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    Quote Originally Posted by aijalon18 View Post
    i liked Bela too and Ruby for a while. i dont like them listening to fans because some of the most vocal are silly girls who never like any female character on the show.
    I think the artist are selective on what they take from the fans. And I think they don't really change stories around us, mostly acknowledge what we say about the show. Like the Jensen diss.

    It also knows when to poke fun at itself. With the episode called "Jumping the Shark" they knew it was a jump the shark ep, and instead of acting like it wasn't, they owned up and called it what it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falconfan View Post
    Oh yeah there was a fucking firestorm the beginning of season 3. The producers wanted the CW to greenlight one female regular (Ruby) but the network asked for two. As a result the producers bumped up Bela from recurring character to 'recurring regular'
    Oh wow, I was totally out of the info circle back then. While she may not work as a recurring regular, she does work as a recurring character, and I hope that she is on this season.

    I think Kripke said she was. Here's to hoping.

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    Yay for tonight's episode! I loved it. How awesome was it watching Castiel trying to be a normal human? And we finally got to see an archangel. I loved the ending, as well. It was only slightly disappointing, because it seemed like the obvious solution, but in all honesty it makes perfect sense. Can't wait for next week.

    Side note: Was I the only one who kind of expected that waitress to be God in disguise? After her whole "nothing so bad that it can't be forgiven" speech, I got that feeling. Oh well, that might have been a little too much, too soon.

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    ^Zachariah is a archangel. He is probably a lowly archangel, but still more powerful than your garden variety Angel.

    Cas admitting he is a virgin was so funny, that whole scene, set up was just so hilarious, I was cringing and laughing the entire time.

    I totally thought Sam was Lucifer's true vessel since last season. Releasing him from hell totally couldn't have been the only Ezezel cultivated Sam.

    It will be interesting to see the ultimate arch angel fight between Sam and Dean.

    It was also so heartbreaking with Dean being happier without Sam. Not the usual route shows usually go, but this is Supernatural, we expect it.

    I think next ep will make Dean realize he needs to keep Sam close to him, and probably go looking for him again. Even though he feels happier with Sam gone.

    I think Dean will eventually let Michael have his body, if only to stop Sam.

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    I loved last night's episode of supernatural.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo View Post
    ^Zachariah is a archangel. He is probably a lowly archangel, but still more powerful than your garden variety Angel.
    I doubt he's an archangel. According to Christian theology (At least the one I'm familiar with) there were four archangels: Michael, Lucifer, Gabriel, and Raphael. When Lucifer fell he was replaced and I've had many names for his replacement, most frequently Uriel (which is why I was so surprised that he was NOT an archangel but maybe they were playing off him replacing Lucifer as for shadowing of his own descent). Either way I'm not familiar with an biblical Zachariah outside of John the Baptist's father.

    I think Supernatural has made it clear theirs an Angel hierarchy. Anna was Cas & Uriel's "boss" but she clearly wasn't in charge. Zachariah I imagine is high up the food chain but not the highest tier.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo View Post
    Cas admitting he is a virgin was so funny, that whole scene, set up was just so hilarious, I was cringing and laughing the entire time.
    I also found the idea of Cas learning to be human adorable but the stripper scene wasn't one of my favorites.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo View Post
    I totally thought Sam was Lucifer's true vessel since last season. Releasing him from hell totally couldn't have been the only Ezezel cultivated Sam.
    I thought for a while that Sam was suppose to be the anti-christ. Pretty much since John told Dean he may have to kill him. It's glad to find out I wasn't crazy because I really thought they've been drawing biblical parallels in the family for a very long time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo View Post
    It will be interesting to see the ultimate arch angel fight between Sam and Dean.

    It was also so heartbreaking with Dean being happier without Sam. Not the usual route shows usually go, but this is Supernatural, we expect it.

    I think next ep will make Dean realize he needs to keep Sam close to him, and probably go looking for him again. Even though he feels happier with Sam gone.

