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    Indeed Sonny,so many more teams are in it now. I think it helps keep intrest in baseball in so many areas where as last year half the teams would be out of it by now.

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    I am surpised no one is talking about the 9 men trade that the Dodgers and Soxs did.

    The Soxs had to dump all those bitchy overpaid players. Sorry, Crawford and Gonzalez got way overpaid and arent made for big market teams. The Soxs have to clean up all the mistakes that Theo did with overpaying for players. I still dont understand why these clubs overpay for these guys.

    Havent the Soxs, Phillies, Mets shown that high payroll usually doesnt end well. No offense, but Miami, Tigers, and Angels are also showing this as well. Stupid Bora and Arod. Even the Yankees are looking to shed payroll as well. Never been a fan of these 10 year contracts, i think 6 should be the max.

    I think changing clubs and leagues does good for many players. Cody Ross, Russell Martin, and Kuroda coming from the National League to the American League has done good for them. I think Looney will be fine in the American League. I think this had to happen, change of scene will be good for everyone.

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    Agree with you 100% on long term deals. They almost never work and the Yankee Dynasty was more due to the farm system and signing the right utitly guys versus the big name free agent.
    As for the Dodgers/Red Sox deal..you won't likely see one like that in a long time. The Dodgers Gonzalez so badly they took on two bad contracts just to get him.
    And as for big market teams,some players simply can't handle the harsh and unforgiving glare of NY,Philly and Boston.

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    I HATE long term deals beyond six or seven years ....and never would go beyond five after 32,33. Players deserve to be well compensated, support free agency but a club's objective isn't to play Santa Claus to the player's union. It's doing the best it can within it's market to develop a long term program for contention, ideally. Most big contracts bite you in the ass. The money the Phillies gave to Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee....now Cole Hamels? Makes no sense right now. Boston luckily gave their bad contracts to rthe Dodgers but how many clubs can just pull checks out of thin air to sign? Even the Yankees have huge decisions this winter as they swear they want to be at $189 mil max( still an extraordinary chink of change) by 2014 so they can lower dramatically their luxury tax burden(Yanks pretty much only team really impacted over the last few years with the luxury tax). They NEVER should have taken A-Rod back after he opted out. Now they got him til he's 42 for out of this world, insane money. Teixeira and CC Sabathia while they give it all are flawed players, CC more consistent but still around $25 mil he should be a no doubt about it Cy Young contender but shaky conditioning and minor ills have hurt him. Granderson is really overrated if he gets anywhere near $20 mil this winter. Robinson Cano struggled mightily in the clutch the first couple of months, still should have more RBI than he has but again....better player than Grandeerson but 25 mil for eight years good? Even gotta worry about Nick Swisher, should be a four year guy around 50 mil but represented by Scott Boras maybe will try for seven year,100 mil plus Jayson Werth money. Just because Washington foolishly tried to bring legitimacy by overpaying by a lot for a good but not great player doesn't mean you throw common sense out the window too.
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    Frustrating to see the Yanks choke away their lead to a tie but not shocking either. We had so many injuries that were going to bite us in the butt sooner or later and now they have popped up.
    We have too many platoon and old players that were NOT meant to play as much as they have and the pitching...that's why Montero was traded away.
    I come from a multi generation Yankee family so I know there can be hard times..and IMO,the Yanks will be in one ofr the next couple of years.

