meme has a child in it, but it really cuts to what bothers me the most about those who say that they follow Christ
    Clearly the pope has been buying those treasures to allow as many of the vendors as possible to be perfect and have treasure in heaven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyLove View Post
    We know that GOD cannot create himself, and that he has always existed through all eternity, even before the Big Bang, he is PURE SPIRIT. Though we cannot see him, except in the form of His Son, the second person of the One GOD, the Trinity...we can know him through various means, as mentioned in many threads in this forum. The few means that we can know him, not just by Faith, but by way of deep Prayer, Meditation, and Contemplation. Another means of knowing GOD, is by way of experiencing his Divine Presence in our Lives.
    I understand that when you say "we" you mean you and like minded people. So I'm not going to bother you about that.

    I do have a question though. Only because I've seen you post about your religion before and I know that you're sincere. My question is about the holy trinity.

    The way I understand it. There's God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. God is Jesus, but God is above Jesus. Jesus is the Holy Ghost, but Jesus is above the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost is both God and Jesus, but it's below both God and Jesus.

    Now, saying that's all true, or at least that all three are the same entity, God sent himself down as Jesus with the purpose of being crucificed for the sins of man. Then, while being crucified, Jesus says "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do" to himself, God.

    So to me, none of that makes any sense. I can look at it and say that it's all crazy and none of it is true. Maybe this is a strawman arguement, but I tried my best with the knowledge that I have about the bible.

    My question is, how do you justify this? Or do you even have to? What have you expereinced in your life that has made you feel different?

    Or am I just completely off base with my understanding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phlash View Post
    The way I understand it. There's God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. God is Jesus, but God is above Jesus. Jesus is the Holy Ghost, but Jesus is above the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost is both God and Jesus, but it's below both God and Jesus.

    Now, saying that's all true, or at least that all three are the same entity, God sent himself down as Jesus with the purpose of being crucificed for the sins of man. Then, while being crucified, Jesus says "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do" to himself, God.

    So to me, none of that makes any sense. I can look at it and say that it's all crazy and none of it is true. Maybe this is a strawman arguement, but I tried my best with the knowledge that I have about the bible.

    My question is, how do you justify this? Or do you even have to? What have you expereinced in your life that has made you feel different?

    Or am I just completely off base with my understanding?
    My mom talks to herself too. She also keeps the radio on all the time "for company."
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    Quote Originally Posted by looseliam View Post
    I think that might be tenets of satanism. Or at least LaVeyan satanism. The idea of killing god in your mind, even though you don't believe he even exists.

    I'll probably get called out by a hardcore satanist now for not knowing what I'm talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarCrasher View Post
    I didn't know that. But he can't even use that as an excuse because he was referring directly to the boat which was apparently found on a mountain in Turkey.
    Actually there's one interesting find over there, but at the last I knew there was nothing to distinguish between it being a boat or a large wooden building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Clearly the pope has been buying those treasures to allow as many of the vendors as possible to be perfect and have treasure in heaven.
    IIRC, Ratzinger, back when he was head of the Inquisition, was one of those who objected to John Paul I selling some Vatican treasures to pay the bills.


    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phlash View Post
    I understand that when you say "we" you mean you and like minded people. So I'm not going to bother you about that.

    I do have a question though. Only because I've seen you post about your religion before and I know that you're sincere. My question is about the holy trinity.

    The way I understand it. There's God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. God is Jesus, but God is above Jesus. Jesus is the Holy Ghost, but Jesus is above the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost is both God and Jesus, but it's below both God and Jesus.

    Now, saying that's all true, or at least that all three are the same entity, God sent himself down as Jesus with the purpose of being crucificed for the sins of man. Then, while being crucified, Jesus says "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do" to himself, God.

    So to me, none of that makes any sense. I can look at it and say that it's all crazy and none of it is true. Maybe this is a strawman arguement, but I tried my best with the knowledge that I have about the bible.

    My question is, how do you justify this? Or do you even have to? What have you expereinced in your life that has made you feel different?

    Or am I just completely off base with my understanding?
    It makes perfect sense, but you're all over the place with it. Here's something that works as a key:


    As an ancient Creed puts it:

    The Father is God, the Son is God, the Spirit is God;
    The Father is not the Son, nor the Spirit;
    The Son is not the Father, nor the Spirit;
    the Spirit is not the Father, nor the Son.


    It's easy enough to grasp, as mathematical operations:

    As God, 1 * 1 * 1 = 1
    As Persons, 1 + 1 + 1 = 3.