    I think Dean will eventually let Michael have his body, if only to stop Sam.
    I think the next episode Dean's being sent forward in time by a mysterious force (i.e. God) to see what happens if he does hand his body over to Michael. Thus Dean saying to himself 'You're making decisions I'd never make' or something of that nature.

    I like Dean and Sam not being incredibly buddy buddy. As for whether they'll give themselves up as vessels or not... two seasons ago I said at the beginning they' CAN'T send Dean to hell, he'll get out of it. Last season I said they CAN'T start the Apocalypse they'll get out of it. This season I see myself saying the same thing... they have a way of doing these crazy ass things that seem like they'd end a series and now that the production staff actually are more or less planning to bring it to a close who the fuck knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falconfan View Post
    I doubt he's an archangel. According to Christian theology (At least the one I'm familiar with) there were four archangels: Michael, Lucifer, Gabriel, and Raphael. When Lucifer fell he was replaced and I've had many names for his replacement, most frequently Uriel (which is why I was so surprised that he was NOT an archangel but maybe they were playing off him replacing Lucifer as for shadowing of his own descent). Either way I'm not familiar with an biblical Zachariah outside of John the Baptist's father.
    Oh, well I guess that makes sense then. Cause seeing Raphael, I was wondering how Zachariah could be so...weak compared to the intensity Raphael brought. Even Dean was scared.
    I think Supernatural has made it clear theirs an Angel hierarchy. Anna was Cas & Uriel's "boss" but she clearly wasn't in charge. Zachariah I imagine is high up the food chain but not the highest tier.
    I always imagined Zach to be some type of powerful spokesangel for special humans. Kind of like Nan Flannigan from True Blood.


    I thought for a while that Sam was suppose to be the anti-christ. Pretty much since John told Dean he may have to kill him. It's glad to find out I wasn't crazy because I really thought they've been drawing biblical parallels in the family for a very long time.
    Yeah, ever since season 1 with the demon blood, I figured there was something big that was in store for Sam. Never imagined he'd be the vessel for Lucifer.

    I never imagined there was anything special in store for Dean. Not until he was yanked out of hell.

    You know what would be cool. If God takes the body of their Dad. I hope this somehow gets to Kripke. Talk about epic.

    I think the next episode Dean's being sent forward in time by a mysterious force (i.e. God) to see what happens if he does hand his body over to Michael. Thus Dean saying to himself 'You're making decisions I'd never make' or something of that nature.
    I am wondering if it is God or Michael. If Lucifer could find Sam, even with the cloak on, no doubt Michael is equally as resourceful. What if Michael knows what is going on (seeing how he is essentially God while God is gone) and to convince Dean, he sends him forward to see the future that awaits if he remains defiant.

    I feel like Michael is somewhat similar to Lucifer. Neither of them lie, or trick you, but instead, show you that being their vessel isn't as bad as the alternative. Sam, being outcast and considered persona non grata amongst hunters, including his brother. Except for Bobby I guess.

    And Dean, seeing as the Apocalypse unfolds before his eyes, and he is unable to stop the progress.

    I like Dean and Sam not being incredibly buddy buddy. As for whether they'll give themselves up as vessels or not... two seasons ago I said at the beginning they' CAN'T send Dean to hell, he'll get out of it. Last season I said they CAN'T start the Apocalypse they'll get out of it. This season I see myself saying the same thing... they have a way of doing these crazy ass things that seem like they'd end a series and now that the production staff actually are more or less planning to bring it to a close who the fuck knows.
    Well, if the CW gets the next season they want, who knows what will happen. How do you have a season after the apocalypse, Lucifer, Michael and God?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo View Post
    You know what would be cool. If God takes the body of their Dad. I hope this somehow gets to Kripke. Talk about epic.
    I was wondering about where John was myself. I mean with angels running all over the place Daddy would definitely go try to help his sons. Realistically though I doubt that CW can afford Jeffery Dean Morgan so I don't really expect to see him around even if I feel the character should reappear in some sense. Maybe towards teh end of the season we'll catch a glimpse of John but if you remember even the Djin episode they couldn't get JDM to come back.

