The Walking Dead [merged]

[MercuryJones]

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and since Shane was so badass, why didn't she shoot the little girl. I think it was something significant to having Rick do it, just not sure what

I think the point was that Shane is willing to take bold action when it's easy because it's emotionally satisfying, but Rick is the one willing to step up and take the painful choices on himself.

Consider Shane's impulsive act of aiming him gun at Rick because Shane wanted Lori. In addition to being a creepy-ass thing to do, it was stupid from a survival perspective, because Rick added one more strong member to the "tribe", and one with really valuable skills. But Shane considered shooting him in the head so Shane could get laid.

And then consider Rick's response to learning that Shane was sleeping with Lori - although his full reaction is yet to be seen, can you see Rick considering taking Shane out like a sniper? I can't. Because Rick is always going to try to navigate the difficult issues.

 

[DigitalFudge]

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No no, honey.

She was turned somewhere out while in hiding. Otis found her and "wrangled" her back to the barn. That's why the group never knew she was in that barn the whole time. With Otis dead, nobody knew.

So in other words I am 80% right.

I still find it hard to believe Herschel being the P-I-M-P on the farm didn't know about it.

 

[Stoowii]

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Shane thinks Hershel knew.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuHF1AO0nKY[/ame]

 

[Stoowii]

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^Yes @ Maggie slapping Shane!

 

[Jacquemar]

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OMG I've LOVED this series! I thought my friend and I were the only gays on the planet that loved it!

Anyone who finds shirtless pics of some of the hot guys, please post!

 

[MercuryJones]

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I just found it odd that he was terrorizing Lori for thinking of aborting the child for perfectly understandable, well-thought out reasons but was super tolerant of her going off and sleeping with his best friend 2 seconds after they'd left him for dead.

Perhaps Rick feels indebted to Shane for saving his kid's life (& protecting his family while he was in the hospital) so he's holding back for now but at some point he needs to stand up to Shane.

I think Rick knew about Shane, and had processed some of it already. In addition, Lori thought he was dead - as far as Rick knows, neither Rick nor Lori did anything wrong.

But his rant at Lori was about her not sharing the information with him, which is arguably wrong.

So not-wrong action vs wrong action.

 

[mike1491]

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My take on his reaction is that he realizes in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, there are more pressing issues.

Here are some questions I have. How many bites does it take before a zombie will stop eating? For Sophia it was one unless she ran away after being bitten. Do zombies eat until the victim is dead and lifeless?

I didn't see season one. Was the outbreak ever explained and why were all those people dead on the highway?

You're not very familiar with zombies are you??

To answer your questions, a zombie NEVER stops eating. That's pretty much the only basic instinct they have is to feed. If the victim can't run away then a zombie will definitely eat until the victim is dead.

And no, the outbreak was never explained. The zombie apocalypse just happened out of nowhere. It's actually been done before in a couple of zombie movies (I've watched pretty much every one of them I can find).

 

[MercuryJones]

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But that's the basis of my question. Once the heart stops beating does the zombie stop eating?

You say it never stops but I don't think zombies eat fresh corpses do they? Isn't that why Shane had to wound Otis and not kill him outright or why the chickens had to be thrown into the barn alive??? Or maybe it has to do with movement only, which is how Rick was able to survive in the hospital in a coma??? Hmmm, then again Daryl was knocked out and a zombie started gnawing on his foot.

I'm so confused.

I believe the zombies will eat a fresh kill until its devoured, if not prevented from doing so.

Rick seemed to have survived by luck as much as anything else, probably because the walkers just didn't make it into his room, and there was no noise to draw their attention.

 

[Stoowii]

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But that's the basis of my question. Once the heart stops beating does the zombie stop eating?

You say it never stops but I don't think zombies eat fresh corpses do they? Isn't that why Shane had to wound Otis and not kill him outright or why the chickens had to be thrown into the barn alive??? Or maybe it has to do with movement only, which is how Rick was able to survive in the hospital in a coma??? Hmmm, then again Daryl was knocked out and a zombie started gnawing on his foot.

I'm so confused.

Hmm, that's a good point. But my reasoning is that zombies do in fact want their meat fresh. Not a preference, otherwise you would see them eating dead corpses and then what? Do they stop eating them once they come back as zombies? The general rule of thumb is that they don't attack one another.

Think of it this way; Lions want fresh meat. They're not scavengers. That's a vultures job. Lions want fresh meat.

 

[MercuryJones]

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Okay, what about the guy who hanged himself in the tree and walkers came along and ate his feet and legs turning him into a walker? Do we assume he botched his hanging and he was still alive? Possible but not likely.

They may have eaten his feet soon after he hanged himself while he was still relatively fresh.

My take is that they'll eat human meat up until it becomes a walker - living is best, recently deceased will do.

Here's what I wonder about, in both the comic book and the series: The reluctance of people to take out their loved ones who have become walkers. They always seem to approach the recently "converted" as if their loved one is still in there.

I'd like to see at least a couple of people treat the conversion as if their loved one's body is being defiled by being a walker, and gladly end it.

 

[Stoowii]

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Okay, what about the guy who hanged himself in the tree and walkers came along and ate his feet and legs turning him into a walker? Do we assume he botched his hanging and he was still alive? Possible but not likely.

