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    Too true:


    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyLove View Post
    I find that this entire thread to be seriously Blasphemous, with the exception of a very few that display Romney, Santorum, and Palin, etc. All else is Blasphemy.
    I can find only two, arguably three posts which can qualify as blasphemous. OTOH, there's a serious number that would be offensive to Roman Catholics, but being offensive doesn't make them blasphemous. There are also a number that are just plain ignorant and therefore stupid, but that doesn't make them blasphemous.

    In between in numbers are some to which Christians should pay attention, because they carry a valid criticism.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarCrasher View Post
    Blasphemy is a great thing.

    Religions don't deserve to be respected. They're a collection of lies which hinder progress.

    Don't agree? Well of course you don't. Just consider that everyone on this board should have been executed many times over by now as per the Muslims, Jews, and Christians.
    Mikey, don't be bothered by this irrational statement of faith which ignores evidence and utilizes fallacious reasoning.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Militant atheists are as bad as far-right deists.

    Not as bad, but certainly as annoying.
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    This thread will upset many people. Awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarCrasher View Post
    Militant? LMAO.

    Yes, do what you always do - shake your head, roll your eyes, laugh it off and pretend you're absolutely correct while thumbing your nose down claiming to be oh-so intellectual and superior.

    If your head was anymore up your ass i'd swear you were a creationist, oblivious and yet so sure at the same time.

    Kinda funny. At least funnier than some of the pics(though I think I laughed hardest at Topher's second one on this page).
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarCrasher View Post
    Wow -- if you didn't already, zoom in and read the fine print!

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post
    Militant atheists are as bad as far-right deists.

    Not as bad, but certainly as annoying.
    Deists?

    Deists are pretty easy-going types who tolerate most religions and agnostics, but aren't bothered terribly by atheists.

    I think you mean "theists".

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarCrasher View Post
    Actually, the answer is "the second".

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarCrasher View Post
    My statement is totally correct.

    Read your Bible and stop conveniently picking and choosing what verses you follow. (Or do the smart thing and just reject it entirely.)
    Excellent example of picking and choosing.

    See, there's a later section called "the Prophets", where God makes plain that justice and mercy are what count. Then there's a later section where God tells the church that all those old rules are gone; just don't kill people, be promiscuous, and a few other things.

    So your statement is false, because it's based on a false generalization, and your defense is false, because it does exactly what you accuse me of.

    If you're going to criticize something, at least get a cursory knowledge of what you're talking about. Being able to look up some verses and pounce using them just shows you have no idea what you're talking about.


    BTW, you know that word translated "abomination"? It used to be rendered as "unclean". And God himself tells Peter (the alleged first pope) not to call unclean anything God has made.

    I leave the conclusion as an exercise for the student.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post
    Yes, do what you always do - shake your head, roll your eyes, laugh it off and pretend you're absolutely correct while thumbing your nose down claiming to be oh-so intellectual and superior.

    If your head was anymore up your ass i'd swear you were a creationist, oblivious and yet so sure at the same time.

    Kinda funny. At least funnier than some of the pics(though I think I laughed hardest at Topher's second one on this page).
    He is quite similar.

    I sighed at Topher's second one. If Tebow and other Christians actually read their Bibles, they'd thank God just as much for getting sacked, for having to call a locksmith and pay $80 to get into the car after losing keys . . . and for not having enough money to put food on the table for their kids.

    The only time special thanks are due is if you asked God for a specific thing and it happened.

    To render the first relevant Bible verse into colloquial English, "He sends good things, and makes shit happen". The second: "He makes everything work for good, for those who love Him". So when shit happens, it's for the Christian's good -- and God should get praised.

    I'll believe Tebow's piety is real when I see him on the field praising God for having gotten his face smeared in the mud and the ball knocked free to be recovered by the other team.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopherGF View Post
    Cute. But it implies that persecution depends on numbers, which isn't so.

    THough I'm wondering what the artist meant by putting the grey figures in tidy rows.