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    Yankees have to get younger and better defensively range wise. I don't think they're going on a rebuilding course because they have enough quality veterans but long term they have to develop or trade for some guys they can build with. Derek will probably play another two or three years, we're stuck for the next for with A Rod and that's by far the worst situation. Mark Teixeira too, four more years to go on his contract....keep Cano but don't forget he's 30 now and another seven or eight year vontract for him means they should just forget tying themselves to either Curtis Granderson (32 next year) or Nick Swisher(31). Even the backups are old.... if Brett Gardner comes back healthy well mazel tv but even he's no spring chicken turning 30 next season. With the prices they charge no way they'll start over and be crap for a time but it is a very difficult balance of contending and developing /adding a new generation of talent. They do have a few really promising guys in the minors but trading the best of them for the new thirtyish slugger of the day is not the way to go. Interesting to see how they try to keep contending and not eventually all check in to the over the hill major league retirement home but form the next potential Yankee dynasty. I think Hal Steinbrenner wants to do it right., eschewing the superstar obsession his father had for a mix of players. Even the Yankees don't want to pay out plus 200 million dollar player budgets ad infinitum. As Brian Cashman said, the Yankees will always be willing to spend the money and have one of the highest if not the highest budgets but just spending money without thought doesn't make sense even for them. Flexibility too is key to long term contention.
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    The Washington Nats have shut down Stephen Strasburg for the year. John Lannan will take over the spot in the starting rotation.
    Strasburg 15-6 3.16 ERA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zer00ry View Post
    The Washington Nats have shut down Stephen Strasburg for the year. John Lannan will take over the spot in the starting rotation.
    Strasburg 15-6 3.16 ERA
    Hi,Z! I know Strasburg had the Tommy John surgery, and has made an outstanding comeback this year. Understandable if frustrating for Strasburg, his teammates ,the organiation and the Nat fans this season when the Nats are really going forward and finally loooking at a presaeason. He'll be back fresh and ready to go next spring and hopefully will have the stamina and okay of the club to stretch to around 200 innings or so for the season.

    Also,though he may not have the glowing stats this season as the Angel's center fielder Mike Trout, Bryce Harper is great... playing with a spark again after hitting a wall earlier in the summer. His daring baserunning and aggressiveness highlighted by his efforts against the Cubs a few games back (the game with the bench clearing brawl)just highlighted how much passion he has to win and how outstanding his baseball instincts are. He may react immaturely after a mistake or what he perceives a boneheaded call but no doubt he knows and appreciates how to play the game hard and right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    Hi,Z! I know Strasburg had the Tommy John surgery, and has made an outstanding comeback this year. Understandable if frustrating for Strasburg, his teammates ,the organiation and the Nat fans this season when the Nats are really going forward and finally loooking at a presaeason. He'll be back fresh and ready to go next spring and hopefully will have the stamina and okay of the club to stretch to around 200 innings or so for the season.

    Also,though he may not have the glowing stats this season as the Angel's center fielder Mike Trout, Bryce Harper is great... playing with a spark again after hitting a wall earlier in the summer. His daring baserunning and aggressiveness highlighted by his efforts against the Cubs a few games back (the game with the bench clearing brawl)just highlighted how much passion he has to win and how outstanding his baseball instincts are. He may react immaturely after a mistake or what he perceives a boneheaded call but no doubt he knows and appreciates how to play the game hard and right.
    Trout is having an incredible year

    he's pretty good looking too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth412 View Post
    Trout is having an incredible year

    he's pretty good looking too
    He absolutely is both!.....and is a New Jersey boy too!One of a kind talent....doing it all like he's showing now at only 20 is amazing!
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    Washington nationals just got swept by the Braves.
    The lead in the east drops to 5.5 , the magic number stays at 11.
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    Yep Nats hit a bump in the road not helped by Stephen Strasburg's season being cut short and Gonzalez and Zimmermann picking the worst time to slump this month. Still,you guys are in pretty good shape compared to what happened to the Mets Atlanta has been amazing, and damn if the Phillies at least showed fight getting back into a semblance of competitiveness.
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    I don't think the Nationals thought they were going to be as good as they were this year. Hence why they botched Strasburg. As for the divisions..other then the Giants in the NL West and Reds in the NL central,the rest of them are still up for grabs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    Sill,you guys are in pretty good shape compared to what happened to the Mets
    WHY???? What's happened to the Mets ????
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonny10305 View Post
    WHY???? What's happened to the Mets ????
    Bad boy,sonny!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    I don't think the Nationals thought they were going to be as good as they were this year. Hence why they botched Strasburg. As for the divisions..other then the Giants in the NL West and Reds in the NL central,the rest of them are still up for grabs.
    I dont think anyone in MLB thought the Nats would be this good and or even the A's.

