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    I thought the episode did its job. It told us more about what we needed to know. I have always been more of a Jensen fan but damn Jared is looking good. And that sex scene was steamy hot!

    Next week's episode looks fierce. Can't wait!

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    For what i read all around, people seems not agree on thrusday epi "heaven and hell"
    WHat do you think about it?
    Love it, hate it?I'm curious over there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vynce23 View Post
    For what i read all around, people seems not agree on thrusday epi "heaven and hell"
    WHat do you think about it?
    Love it, hate it?I'm curious over there
    Overall, I'd say it was a mediocre episode...just ok. Could've been MUCH better but it could've been worse as well. It had it's amazing moments and it's lame ass moments so...all 'n all...OK episode.

    I expected a LOT more from the fight between the Angels and the Demons. I was very disappointed! And what the fuck was wrong with Castiel? He's Uriel's boss yet Uriel's much more powerful than he is. Pff
    It did have, nonetheless, it's cool moments.

    The whole sex with an angel thing was lame. Period.

    I LOVED Pamela coming back! She only participated 2 times on the show yet she's one of my favorite characters...sassy, witty and sexy. She's awesome! Great scene! "Sam is that you? (...) You know how I know it's you? *grabs his ass* Because of that perky little ass of yours"

    The final scene...was the highlight of the episode. Amazing scene! Jensen really delivered a solid and great performance there!

    What I feel about the last two episodes is that they were incredibly rushed...wich is one thing I despise and fucking hate! The episode before this one was fucking horribly done! One of the worst episodes ever in Supernatural. This one, although much better, still failed to impress and be consistent. The season started with a bang and pure awesomeness. But after the first episodes it started to lose interest (those comic episodes were so fucking out of place it's not even funny...complete and utter fillers...disgustingly done! Wtf were they thinking? Butchering the show? By the looks of it...they might succeed!). I'm disappointed at the direction they're taking the ****** When it began it seemed like it was going to be the very best season of Supernatural but as it stands as of now...not so sure anymore. Hopefully, the holiday break will give them time to put their act together and treat the show with the decency that it deserves.
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    I loved this episode. It was great. I'm not the kind who needs a lot of flash in the pan though. I've never watched this show (or any) for it's action sequences. I thought it was a really strong narrative and I thought it was told well. The only issue I had was that new Ruby's bad acting kept pulling me out of it.... because DAMN was that acting bad.

    I also felt a bit cheated at the end when it was revealed that Dean, Ruby and Sam were working in unison rather than it be Ruby betraying them and Dean caving to protect Sam. I don't know. It just felt a little cheap to me. I was also expecting a little more in the line of Alistair/Dean interaction but I'm fine with what I got.

    On the issue of Dean and Anna I thought it was an excellent idea and it feels very right for both characters. It was good to pair Dean up with a fleeting love interest that contrasted so strongly with him. I've been on Supernatural boards before and I think a lot of people get pissed if Dean has any love interest whatsoever simply because... well they want to be his love interest (there I said it). I don't think that's the case with most fans or anyone here but there's that sect out there that gets all fussy when Dean's with anyone. There's also a sect that gets all huffy if Sam and Dean aren't the solution for EVERYTHING and I'm sure there are people out there who are bitter about the fact it was Anna who got Dean to open up and not Sam. It only makes sense thought that being as ashamed of himself as Dean was there's no way he would open up spontaneously. It had to come from someone who all ready knew what he did and started in by assuring him he was OK. It just makes sense with the characters and who they are.

    Also my gut tells me that Anna could very well be back in an angelic capacity... however she will be cold and emotionless and will lack her connection with Dean, who will still have feelings for her. I could definitely see that coming into play if for instance next time it's time to destroy a whole city it's Anna who's giving the order. That will really send Dean's head spinning in the right vs wrong, heaven vs hell arena.

    I should add that it was refreshing seeing a young attractive actress who CAN act on this show and Julie McNiven can. She's so far above the drek they normally get. Not since Nicki Aycox have I been so pleased with their casting of a young attractive female.

