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Rick constantly goes back and forth between not wanting to be in charge, but then making really douchebag decisions for other people of his own accord. I think what he did to Carol was much worse than what she did. I'm not saying that she was right or not but she had good intentions and was only trying to protect people - especially the kids, so then it pissed me off when Rick went on to say she was a threat and he didn't want her around his kids. That just made him seem like a dick taking the moral high ground. Half of the show is about him making morally questionable decisions (he's killed people for less) but then anytime someone else does the same it all becomes so black and white all of a sudden.
I fucking hate Rick now. This might have just ruined the whole series for me.
Carol has been my favorite character from the beginning. Oh well.
WOW...I have been thinking...I have been so addicted to this show since Episode One and now I have no more interest in watching...just completely lost me last night. I will read the spoilers and recaps just in case I hear she will appear again.
She'll be back.
It will be interesting how the rest of the group takes this new development.
Wasn't the whole point of creating "the council" to make the more wise, informed, best decisions for the group, wasn't Carol part of the council?
I would not feel comfortable trusting Rick now.
I hope when he tells the others about what he did someone will see him for the fraud he is. Shane saw it. They should have thanked her for at least trying to do something about it and for trying to teach the kids how to protect themselves. The reason so many of them died in the first place was their refusal to understand what was happening around them...she did a great job whereas he is still struggling.
The only good thing for me was when she left she kept her dignity and showed her real strength which was 100 x more than his ever was. He is weak...and foolish...and he has failed.
Having said that, this show definitely peaked in the first two seasons and hasn't given me any form of life sense. We're four episodes into this season and Rick sending Carol packing like he was Tyra Banks and she was an ANTM hopeful is literally the only thing that has happened. All the ratings in the world don't compensate for the contradictory and at times ass backward writing we've been served. I'll keep watching though because at this point I hate all of the characters and wanna see them die. (✿◠‿◠)
I personally believe that Rick banishing Carol was a stroke of mercy. He basically told her that the rest of the group had to know. Which meant Tyreese would have killed her. Banishing her may not seem like a good option, but it may have been the best.
And I don't think she'll die. I think she'll be back. It's questionable when, but I have to assume it will be after all of Tyreese's instability is gone.
What I'm most worried about is how Daryl will react... Remembering that scene with Beth and him earlier.. I think he won't do anything. Besides, he's got Michonne wrapped around his pinky now.
Fuck Rick, lol. I was so mad at the end of the show I was hoping a walker ran out in front of him and he wrecked. He could have just kept his mouth shut and that's that. He could have told Carol that she better not kill anyone else, no matter what. And who's to say Tyrese was going to kill Carol, remember she knows Rick would tell, all she had to do was keep her gun on her because you Tyrese wants to put his hands on her so when he showed up talking loud, I would have to capped his ass, body #3. I still think Tyrese is going to attack Rick again for not letting him have his revenge on Carol and basically making the call himself. I hope Carol beats Rick back and she can get Hershal on her side. I also think this will cause some tension between him and Darryl. I bet Darryl goes looking for her.
He got that thickness, the kind that make you get up makin' biscuits with breakfast, so gone - Jill Scott - So Gone
Hershel is in the fucking quarantine area giving the dying tea and getting blood spit all over him from those that will soon be walkers. Hershel holds a lot of weight and he is risking his life to keep those sick alive. How in the world do you think he would agree ever, EVER agree with Carol killing 2 sick living souls????
Tyrese gives not a fuck about life or death he is on the brink of suicidal and he will rip Carol a new asshole when he finds out she is a murder of his Lady. He has nothing to lose.
Rick gave her a break. She'll be back riding with the Guv'nr. She is no hero but a survivor and heartless cunt, as it has to be.
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Carol was too far gone. She had to go.
But none of that changes the fact that Rick is still a dick.
Just a few episodes ago he was going to give up innocent stranger Michonne to the governor to save his own skin. He didn't think twice. Not only that, but he lied to the group to get away with it. He was counting on the fear created by his lie to override any hesitation they may or may not have had in sacrificing an innocent stranger. He even admitted the truth about his little scheme to Hershel. Hershel was perfectly fine with it. Etc., etc. Plot, plot, plot.
Of course, it didn’t all go to plan, but what does that make them? I suppose all people do eventually change.
Last edited by Native Son; November 7th, 2013 at 02:14 AM.
I don't think those two hippies dying is either her or Rick's responsibility really. To be blunt, it was their own fault for being stupid enough to somehow get eaten on what was a very low-risk job, and I found it kind of strange that there was even a debate on whether or not they should let the new people help out (as if they have final say on what another person can or can't do...)