    I don't think God really needs a vessel. I mean he's not an angel he's god.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo View Post
    I am wondering if it is God or Michael. If Lucifer could find Sam, even with the cloak on, no doubt Michael is equally as resourceful. What if Michael knows what is going on (seeing how he is essentially God while God is gone) and to convince Dean, he sends him forward to see the future that awaits if he remains defiant.
    Hmmmm yeah that does seem more their style. You're probably right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo View Post
    Well, if the CW gets the next season they want, who knows what will happen. How do you have a season after the apocalypse, Lucifer, Michael and God?
    Very good question. I see no way you can have a season AFTER the Apocalypse. I don't know what's going to happen. Kripke has been very insistent on keeping his five season arc intact. But CWs beginning to realize their earning potential of the show with the increased ratings and they're pressuring more seasons so he's begun to say if he comes across a satisfactory idea to further it he'd stick around. Either way I believe both Js are signed on throuhg 6 seasons os I think one might happen. God knows how you top the end of hte world though

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    Quote Originally Posted by falconfan View Post
    I was wondering about where John was myself. I mean with angels running all over the place Daddy would definitely go try to help his sons. Realistically though I doubt that CW can afford Jeffery Dean Morgan so I don't really expect to see him around even if I feel the character should reappear in some sense. Maybe towards teh end of the season we'll catch a glimpse of John but if you remember even the Djin episode they couldn't get JDM to come back.

    I don't think God really needs a vessel. I mean he's not an angel he's god.
    I didn't know the actor was so expensive.

    I was thinking God would simply take the form of John and appear before the brothers to stop all the madness.

    But IDK, so many ways to use the God in this season. Who knows what will happen. I wonder who gets the honor of writing the lines for God? It will have to be profound. But they did such a good job on Raphael.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo View Post
    I didn't know the actor was so expensive.

    I was thinking God would simply take the form of John and appear before the brothers to stop all the madness.

    But IDK, so many ways to use the God in this season. Who knows what will happen. I wonder who gets the honor of writing the lines for God? It will have to be profound. But they did such a good job on Raphael.
    Well I don't know his asking price or anything. I do know that he's become a hot commodity of late (He's in 6 movies in some phase of production). That he's got great recognizability since his turn on "Grey's Anatomy" I also know they had to replace Katie Cassidy for budgetary reasons. It' just my assumption that they'd have trouble securing him. Can't say if it's true.

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    I'm guessing that for God, the rules differ when it comes to walking on the earth. Angels have to take hosts--however, perhaps God needs to pull another Virgin Mary, and be born into the world. I'm guessing that no human host can contain his power, considering the difficulties that arise for the hosts of the archangels (i.e. the catatonic state of Raphael's host, and Lucifer's host being on the verge of bursting into flames). Perhaps he needs to create his own body.

    But still, that leaves the question of where the hell he's been for so long. Has he simply been wandering the earth for the last few centuries? How long has he been on the earth, if he is? Is he even aware of who he is?

    Could you imagine waking up one morning to discover that you are the creator of the universe? That would be some heavy shit, bro.

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    I agree about the rules being different for God but I don't think he needs to be reborn. I think he probably just has his own form to touch down in and likely an ability to look however he pleases. As to where he's been or why he's gone well we can only guess how they'll write that and as of now I've got no guesses.

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    I think the writers are well aware of the missed opportunity...on a number of occasions there have been references either to Wincest, or just plain old mix-ups in which people mistake the boys for lovers.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Nik2 View Post
    This show really missed a huge opportunity (if even for just subtext) by making these two HOT boys brothers, thereby precluding any sexual tension.
    It's true their combined hotness and the extreme emotional attachment between the characters has led many a fan to disregard their relationship and decide they're together anyway.

    Luckily I am content with the mere notion of the actors hooking up together and the fact they live together.... yeah that works for me.

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    I dont even know what to say about this episode.

