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    The real puzzle here is why this young man generates so much hate.Those who think he is effeminate are plainly crazy, basing their dumb opinion on how he looked when he was 15. Name me another pop star who can actually play musical instruments, including the piano? Okay, so he's not a pedophile unlike some other pop star I could name and who never was called out on it by jealous nobodies, but who's perfect?

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    ^Who said any of us hated him?

    We merely maintain that he looks feminine--which he does. As I've said before, I think he looks like a lesbian.

    What's this about "hating him"? You put words in all our mouths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tombastep View Post
    It is your opinion that it is just "talking", which it isn't. When I talk to people I don't hear them try and carry a conversation like someone who is rapping trying to keep a certain rhythm with their voice, along with the music.
    Oh but it is just talking... perhaps chanting too.

    It doesn't really matter that you think it's terrible or not because that doesn't make it not music. And you keep bringing up Lil Wayne as a representative of the genre, which he is not. He is one artist out of many.
    Well one certain poster said Lil Wayne is pretty representative of the best that rap has to offer. I didn't say that.

    The "It's not music" comments are nothing but snobbery when it comes to people who just look down on a type of music they don't enjoy. It comes from people who probably think their musical taste is better than the person who likes said genre and/or they feel more "sophisticated" because of it.
    How is it snobbery? Maybe just talking was a harsh characterization... but perhaps chanting at most. Chanting isn't music. Adding some female vocals and rhythm isn't going to make rap itself into a music genre.

    Kulindahr, as far as reggaeton it is a music genre as a whole, and it borrows from reggae, bachata and merengue. Daddy Yankee is only one artist. There are others out there who clearly sing... and don't chant. Some others I've mentioned in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tombastep View Post
    It is your opinion that it is just "talking", which it isn't. When I talk to people I don't hear them try and carry a conversation like someone who is rapping trying to keep a certain rhythm with their voice, along with the music.



    It doesn't really matter that you think it's terrible or not because that doesn't make it not music. And you keep bringing up Lil Wayne as a representative of the genre, which he is not. He is one artist out of many.

    The "It's not music" comments are nothing but snobbery when it comes to people who just look down on a type of music they don't enjoy. It comes from people who probably think their musical taste is better than the person who likes said genre and/or they feel more "sophisticated" because of it.
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    We maintain that it IS a genre. Who said otherwise? I just don't think one could classify it as "music".

    As Kulindahr has suggested, some rap compositions do contain melody that pops in and out of the piece. One might call that music, as long as it has some tonal variation that serves as a melody. You could probably call that sort of composition a "rhapsody".

    We need a music professor to come in here to explain.

    I can't speak for others, but I admit the fact that I don't particularly like the genre. However, I have heard worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by refujiunderground View Post
    how is death metal and hardcore punk music genres and rap not when they're basically the same thing except you can actually understand what the rappers are saying? would it make a different if they sang or not? quit hating on rap.
    Yes. Singing involves the use of a range of tones that fall on the musical scale.

    That rap is not singing doesn't mean it isn't art. It's chant, a cousin of Gregorian, just more "primitive", which really means having less formal structure and less strict rules. (It has occurred to me on more than one occasion that to get some (good) rappers to do some Gregorian would ROCK!)

    To say rap isn't singing isn't hating on rap, it's being clear about distinctions in vocal art. Gregorian chant -- the ultimate example of chant in the western world -- isn't singing, either, for the most part, but it's still beautiful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Oh but it is just talking... perhaps chanting too.



    Well one certain poster said Lil Wayne is pretty representative of the best that rap has to offer. I didn't say that.



    How is it snobbery? Maybe just talking was a harsh characterization... but perhaps chanting at most. Chanting isn't music. Adding some female vocals and rhythm isn't going to make rap itself into a music genre.

    Kulindahr, as far as reggaeton it is a music genre as a whole, and it borrows from reggae, bachata and merengue. Daddy Yankee is only one artist. There are others out there who clearly sing... and don't chant. Some others I've mentioned in this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    I find it amusing to have an idea in my head, but not to have the vocabulary to describe it.
    I find it tiresome and frustrating, even agonizing -- why do you think some of my chapters take so bloody long?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by tombastep View Post
    Are people really saying that rap isn't music because they're not singing? Really? I guess instrumental bands and classical isn't a musical genre either.
    It occurs to me that one way to see rap is that instead of the voice doing the melody in the piece, it's doing percussion.