    ALSO I was FLOORED by the remark in the show that Uriel was below not only Anna but Castiel. I just always assumed that Uriel was an Arch Angel. There was nothing to indicate it directly but given my knowledge of Christianity it seemed the only logical conclusion when one keeps in mind just how consistent the show has been with lore.

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    hell freakin yeah
    JENSENS BACK i mean supernaturals back :P
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    Oh yeah Jensen's back!!!!!!!
    Love it too

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    Jensen really did a excellent work in the end
    The last scene is just wow
    I like the epi too
    At this part of the season i love how they mix the whole good/bad evil/angels
    The help coming from Ruby a demon and the angels as the antagonist or the bad guys
    It just make me thought even more than there are something more behind Ruby's intentions and that she's not good.
    I'm not really a fan of Cortese either even if i find her a little better in this epi
    One month and half waiting will be long for sure

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    just finally caught up on the last 3 shows this weekend, and all i can say is WOW!!! i was kinda hesitant about the whole "angels" things, but now i'm absolutely HOOKED!!! Jared and Jensen have both been putting in really solid performances this season, but Jensen just nailed his scenes in this weeks closer. it is going to SUCK, waiting until January for new episodes!!!

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    i loved the episode too. My only criticism is Sam's lack of concern for Ruby's well-being. We know they had sex at least once so it seems strange that Sam isnt that nice to her. When she was nearly killed by Uriel Dean had to save her and when she was tortured and and still in rough shape to help them he didnt seem to care at all. It seems very uncharacteristic of him because he is the emotional one. I'm not saying he should be putting rosepetals in her bath but, arent they friends at least?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aijalon18 View Post
    i loved the episode too. My only criticism is Sam's lack of concern for Ruby's well-being. We know they had sex at least once so it seems strange that Sam isnt that nice to her. When she was nearly killed by Uriel Dean had to save her and when she was tortured and and still in rough shape to help them he didnt seem to care at all. It seems very uncharacteristic of him because he is the emotional one. I'm not saying he should be putting rosepetals in her bath but, arent they friends at least?
    It's a valid poin but I understand the reasoning for both.

    1.) You have to remember that the opening sequence was coming right off last weeks episode, which was primarily about Dean and Sam arguing over Ruby's role. I think the writers wanted Dean to be the one to step in and defend her simply as a sign that Dean is coming around to the idea of accepting Ruby and to show that he truly feels indebted to her for her treatment/protection of Sam. Also when it comes to dealing with ANYONE Dean's always the more careless one, the one more likely to act without thinking purely on emotion. When you compound this with the fact that it was the angels, who Dean is more comfortable/familiar around then Sam it does make sense that he'd be the one to intervene.

    2.) I think that largely was just a result of the SURPRISE they did it together element. All three of them were very... shrug who cares after... I personally didn't like that twist period. I didn't have anything against them working together but I think as a surprise it fell flat... or maybe I just still want Ruby to be evil.

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    I really liked the first part of this story, but I wasn't so into the second episode.

    Personally I think the revelation of Anna being an angel kind of killed it. I found the story a lot more interesting when she was supposedly just a human. Also before, I thought they were handling the Angel stuff well in kind of a subtle way, but now with things like 'fallen angels' and 'grace' they're coming on a bit too heavy.

    Dean's story about hell was interesting. But what bothers me is that apart from certain key scenes, he's basically the same character he always was which is kinda weird after 40 or so years in hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amethyst View Post
    I really liked the first part of this story, but I wasn't so into the second episode.

    Personally I think the revelation of Anna being an angel kind of killed it. I found the story a lot more interesting when she was supposedly just a human. Also before, I thought they were handling the Angel stuff well in kind of a subtle way, but now with things like 'fallen angels' and 'grace' they're coming on a bit too heavy.

    Dean's story about hell was interesting. But what bothers me is that apart from certain key scenes, he's basically the same character he always was which is kinda weird after 40 or so years in hell.
    Dean's life on earth has been 20+ years of hell if you actually think about it the pattern of his life is just horrible horrible things happening around him constantly and most frequently the very worst things happen to the few people he cares most about. It's horribly depressing and why he was an atheist. It's also the reason why he's the same... his entire life has been an act. His personality, his tough guy, hard-ass, machoness has always been an act to please his macho father and hide a truly wounded child, this much was apparent as early as "Dead in the Water." It only make sense for him to try all the harder to be this tough guy coming off this trauma. Dean is the type of person who hides their wounds and fears (It's why the smart ass comments always fly fastest in face of true trauma/danger) and he'd be working time and half to seem like he's fine.