    Just proves my point about overspeanding and having high payrolls and long terms contracts never are good for teams.

    I really want the Nats to win the National League and head to the WS.

    On a side note, super excited for the Dodgers and Giants coming to NY next year. Going to be like the good old days.

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    Nats did though spend obscenely for Jayson Werth...last year was an aberration but seven years, over $120 mil is crazy....crazier still they were bidding pretty much only against themselves. Happy to see Billy Beane back up again with his A's right in the thick of it....winning isn't just marquee names but chemistry and dedication as well. Glad the A's are out there to help remind baseball that the huge payrolls don't guarantee playoff caliber performances.

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    Holy cow...that was one of the best games I've ever seen!

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    Holy cow...that was one of the best games I've ever seen!
    Fuck,the Yankees pulled it out!!!I saw the score was 13-9 Oakland in the 13th and thought no way in hell the Yanks would rally from that! Then again,these ARE the Yanks and they can do stuff like this in their sleep!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    Fuck,the Yankees pulled it out!!!I saw the score was 13-9 Oakland in the 13th and thought no way in hell the Yanks would rally from that! Then again,these ARE the Yanks and they can do stuff like this in their sleep!
    My bad....Yanks scored four runs to tie the game in the bottom of the 13th 9-9,then won in the 14th. Not come back from a 13-9 deficit....though they did erase a four run burst from Oakland.
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    Only the 2nd time in franchise history they've done that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    Fuck,the Yankees pulled it out!!!I saw the score was 13-9 Oakland in the 13th and thought no way in hell the Yanks would rally from that! Then again,these ARE the Yanks and they can do stuff like this in their sleep!
    I was thinking the same thing. i was the Yankees will lose this game and sure enough they ended up winning it. It was a really good game!

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    They ARE the Yankees, guys...you can NEVER discount that!
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    Nats are the 2012 NL East Champions.
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    Congrats to the Nats!
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    Texas losing the AL West is not a surprise. If you don't have pitching,you can have the best offense in the world and it won't mean squat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Texas losing the AL West is not a surprise. If you don't have pitching,you can have the best offense in the world and it won't mean squat.
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    Holy smoke that Braves/Cards game could not have ended any sweeter for a Mets fan and Braves hatters like me. Granted it was prolly the worst call of the postseason and the Atlanta Braves paid big time losing 6-3.
    In case you missed it, with one out in the eighth inning and runners on first and second, the Braves Andrelton Simmons hit a fly ball to left field. The ball dropped in between Pete Kozma and Matt Holliday and I thought, damm they are gonna load the bases with that one and it’s rally time Those Brave’s fans are gonna go nutz with the chop chop . But wait, then it got really good when the Left field umpire sorta thought about it for a sec and then decided, Oh yeah that’s an infield fly rule call when the ball dropped between those two bumbling Braves. The call ruled Simmons out for the second out of the inning and an Braves fans went absolutely bonkers, BONKERS I tell ya, throwin crap onto the field and just freakin out delaying the game for almost 20 mins.
    There was a protest on the call from Fredi Gonzalez which was as Suze Orman, would say Deee nied
    Here’s the thing Braves fans, the infield fly rule is strictly a judgment call and not subject to any appeal. Plus there is no distance mentioned in the infield fly rule language and an umpire must only determine that an infielder could have caught the ball with an ordinary effort ya know like a major league pro would have done,
    I’m thinkin Gonzolez musta thought since the umpire took his time to make the decision immediately, not when the ball is within feet of hitting the ground which he shudda done. Well fans like they say shudda woulda coulda . All I know is that the Braves lost and in a way that me as a major Atlanta hater very very happy. If ever there was time for a baseball team to run around the field giving the Braves fans the chop chop this was the time and the Cards where the team to do it.