    That puts an interesting twist into this....


    BTW, can Bieber rap?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Yes. Singing involves the use of a range of tones that fall on the musical scale.

    That rap is not singing doesn't mean it isn't art. It's chant, a cousin of Gregorian, just more "primitive", which really means having less formal structure and less strict rules. (It has occurred to me on more than one occasion that to get some (good) rappers to do some Gregorian would ROCK!)

    To say rap isn't singing isn't hating on rap, it's being clear about distinctions in vocal art. Gregorian chant -- the ultimate example of chant in the western world -- isn't singing, either, for the most part, but it's still beautiful.
    Quoted for truth and for excellence.

    You explained it beautifully, Kulindahr.

    Our opinions on the matter don't have anything to do with hate or snobbery, they relate to definitions. I hope JUBbers understand this.

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    Now here is another example... of where singing makes reggaeton... this is the case for most songs and most duos/artists. Duos are popular in the genre of MUSIC. If you listen to the beat itself and the instruments itself it's very much a Caribbean beat. Steelpans are sometimes used in reggaeton too...

    Some may say Randy is singing, yet Jowell who comes in later in the song is rapping... but that's disputable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    I suppose, theoretically, one could compose a piece which includes a melody played on an instument, coupled with poetry spoken over it. I'd find it interesting to hear such a composition. Done artfully, it might work.

    Maybe you could call it a "fugue"?
    I don't know what you'd call it, but I've heard it done at a poetry recital.

    It was... intriguing.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    I see, Kulindahr.

    I hadn't read your reply when I replied to Tombastep.

    Thank you for clearing it up.
    In college choir our director made clear that certain pieces were chant, and to be referred to that way, so as not to be, shall we say, nekulturny.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
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    We maintain that it IS a genre. Who said otherwise? I just don't think one could classify it as "music".

    As Kulindahr has suggested, some rap compositions do contain melody that pops in and out of the piece. One might call that music, as long as it has some tonal variation that serves as a melody. You could probably call that sort of composition a "rhapsody".

    We need a music professor to come in here to explain.

    I can't speak for others, but I admit the fact that I don't particularly like the genre. However, I have heard worse.


    Listen to this

    1. Remove the rapping... is it music?

    2. Mix the rapping back again, is it music NO MORE?

    ... makes sense...

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    @Kulindahr:

    I've contemplated the idea of having a rapper interweave his words with a composition that contains a melody. How would you define such a composition? A fugue?

    It sure would be interesting to hear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Oh but it is just talking... perhaps chanting too.
    Please stop stating your opinion in a matter of fact way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tombastep View Post
    It is your opinion that it is just "talking", which it isn't. When I talk to people I don't hear them try and carry a conversation like someone who is rapping trying to keep a certain rhythm with their voice, along with the music.
    As far as talk, there's a type of public speaking (the name escapes me at the moment) which uses rhythm and even subtle intonation to keep the listener interested and emphasize points. I've translated some from ancient Greek, and it loses most of its impact in the translation because all the scansion is gone. In hymnody, translators try to maintain that, often at the cost of losing word meaning.

    Calling rap "talking" would be stretching it, because talking doesn't come with background support (except in some very old tribal forms/traditions). It's most certainly not talking in the conversational sense.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    @Kulindahr:

    I've contemplated the idea of having a rapper interweave his words with a composition that contains a melody. How would you define such a composition? A fugue?

    It sure would be interesting to hear.
    That's basically ALL RAP TUNES...
    The rapping INTERACTS with the soundtrack, in terms of rythm, pitch, musical effects (repetitions, emphasises, pauses...)..

    Rapping accapella = poetry, chanting
    Rap over soundtrack = music

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nishin View Post


    Listen to this

    1. Remove the rapping... is it music?

    2. Mix the rapping back again, is it music NO MORE?

    ... makes sense...
    Nishin, the title gives it away.

    It is a "rhapsody", mon ami.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    To say rap isn't singing isn't hating on rap, it's being clear about distinctions in vocal art. Gregorian chant -- the ultimate example of chant in the western world -- isn't singing, either, for the most part, but it's still beautiful.
    But saying it isn't music is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nishin View Post
    That's basically ALL RAP TUNES...
    The rapping INTERACTS with the soundtrack, in terms of rythm, pitch, musical effects (repetitions, emphasises, pauses...)..

