i am still kinda lost on the finale but it was friggin crazy!
so is Sam bad now? and is Dean gonna kill Lucifer or did they trick him, I was tired from work and making coffee at random parts of the episode, Falconfan can you help me please <3
ps. Sorry for bumping, i see Supernatural and my fanboy goes hard
As to your questions... Is Sam bad? Sam is Sam. Nothing has fundamentally changed about his character other than the realization that the person he trusted was leading him to work for Lucifer rather than against him.
As for whether Dean will kill Lucifer. That's in the air. It's clear that the angels believe he is destined to do so and I'm sure that's what the next season will eb about but I geuss we'll just have to see how that turns out.
Reading some stuff around the internet, it seems Castiel survives Zacharias going all arch angel on his ass at the prophets house.
I think Castiel might have actually killed the arch angel or went super rogue and is gonna help Dean kill Lucifer.
I must say, I am soooo excited to see how they do Lucifer in this final season. It is definitely going to be epic no matter what they do.
Also, according to rumors, Sam will rejoin Dean, but he will still be dealing with the demon blood addiction. So there could be a possible story line where Lucifer is able to convince Sam to go to his side.
Well my assumption is that Sam is meant to be Lucifer's host and Dean is meant to host for either Michael or be the second coming but because they have their nifty little 'anti-possession' tattoos neither one of them will be able to be possessed unless they consent by removing them.
But with Sam still being addicted to the demon blood, Lucifer might be effective in geting Sam to get rid of the tattoo, making him Lucifer's permanent body.
I don't think Dean was ever meant to be possessed. I think he is just the person what is supposed to take down Lucifer, and he would be one of the only humans to make it to paradise with the angels.
Dean is definitely not going to be letting any Angels in his body now seeing what he knows about the Angels now, minus Cas and Anna.
And what do you think they did to Anna?
So if Dean is meant to take down Satan he has to be at the very least an angel and at most the second coming itself.
I think Anna will resurface and become Dean's serious love interest.
^Castiel should become Dean's serious love interest. That'd be kinda awesome but of course would never happen. But it was said that Misha Collins would be sticking around for a while.
I dont mind Anna though. One of the best Supernatural girls imo besides original Ruby.
And a Castiel Dean love interest would be hot. I heard that Misha was signed for next season so that's why I am assuming Cas would be coming back.
Haha, it would be awesome if they made a gay Angel.
LOL well of course Cas/Dean (Castiean?) would be amazing yet impossible. What I think would be great yet equally impossible is if they introduce Michael the arch-angel as an individual who expects to live in Dean's body and therefore include all sorts of homoerotic undertones about him wanting Dean's body
As far as Rubys go it's Katie Cassidy's fault. She wanted too much money.
To be fair to Katie Cassidy she might not have been greedy, she might have just wanted to be paid fairly and they were trying to low ball her. She prolly just wanted to get paid what she is worth. Katie isnt exactly an unknown like most of actresses on Supernatural. She's been in the business for a while, done some moderately successful movies, big guest starring roles, and her dad is David Cassidy.
Had to google Michael the arch angel to know who you were talking about.
I think it is safe to say, he is one of the three angels to have seen God. I wonder if Zachariah has seen God also? Anyway, Michael is probably the plan maker in all this too.
It will be interesting to see if they introduce Michael in this final season, and if he will be taking over Dean's body.
Imagine that, Michael in Dean, Lucifer in Sam.
Don't forget the curious thing Zachariah said in response to Dean's insistence on knowing where God was in all this planned carnage bringing the Apolcalypse about.He amswered rather haughtily,"God?God has left the building!"What exactly does that mean?As much as the demons offer no rooting interest,certainly the angelic leadership doesn't offer much to admire.To paraphrase Alistair,they seem more like sanctimonious pricks than anything else.Only "good guy" thugs compared to how horrible the demons are.
I think Zachariah was hinting that God no longer runs heaven and the angels control shit.
Remember what Uriel was saying to Castiel when he was trying to convince him to help the demons. God always favored the humans over the angels. So I don't think God would have condoned his army secretly helping Lilith release Lucifer from his cage.
Also Katie wasn't that grand of an actress. She did bad ass fine but in the moments of Malleus Malefactorum where she had to soften, she was jsut wooden and bad. I think she would've done quite poorly with season 4 Ruby. An actress switch was fine with me just should've been to different actress.
As to the question of where God was... in all honesty I think the writers (or network) didn't want to portray God in anything that could be considered an amoral fashion to prevent backfire from religious groups. I mean the CW loves firing up parents about sexual content but sullying the name of the Lord is a bit much for a highly commercial network that is almost completely dependent on teen/tween demographic.
