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    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    I fucking hate Rick now. This might have just ruined the whole series for me.

    Carol has been my favorite character from the beginning. Oh well.
    I'm mad they didn't just go ahead and kill her off for good. How in the fuck could Carol be anyone's favorite character when in four seasons all she's brought to the table is a God damn WebMD doctorate? But y'all were happy to see Andrea go. Good damn bye.

    Having said that, this show definitely peaked in the first two seasons and hasn't given me any form of life sense. We're four episodes into this season and Rick sending Carol packing like he was Tyra Banks and she was an ANTM hopeful is literally the only thing that has happened. All the ratings in the world don't compensate for the contradictory and at times ass backward writing we've been served. I'll keep watching though because at this point I hate all of the characters and wanna see them die. (✿◠‿◠)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BFizzle View Post
    How in the fuck could Carol be anyone's favorite character when in four seasons all she's brought to the table is a God damn WebMD doctorate?
    I like victims who turn it around and stand the fuck up and take charge.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    I like victims who turn it around and stand the fuck up and take charge.....
    I don't see what that has to do with Carol.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BFizzle View Post
    I'm mad they didn't just go ahead and kill her off for good. How in the fuck could Carol be anyone's favorite character when in four seasons all she's brought to the table is a God damn WebMD doctorate? But y'all were happy to see Andrea go. Good damn bye.

    Having said that, this show definitely peaked in the first two seasons and hasn't given me any form of life sense. We're four episodes into this season and Rick sending Carol packing like he was Tyra Banks and she was an ANTM hopeful is literally the only thing that has happened. All the ratings in the world don't compensate for the contradictory and at times ass backward writing we've been served. I'll keep watching though because at this point I hate all of the characters and wanna see them die. (✿◠‿◠)
    I agree with the Carol bit but disagree with the first two seasons being the best. In my opinion, the first season was the best along with the first half of the third season. Only a few episodes of the second season were good; the rest of the season was spent looking for Sophia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BFizzle View Post
    I don't see what that has to do with Carol.

    That's OK with me if you don't....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoowii View Post
    I agree with the Carol bit but disagree with the first two seasons being the best. In my opinion, the first season was the best along with the first half of the third season. Only a few episodes of the second season were good; the rest of the season was spent looking for Sophia.
    I was more fascinated in the moral divide the Sophia search caused, though. You had people who wanted to find her, and people who thought they were better off cutting their loses, and that was interesting. Same with Andrea and Dale being the only people who didn't want to kill their hostage. That is what I liked about the show, on top of the zombies - seeing how this group of people adapted to the new world and decided what was right, wrong and necessary. Last night finally gave me a taste of that.

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    I personally believe that Rick banishing Carol was a stroke of mercy. He basically told her that the rest of the group had to know. Which meant Tyreese would have killed her. Banishing her may not seem like a good option, but it may have been the best.

    And I don't think she'll die. I think she'll be back. It's questionable when, but I have to assume it will be after all of Tyreese's instability is gone.