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    Priceless.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Kulindahr, in your mind, "pumpernickel" may be what most of us would commonly refer to as a bobsleigh, perhaps with some etymological precedent found in some long-forgotten dusty library, secreted away in another land. And perhaps you're happy to take the pumpernickel down the track at 150 km/h in a latex catsuit.

    But when you begin speaking with the larger public, it is helpful to at least acknowledge that a different meaning is not only top-of-mind for many people, but also not without foundation.

    To most people, particularly gay people, "christianity" is defined by a more expansive track record than just the theology of a few inoffensive thinkers who might happen to share your creed. Christianity is as christianity does, and it has not always been a pretty picture.

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    Deists?

    Deists are pretty easy-going types who tolerate most religions and agnostics, but aren't bothered terribly by atheists.

    I think you mean "theists".
    Yes. That one.

    Since Crash did exactly what he always does(act superior, try to give me a lesson on the meaning of the terminology I used against him, then lowered himself to using "net language" in an effort to try and "insult" someone), no response needed to his bullshit. If I thought atheists were supposed to be a group, i'd be offended by his existence... thank hell that's not the case.

    Oh, and university boy, I do know what militant means.

    Damn. Guess that qualifies as a response to him. Ah well, never said I was perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Cute. But it implies that persecution depends on numbers, which isn't so.

    THough I'm wondering what the artist meant by putting the grey figures in tidy rows.
    If I had a penny for every time you've mentioned "mob rule" or "tyranny of the majority" under the rubric of "things to be guarded against" I would have all the remaining pennies before they're withdrawn from circulation.

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    Satire is both intellectually challenging and culturally delightful. It has been a necessary part of civilization for centuries if not millennia.

    Designed to provoke, inspire, challenge, or simply amuse, it does not require the approval of those whose sense of humour cannot manage it. It's a damn funny thread with no requirement of inspiring a rational discussion. Though I daresay it lends itself to it.

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    Some people are bound to be hurt by some of the pics in this thread in exactly the same way some gay people are bound to be hurt by the anti-gay images the Phelps use.

    Some of this borders on intentionally hurting people's feelings, just as the Phelps' signs are beyond the pale.

    Criticism, satire and discussion in the realm of such a fractious and heartfelt topic is appropriate.

    Ridicule is puerile and shitty.

    The dead christians in the dumpster is perhaps a step beyond ridicule. It reminds me of other very controversial images that do little to make us understand one another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarCrasher View Post
    No, you don't, otherwise you would have known that militant atheism is so rare that it's barely even worth mentioning.
    We have here on JUB what I'll call "intermittent militant atheism", which isn't quite random as sometimes it's set off by some egregiously stupid or barbaric thing some religious creature worthy of note has said or done. It might even be described as "bipolar II militant atheism", never getting terribly manic, but much of the time sinking into (visible) apathy.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Satire is both intellectually challenging and culturally delightful. It has been a necessary part of civilization for centuries if not millennia.

    Designed to provoke, inspire, challenge, or simply amuse, it does not require the approval of those whose sense of humour cannot manage it. It's a damn funny thread with no requirement of inspiring a rational discussion. Though I daresay it lends itself to it.
    This reminds me of a statement I heard from a professor of systematic theology, a statement found quite offensive by many who heard it at the time -- that anyone who cannot enjoy pointed satire about his or her faith lacks the capacity to be a good systematic theologian.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Too many posts in a row without a cartoon....


    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Oh yes they do. Most Christians don't even realize the Bible endorses sex slavery and capital punishment for girls who have sex before marriage.
    No, it doesn't. Claims that it does are based on the pick-and-choose approach to the Bible, which is as asinine from atheists as from fundamentalists.

    Quote Originally Posted by StarCrasher View Post
    Wow, you are really clueless. The debate in that thread wasn't really about evolution. It went off-topic, and was about whether or not we can say for sure, given the evidence, that there's definitely only one god, as opposed to no gods, or multiple gods.

    If me correctly stating that evolution is a fact (and a theory) bothers you, most anything will.
    Wow, you are really clueless.

    It wasn't you stating anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoltanspawn View Post
    Some people are bound to be hurt by some of the pics in this thread in exactly the same way some gay people are bound to be hurt by the anti-gay images the Phelps use.