    Let me apologise to any JUB Braves fans out there, did not mean to rub it but as a Met fan I am sure you get me and understand
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    That call was bad, but the Braves did themselves in with all the throwing errors and lack of hitting with runners in scoring position. (Where have I seen that before?) My biggest beef with the call was 'Why is the left field umpire making that call?' In my opinion, all he should be worried about is fair/foul down the line and possible fan interference on balls along the fences. The 4, FOUR, infield umps should be responsible for the rest of the field. Was not a ball that should have been called on the Infield Fly Rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syam24 View Post
    That call was bad, but the Braves did themselves in with all the throwing errors and lack of hitting with runners in scoring position. (Where have I seen that before?) My biggest beef with the call was 'Why is the left field umpire making that call?' In my opinion, all he should be worried about is fair/foul down the line and possible fan interference on balls along the fences. The 4, FOUR, infield umps should be responsible for the rest of the field. Was not a ball that should have been called on the Infield Fly Rule.
    Yup, There were at least three throwing errors which contributed greatly to the loss the biggest one made by Chipper which cost them a lot. My biggest regret is that it was not the Mets that cost them that wild card
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Texas losing the AL West is not a surprise. If you don't have pitching,you can have the best offense in the world and it won't mean squat.
    The Rangers werent good this year. Now to see which team is going to overpay for Hamilton. Let the curse of overpay players continue! Sorry, but it seems that every team that overpays for these players, get screwed in the long end.

    Love the A's, O's, and Nats heading to the post season. It usually the same teams over and over agian, but this year i like it more, bc it feels different.

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    Hamilton's a great player, but this year had too many peaks and valleys and unfortunately one of his most gaping valleys came leading to the playoffs and the wild card single elimination game against the O's. He has a world of ability but had drug and alcohol problems that almost destroyed his career....and a couple of alcohol related relapses including earlier in the year for Texas. Don't see him going to a big media market where his flaws will be regular fodder in case he gets off to a slow start.... Texas may be big market size but he's definitely more suited for there than Boston, Philly(God Philly fans tore up Mike Schmidt.....they'd chew Josh up and spit him out)! Boston....all the pressure would be on him now. The Chicago Cubs? Ditto the Boston pressure thing. Maybe the Giants get serious and add help for Buster Posey? West Coast would be laid back exception for him.... it will sure be interesting where he lands. While the specter of huge money/huge bust is often true there are enough exceptions, like Prince Fielder in Detroit and after a slow start Albert Pujols(though a ten year contract for Pujols who may really be 34,not 32 is playing with nuclear fuel). But it is something teams have to take into consideration...look at the Yankees and Alex Rodriguez. Had the opportunity to add immense flexibility by letting him go after he opted out a few years back and signed him for an insane 10 years at nearly the same money proportionally to his old contract. Now he's hitting in the .270's, getting injured and not even hit 20 homers and 80 RBI. And he's got FIVE more years left to go...and with his steroid past problems even should he pass Barry Bonds home run "record" WHO will give a damn?

    On a happier Yanks note,CC Sabathia was a bit shaky early but then got tough and did a great job going within one out of a complete game 7-2 victory for the Yanks allowing eight hits and two early runs. After a bit of an up and down season his last season start was strong and he was equal to the task tonight doing what an ace does. Russell Martin led off the ninth with a solo home run and the floodgates opened as the Yanks scored five times roughing up the O's All Star closer Jim Johnson.
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    Watched amazing baseball the past few days. Verlander and CC showed what they are made of,Ibanez made those amazing homers and the Nats...heartbreaking is the only word to use.

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    Yes that was a heartbreaking loss for the Nats.
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    Yeah that was a shame the Nats did not go all the way they were outstanding all year and deserved to go to the WS. That Strasburg thing looms pretty large right now; in my mind you don’t take your best pitcher out in a series as important as this was, shame.
    But the cards have been amazing as well, I mean look what they were able to do without La Russa and just a important Duncan and Pujols and continue without missing a beat, great story.