    What I'm most worried about is how Daryl will react... Remembering that scene with Beth and him earlier.. I think he won't do anything. Besides, he's got Michonne wrapped around his pinky now.
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    Fuck Rick, lol. I was so mad at the end of the show I was hoping a walker ran out in front of him and he wrecked. He could have just kept his mouth shut and that's that. He could have told Carol that she better not kill anyone else, no matter what. And who's to say Tyrese was going to kill Carol, remember she knows Rick would tell, all she had to do was keep her gun on her because you Tyrese wants to put his hands on her so when he showed up talking loud, I would have to capped his ass, body #3. I still think Tyrese is going to attack Rick again for not letting him have his revenge on Carol and basically making the call himself. I hope Carol beats Rick back and she can get Hershal on her side. I also think this will cause some tension between him and Darryl. I bet Darryl goes looking for her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justdra View Post
    Fuck Rick, lol. He could have told Carol that she better not kill anyone else, no matter what. And who's to say Tyrese was going to kill Carol, remember she knows Rick would tell, all she had to do was keep her gun on her because you Tyrese wants to put his hands on her so when he showed up talking loud, I would have to capped his ass, body #3. I still think Tyrese is going to attack Rick again for not letting him have his revenge on Carol and basically making the call himself. I hope Carol beats Rick back and she can get Hershal on her side. I also think this will cause some tension between him and Darryl. I bet Darryl goes looking for her.
    Wow you must not be watching the same show as I. Hersel the one legged man risk his life to go out and pick stupid ass elderberries so he can soothe the sick, easy walker pickens outside of the fence.
    Hershel is in the fucking quarantine area giving the dying tea and getting blood spit all over him from those that will soon be walkers. Hershel holds a lot of weight and he is risking his life to keep those sick alive. How in the world do you think he would agree ever, EVER agree with Carol killing 2 sick living souls????
    Tyrese gives not a fuck about life or death he is on the brink of suicidal and he will rip Carol a new asshole when he finds out she is a murder of his Lady. He has nothing to lose.
    Rick gave her a break. She'll be back riding with the Guv'nr. She is no hero but a survivor and heartless cunt, as it has to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justanothershyguy View Post
    I personally believe that Rick banishing Carol was a stroke of mercy.
    She murdered two innocent people in cold blood. She gave up her humanity in exchange for her idea of survival. Plus she practically fed the two innocent hippie strangers to the walkers without giving it a second thought. Rick could have put his foot down, but again his indecision winded up sealing their fate.

    Carol was too far gone. She had to go.

    But none of that changes the fact that Rick is still a dick.

    Just a few episodes ago he was going to give up innocent stranger Michonne to the governor to save his own skin. He didn't think twice. Not only that, but he lied to the group to get away with it. He was counting on the fear created by his lie to override any hesitation they may or may not have had in sacrificing an innocent stranger. He even admitted the truth about his little scheme to Hershel. Hershel was perfectly fine with it. Etc., etc. Plot, plot, plot.

    Of course, it didn’t all go to plan, but what does that make them? I suppose all people do eventually change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Native Son View Post
    She murdered two innocent people in cold blood. She gave up her humanity in exchange for her idea of survival. Plus she practically fed the two innocent hippie strangers to the walkers without giving it a second thought. Rick could have put his foot down, but again his indecision winded up sealing their fate.
    She only killed two people who she believed were about to die anyway. Carol said herself that she was putting them out of their misery, which may or may not have actually been the case but that's where she was coming from. She might even have saved a few lives afterall. Who knows?

    I don't think those two hippies dying is either her or Rick's responsibility really. To be blunt, it was their own fault for being stupid enough to somehow get eaten on what was a very low-risk job, and I found it kind of strange that there was even a debate on whether or not they should let the new people help out (as if they have final say on what another person can or can't do...)

    I get what they were trying to do with Carol in this episode though, like when the other guy didn't show up and she seemed more concerned with Rick losing his watch :\

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midgar View Post
    I don't think those two hippies dying is either her or Rick's responsibility really.
    You really think so?
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    I don't see how? They were both grown adults and they offered to help, they weren't forced. They were even given a weapon. All they had to do was not run towards a pack of walkers. Rick's own kid has been in much worse situations and managed just fine.

    But like I said before I didn't really get why Rick and Carol were treating them like two helpless children who weren't allowed to think for themselves :\ Other characters join in and help out as they please, but these two were handled really weirdly to create a dramatic moment afterward.

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    I bet Carol comes back whenever they bring The Governor comes back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midgar View Post
    But like I said before I didn't really get why Rick and Carol were treating them like two helpless children who weren't allowed to think for themselves :\ Other characters join in and help out as they please, but these two were handled really weirdly to create a dramatic moment afterward.
    That's the show we're watching.

    Let me ask you this: Would they have lived that day if they had never met Carol or Rick?