I dont know what you meant by WIncest and Bela but I was making the point that acknowledgment of it and other things by the boys at several conventions and promotional events, was indication everyone involved with the show is aware of the large gay fanbase.
It's true that a character can be unaware of the breadth of his or her own desires. But then that character would go through a period of self discovery. To be honest and fair to a character the story would need to be an organically from his or her personality, experience, and relation to other characters. And for DEAN, raised by an ex-Marine, cowboy mentality, no self esteem, no female influences, hand picked by God, Dean it would have to be a VERY long and VERY complicated story arc. It's a story arc that the writer's don't have the time or space to tackle adequately imo at this time if they really do intend to end the show at season 5, as Kripke has said a number of times.
I say this because I haven't seen any real organic growth of the realationship that you're describing. I've seen Dean and Castiel develope a relationship in which they care deeply about each other. That need not be a sexual relationship. Perhaps Castiel, embracing emotions for the first time could easily be confused or unsure about the nature of his feelings towards Dean. In fact he could very well be gay. But Dean is quite the opposite. He's been surrounded by emotions of this and greater ferocity his entire life and it's all been platonic emotion. I think media has a habit of forcing all emotion into a romantic setting, thus the common misinterpretaion in fan fiction of the brother's familial love as sexual yearning. I think it's important to understand that all relationships need not be romantic to be deeply emotional. To sexualize a bond of friendship for our own erotic pleasure is unfair to those characters. Neither men have shown signs of homosexual interest in each other.
As for my comments about Bela the link I meant was as follows: An awareness of Wincest fans doesn't mean a condonation of it. Quite the opposite the network has insisted the writers include to young attractive female love interests as "regulars." It's clear that they were trying to A) attract more male viewers B) complicate the wincest interpretation by complicating the story with female love interests. They were trying to give shippers different pairs to cling to in hopes they'd move on from Sam/Dean.
^ I agree somewhat. If you are talking TV terms like you say, it is quite common to oversimplify relationships. Men and women who are friends often end up sleeping together or falling in love inexplicably without staying true to some grand story arc all the time. I agree that it would make the network nervous. But I dont think it would be so outrageous and implausible for the character. However in all honesty, in a post-Adam Lambert world, I think the publicity would boost ratings tremendously.
And it seems like massive stereotyping in speaking about Dean as the " son of an ex-marine, cowboy, etc.", as if that precludes him from falling for a male angel. With all due respect it seems as if you're a little blinded by your personal image of Dean.
I'm not sure if you were a Buffy fan but Willow becoming a full-on lesbian kinda happened outta nowhere. All her life she was in love with Xander, then she met Tara and 4 episodes later they were girlfriends.
No I didnt say anything about his female influence and old-fashioned views. That was def someone else. I just complained about him calling every girl he didnt like a bitch or skank. TBH the more you describe and point out things about his character the more he sounds like so many closeted guys IRL. Maintaining a tough guy image, constantly challenging Sam's manhood/heterosexuality, hiding his emotions, and desperation to please a disapproving faher are all typical of many repressed homosexuals. And I never went as far to say he is a full-on homo I just think an attraction to Cas wouldnt be that unusual. But it would "make sense" for Dean to be the gay brother out of him and Sam.It's not "stereotyping." It's me citing events from the characters history and personality traits he has shown. You yourself, earlier in this thread, have accused him of being sexist. At which pointed out that Dean's extremely old fashioned view of women sprang from the fact he had no female influences in his life and his idolization of his mother. I'm not pulling this shit out of my ass here it's written into the character. It's made implicitly clear that one of the overwhelming influences in Dean's life is John. He lives his life to please his father and John appears to be quite old fashioned. Additionally Dean puts great time and effort into masking his feelings and maintaining a very specific tough guy image. He teases Sam for his deviation from that image. It can therefore be assumed that this is how he thinks men 'should' be and NO part of that image involves homosexuality. If he had issues with his sexuality we'd have heard them by now.
If you are referring to the character from the Searchers, in my sophomore lit class we discussed the sexuality/ possible homosexuality of a lot the John Wayne's hypermasculine characters. I dont know why it needs to be a cheap ploy. Just because Dean and Anna had an emotional connection doesnt mean they needed to have sex either but they did. Maybe I didnt make it clear in the beginning but I dont think an attraction to a person defines your sexuality. I think Dean could be attracted to Castiel and not necessarily be gay. But someone who has fallen for someone else.And Willow was an angsty teenager loner/loser who was still trying to understand herself and her place in the world not a thirty year old man who has spent those years becoming the modern version of Ethan Edwards. Characters are different and as a writer if you want people to connect tot ehm you need to respect them and not use them for cheap ploys that could be "cool" or induce basal thrills. Simply because there's an emotional connections between two male characters doesn't mean they'll have the biological urges to fuck. They don't neeed to. There's nothing dimiminutive about the love between friends.