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    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyLove View Post
    First off, the three persons of The Holy Trinity are equal to each other. Secondly, the easiest way to explain the Trinity is to find 3 long waxed candle wicks and hold them together, then light the top....How many flames are there? Now pull them apart and tell me how many flames there are. Bring them back together, and how many flames are there? The three leaf clover doesn't do justice to the easiest explanation of the Trinity. For great effects...do the wick experiment with all lights out and at night.
    That's an interesting one!

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    The last I knew there was nothing to distinguish it from a rock, either.
    No, it's definitely wood, though they've recovered some that shows early signs of petrification.

    There are at least three different claims to being the Ark. One was disproven by NASA; I forget the details. Another is totally the wrong shape -- a craft of its shape and dimensions wouldn't have lasted half a day on the supposed world-wide 'ocean' even if it had been "calm". There are reports it's actually of wood, but there's dispute on the dating... which is irrelevant anyway; a boat that wouldn't last the forty days and more doesn't qualify.

    Someone ventured the notion that the wrong-shaped one was an Ark shrine built by unknown monks, who wouldn't have known the proper shape or size.

    As for the remaining one... since there's no evidence for a global flood, and since the Bible doesn't actually say that, if it's really a boat, there's the interesting question of how a local/regional flood tossed it that high.


    BTW -- sorry, Mikey, but even if that one really is a boat, there's nothing to make us believe it's Noah's, or even that it ever floated anywhere. Don't fall into the trap of thinking it's so because it would be nice if it were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopherGF View Post

    Courtesy of It's OK to Be Takei
    I totally love that one.

    It reminds me, there's a thread everyone should visit, over in CE & P, title something like "Show this to your conservative friends". A college student who got a leave of absence to study the matter does a superb presentation on what the Bible has to say about homosexuality. The true beauty is that he does it from basically conservative principles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    It makes perfect sense, but you're all over the place with it. Here's something that works as a key:


    As an ancient Creed puts it:

    The Father is God, the Son is God, the Spirit is God;
    The Father is not the Son, nor the Spirit;
    The Son is not the Father, nor the Spirit;
    the Spirit is not the Father, nor the Son.


    It's easy enough to grasp, as mathematical operations:

    As God, 1 * 1 * 1 = 1
    As Persons, 1 + 1 + 1 = 3.
    Math. That graphic amounts to
    1. A=B
    2. A=C
    3. A=D
    4. B≠C
    5. C≠D
    6. D≠B


    From line 3 we know that A=D. Thus line 5 can be rewritten as C≠A. And now line 2 becomes irreconcilable. I think this is called "Woo woo Mathematics."


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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Math. That graphic amounts to
    1. A=B
    2. A=C
    3. A=D
    4. B≠C
    5. C≠D
    6. D≠B


    From line 3 we know that A=D. Thus line 5 can be rewritten as C≠A. And now line 2 becomes irreconcilable. I think this is called "Woo woo Mathematics."
    Your little list is irrelevant. The graphic demonstrates that under different operations, different conditions apply. That's quite common in math.

    And in science, you don't "disprove" something by trying to force your preferred form of math on it, you take the data and find math that works.

    The diagram comes from the data in the Bible. The math is chosen to fit the data.

    In short, you're being non-scientific in your approach. I think this is called "irrational".

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    The stories of men are considered "Data".

    Who is avoiding science again?

    I thought in your abortion thread you claimed I was finding information to support my conclusion yet here you do the exact same thing. You find some unverified unproven information and PRODUCE mathematical data to support it.

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    so science isn't about disproving unverifiable claims but is about finding "math" that proves the "data" in the bible to be true?

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    Ahh yes. Data. Apparently Kulindahr you missed this one earlier in the thread:
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    The stories of men are considered "Data".

    Who is avoiding science again?

    I thought in your abortion thread you claimed I was finding information to support my conclusion yet here you do the exact same thing. You find some unverified unproven information and PRODUCE mathematical data to support it.
    For theology, the Bible is data.

    No, you weren't using any information at all -- you were invoking metaphysics.

    "Unverified unproven information". Odd -- the question was what the Bible had to say about the Trinity. That presupposed that the Bible is the relevant data set. I showed what the Bible says, and further showed that it can be mathematically modeled.

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    so science isn't about disproving unverifiable claims but is about finding "math" that proves the "data" in the bible to be true?
    Science is about taking your data set and making sense of it. Frequently that means finding a mathematical model for it. What the data set is, is irrelevant.

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    Ahh yes. Data. Apparently Kulindahr you missed this one earlier in the thread:
    That doesn't even apply. The Bible is the data set given in the question I was answering.