    Rapping accapella = poetry, chanting
    Rap over soundtrack = music
    Nishin, rap music doesn't contain a melody behind the words--it contains harmony behind the words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Kulindahr, as far as reggaeton it is a music genre as a whole, and it borrows from reggae, bachata and merengue. Daddy Yankee is only one artist. There are others out there who clearly sing... and don't chant. Some others I've mentioned in this thread.
    Of course. My point was that a given number can utilize forms from other genres without being any of those. So while that piece uses rap briefly, it isn't rap.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    Nishin, rap music doesn't contain a melody behind the words--it contains harmony behind the words.
    I would think this is subjective.

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    ^Tomba, Kulindahr explains these things a lot better than I can. lol
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    Mostly, though, harmony supports, while melody leads.

    Rap doesn't contain a melody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    Nishin, the title gives it away.

    It is a "rhapsody", mon ami.
    This piece is no different from most other rap tunes
    Can you answer the questions I asked (1 and 2)?


    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    Nishin, rap music doesn't contain a melody behind the words--it contains harmony behind the words.
    Many percussion tracks don't have a melody... so they are not Music??

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    All right,Nishin, I ask you to look inside yourself. Ask yourself this: Do you know Beethoven's 5th Symphony? Can you hum the tune?

    The tune that you hum is the melody. For the most part, horns play the melody, but at times, other instruments pick it up. What goes on BEHIND the melody supports it, and is called harmony.

    Who goes around humming harmony? Not very many people.

    Rap compositions do not contain a melody. Very few music professors would call it music.

    Now, I'm going to listen to that rhapsody you gave me. I won't do this usually, because I don't like the genre very much, but I'll do it for you. Then, I'll see if I can answer your question...

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    Nishin, there is a part of a melody behind it that I find beautiful, but the rapping sucks. (sorry)

    You know what this all reminds me of? Somebody who keeps talking during a movie. You just want to say,"Will you please be quiet and watch the movie?"

    In this particular piece, I would very much have liked to hear the melody expanded into a full-length song. I find the female-artist's voice beautiful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorzEdge88 View Post
    Man, these endless music "discussions" between Giancarlo and refuji about the same topics, which never lead anywhere, sure are interesting!
    Indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    All right,Nishin, I ask you to look inside yourself. Ask yourself this: Do you know Beethoven's 5th Symphony? Can you hum the tune?

    The tune that you hum is the melody. For the most part, horns play the melody, but at times, other instruments pick it up. What goes on BEHIND the melody supports it, and is called harmony.

    Who goes around humming harmony? Not very many people.

    Rap compositions do not contain a melody. Very few music professors would call it music.

    Now, I'm going to listen to that rhapsody you gave me. I won't do this usually, because I don't like the genre very much, but I'll do it for you. Then, I'll see if I can answer your question...
    I do not dispute the fact that the rapping part (the voice rapping) doesn't have a melody... I don't think anybody does...
    (but with this said, I don't think Music is defined by the existence of a melodic line or not, that's a different discussion on its own)

    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    Nishin, there is a part of a melody behind it that I find beautiful, but the rapping sucks. (sorry)

    You know what this all reminds me of? Somebody who keeps talking during a movie. You just want to say,"Will you please be quiet and watch the movie?"

    In this particular piece, I would very much have liked to hear the melody expanded into a full-length song. I find the female-artist's voice beautiful.
    Here you go :


    So your answer to question 1 is YES, but what is your answer to question 2?

    I'm trying to understand why you obsess on the lack of melody in the rapping when we're discussing the fact that RAP, as a genre (ie as a whole piece, thus including the soundtrack behind it, the scratching that can be used as an instrument etc, not just the rapping (voice)) is music...

    What I mean is that any RAP track has a soundtrack behind it, mostly samples from other songs, sometimes original compositions... (you said, to support it, which is true, but sometimes not only that), that's enough to label it Music. I can very well hum a melody from some RAP tunes and anybody will recognize where it's from...

    I'm thinking you're only considering the rapping part, not the whole thing...