Everything you say still doesnt really dispute the core point I was trying to make is that Dean could be attracted to Castiel and not necessarily be gay. That there is something about Castiel the individual, not the male with a penis, that Dean could be attracted to.
Also, I think you are bit unable/unwilling to be objective about things concerning Dean as you are very invested in your own perception of Dean. You purport many things about Dean's psyche as fact when they are really just your interpretations of those things. It is quite possible that you are very wrong about what writers intended by certain things. Just as I could be wrong. SO often fans create complex reasoning behind fictional characters actions but the creators have something much simpler and often quite different in mind from what fans thought.
Different people read things differently. It is all a matter of opinion. When Dean got together with Anna it was not an instant lust attraction. It was connection he doesnt often have. IMO, which I am entitled to as much as you, there is a similar connection between Dean and Castiel. I believe they do have sparks. And tbh I thought Dean sleeping with Anna was bit out of place. But I guessed they needed a significant way for Dean to reclaim his libido.
As for Anna and Dean's romance: it was a matter of Dean finanly finding acceptance. Dean was coming from a dark place and just brimming with guilt. She knew what to say to him, and was the only one who did. They connected because they understood each other and out of it grew their bond. It's clearly of a greater depth then most of Dean's regular hook ups but even those bonds aren't purely lustful. In episodes like Monster Movie, The Kids Are All Right, and Windego you can see that he develops emotional connections to accompany these sexual interests.
Well we're never gonna agree. It's like Democrat vs. Republican. You are gonna continue to find faults within my argument and I will continue to do the same with yours. I was
just saying what I think.
Random news, but Sam's girlfriend who got killed by Azezal will be back for one episode in this coming season. Apparently it will be a early episode.
I am thinking it is gonna be another episode trying to get him off the demon blood and she is trying to help. Of course, you never know.
According to Ausiello we have our Satan. Merk Pellegrino (Lost and Dexter) has been cast.
Hmmmm, he will make an interesting Devil. I don't think he is what I was expecting though.
First two episode titles have been released. The premiere.... "Sympathy for the Devil" & the second "Good God Y'all"
Last season, midwestern monster-slayer show Supernatural left the heroic Winchester brothers in the middle of Armageddon. At Comic-Con, the writers and cast gave us a taste of the road ahead next season. Spoilers ahead!
Season 5 is an all-out apocalypse, according to producer Sera Gamble and showrunner Eric Kripke. "We call it the Walmart apocalypse because of our budget," Kripke joked. A lot of the epic action takes place offscreen, but there will be plenty of creative, unexpected twists on familiar Biblical stories. Gamble said it's their chance to "bring in all the A-list monsters," including Lucifer, "who will be very nice and likable." The writing team has played a lot with the concept of Lucifer, borrowing liberally from the fairly sympathetic depiction of Satan in Paradise Lost. "At one point he says he doesn't fly because he doesn't have to," Gamble said. Lucifer will be played by Lost's Mark Pellegrino.
All the trappings of the apocalypse will be turned on their heads, too. Kripke said the four horsemen of the apocalypse will be introduced in different episodes throughout the season – Gamble is currently working on the first episode featuring one, called War. "He's got great monologues," Kripke said. "At one point he says, 'I was in Germany. And then I went back to Germany. And then I was in Darfur. And then I got paged about coming here.' Also, our horsemen won't ride horses – they have muscle cars."
and if anybody gets lucky finding the 5 minute preview of season 5, pleeeeease post it!
Apparently, they're going to include God in this season as well. I wonder who they'll get to play Him...or Her?
This coming season seems like Dogma meet Neil Gaiman's Good Omens. I can't wait!!!
here goes the five minute preview.
try to ignore the talking girl. she is annoying
it was funny when she yelled "Spoilers!" but like i am gonna need to watch it again to hear everything, but i liked the end.
Thanks Apollo. It was hard to understand but it seemed really cool. DId I hear correctly and the prophet said Castiel was dead?
I trust Eric Kripke. I trust Eric Kripke. I trust Eric Kripke....
Paris Hilton has been signed to guest on Supernatural (vomit). My guess she'll be portraying God. http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watc...ar_on_cws.html
I trust Eric Kripke. I trust Eric Kripke. I trust Eric Kripke....
^Oh lord. Paris Hilton?
Well I know they love to do things that sound odd and they always come out working well. Also though Hilton's role is being kept under lock and key it's rumored the episode title is "To Hell And Back" so I think she may be used in some sort of cheap shot about her being from Hell or Hell is hearing her sing or something like that.