    Don't people actually pay attention to the discussion here? or are you all fundamentalists bound on snatching at the latest thing you see without investigating or keeping track of things?


    Besides which, you ignore the fact that many of us came in through Intelligent Design, in the original sense of being led to believing in a Creator via science. What the Bible had to say about itself was irrelevant; such statements are to be expected from any body of literature claiming to be divine revelation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopherGF View Post
    Didn't I post that one already?

    It's a good illustration of why friends and I walked out of our first "creation science" seminar. If you're going to do science, do science. It's possible for science to inform theology, but the reverse is only very rarely true... I have yet to find a religious text that purports to have any scientific insight.

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    That doesn't even apply. The Bible is the data set given in the question I was answering.


    Don't people actually pay attention to the discussion here? or are you all fundamentalists bound on snatching at the latest thing you see without investigating or keeping track of things?


    Besides which, you ignore the fact that many of us came in through Intelligent Design, in the original sense of being led to believing in a Creator via science. What the Bible had to say about itself was irrelevant; such statements are to be expected from any body of literature claiming to be divine revelation.
    Kulindahr, in every rational enterprise, the quality of the data is examined and held to scrutiny, refined, examined for outliers or "noise" and so on.

    To be fair, you have done this far more than most people in the Christian tent by reading and comparing translations, contextual documents, etc. In that regard, you may feel that your blithe assertions about it being "data" are well-justified and probably most of the people who are astonished at your use of the word "data" have not pored over it in the same detail that you have.

    Yet it still seems astonishing to me - I still have the impression you have not ever deeply considered competing and contrary data, for example from other religious traditions, which must be accounted for. And because I do suspect you of researcher bias; you see what your heart desires to be true in the data. The mathematical elegance of some intuitive idea can guide the researcher in an avenue of enquiry, but it cannot substitute for a researched conclusion supported by evidence. And that's where I base my critique.

    In your review of contextual documents, as noted above, you will have seen that the ancient peoples of the middle east had developed every concept known to machiavelli, and suffered, in the aggregate, from every delusion and confusion that can plague any crowd in any period of history.

    The bible may be data, but I don't think it is evidence of divinity. It clearly isn't necessarily evidence of divinity. The alternate hypotheses must be considered just as the data must be screened:
    • Could it not be a collection of well-intentioned observations about human nature, given a veneer of imagined divinity by those who were trying to harness "Appeal to authority" to reinforce their teachings
    • …combined with some confused and possibly delusional witnessing that would be explained in the modern era by conditions observable in a Functional MRI and resolved with the appropriate psychiatric treatment
    • …or an accurate historical record of people's widely-held misconceptions - the History of Being Wrong - in the same way that we can read accurate and compelling accounts of Phrenology and its uses.
    • …and, given the history of the established church, just some general tyrannical réalpolitique that served to enthral the population and keep them compliant and obedient to those overlords whose interests were thereby advanced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    For theology, the Bible is data.

    No, you weren't using any information at all -- you were invoking metaphysics.

    "Unverified unproven information". Odd -- the question was what the Bible had to say about the Trinity. That presupposed that the Bible is the relevant data set. I showed what the Bible says, and further showed that it can be mathematically modeled.
    No the problem is that no matter what the topic Kulindhar is never to be wrong no matter what he must say to get there.

    In the end for most people it doesnt matter. Religion is junk. Anyone who believe is deceiving themselves. However that is not my problem it is theirs. What i dont understand is why someone who believes in no harm no foul freedom for ebbybody would jump into a humor thread and try to debate jokes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    No the problem is that no matter what the topic Kulindhar is never to be wrong no matter what he must say to get there. [portion deleted]
    A great insight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Kulindahr, in every rational enterprise, the quality of the data is examined and held to scrutiny, refined, examined for outliers or "noise" and so on.

    To be fair, you have done this far more than most people in the Christian tent by reading and comparing translations, contextual documents, etc. In that regard, you may feel that your blithe assertions about it being "data" are well-justified and probably most of the people who are astonished at your use of the word "data" have not pored over it in the same detail that you have.

    Yet it still seems astonishing to me - I still have the impression you have not ever deeply considered competing and contrary data, for example from other religious traditions, which must be accounted for. And because I do suspect you of researcher bias; you see what your heart desires to be true in the data. The mathematical elegance of some intuitive idea can guide the researcher in an avenue of enquiry, but it cannot substitute for a researched conclusion supported by evidence. And that's where I base my critique.