    Epic goodness is one thing.

    I have to say, my favorite scenes is when Lucifer is on the screen.

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    Agreed. It was such a kick ass episode. My love for Cas continues to grow. My desire to give Dean a much need hug is also increasing at an epic rate. Two Dean's on a screen can't help but lead my mind to some very interesting sex thoughts, especially when you toss in an orgy loving Cas.

    Just amazingness. I'm really loving these time travel episodes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falconfan View Post
    Agreed. It was such a kick ass episode. My love for Cas continues to grow. My desire to give Dean a much need hug is also increasing at an epic rate. Two Dean's on a screen can't help but lead my mind to some very interesting sex thoughts, especially when you toss in an orgy loving Cas.

    Just amazingness. I'm really loving these time travel episodes.
    Cas is amazing.

    When he zapped him away from Zach though, I felt like the actor forgot to get out of the future world he was acting in. Cas seemed to smiley and relaxed when he was delivering his lines on the side of the road.

    Haha, I was thinking how hot future Dean looked all brooding and slightly evil.

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    Interesting episode last night.....a kid with a hell of a problem.A Damien type one.

    Loved when Castiel corrected the guys and said that the AntiChrist isn't the son of Lucifer but a highly valued demon/human hybrid who could be twisted and turned by Lucifer to cause horrific damage if the cdemons get their hands on him.Mentioning that humans get a lot of things in the Bible wrong.

    Loved the 'X-Men' spiel Dean was giving the kid....before mom and her inner demon showed up to manipulate Jesse with the truth about his unique parentage.That Jesse was a superhero who would be protected just like in the X-Men by a guy in a wheelchair(Bobby)

    The best message about Supernatural is its humanity,even in the wake of so much brutality,depravity,negativity and manipulation by evil and even "good"forces.That within us there is something good and worth saving and cherishing even if few believe in us and oftentimes it's hard for us to.
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    I liked the episode but the inconsistency bothered me. The concept that everything the Anti-Christ believes is true seemed to just be dropped half-way through the episode. I mean according to the logic of the first half of the episode after Dean convinced him he was a superhero he should've actually been a superhero. In smaller notes Sam and Dean should've been FBI agents as the Anti-Christ believed them to be such. In reality it just disappoints me because that could've been SO FUN for a writer to play with. The fact that there was a safe distance would've made it easy enough to undo anything that was done by the Anti-Christs beliefs and undo permanent damage.

    And the parallel to the infamous "Twilight Zone" episode "The Good Life" went on acknowledged yet again (There was a similar, obvious parallel in the season 3 finale). Supernatural has always been very conscious of the horror heritage in film and television and often includes playful references so it's hard for me to think that the writers didn't note the blatant parallel between the scene when Dan tries to kill Anthony in the "It's a Good Life" episode and the scene where Cas tries to kill the anti-christ.

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    Thinking back on the future episode that Dean was in. Do you think the anti-christ possibly is the reason the angels were gone in the future?

    It was only mentioned that they just werent there, but who knows?

    It is a stretch idea seeing how Cas didn't dissapear with them, and Dean has already disrupted the slow that that future was on. Or did he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollo View Post
    Thinking back on the future episode that Dean was in. Do you think the anti-christ possibly is the reason the angels were gone in the future?

    It was only mentioned that they just werent there, but who knows?

    It is a stretch idea seeing how Cas didn't dissapear with them, and Dean has already disrupted the slow that that future was on. Or did he?
    You could make that argument. I don't know if the episode writer really thought of the precise reason as to why the angels vanished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falconfan View Post
    You could make that argument. I don't know if the episode writer really thought of the precise reason as to why the angels vanished.
    I may have missed something, but didn't either future-Dean or future-Cas say something about the angels being gone because they had simply given up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by neoachilles View Post
    I may have missed something, but didn't either future-Dean or future-Cas say something about the angels being gone because they had simply given up?
    Future Dean said he was trying to say yes but no one was there. Cas also said that Angels no longer existed but none of them really gave a definitive reason, though the impression was they gave up.