    Some of this borders on intentionally hurting people's feelings, just as the Phelps' signs are beyond the pale.

    Criticism, satire and discussion in the realm of such a fractious and heartfelt topic is appropriate.

    Ridicule is puerile and shitty.

    The dead christians in the dumpster is perhaps a step beyond ridicule. It reminds me of other very controversial images that do little to make us understand one another.
    Many of the cartoons also serve the same way the Phelps' signs do: to show how base and bigoted the person holding them up is.


    BTW, I cracked up at the dead Christians one, because I recognized the name on the dumpster as a business name, and saw the pic as satire on how the English language puts words together with unintended meanings.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    This one I love because creationists don't realize that they're reading a hard book:


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    You're confused and maybe need to read the conversation from the beginning. He posted a quote of me stating that evolution was fact and not only just a theory. I correctly referred to that as a statement. Now you're telling me I didn't state that? If I didn't, then he had no point to begin with.
    No, I didn't tell you that you didn't state that.

    And like I used to do with my college remedial reading comprehension students, I'm going to let you figure it out.

    It isn't about you stating anything.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    That was a pope with a sense of humor.
    No wonder: Catholicism is a riot... but of course then there's Mormonism, and Shiism, and Haredism...

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    No, it doesn't. Claims that it does are based on the pick-and-choose approach to the Bible, which is as asinine from atheists as from fundamentalists.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    This one I love because creationists don't realize that they're reading a hard book:

    Kul, the Bible, like the Qur'an, is a mess of contradictory statements, and the problem with it is that they are not supposed to be just any other book, but a block of truths... that contradict each other. They books made by men about what God reportedly said "word by word".

    It's the old problem of the letter and the spirit, and that's how theology and discussion about morals has been going on for centuries: you "pick-and-choose" one part of the book and forget about the rest that denies it. In the case of Islam that is accounted for as further proof of the Wisdom of the Almighty: but that looks at the real mystery in the religion credo. It's true that they are both hard books exposing a bigger problem than the squaring of the circle.

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    well, I've enjoyed giggling at some silly pictures in this thread. While I am a christian I can see the funny side, but being a public arena I expected there to be drama.

    This thread needs more fuzzy kittehs though.




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    "There’s death on the horizon,

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    ^^ someone gets it, and this is not a spiderman thread now, but a kitteh thread.



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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    what's depressing? the chart or the fact that people are using it to imply the ridiculous belief that Christianity caused the dark ages?

    (which, obviously, ignores the fact that the idea of the "dark ages" itself is just a myth)
    I think there is some legitimate dispute as to what extent Christianity played in the dark ages, however the idea is not a myth.

    Most modern historians no longer refer to it with that term, as it is a bit simplistic, but the basic idea that the level of advancement civilization saw in ancient Rome seriously regressed over the next several centuries is completely accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotatlboi View Post
    I think there is some legitimate dispute as to what extent Christianity played in the dark ages, however the idea is not a myth.

    Most modern historians no longer refer to it with that term, as it is a bit simplistic, but the basic idea that the level of advancement civilization saw in ancient Rome seriously regressed over the next several centuries is completely accurate.
    After the collapse of the political system of the Ancient West (i.e. the Roman Empire: the Neoroman empire of Constantinople was as Roman Empire as Charlemagne's or Zarist Russia), there was nothing left but the Church, that had already been parasiting the Empire, but that was as clueless as it was helpless to take over, and since it had also opposed everything in the old system, science and healthy habits of every kind included, (just like young punks oppose systematically everything coming from old from their elder ones), all that the Church had left was the pompous, airy sayings of the sort "be patient and endure everything in the name of...", just like the leaders of communist Russia asked their people to follow the communist "vows" of labor and poverty while they looted the whole country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belamo View Post
    Kul, the Bible, like the Qur'an, is a mess of contradictory statements, and the problem with it is that they are not supposed to be just any other book, but a block of truths... that contradict each other. They books made by men about what God reportedly said "word by word".