    As to the Yankees I fully support Girardi’s decision to bench A-Rod, his performance has been pitiful going 0-11 with nine strike outs in this series even having with trouble fouling pitches off, look at that last at bat he got 85 MPH fast balls and could not catch up to them. he Yankees are trying to win games no time for pampering any player I don’t care who he is Joe had to put the best lineup he could to win and that did not include A-Rod. At least Alex must made Granderson feel better about the crappy season he has had going like 2-16 and chasing fastballs above his head. The Yankees have to thanks whatever God they believe in for Ibanez.
    By the way I think the Yankees are one of the teams paying the price for the additional wild card, because they just went 5 games it means that today they start the championship series with no day off. I don’t think Bud cramming that wild card in instead of waiting till it could be fit in properly with the season was a bad move.

    For me a great WS would be Yankees/Cardinals how bout you guys?
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    IMO,a lot of last night's blame has to go to Davey Johnson. Gio Gonzalez was left in way too long,Edwin Jackson should never have been brought in and in a do or die game,you don't leave your closer in there when it's obvious he doesn't have it.

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    Still the Nats exceeded expectations of the season. They just didn't finish the season very well.

    Looks like Derek Jeter got injuried with a fractured left ankle. He will miss the rest of the season with about three months to recover.
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    Yankees looked awful last night,first Yankee team EVER to lead the bases loaded three times in the postseason. And after we tied the game in the 9th,we did the same RISP crap we've done all year.
    And losing Jeter....like losing the heart and soul of our team.

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    As you know Derek Jeter broke his ankle last night; that ankle has been giving him fits and now he is done for the year. Heatbreaking for any player to come this far in the season and have it all taken away in the games you play all year to be in and in Jetters case in extra innings of a playoff game that shudda been his. He is not just tough you could say he is the toughest as well as the clutchest. He is The Captain.
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    Definitely a heartbreaker for Jeter and the Yanks....glad to read that the ankle injury bad as it was doesn't threaten his career but he will need the offseason to heal properly. Yanks are a club that came back from a 4-0 deficit last night to tie the game on Raul Ibanez' latest clutch homer in the bottom of the ninth so while this hurts they are far from down. Yep, sonny....as big a Mets fan I am(as you well know) so respectful of the Yankee's winning tradition and "The Captain" is one of the greatest Yankee winners ever.
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    last two nights have been real huge heartbreakers. The Nats losing (was hoping for a Nats/Yanks World Series) and Jeter and his injury!

    Arod better step up and everyone else as well! Raul cant do it all himself!

    I wonder if the Dodgers are willing to take another bad contract and take Arod off our hands!?

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    Gtru..A-Rod isn't the only one. This is the WORST offense I have seen in the last 20 years.

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    Too little speed, too many strikeouts and not enough reliance on making contact to generate runs. Generates home runs in bunches but without Derek Jeter loses one of the few guys who can make contact to get on base. They are awesome driving the ball out of the park but if you contain their power, it's very unlikely they can generate any offense now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    Too little speed, too many strikeouts and not enough reliance on making contact to generate runs. Generates home runs in bunches but without Derek Jeter loses one of the few guys who can make contact to get on base. They are awesome driving the ball out of the park but if you contain their power, it's very unlikely they can generate any offense now.
    Itís almost like watching the Mets huh Saucy
    The Yankees even have their own Jason Bay in A-Rod.
    I think of A-Rod the way I did with Bay when he comes up to the plate and we really need something to happen you think, Oh no, what is that fool gonna do. Nothing seems to go right for Alex even last night with a ball up and in that should have given him a 2-1 count he tried to get out of the way and itís a foul ball. When a player is going good and he has the count in his favor taking close pitches making sure he gets the pitch he wants and letting it rip but Alex just canít get to the real good fastball anymore so he tries to cheat and when he does that of course he gives himself up on the breaking ball; itís just what is gonna happen and I should think a-Rod would know that or at least he should.

    I am a big Mets fan but with my team out of it I wanted to see the Yankees win it and there was a time when they would bounce back after losing the first two but not without Jetter and the guys they have on this team
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonny10305 View Post
    It’s almost like watching the Mets huh Saucy
    The Yankees even have their own Jason Bay in A-Rod.
    I think of A-Rod the way I did with Bay when he comes up to the plate and we really need something to happen you think, Oh no, what is that fool gonna do. Nothing seems to go right for Alex even last night with a ball up and in that should have given him a 2-1 count he tried to get out of the way and it’s a foul ball. When a player is going good and he has the count in his favor taking close pitches making sure he gets the pitch he wants and letting it rip but Alex just can’t get to the real good fastball anymore so he tries to cheat and when he does that of course he gives himself up on the breaking ball; it’s just what is gonna happen and I should think a-Rod would know that or at least he should.