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    I have no way of knowing that because it's a TV show...
    But based on that one episode, I'm surprised that they'd even managed to survive up to that point :\

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midgar View Post
    I have no way of knowing that because it's a TV show...
    But based on that one episode, I'm surprised that they'd even managed to survive up to that point :\
    I'll answer that for you.

    They were holed up in a toilet, with fruit. They were safe.

    Who was going to come knocking? Pajama girl?

    They would have lived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Native Son View Post
    I'll answer that for you.
    I'd rather you didnt :\

    But you just said yourself that they were trapped with no way out and almost no supplies, so I don't think that really went the way you were hoping for. Anyway I'm not sure where this is going anymore... I've said all I wanted to about the episode.

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    I've said all I wanted to about the episode.
    Thank the maker, cos I had nothing left.

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    I can't wait to hear what Darryl has to say, let alone Tyrese. He may have wanted to confront her. Also Rick that loudmouth guy in the prison in cold blood. He put an ax right in his head because he thought they was a threat. I wonder if Carol will figure out a way to beat Rick back to the prison and explain herself or take the girls and run...or better yet, Rick has a change of heart and turns around. He did the same thing Carol did, he made himself judge and jury of her when he banished her. When he was all nutty and talking to his dead wife, she was seeing about his baby.

    POSSIBLE SPOILER (highlight)
    The guy who plays Rick says there is a "arc" at the mid-season featuring Carl but he wouldn't go any further. If they go off the comics, the zombies overrun the prison and everyone scatters and Rick and Carl get stranded off together and Rick gets sick and Carl has to see about him and worry about having to shoot him if he gets sick, dies and turns. He goes back and forth between being kid Carl and trying to be a "man" and do what needs to be done. But there is also a chapter where Carl gets shot in head but I think they done that when he got shot instead of the deer and instead of it being a doctor, it was a veterinarian who cared for him. Either way I can't wait to see.
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    I am so glad the governor is back...now I want him to kill the rest of them...Rick first. He should have banished himself when he killed Shane....

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    I am so glad the governor is back...now I want him to kill the rest of them...Rick first. He should have banished himself when he killed Shane....
    Lol seriously? Shane went bat-shit crazy. Shane was far more of a detriment to the group than Carol ever was.

    I don't understand why people are pissed Carol is gone. She's a cold-hearted bitch and doesn't have a major use to the group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justanothershyguy View Post
    Lol seriously? Shane went bat-shit crazy. Shane was far more of a detriment to the group than Carol ever was.

    I don't understand why people are pissed Carol is gone. She's a cold-hearted bitch and doesn't have a major use to the group.
    Then we are even,...I don't understand why y0u are not pissed. Then again...I don't care either. I just want to watched everyone die now. I am no longer sympathetic to Rick or the rest of them (except for Daryl)

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    Quote Originally Posted by justanothershyguy View Post
    Lol seriously? Shane went bat-shit crazy. Shane was far more of a detriment to the group than Carol ever was.

    I don't understand why people are pissed Carol is gone. She's a cold-hearted bitch and doesn't have a major use to the group.
    I was more annoyed at the use of lazy writing to create drama.

    I actually liked Carol and I think she was one of the more interesting characters recently, but on this show it's not really a good idea to get too attached to anyone There have been other characters who I was more bothered to see go in the past.

    The new episode was a huge improvement from last week's.

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    Well gee. I suppose we have to love the governor now. . .

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    ^not gonna happen.

    This episode was boring and bizarre. Did not like it.
    Just waiting for Michone to shove her machete through his skull.
    The popcorn will be hot and ready for that day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiff View Post
    Well gee. I suppose we have to love the governor now. . .
    Oh man...I am down for it. I fell in love with him and now I hope he meets Carol and they go to the prison and kill Rick and the rest of them. I hate Rick's guts now...