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    I think the internet is making stars of talentless entertainers. If it hadn't been for YouTube, Justin would still be a nobody, known only to a small number of people in Ontario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nishin View Post
    (but with this said, I don't think Music is defined by the existence of a melodic line or not, that's a different discussion on its own)



    ..
    Nishin, we have already discussed this point:

    Music is defined by the existence of a melodic line or not, that's a different discussion on its own)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    To be technical, rap is a form of chant:

    Chant (from French chanter[1]) is the rhythmic speaking or singing of words or sounds, often primarily on one or two pitches called reciting tones.

    (Wiki)


    As chant, there is a fair amount of rap that is good stuff. At the high end, chant overlaps singing -- e.g. some of the complex Gregorian multitones -- but rap is at the simpler end, and the "tones" involved aren't musical per se, but more like the tonal properties of some languages.

    One instrument I've always thought would go well with rap is the didgeridoo, which can be viewed as chant without words.
    So no, Nishin, I can't honestly classify your rap piece as music.
    I'd call it a genre; I think I could probably feel comfortable enough to call it "disjointed music", too.

    But I can't honestly call it music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    @Kulindahr:

    I've contemplated the idea of having a rapper interweave his words with a composition that contains a melody. How would you define such a composition? A fugue?

    It sure would be interesting to hear.
    I think calling it a fugue would stretch the meaning of the term, but I can't think of a better term.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    Nishin, rap music doesn't contain a melody behind the words--it contains harmony behind the words.
    Well put. Melody by definition is the element of focus in a piece of music. In rap, the "word line" is the melody.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    Nishin, rap music doesn't contain a melody behind the words--it contains harmony behind the words.
    That's exactly the difference between reggaeton and rap. Reggaeton has a melody and words are formed around it... again with a strong Caribbean influence. Even when reggaeton is done live the words flow with the melody.



    Another musician with a wide vocal range... and this is singing... the melody precedes the vocals and makes the song.

    Rap is not music... it's chanting. This is not meant to be offensive. I don't like rap. But... there was one rap duo I used to like that came from California... New Boyz... they had that one song that could never get out of your head... but that's still not music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nishin View Post
    Many percussion tracks don't have a melody... so they are not Music??
    This is really stretching my knowledge....

    Technically, a melody has tones, not just beat. A pure percussion instrument -- single tone -- be definition has no melody in a musical sense. Tonal percussion instruments can in fact have simple melody.

    That said, there's such a thing as amelodic music, where no one strain, no one string of notes, stands out or dominates. The focus is on the harmony, so what dominates is chords rather than single notes in succession.

    Hence, most percussion tracks fall into the category of amelodic music, though the focus isn't tones perse but the beat and interplay of beats.

    By extension, then, rap is music -- amelodic to be certain, not singing to be certain, but music nevertheless.


    On the side, as an exploration of music rap is a wonderful experiment. It takes dominance from musical melody and thus ceases to be song, but picks up instead a percussion function by bringing beat and rhythm to the fore. In vocal music, there are voice, harmony, and percussion, and we normally associate melody and voice. Rap, however, has associated percussion with voice, which is both new as well as a throwback to the time of drums and storytelling by those who memorized the tribe's lore.

    BTW, one of the best bits of rap I've ever heard (and likely ever shall) had no instruments for support/accompaniment, but a choir. I wish I could find it online, because it was absolutely astounding.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    he's kind of hot in that twinky kind of douchey way. I would let him fuck me lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    Nishin, we have already discussed this point:

    Music is defined by the existence of a melodic line or not, that's a different discussion on its own)

    See below:

    So no, Nishin, I can't honestly classify your rap piece as music.
    I'd call it a genre; I think I could probably feel comfortable enough to call it "disjointed music", too.

    But I can't honestly call it music.
    Well I certainly do not wish to stretch the topic any longer than necessary... which I am with this post, but really I'll just let it go...

    In regards to post#154, it just makes no sense at all that case 1 would be music while case 2 would not just because another melody-lacking-instrument (rapping voice) is added... would replacing rapping voice with a drumstick make it back to being labelled music?

    Anyway, I suspect the questions (actually) remained unanswered (in the sequence) because it would make the lack of logic behind appreciation of the topic at hand too apparent...

    We're obviously not talking about the same thing, I consider the rapping part (voice) only an ingredient to the whole tune (the latter being what I call music), when the two of you (you and Kuli in his analyze of rap(ing) as chants) concentrate on only the rapping voice to define if it's music or not (dismissing the larger picture)...