    In your review of contextual documents, as noted above, you will have seen that the ancient peoples of the middle east had developed every concept known to machiavelli, and suffered, in the aggregate, from every delusion and confusion that can plague any crowd in any period of history.

    The bible may be data, but I don't think it is evidence of divinity. It clearly isn't necessarily evidence of divinity. The alternate hypotheses must be considered just as the data must be screened:
    • Could it not be a collection of well-intentioned observations about human nature, given a veneer of imagined divinity by those who were trying to harness "Appeal to authority" to reinforce their teachings
    • …combined with some confused and possibly delusional witnessing that would be explained in the modern era by conditions observable in a Functional MRI and resolved with the appropriate psychiatric treatment
    • …or an accurate historical record of people's widely-held misconceptions - the History of Being Wrong - in the same way that we can read accurate and compelling accounts of Phrenology and its uses.
    • …and, given the history of the established church, just some general tyrannical réalpolitique that served to enthral the population and keep them compliant and obedient to those overlords whose interests were thereby advanced.
    And what does any of that have to do with a question of what the Bible says about something?

    If someone asked, "What does Marx say about art?" introducing opinions of famous artists would be irrelevant -- the only relevant data would be found in statements by Marx.

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    No the problem is that no matter what the topic Kulindhar is never to be wrong no matter what he must say to get there.
    Making crap up because your irrationality on another topic was pointed out doesn't work.

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    In the end for most people it doesnt matter. Religion is junk. Anyone who believe is deceiving themselves. However that is not my problem it is theirs.
    Not too aware of the world around you, huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    What i dont understand is why someone who believes in no harm no foul freedom for ebbybody would jump into a humor thread and try to debate jokes?
    Maybe you should read the thread again. All I did was comment on ignorance.

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    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyLove View Post
    OMG! I had to laugh at that one!
    Trudeau can bring such a subtle perspective.

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    No so subtle:


    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyLove View Post
    Well, at least I as a Catholic, am not required to believe in a literal 6- 24/hr days of creation. I am allowed to see that both Evolution and Creation are compatible, as the Church sees it that way too.
    But you do have to put up with a certain degree of silliness . . .






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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyLove View Post
    Well, at least I as a Catholic, am not required to believe in a literal 6- 24/hr days of creation. I am allowed to see that both Evolution and Creation are compatible, as the Church sees it that way too.
    Just so you know, you're actually allowed to believe things that the church doesn't agree with too...
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    Just so you know, you're actually allowed to believe things that the church doesn't agree with too...
    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyLove View Post
    ...and who is allowing that....the Easter Bunny? LOL
    Church tradition, and even a few papal bulls, actually. For starters, you don't have to believe anything that isn't set as dogma; second, you can even question dogma if it goes strongly against your conscience.

    For example, I know Roman Catholics who refuse to acknowledge papal infallibility, because the decision was rigged by the pope at the time, and their consciences won't allow them to accept a teaching accomplished by politics orchestrated by the man the decision benefited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by looseliam View Post
    Heh -- I like it.

    For accuracy, though, there should be a white wedge labeled "Leviticus? What's that?"

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    Surely this is the limit:

    Buckets of fuck butter.


    This one makes me lol.




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    Papal Infallibility is only in the areas of Faith and Morals, not in anything else. As for the decision being rigged...I think you'd have a hard time proving that one.

    There are very few Dogmas that are in fact made in Ex-Cathedera. Once Dogmas are set in stone, they are not to be questioned.

    Church Traditions as in the big "T" or the little 't"? The ones that are the big T's are unchangeable, and the little t's are changeable. Now tell me what Traditions of the Church are you talking about, ie; specify exactly which ones....that will make a lot of sense, and I can understand what is being spoken of...not so easy when spoken in general. Also tell me which Papal Bulls you are talking about specifically, not in general.
    The rigging of the Council is something that was shown to me by an Augustinian and confirmed by a Jesuit -- and I figure if one of the "pope's shock troops" confirms it, it's no joke.

    I don't know the bulls specifically, but they speak on the matter of not being required to violate one's conscience.

    At any rate, I don't worry about it much, since any possibility of Rome's bishop speaking infallibly even as defined ended in 1054.

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    I love it!


    Though the whole "zombie Jesus" thing just puzzles me.

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    ^Rising from the dead... much like zombies are supposed to do... puzzles you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post
    ^Rising from the dead... much like zombies are supposed to do... puzzles you?
    Oh. Duh.

    Big difference between resurrection and reanimation, though.






    (A seventh-level cleric can re-animate, but it takes a much higher one to resurrect )

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