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    Since they now know the colt still exist from the episode in the future, my guess is that Sam is going to say yes so that Dean can shoot him with it. There is a struggle, Dean eventually shoots Sam/Lucifer killing him and Dean dies from wounds received. That or they both say yes and the battle leaves both brothers catatonic, but I think they will both die this time around. A Winchester has died or been resurrected in every season of Supernatural. Plus it goes along with that song they play at the beginning and end of every season while doing the recaps.

    Carry on my wayward son
    There'll be peace when you are done
    Lay your weary head to rest
    Don't you cry (don't you cry no more)

    No more need to be resurrected.

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    I don't see the show killing them off for good. It's just not the feel of the show. Kripke also made comments about being open to season 6 if the stories right.

    My assumption is that they continue to pave their own way and fight against predestination, force the demonic force back to hell with divine intervention. I doubt we've seen the last of Anna and there is clearly an extremely powerful Pro-Winchester force at work here.

    Perhaps Lucifer did bring back Cas (though I suspect it was God) he certainly didn't transport Sam and Dean to safety. It leaves the question of this higher, stronger power out there in the great experiment of human will vs predestination.

    I wouldn't read too much into the Kansas reference. I think it's just a song that fits the genre, feel, and rough story of the show.

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    Agreed. How do you go beyond the Apocalypse? Unless they take some sort of spin on this that leaves one thing undone from this story arc they really can't take it any further.

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    i think jared and jensen have signed contracts for six seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falconfan View Post
    Agreed. How do you go beyond the Apocalypse? Unless they take some sort of spin on this that leaves one thing undone from this story arc they really can't take it any further.
    Well in the book of Revelation isn't the Apocalypse supposed to last 7 years?
    Seems like there ought be enough material to make the Apocalypse last one more season..or maybe two.


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    I hadn't heard about him being open to six seasons, last I heard it was 5. That's good news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falconfan View Post
    Agreed. How do you go beyond the Apocalypse? Unless they take some sort of spin on this that leaves one thing undone from this story arc they really can't take it any further.
    Yeah there isn't much you can do after dealing with Armageddon. But, who knows what'll happen? Sam is supposed to be Lucifer's vessel, so who's to say that the season finale won't find him giving in to Lucifer? Then next season could deal with Dean trying to come to terms with either letting the Devil run rampant in Sam's body, or putting and end to him--either on his own, or as Michael. My point is, the whole Apocalypse angle doesn't need to be limited to a single season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cityboy-stl View Post
    Well in the book of Revelation isn't the Apocalypse supposed to last 7 years?
    Seems like there ought be enough material to make the Apocalypse last one more season..or maybe two.
    They could stretch out the storyline but from it's conception the creator has always discussed it as a five season arc. And he maintained that until very recently, and still largely maintains it. That makes me think he planned to deal with the Apocalypse in one season and if that's what they were aiming it, changing it midstream likely wont' translate well.

    Also I've heard talk about long time writer/producer Sera Gamble penning a sci-fi pilot for Showtime (about a year ago... don't know if that's still going on or not).

    It' feels to meet that dispite the boys 6 year contract the creative team is readying themselves to move on.

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    I'm loving the way the season is going so far. The last episode had me on the edge of my seat and yelling at the TV for killing off Helen and Jo. They were my most favorite hunters other than Sam and Dean. Don't get me wrong I like Bobby a lot but Helen's attitude and Jo's actions are the greatest.

    As for where supernatural is going. If I remember my Catholic High school days correctly, even though it was only two years ago I really wasn't paying that much attention during class. God will appear again with trumpets blaring riding in on a cloud. Not sure if I am right or even if they are going to get it to go that way. I think having John reappear would be a very cool thing to do. Another theory I have is that there the messiah is already born is somewhere on earth they are just going to have to find him.