    The writers have made it very apparent that he's struggling to hide and repress his trauma, peppering in flashbacks since the beginning of the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falconfan View Post
    or maybe I just still want Ruby to be evil.
    I'm kinda agree with you. For me she is still evil
    Since a few episodes angels and everything who was suppose to help seems to be the bad guys and Ruby who is a demon are like their only help
    For the second part of the season or the end i'm waiting more for something like "we are wrong all the way"
    I think Castiel are right and Dean and Sam don't see the whole picture.
    I usually don't like going that way and i don't know if you watched Buffy but last epi remind me a little the season 7.
    In season 5 Buffy refuse the sacrifice her sister for saving the world and died
    In season 7 when she finally "understand" her mission, Giles asked her if she would had made things different and she answered "yes she would have sacrifice Dawn.
    Anyway for coming back to Ruby, i think she totally know how Sam will end if he keep going using his power and this is exactly what she wants.
    And if i'm not a big fan of evil Sam the most funny if he end up bad is that he would be the one who kill her!!!!lmao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vynce23 View Post
    I'm kinda agree with you. For me she is still evil
    Since a few episodes angels and everything who was suppose to help seems to be the bad guys and Ruby who is a demon are like their only help
    For the second part of the season or the end i'm waiting more for something like "we are wrong all the way"
    I think Castiel are right and Dean and Sam don't see the whole picture.
    I usually don't like going that way and i don't know if you watched Buffy but last epi remind me a little the season 7.
    In season 5 Buffy refuse the sacrifice her sister for saving the world and died
    In season 7 when she finally "understand" her mission, Giles asked her if she would had made things different and she answered "yes she would have sacrifice Dawn.
    Anyway for coming back to Ruby, i think she totally know how Sam will end if he keep going using his power and this is exactly what she wants.
    And if i'm not a big fan of evil Sam the most funny if he end up bad is that he would be the one who kill her!!!!lmao
    Well Castiel and Ruby are parallel characters. Castiel is Dean's Ruby just as Ruby is Sam's Castiel. Even the characters of Ruby and Castiel are unsure of themselves. They aren't certain in their own sides and just go through motion.

    At the end of the day I think they're going to discover neither side is right (Ruby has been just as vicious as the angel's think Jus in Bello). I forsee it being revealed that Ruby had every intention to be manipulative but out of it grew genuine feelings for Sam which made her waver... I hope that's not the way they play it though because that is SO predictable and bland. If she's going to be a bitch I want her to be full time, supermanipulative, super powerful, super bitch. Her just being a nice demon also seems wishy-washy to me at this point.

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    You know, a thought hit me not too long ago. I'm just gonna throw this out there: If Lilith succeeds in her attempt to free Lucifer, it's more than likely that he'll need a vessel to walk the earth--just like any other angel or demon. We know that Azazel was preparing Sam for some secret goal of his. Who's to say that he wasn't working in league with Lilith the entire time? Maybe Sam's role in Azazel's scheme is to be Lucifer's vessel. I mean, he was supposed to lead Azazel's army way back when, perhaps that was merely a precursor of what was to come. Is that why the angels are so dead set against him using his demonic powers--even though he is using them against the enemy? Maybe they are afraid that if he gets too comfortable embracing his dark side, he'll be that much easier to corrupt.

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    ^^I've thought of that ever since the 3rd or 4th episode of this season. I'm convinced Sam's going to become Lucifer in the end...wich is gonna be awesome!