    Who the hell listens to bare acapella rap without any music behind?
    I don't think anybody does...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    Nishin, there is a part of a melody behind it that I find beautiful, but the rapping sucks. (sorry)

    You know what this all reminds me of? Somebody who keeps talking during a movie. You just want to say,"Will you please be quiet and watch the movie?"

    In this particular piece, I would very much have liked to hear the melody expanded into a full-length song. I find the female-artist's voice beautiful.
    I find the effort there somewhat insulting to the original composer of that melody.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohannBessler View Post
    Nishin, we have already discussed this point:

    Music is defined by the existence of a melodic line or not, that's a different discussion on its own)

    See below:








    So no, Nishin, I can't honestly classify your rap piece as music.
    I'd call it a genre; I think I could probably feel comfortable enough to call it "disjointed music", too.

    But I can't honestly call it music.
    Would you call it chant supported by music? That's really your only other choice that I see.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by penayforay View Post
    he's kind of hot in that twinky kind of douchey way. I would let him fuck me lol
    Maybe once he actually looks old enough to go to a bar -- say, in another fifteen years.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Attachment 899289a few more from the AMAs
    I can't tell, is he actually grabbing his dick in this one?

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    OMG I just noticed that! I'm going to go with his dick because it makes it that much hotter. Haha.

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    LMAO that whole discussion of Justin Bieber made me laugh a bit...



    These guys have a sense of humor... this is a song by relatively new duo Kario & Yaret... featuring Galante... if you go to about 2:12 you can see they are making fun of Justin Bieber using one of his dolls... so inappropriate lol. And yes I believe that is Justin Bieber.

    Also notice in this song the melody controls the entire song and not the lyrics. While Kario may be rapping some may argue, it's a song controlled by a rather interesting melody.

    This genre is definitely not dead... there just seems to be all sorts of new artists emerging... but lol @ at the dolls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Maybe once he actually looks old enough to go to a bar -- say, in another fifteen years.
    Is he going to go to the Blue Oyster?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nishin View Post
    Anyway, I suspect the questions (actually) remained unanswered (in the sequence) because it would make the lack of logic behind appreciation of the topic at hand too apparen
    I don't think anybody does...
    I thought I answered the question, Nishin.

    I see the selection as "disjointed music". Or what Kulindahr said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiancarloC View Post
    Rap is not music... it's chanting. This is not meant to be offensive.
    But it's meant to be dismissive. It's meant to keep rap as separate and distinct from everything else. And, if I may be so bold, BELOW everything else. Two people compared the vocal stylings to dogs growling and a burping contest lol. And I think it's telling that of the people who keep holding up the dictionary definition of "music", none of them apparently like rap at all.

    I maintain that music evolves by pushing against restraints. And I believe that rap proved that melody wasn't necessary to be music. You may cling to your dictionary definition, but to me, that simply makes you closed-minded. I don't "get" plenty of genres, but I don't exclude them from the music club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EuroSoccer View Post
    He still needs to beef up a bit, he is still too thin.
    But he has a pretty/naughty face.
    He could became a real stud in 2/3 years.
    i think there is absolutely no reason for him to beef up any further.

    His current body is just great, i think much more muscle don't fit him, he ist still a "boy"

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    I don't like Rap. I never have. But I don't like it even more when the Rapper makes no attempt whatsoever to keep tempo with the music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spasssalzburg View Post
    His current body is just great, i think much more muscle don't fit him, he ist still a "boy"
    Muscles don't fit him because he's a boy? Ehem...


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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Lexington View Post
    But it's meant to be dismissive. It's meant to keep rap as separate and distinct from everything else. And, if I may be so bold, BELOW everything else. Two people compared the vocal stylings to dogs growling and a burping contest lol. And I think it's telling that of the people who keep holding up the dictionary definition of "music", none of them apparently like rap at all.

    I maintain that music evolves by pushing against restraints. And I believe that rap proved that melody wasn't necessary to be music. You may cling to your dictionary definition, but to me, that simply makes you closed-minded. I don't "get" plenty of genres, but I don't exclude them from the music club.

    Lex
    Maybe it's both, Lex.

    I admit that I don't like rap. Like I said, it reminds me of being at the movies, and the guy in front of you won't stop talking. You just want to tell him to "knock off the chit-chat and watch the movie."

    On the other hand, whether i like it or not, I genuinely believe that rap doesn't fit the definition of "music". You don't have to listen to me--you could ask a music professor.

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