    There definately is a hierarchy for the angels. I believe that all the angels that we have seen are arcangels. again drawing back on my catholic school education or maybe from a different television show for this one, i don't know, there are two types of angels. One are gaurdian angels and the others are Arc angels, the warriors of the Lord. The way I see the hierarchy made is by the favorites of God. After all Jesus had favorites why not the Lord

    I started a forum a couple weeks ago about the ending of Supernatural... http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=284805

    The writers had planned out the series since the beginning and want it to end with season 5. Jensen and Jared apparently signed for six years but I think that could change. I would hate to see the Supernatural end but I think it might be a smart thing to do. Have the audience wanting more and Ending it with a bang.

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    It's been a while since someone's posted, so I figured I'd give the thread a little bump. Was anyone else a wee bit disappointed at tonight's season finale? I don't know, I guess I was hoping for a bit more bang for my buck. Not knocking it or anything, I just wanted something more. In any case, I gotta ask, wtf is up with Chuck? What was that at the end?

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    I just got into this show. It's on when I'm getting ready for work and it seems so interesting. I missed tonight's season finale but I'll catch it tomorrow night.

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    Nice to see they're coming back next year. The season finale tonight was.....I'll save my opinion for later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neoachilles View Post
    It's been a while since someone's posted, so I figured I'd give the thread a little bump. Was anyone else a wee bit disappointed at tonight's season finale? I don't know, I guess I was hoping for a bit more bang for my buck. Not knocking it or anything, I just wanted something more. In any case, I gotta ask, wtf is up with Chuck? What was that at the end?
    Chuck is God. At least that's what I took from it. It takes the meta-thing to a whole new level. The writer of "Supernatural" actually being God in the series "Supernatural"

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    So.... wow. The series just ended. I don't know what happens next year, but the show just ended. The finale itself, I think was a bit slow and melodramatic but it was clearly a completion of Kripke's vision and I think it was quite bold of them to just go for it like that.

    I'm getting a little tired of them bringing people back to life. I mean death loses its meaning if we keep resurrecting people. And I was upset that there was no acknowledgement that Adam was a 'weaker' host than Dean. I feel like it needs to be acknowledge with so much of the season being the angels trying to bend Dean to their will.

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    I just got into this show. That Jensen is so fucking hot I cant take my eyes off of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falconfan View Post
    Chuck is God. At least that's what I took from it. It takes the meta-thing to a whole new level. The writer of "Supernatural" actually being God in the series "Supernatural"
    But he was hitting on girls and drinking liquor He did vanish at the end, hmmm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tadaa View Post
    But he was hitting on girls and drinking liquor He did vanish at the end, hmmm.
    Yeah and after providing some greater wisdom as to the boys struggle and its true meaning. It really felt like that was the implication to me and its not like Supernatural is adverse to unconventional portrayals of traditional figures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falconfan View Post
    So.... wow. The series just ended. I don't know what happens next year, but the show just ended. The finale itself, I think was a bit slow and melodramatic but it was clearly a completion of Kripke's vision and I think it was quite bold of them to just go for it like that.

    I'm getting a little tired of them bringing people back to life. I mean death loses its meaning if we keep resurrecting people. And I was upset that there was no acknowledgement that Adam was a 'weaker' host than Dean. I feel like it needs to be acknowledge with so much of the season being the angels trying to bend Dean to their will.
    Yeah, I can't see how they plan to top this season, although from what I hear, this next season is going to go back to basics. Back to the way it was in season 1. Now as for Adam, yeah it's obvious that he was the back-up plan for Michael's host. The boobie prize, as it were.

    I have to say, though, that listening to Lucifer and Michael argue reminded me of nothing less than the arguments Sam and Dean used to have about John's plans way back when. Lucifer was never more sympathetic than he was in that scene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neoachilles View Post
    Yeah, I can't see how they plan to top this season, although from what I hear, this next season is going to go back to basics. Back to the way it was in season 1. Now as for Adam, yeah it's obvious that he was the back-up plan for Michael's host. The boobie prize, as it were.