    And wouldn't it be cool if Dean's gonna be God's vessel...so that God himself and Lucifer can fight? That would be awesome! I mean, why else were they so interested in saving Dean and made a huge fuss about it when he was saved? And no, not to influence Sam not to use his powers (they could that themselves easily)...there's something else behind them saving Dean, something they're not telling us. Either he becomes a vessel for God (yes I know it's kinda over the top but it could happen...) or an archangel or something. But they DO have something BIG planned for him...I mean, God HIMSELF commanded Dean to be saved!
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    It could be that they make Dean an angel themselves. According to Jewish and Christian tradition (or mythology, however you want to look at it), they did the same with Enoch and Elijah--who the angels brought to heaven and made into the archangels Metatron and Sandalphon, respectively. I don't know, maybe that's a bit of a reach.

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    IDK about all that. My gut tells me Lucifer will be maintained. I don't know any networks, especially ones geared primarily at tweens, who would be comfortable letting their shows have Satan and God having a wrestling match. I mean you do have to remember that this is a very serious stuff to alot of people and networks are aware of this.

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    ^^Yeah, you're probably right. *sigh* Well, it was just a thought.

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    Not that serious stuff but ok...

    I hope Lucifer breaks free. Now it would be cool for a next season to have hell broken loose on Earth and have this resistance fighting the demons and what not. Yes, a bit cliche but so is a fight between heaven and hell and earth stuck in between...actually, there's probably nothing more cliche than that so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fucker29 View Post
    Not that serious stuff but ok...

    I hope Lucifer breaks free. Now it would be cool for a next season to have hell broken loose on Earth and have this resistance fighting the demons and what not. Yes, a bit cliche but so is a fight between heaven and hell and earth stuck in between...actually, there's probably nothing more cliche than that so...
    I think to for Sam being Lucifer' vessel. In epi 3 when the yed said that open the door of hell was just the beginning i thought about the 66 seals
    I'm don't know if they can do something like Hell on earth like it could cost a lot.
    The last scene of the season cost like some thousand dollars and this is the reason they said we would not have flashback of Dean in hell.
    As for God mission for Dean, i think we all wait for something like Dean is the one who can stop his brother
    I'm not sure i'm up for a whole season for bro against bro. There are only two main character in that show and it repose a lot of their relationship so..

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    Something interesting about the "sex" scenes in contrasting between Ruby/Sam and Anna/Dean.

    Ruby and Sam's scene was very animalistic, desperate, and demonic where Dean and Anna was very angelic, sweet and slow. I thought that was an amazing way to film the two different scenes.

    I am glad that we finally got to know what Dean went through and we now get a sense of why he is still so "hell" bent on not believing in God. With the things he had to do it must have made him question God even more.

    And dammit why do we have to wait over a month to have more episodes!!!

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    There are tons of supernatural vids on youtube and typically I'm not one to take much notice of them but while looking for a specific clip I came across this video that someone made and I have to say for some reason (perhaps because I LOVE Jeff Buckley's "Hallelujah") I really like it.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5vcAOEPwEg[/ame]

    Enjoy

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    TEASER/SPOILER of interest.... http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watc...ts_out_of.html

    Kristin's cryptic spoilerish words about Supernatural are halfway down the page next to the picture of (who else) Jared.

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    The folk over at Supernatural have released the following Christmas video http://www.buddytv.com/articles/supe...s-c-25417.aspx

    It's a little hint that those favorite recurring characters of mine (and Kripkes) the "ghostfacers" will be reappearing sometime this season.

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    ^^Oh, that was awesome!!!

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    I thought tonight's episode blew big time. It was so painfully boring. The only thing that got me through it was all the My Bloody Valentine commericals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aijalon18 View Post
    I thought tonight's episode blew big time. It was so painfully boring. The only thing that got me through it was all the My Bloody Valentine commericals.
    Yeah definitiely one of my least favorite and NOT the one to come back on. I was particularly bothered by the plausability of these people so readily excepting two complete strangers who had lied to them once before and claimed to be "ghost hunters." I mean typically people are forced to take the brother's seriously because of the extremely odd circumstances that leave them with no other option but this time not so much. I'm not buying that there was no phone, no reception for anyone, no explanation for the brother's existance... and Dean's discussion with Sam at the end was poorly acted because it wasn't grounded in the material.

    It makes perfect sense for Dean to be going through some sort of association problem realizing that these people are the result of their surrounding but it's a) not necessary b) reminiscent of SAM'S demon nature issues that have been dealt wiht AGAIN and AGAIN in the story c) It's not at ALL reflected in this episode. It's pulled out of the air at the end.