    The writers were smart to redeem him...at least somewhat. Since they went deep into the gray area with Carol and Rick...might as well do the same with the Governor. It worked for me..I bought it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    The writers were smart to redeem him... It worked for me..I bought it.
    We all did. Hook, line, and sinker. And then last night's episode happened. The writers are seriously screwing with us this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiff View Post
    We all did. Hook, line, and sinker. And then last night's episode happened. The writers are seriously screwing with us this season.
    I always wonder if the writers know where they are going.....I hope for the best but expect the worst. I love it when they surprise me. Six Feet Under and Carnivale both had some of the best writers on the planet. Maybe some of them are free?

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    I'd been looking forward to this week's Walking Dead until I remembered that it was another Governor episode. Now sitting through last week's snooze-fest seems almost like wasted time, and from next week's promo it looks like we're right back to exactly where we were during the middle of last season.

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    Best thing to come from the return of the governor.


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    ^^^
    Would have been better if the video ended with the part where Gov hits Martinez on the head with the golf club and feeds him to the pit of ravaging zombies head first.

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    I'm scared to death that Daryl's gonna die in the midseason finale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justanothershyguy View Post
    I'm scared to death that Daryl's gonna die in the midseason finale.
    What makes you think that they will kill Daryl?
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    Quote Originally Posted by desertboi View Post
    What makes you think that they will kill Daryl?
    Well. He's basically considered Rick's right hand man at this point. Daryls not actually in the comic, so it would be really easy to get rid of him at this point. However, he's a HUGE fan favorite. Writers would be committing Zombie suicide if they got rid of him. And they're bringing on a guy (Sgt. Abraham Ford) who is considered his right-hand man for a time in the comics.

    And besides, they've done a bit with Tyreese this season- I feel like he could be on the fence in this episode. Lots of character growth left, but definitely has that leadership material... Who knows!

    The Talking Dead is going to have Maggie on it... and another surprise member. So... Better not be Glen either!

    The ones I'll be most upset about - Daryl, Maggie, Glen, Michonne...

    I think the show would lose something without Rick/Carl (that's kind of who the comic is based after)... but I think there are other people who could take over.
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    My guess is that Daryl stays. I can see Glen (and maybe Maggie) being killed off though. The core of Rick, Carl, Michonne, Daryl and Herschel will stay in tact if the writers know what they are doing.
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    omg.................

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    Dat mid-season finale.... I'm weak!

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    Gosh. That was more like a season finale rather than midseason.

    Spoiler:
    They took some cues from the comic (Gov killing Herschel, and the baby). Just shocking it all happened in one scene.

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    I need a therapist after that! Damn!!! What a midfinale!

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    Quote Originally Posted by desertboi View Post
    My guess is that Daryl stays. I can see Glen (and maybe Maggie) being killed off though. The core of Rick, Carl, Michonne, Daryl and Herschel will stay in tact if the writers know what they are doing.


    Well in the comics, Glen does die and Maggie is still alive.

    I started to read the comics after caving in, on number 25. Very different.

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    My Honey and I enjoyed every second of the last 15 minutes.I just wished Hershels head had fallen off in one swipe.

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    I was so glad to see the Governor die. I almost cheered when Michonne ran him through with her sword. I think he was a bit of a let-down as a villain as I didn't find him all that threatening, just incredibly annoying.

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    I'm mad they didn't just go ahead and kill her off for good. How in the fuck could Carol be anyone's favorite character when in four seasons all she's brought to the table is a God damn WebMD doctorate? But y'all were happy to see Andrea go. Good damn bye.

    Having said that, this show definitely peaked in the first two seasons and hasn't given me any form of life sense. We're four episodes into this season and Rick sending Carol packing like he was Tyra Banks and she was an ANTM hopeful is literally the only thing that has happened. All the ratings in the world don't compensate for the contradictory and at times ass backward writing we've been served. I'll keep watching though because at this point I hate all of the characters and wanna see them die. (✿◠‿◠)
    it peaked in the first 2 seasons really lol

    season 2 was the worst. season 3 was better but andrea WAS awful, and so was their whole 'lets just kill off any character the viewers dont like instead of fixing shit' mantra.

    season 4 so far is turning out to be the best. it has a strong central theme, it uses every character meaningfully, it's not being cheap anymore, no one is maddeningly stupid or annoying, its just all around a much better written show now

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    In a way, I was a little disappointed with how the TV series ran the Governor's death.