    I have to say, though, that listening to Lucifer and Michael argue reminded me of nothing less than the arguments Sam and Dean used to have about John's plans way back when. Lucifer was never more sympathetic than he was in that scene.
    Well, yeah the entire relationship was built to reflect the one between Michael and Lucifer.

    I have no problem with the 'back to the basics' concept but I feel like this is going to be the jump the shark moment. It's never going to feel the same after this. I give them mega props if they can pull it off but I just doubt it.

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    Yea this poor little thread was abandoned.I guess the finale was ok. Not disappointed or thrilled like seasons 1-3 finales.But I loved all the flashbacks. I didnt realize how much Jared's looks have changed. Jensen pretty much looks the same.

    I think the show is still great overall. I love how they constantly acknowledge their large gay fan base. I love Crowley and him taking an iphone pic of kissing Bobby with tongue.

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    Like I wrote earlier, I'm new to the show (I've neve seen an episode before this season...hell, I haven't seen every episode this season either) but I think the fact the series was only meant to last 5 seasons plays a lot into what some are disappointed about.

    I think instead of changing everything to set up season 6, they decided to keep the original plan that would see the show end and just add in a few open ended storylines for the next season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whisperer View Post
    Also, everyone dies, and then 5 minutes later they're all fine again. Death on this show has lost all impact. Why not just go and bring back everyone who's died since the first episode? (Is anyone else thinking of that scene at the end of Kiss Kiss Bang Bang? :P )
    Well the point of killing Bobby and Castiel like that was clearly to build tension and create the feeling that they might actually kill off Dean (again). I wonder if the show ended at this season like they originally planned if we'd see those resurrections. I mean this entire SEASON was building up to death killing off all the recurring characters one by one. I wouldn't be surprised if the plan was to just leave Dean broken and alone, brooding like the modern day cowboy that he is.

    I agree that there was too much chatting, I could do without Sam's conversation with Lucifer. I think it worked well conceptually but they didn't know how to execute it properly. I mean Sam NEEDED to say yes and he needed to fight Lucifer eternally that's what the whole damn series built up to. I just wish they didn't talk about it in such an on-the-nose fashion this season. Before you'd see their emotions in flashes of anger, in their actions, now they talk about it alot in a more melodramatic fashion.

    But death does have some meaning you Pamela, Jo, Ellen, John, Gabrielle, Anna, and Zachariah all bit the dust for good. But you know that the core four aren't ever going to be gone for long.

    What I'm most concerned/worried about is how they're going to get Dean on the road again next season. As a man who defines himself by his family I can't imagine the character would ever run out on Lisa and... ummm that kid and I really don't want to have another 'oh my family's been brutally slaughtered' thing.

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    It was going so well,with the two episodes playing up Crowley(Mark Sheppard should have a sequel,"That's My Demon" he is such a hoot...and so fond of gay references,as well)that the last battle was a bummer,going the least satisfying route possible.Castiel apparently being promoted to an archangel and taking over the business of governing Heaven and creation in God and Michael's absence was inspired,though.Lucifer seemed surprised by Sam's decision to say yes,not arrogantly unprepared for a fight to the death.Michael,good son that he is now is in the pit with bad boy brother Lucifer apparently forever....but at least Armageddon was avoided it seemed TOO easy,too pat.God(apparently Chuck,still has a LOT of explaining to do as a deadbeat dad who ran off when things got tough)seems to definitely work in furiously mysterious ways,as Sam(in what condition we don't really have a clue)was also returned like new in the last shot,right after Chuck(God,whatever was putting the finishing touches on his new Supernatural book/Bible,the apparent literal "Word of God")Though the little perspective about endings never being quite satisfying,holes are left opened,endings aren't necessarily endings,not explained,etc...was too on the point dead on a description of this episode.I'm still hopeful for next season but would like falconfan not be interested in seeing Dean's newfound tranquility,precarious as it is be shattered byan artificial crisis like killing off Lisa and her son and having Dean seek vengeance.After what he's been through,and knowing the nature of God and Heaven now,not so perfectly ordered and wonderful I don't think he could handle that,he'd pardon the pun "Chuck" it all off and end his life because there would be then NOTHING for him to live for.He dedicated himself to help save humanity,and like Castiel said,he did...no heaven,no hell on Earth...just more of the same.For the price the brothers are paying in saving the world and defying the arbitariness of their destiny,proving that free will makes us who we are,our own personal uniqueness...cold comfort indeed.