    It's the old problem of the letter and the spirit, and that's how theology and discussion about morals has been going on for centuries: you "pick-and-choose" one part of the book and forget about the rest that denies it. In the case of Islam that is accounted for as further proof of the Wisdom of the Almighty: but that looks at the real mystery in the religion credo. It's true that they are both hard books exposing a bigger problem than the squaring of the circle.
    If that makes you feel better to believe it, go ahead, but those items aren't true.

    Anyone who picks and chooses isn't doing theology. That's one reason I will have little to do with churches where the preacher/pastor/priest decides what to preach on every Sunday; give me the ones with systems for reading and preaching the whole Bible (except maybe the 'begats', which don't tell anyone much of anything), whether it's a one-, two-, or three-year system (three gives better coverage with shorter readings to work with).

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisw87 View Post
    well, I've enjoyed giggling at some silly pictures in this thread. While I am a christian I can see the funny side, but being a public arena I expected there to be drama.

    This thread needs more fuzzy kittehs though.


    The label's not quite right. "Jesus cat rules physics", or "Physics obeys Jesus cat" would be better.

    But where are the nearly-drowning twelve disciple cats?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    If that makes you feel better to believe it, go ahead, but those items aren't true.
    If repeating that makes you feel better, you are free to believe for the sake of your own peace if mind, but you know that what you say is simply not true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Anyone who picks and chooses isn't doing theology. That's one reason I will have little to do with churches where the preacher/pastor/priest decides what to preach on every Sunday; give me the ones with systems for reading and preaching the whole Bible (except maybe the 'begats', which don't tell anyone much of anything), whether it's a one-, two-, or three-year system (three gives better coverage with shorter readings to work with).
    What has religion got to do with theology. No, seriously: theology is about discussion, religion is about prevalence (like with cancer) in the name of absolute indisputable truth; that's why Liberation theology and the like are considered filthy dissidents and heresies.
    Religion is organized and vertical: it's not about people's feelings or the search of truth, is about the spreading of and commitment to, by the force if necessary, of an ideology leaded by a few to cynically parasite people's minds and bodies as much people as possible.

    If you want to read the "whole Bible", you just need to learn Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belamo View Post
    After the collapse of the political system of the Ancient West (i.e. the Roman Empire: the Neoroman empire of Constantinople was as Roman Empire as Charlemagne's or Zarist Russia), there was nothing left but the Church, that had already been parasiting the Empire, but that was as clueless as it was helpless to take over, and since it had also opposed everything in the old system, science and healthy habits of every kind included, (just like young punks oppose systematically everything coming from old from their elder ones), all that the Church had left was the pompous, airy sayings of the sort "be patient and endure everything in the name of...", just like the leaders of communist Russia asked their people to follow the communist "vows" of labor and poverty while they looted the whole country.
    Talk about revisionism....

    Where do you get that "the Church... had ... opposed everything in the old system, science and healthy habits of every time included"? I've taken three different courses that covered the collapse of Rome, and never ran into any indication of that.

    Not a lot of technology from Rome was lost. The problem was that the integration of that technology was lost, the application to a widespread system. The Church was instrumental in preserving a great deal of it; the problem was that they weren't interested in spreading it around or restoring it where it had been lost. The part of the Church that preserved it, and even advanced it, was the monastic arm -- but for a long time they tended to keep it, including their innovations, to themselves. Overall, the technology level only dipped briefly after Rome collapsed; what dipped was the universality of the availability of the technology. But that's historically true any time an empire collapses, of technology not directly available to individuals: what takes organization gets lost.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    THis old classic is still good:


    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by belamo View Post
    If repeating that makes you feel better, you are free to believe for the sake of your own peace if mind, but you know that what you say is simply not true.
    So you're reaffirming your clinging to falsehoods?

    Quote Originally Posted by belamo View Post
    What has religion got to do with theology. No, seriously: theology is about discussion, religion is about prevalence (like with cancer) in the name of absolute indisputable truth; that's why Liberation theology and the like are considered filthy dissidents and heresies.
    Religion is organized and vertical: it's not about people's feelings or the search of truth, is about the spreading of and commitment to, by the force if necessary, of an ideology leaded by a few to cynically parasite people's minds and bodies as much people as possible.
    No, Liberation Theology is considered heretical because it tends to start with premises other than the Bible.