    He had a hand in far more of the group's deaths in the comics than in the TV series (Which I suppose is fine), but now, going into the second half of season four, there's no major human villain.

    My thoughts:
    The group is in an incredible amount of disarray. We know that Carl and Rick are alone and leaving the prison for good. The bus took a group of survivors away (all randoms? Glen on board?). Maggie, Beth, Sasha and Bob were in a small group. Tyreese and the little girls. And Daryl had to find one of those. And god knows where Michonne ran off to after stabbing the Gov'nah.

    There's gotta be alot going on. On the talking dead, they showed Carl luring two walkers down the street. Kirkman said that was about the only thing they could show that didn't spoil anything. Which means to me that other survivors had to make it in some way, they just don't want us to know.

    Reminds me alot of how crazy the ending of season two was- when they were leaving the farmhouse. Hopefully they all had a rendezvous point.
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    To be honest how are every single on of you not absolutely dying over those two little girls and their head-shots? I screamed out loud.

    Quote Originally Posted by justanothershyguy View Post
    The group is in an incredible amount of disarray. We know that Carl and Rick are alone and leaving the prison for good. The bus took a group of survivors away (all randoms? Glen on board?). Maggie, Beth, Sasha and Bob were in a small group. Tyreese and the little girls. And Daryl had to find one of those. And god knows where Michonne ran off to after stabbing the Gov'nah.
    Beth and Daryl were actually together when everyone got separated. I remember at the start of this season, after their moment when he informed her that her boyfriend died, someone on The Talking Dead said that scene was foreshadowing of more to come between the two of them (not necessarily romantically). I'm expecting the groups to still be split up when we return, with Daryl teaching Beth how to slay.

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    I'm of the view that the council had set up some advance rendezvous location as evidence by the bus and rations on the bus in case quick escape was needed. Maybe with a meeting point with a time limit on it so that anyone that doesn't make it by a certain time realizes its no longer any good. Then everyone for themselves.
    It wouldn't make any sense for even the most stupid humans still alive not to have a plan B in a dire situation such as they are in from the living, the dead, and everything else failing on earths civilized society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vulgar_newcomer View Post
    I'm of the view that the council had set up some advance rendezvous location as evidence by the bus and rations on the bus in case quick escape was needed.
    I hope not. Them being separated is the most interesting thing to happen this season. I'd rather see everyone develop in their small groups for the rest of the season and slowly find their way back to each other.

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    I needed someone to die, it sounds awful but whatever , someone in the group needed to die and i am happy someone finally did. the way they kind of just kicked Carroll out pissed me off because she was just starting to get to a point where she was a likable character. i'm curious to see the kind of relationship Carl and Rick have on their own, i think emotionally Rick is ( three sheets to the wind) gone. i think Carl is going to take more of a leadership role, its become obvious that ricks pacifist approach on the situation is not going to get them far and now its time to let Carl be the bad-ass Rick knows he can be. really hoping Judith didn't get snatched up by walkers too, it would be a shit way to kill of the only remaining infant in order to make traveling possible, but i guess it makes sense to not show a dead baby on cable television. i just wish they could have confirmed the governors death, this whole not knowing kind of sucks, but if i can wait almost 6 years for a game of thrones book i can wait till January for some answers in the walking dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenseer57 View Post
    i just wish they could have confirmed the governors death, this whole not knowing kind of sucks, but if i can wait almost 6 years for a game of thrones book i can wait till January for some answers in the walking dead.
    They've already show you in 4x08.

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