    Sorry about the rambling,but as much as I love the series last night could have been so much more.Maybe the series finale next May can deliver the satisfying payoff the fans had expected.Not perfection,not unceasing bliss,but a chance to live for themselves,and not pawns of competing agendas from on high and down below.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    I'm still hopeful for next season but would like falconfan not be interested in seeing Dean's newfound tranquility,precarious as it is be shattered byan artificial crisis like killing off Lisa and her son and having Dean seek vengeance.After what he's been through,and knowing the nature of God and Heaven now,not so perfectly ordered and wonderful I don't think he could handle that,he'd pardon the pun "Chuck" it all off and end his life because there would be then NOTHING for him to live for.He dedicated himself to help save humanity,and like Castiel said,he did...no heaven,no hell on Earth...just more of the same.For the price the brothers are paying in saving the world and defying the arbitariness of their destiny,proving that free will makes us who we are,our own personal uniqueness...cold comfort indeed.
    Well what it boils down to, for me is this, they ended one story and most begin another. Beginning with the brutal slaughtering of a family AGAIN the way John's story and Sam's story and Luke Skywalker's story and Ethan Edwards story.... I mean there are other ways to kick off an epic journey, here's to hoping the writers find one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falconfan View Post
    Well the point of killing Bobby and Castiel like that was clearly to build tension and create the feeling that they might actually kill off Dean (again). I wonder if the show ended at this season like they originally planned if we'd see those resurrections. I mean this entire SEASON was building up to death killing off all the recurring characters one by one. I wouldn't be surprised if the plan was to just leave Dean broken and alone, brooding like the modern day cowboy that he is.
    I think Castiel would have been back (for the scene with Dean in the car) but not Bobby and no last camera shot of Sam. I'm curious what direction the show will go next season.

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    I cant believe people are that disappointed. I thought Sam at the end was good. he's back from hell but we dont know who is in control and where is Michael? Decent cliffhanger. I dont like Dean going with that girl at the end. Of all the female guest stars from Dean's past she didnt really stand out to me, in looks or personality. The only girl who seemed to stand out from Dean's past was Anna. I dont like what they ended up doing to her character.

    I didnt expect a huge biblical blowout b/c Supernatural has never had a huge budget. But it could have been a bit different. How much of waste of time was Sam/Satan killing those random demons from his past? That was so stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aijalon18 View Post
    I cant believe people are that disappointed. I thought Sam at the end was good. he's back from hell but we dont know who is in control and where is Michael? Decent cliffhanger. I dont like Dean going with that girl at the end. Of all the female guest stars from Dean's past she didnt really stand out to me, in looks or personality. The only girl who seemed to stand out from Dean's past was Anna. I dont like what they ended up doing to her character.

    I didnt expect a huge biblical blowout b/c Supernatural has never had a huge budget. But it could have been a bit different. How much of waste of time was Sam/Satan killing those random demons from his past? That was so stupid.
    Likewise, I think that Anna was far and away Dean's most solid love interest and also didn't think they treated her fairly. But after she got whisked away to be tortured by heaven's thugs for rebelling I think it was acceptable that she come out harder around the edges. As far as Lisa, well that felt appropriate because since her introduction she's served as Dean's idyllic woman. The thing to keep in mind about Dean is like any great 'cowboy' the boy is 100% about family. He walked into insta-family with hot loving wife and adorable son all tee-ed up for him. That I get.

    It's not that Sam's appearance at teh end wasn't done well I'm just tired of people coming back to life. Like really 4/5 finales has ended with one of them dying adn then coming back before the next episode (or within the finale).

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