    Theology is the examination of the teaching of religion. Religion with theology is claptrap.

    Quote Originally Posted by belamo View Post
    If you want to read the "whole Bible", you just need to learn Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic.
    And have you?

    That's another reason I have little to do with the kind of churches I mentioned: their idea of "using" Greek and Hebrew is to read their English, look at what some guide says the Hebrew or Greek mean, and stir that into what they were going to say anyway; I was taught that you're not using Greek and Hebrew until you're consulting contemporary sources in those languages, not just looking at the original and referring to your English translation.

    It's so much more fun that way, anyway -- there are rather profound things in those original languages that no one has ever translated and published. Though it's rather anticlimactic to take a facsimile of a recently uncovered ancient document and start working on it only to realize it's a servant's task list for the day -- insightful for daily life at the time, but disappointing.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    This is just twisted:


    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    "There’s death on the horizon,

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    More kittehness:


    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    This one shows a sad truth: Christians came in and stole the Intelligent Design concept:




    Our Intelligent Design bunch in college had people who had come to various faiths, including agnosticism and deism, because of science, and reference to holy books as authoritative was forbidden.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    I'm not sure what this is making fun of, but it's hilarious:







    House Republicans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarCrasher View Post
    Priceless!


    I got the mental image of God turning to the driver and asking, "Was that as good for you as it was for Me?"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Talk about revisionism....

    Where do you get that "the Church... had ... opposed everything in the old system, science and healthy habits of every time included"? I've taken three different courses that covered the collapse of Rome, and never ran into any indication of that.

    Not a lot of technology from Rome was lost. The problem was that the integration of that technology was lost, the application to a widespread system. The Church was instrumental in preserving a great deal of it; the problem was that they weren't interested in spreading it around or restoring it where it had been lost. The part of the Church that preserved it, and even advanced it, was the monastic arm -- but for a long time they tended to keep it, including their innovations, to themselves. Overall, the technology level only dipped briefly after Rome collapsed; what dipped was the universality of the availability of the technology. But that's historically true any time an empire collapses, of technology not directly available to individuals: what takes organization gets lost.
    "Never ran into any indication of" book burning, closing of centers of learning, demonization of anything related with the body care, like baths, or even codemnation of mere nudity? And you talk about revisionism...

    There is a myth about the Church preserving and even "advancing" learning: the church was as closed in itself as could be, taking its authoritative syllabus of fairy tales as their only guide in all the rich and challenging world that they tried to deny (as far as the bellies and even lower parts of their proud and righteous leaders allowed) and only took a couple (virtually literally a couple) of Latin authors manipulated so that they could serve the purpose of teaching rhetoric without the danger of being set as an example of pagan "values". Whatever was recovered and "advanced" came from either foregin peoples (like the Greek or Arabic-speaking world) or from those whom they considered heretics and devils. When they couldn't fight the reality of Creation any more, the "C"hurch just followed that trend and tide, as keeps doing it today, admitting and adhering what once fervently opposed in the past because not fitting in the procustean bed of the "S"criptures.

    What we understand as "technology" in society is precisely the general usage and availability of it that gives it some purpose: otherwise it is not technology, just an item of luxury or a mere oddity. Rome had been sinking from the IIIth century under its own weight (as we have the privilege of witnessing since a few decades in our own civilization), but the bully and narrow-minded intolerance of the Christian churches of the era didn't help precisely in the opposite direction, let alone in sustaining anything that might have been left after the demise.

    Some interesting data about those myths relating the transition from Late Antiquity to... what came after can be found in Ward-Perkins' The Fall of Rome and the End of Civilization: I said "data", not "brilliant book".

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    Yes, belamo. I've heard the same argument recently also. "But the church existed during the enlightenment! Therefore it was responsible for it!"

    Similarly the Politburo existed during the time of Solidarność. Surely we don't assume the politburo is responsible for that. It makes no more sense to give credit to the church for the advances of the enlightenment than it does to give credit to Louis XVI for masterminding the French Revolution.

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