They may have eaten his feet soon after he hanged himself while he was still relatively fresh.

My take is that they'll eat human meat up until it becomes a walker - living is best, recently deceased will do.

There you go. Perfect.

The dude wanted to end it himself, but walkers ate his feet when he was dying/recently died.

This damn show. I have too many questions for them to take a hiatus until February!!!!

XD I feel the same way.

 

[mike1491]

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They may have eaten his feet soon after he hanged himself while he was still relatively fresh.

My take is that they'll eat human meat up until it becomes a walker - living is best, recently deceased will do.

Here's what I wonder about, in both the comic book and the series: The reluctance of people to take out their loved ones who have become walkers. They always seem to approach the recently "converted" as if their loved one is still in there.

I'd like to see at least a couple of people treat the conversion as if their loved one's body is being defiled by being a walker, and gladly end it.

Well you have to understand that it's their LOVED ONES. When you love someone of course it's not gonna be easy to put a bullet into their head. Naturally they wanna believe that it's still the person they knew even though it isn't. If you saw a family member of yours walking towards you as a zombie, you would be at least a little bit hesitant to kill them.

 

[Stoowii]

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Well you have to understand that it's their LOVED ONES. When you love someone of course it's not gonna be easy to put a bullet into their head. Naturally they wanna believe that it's still the person they knew even though it isn't. If you saw a family member of yours walking towards you as a zombie, you would be at least a little bit hesitant to kill them.

Unless you were Shane. XP

 

[mike1491]

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^^ Shane would hesitate at least a little bit for someone he cared about, just not a complete stranger. He wasn't even the one who pulled the trigger when the little girl walked out of that barn.

 

[AlmondMilk]

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and since Shane was so badass, why didn't she shoot the little girl. I think it was something significant to having Rick do it, just not sure what.

I think the point was that Shane is willing to take bold action when it's easy because it's emotionally satisfying, but Rick is the one willing to step up and take the painful choices on himself.

I somewhat agree with MercuryJones, but I think the scene best supports your argument when you refer to the first episode of the second season where Rick tells Sophia to head back to the group. Because he didn't tell her to just stay put and hide real well, her venturing off by herself was thought to be Rick's fault. And he could've killed Sophia, as a walker, by taking that responsibility of endangering her life. or something.

 

[Skyrim]

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Okay, what about the guy who hanged himself in the tree and walkers came along and ate his feet and legs turning him into a walker? Do we assume he botched his hanging and he was still alive? Possible but not likely.

This damn show. I have too many questions for them to take a hiatus until February!!!!

rather walker was captured and hanged.
sadly no new episodes till february.

 

[MercuryJones]

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Well you have to understand that it's their LOVED ONES. When you love someone of course it's not gonna be easy to put a bullet into their head. Naturally they wanna believe that it's still the person they knew even though it isn't. If you saw a family member of yours walking towards you as a zombie, you would be at least a little bit hesitant to kill them.

I understand it's the body of their LOVED ONES - that's why I used the term.

But they know their loved one is gone, and the body is basically their loved one's body possessed by a monster. (I don't mean literally possessed though the effect is the same.)

If my partner or sister or child died and turned into a flesh eating monster I'd have even LESS problem destroying it because my loved one's body is basically being defiled by this thing.

 

[MercuryJones]

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This damn show. I have too many questions for them to take a hiatus until February!!!!

Here's what I'm wondering: In the comic book, whenever anyone dies he or she is reanimated as a zombie. For example, if someone has a heart attack and dies, she'll rise up again as a walker.

I don't know if that's true in the TV show or not because I can't think of anyone who died without being bitten by a zombie who still had enough of a body left to reanimate.

It makes for a more dire set of circumstances, but if left up to me I'd prefer that the means of infection be a bit from a walker rather than every dead body just reanimating.

 

[AlmondMilk]

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rather walker was captured and hanged.

He left a note saying that he got bit, so he hanged himself.

But they know their loved one is gone, and the body is basically their loved one's body possessed by a monster. (I don't mean literally possessed though the effect is the same.)

Well, they don't really think that. What's-her-name who had sex with Glenn still attached names to the people in the barn. And as someone mentioned earlier Herschel believed that someone was working on a cure.

Also, I think Rick said that Herschel's farm was pretty secluded, so they might not realize how dangerous and how dead the walkers really are.

 

[mike1491]

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I understand it's the body of their LOVED ONES - that's why I used the term.

But they know their loved one is gone, and the body is basically their loved one's body possessed by a monster. (I don't mean literally possessed though the effect is the same.)

If my partner or sister or child died and turned into a flesh eating monster I'd have even LESS problem destroying it because my loved one's body is basically being defiled by this thing.

Well I'm sure the vast majority of people in the world don't view it that way. It's easy to THINK you would have no problem with it, but it's different when your actually in that situation. Hershel didn't know that his loved ones were gone, which is why he was keeping them in the barn. Even though they were a danger to him and everyone else on his land, he believed they were just "sick" and could be helped. Denial is part of the grieving process, so it's not hard to believe that someone would want to believe that a walker is still the person they love, even though deep down they know that person in gone.