    I am a big Mets fan but with my team out of it I wanted to see the Yankees win it and there was a time when they would bounce back after losing the first two but not without Jetter and the guys they have on this team
    I wouldn't count the Yanks out,ya know,sonny....if they can get the long ball going, that's the one thing they can run rings around the Mets. Even Ichiro gets em out every now and then! It's sad what's hapened to A-Rod, and who knows how much of his steady decline can be attributed to his past history with chemical additives? The past two or so years he has looked like a shell of his old self.

    I'm also a big New York baseball fan.....much more like you support the Mets but they represent the city,too. Now I know that a Cub fan would probably root like hell for the Cards over the White Sox if they were in the playoffs representing Chicago and the old Giants/ Dodgers rivalry with the Yankees was incredibly intense and divisive. Yet it isn't that bitter a rivalry between Mets and Yankees we can't wish each other well when we're not there to compete in the playoffs.... I guess losing two pro teams to the West Coast makes you appreciate the presence of the other team more these days.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Gtru..A-Rod isn't the only one. This is the WORST offense I have seen in the last 20 years.
    We all know Swisher is gone after this season. Curtis might be another one, as I think the longer term contracts with the Yankees era might come to an end soon. A lot of these bigger clubs like the Soxs, Phillies, are realizing that going these ten year contracts aren't worth it.
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    If you give long term contracts it should be to players just reaching their prime, no older than 30 and no more than six or seven years guaranteed. Extend Cano, but even then be careful. He's not exactly imitating the great players of October right now. Yankees in a very tenuous situation...no surefire stars or solid regular contributors coming up in the next year or so. They may either be forced to overspend to keep competitive or retool entirely and I think with their prices retooling isn't really a serious option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    If you give long term contracts it should be to players just reaching their prime, no older than 30 and no more than six or seven years guaranteed. Extend Cano, but even then be careful. He's not exactly imitating the great players of October right now. Yankees in a very tenuous situation...no surefire stars or solid regular contributors coming up in the next year or so. They may either be forced to overspend to keep competitive or retool entirely and I think with their prices retooling isn't really a serious option.
    Dude, totally agree with you. I think six should be the max for long term contracts. Once a player is over the age of 30, giving them a 10 year contract is just plain stupid. The Angeles gave Albert a 10 year contract (he is 32) and his numbers are already in decline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gtru1981 View Post
    Dude, totally agree with you. I think six should be the max for long term contracts. Once a player is over the age of 30, giving them a 10 year contract is just plain stupid. The Angeles gave Albert a 10 year contract (he is 32) and his numbers are already in decline.
    Even the Reds giving Joey Votto a 10 year deal acted unwisely. Albert may even be 34, and though he had a good year after a bad start it was a notch below a typical Albert Pujols year. The Angels seriously can't think he'll give them more than five or six good years....God knows the Yanks with A-Rod being under contract for five more years at nearly $120 mil didn't pay him to struggle to hit in the .270's with maybe 20 homers,75 RBI. Obviously it's not my money to determine how its spent but locking up two,three or four players while having far less maneuverability regarding the rest if the roster even for a moneybags team like the Yanks just doesn't make sense. I liked what one cynical GM said about guaranteed contracts being a good idea: "Guarantee the performance and I'll guarantee the money!"
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    The cold hard truth...last year and this year were the Yank's best chances to win a World Series that they will have in a while. They are getting older and at some point,they will have to rebuild.
    As for what's going on with A-Rod,I will always be grateful for 09 but the bottom line is he hijacked a World Series game to announce to everyone he wanted to leave unless he got more $$$$.
    When you get paid that much,you darn well better produce and A-Rod hasn't.

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