I get what they were trying to do with Carol in this episode though, like when the other guy didn't show up and she seemed more concerned with Rick losing his watch :\
I don't see how? They were both grown adults and they offered to help, they weren't forced. They were even given a weapon. All they had to do was not run towards a pack of walkers. Rick's own kid has been in much worse situations and managed just fine.
But like I said before I didn't really get why Rick and Carol were treating them like two helpless children who weren't allowed to think for themselves :\ Other characters join in and help out as they please, but these two were handled really weirdly to create a dramatic moment afterward.
I bet Carol comes back whenever they bring The Governor comes back.
I have no way of knowing that because it's a TV show...
But based on that one episode, I'm surprised that they'd even managed to survive up to that point :\
But you just said yourself that they were trapped with no way out and almost no supplies, so I don't think that really went the way you were hoping for. Anyway I'm not sure where this is going anymore... I've said all I wanted to about the episode.
I can't wait to hear what Darryl has to say, let alone Tyrese. He may have wanted to confront her. Also Rick that loudmouth guy in the prison in cold blood. He put an ax right in his head because he thought they was a threat. I wonder if Carol will figure out a way to beat Rick back to the prison and explain herself or take the girls and run...or better yet, Rick has a change of heart and turns around. He did the same thing Carol did, he made himself judge and jury of her when he banished her. When he was all nutty and talking to his dead wife, she was seeing about his baby.
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The guy who plays Rick says there is a "arc" at the mid-season featuring Carl but he wouldn't go any further. If they go off the comics, the zombies overrun the prison and everyone scatters and Rick and Carl get stranded off together and Rick gets sick and Carl has to see about him and worry about having to shoot him if he gets sick, dies and turns. He goes back and forth between being kid Carl and trying to be a "man" and do what needs to be done. But there is also a chapter where Carl gets shot in head but I think they done that when he got shot instead of the deer and instead of it being a doctor, it was a veterinarian who cared for him. Either way I can't wait to see.
He got that thickness, the kind that make you get up makin' biscuits with breakfast, so gone - Jill Scott - So Gone
I am so glad the governor is back...now I want him to kill the rest of them...Rick first. He should have banished himself when he killed Shane....
I actually liked Carol and I think she was one of the more interesting characters recently, but on this show it's not really a good idea to get too attached to anyone There have been other characters who I was more bothered to see go in the past.
The new episode was a huge improvement from last week's.
Well gee. I suppose we have to love the governor now. . .
^not gonna happen.
This episode was boring and bizarre. Did not like it.
Just waiting for Michone to shove her machete through his skull.
The popcorn will be hot and ready for that day.
The writers were smart to redeem him...at least somewhat. Since they went deep into the gray area with Carol and Rick...might as well do the same with the Governor. It worked for me..I bought it.
I'd been looking forward to this week's Walking Dead until I remembered that it was another Governor episode. Now sitting through last week's snooze-fest seems almost like wasted time, and from next week's promo it looks like we're right back to exactly where we were during the middle of last season.
Best thing to come from the return of the governor.
Would have been better if the video ended with the part where Gov hits Martinez on the head with the golf club and feeds him to the pit of ravaging zombies head first.
I'm scared to death that Daryl's gonna die in the midseason finale.
And besides, they've done a bit with Tyreese this season- I feel like he could be on the fence in this episode. Lots of character growth left, but definitely has that leadership material... Who knows!
The Talking Dead is going to have Maggie on it... and another surprise member. So... Better not be Glen either!
The ones I'll be most upset about - Daryl, Maggie, Glen, Michonne...
I think the show would lose something without Rick/Carl (that's kind of who the comic is based after)... but I think there are other people who could take over.
My guess is that Daryl stays. I can see Glen (and maybe Maggie) being killed off though. The core of Rick, Carl, Michonne, Daryl and Herschel will stay in tact if the writers know what they are doing.
Hockey is life.
Dat mid-season finale.... I'm weak!
Gosh. That was more like a season finale rather than midseason.
They took some cues from the comic (Gov killing Herschel, and the baby). Just shocking it all happened in one scene.
I need a therapist after that! Damn!!! What a midfinale!
I was so glad to see the Governor die. I almost cheered when Michonne ran him through with her sword. I think he was a bit of a let-down as a villain as I didn't find him all that threatening, just incredibly annoying.
season 2 was the worst. season 3 was better but andrea WAS awful, and so was their whole 'lets just kill off any character the viewers dont like instead of fixing shit' mantra.
season 4 so far is turning out to be the best. it has a strong central theme, it uses every character meaningfully, it's not being cheap anymore, no one is maddeningly stupid or annoying, its just all around a much better written show now