    It seems to me like this is just bad writing. It was pitched in a way that just didn't pan out when it was written and worse yet it was written by Jeremy Carver!!! The guy who wrote "In The Beginning" one of the best episodes of the season if not the series!! It was just disappointing.

    You'd think that they could use this as a way for Dean to RELATE to Sam's fears of becoming a demon and empathisize and apologize for being so stern in the past. If they want him to show remorse that would be, to me, a far better way than a random baseless confession at the end of a slow episode.

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    Great episode and I have the hots for both brothers. They would be great to enjoy solo or together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falconfan View Post
    Yeah definitiely one of my least favorite and NOT the one to come back on. I was particularly bothered by the plausability of these people so readily excepting two complete strangers who had lied to them once before and claimed to be "ghost hunters." I mean typically people are forced to take the brother's seriously because of the extremely odd circumstances that leave them with no other option but this time not so much. I'm not buying that there was no phone, no reception for anyone, no explanation for the brother's existance... and Dean's discussion with Sam at the end was poorly acted because it wasn't grounded in the material.

    It makes perfect sense for Dean to be going through some sort of association problem realizing that these people are the result of their surrounding but it's a) not necessary b) reminiscent of SAM'S demon nature issues that have been dealt wiht AGAIN and AGAIN in the story c) It's not at ALL reflected in this episode. It's pulled out of the air at the end.

    It seems to me like this is just bad writing. It was pitched in a way that just didn't pan out when it was written and worse yet it was written by Jeremy Carver!!! The guy who wrote "In The Beginning" one of the best episodes of the season if not the series!! It was just disappointing.

    You'd think that they could use this as a way for Dean to RELATE to Sam's fears of becoming a demon and empathisize and apologize for being so stern in the past. If they want him to show remorse that would be, to me, a far better way than a random baseless confession at the end of a slow episode.
    I agree completely it was a fuckin mess. They didnt really add anything new with Dean's experience in hell. He basically covered this in the last episode. Plus I just can't get over the fact that there was nothing really supernatural in the episode. This "people under the stairs" bullshit is not gonna cut it. And Dean randomly repeating that phrase about how "humans/people are bad." It was almost like a different ******

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    IMO, they're ruining this season...and, mind you, this season had the potential to be the best season so far. I don't know what's wrong with the writers of the ******..the season started with a bang and now it's a mess.

    For this season, they REALLY should cut back on the stand alone episodes. Considering how they started the season, the storyline and character development...stand alone episodes don't make sense anymore.
    This season has a very powerful background storyline, very different from the previous seasons, has a bigger picture to it, and, IMO, all episodes should be somehow related to it. It's just that this season's storyline has a gradual development and growth type of feel to it...and the stand alone episodes interrupt and get in the way of that development...they simply don't make sense now. It's just bad writing. Period.
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    Wow tonight's episode kinda sucked too. I've never disliked 2 in a row before. Are they trying to get canceled?

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    I didn't have any problem with tonight's episode. It wasn't an amazing one but it was good for me. I think it was fairly good at manufacture the proper emotional response.

    Perhaps you might've disliked it because it wasn't as much about the brothers as it was about the magicians. There was very little Sam/Dean brother time, you know the light banter kind that works as a sort of hook for the series not the serious heavy brother time. I don't have a problem with it being dialed down now and then but I know some people do. They needed to give proper emotional grounding for evil Sam to come.

    The magic thing reminded me a bit of the reaper episode only with a gimmick slapped on top but I'm chill with that because if you can have more than one vamp episode or more than one Trickster episode I think you can revisit a similar MO.

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    I feel like I'm pretty open minded with the ****** I do like standalones. I even like Ghostfacers which a lot of people didnt like. This one was so boring to me. I actually fell asleep. I never fall asleep during supernatural.

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    So I totally watched this past episode for the title alone "Criss Angel Is A Douche Bag" & I thought it was an ok episode.

    Though I don't really follow the show on a regular basis, the thing that stood out for me was at the end of the epi - the older magician they helped said something like "I killed my best friend because it was the right thing & now I'll die old & alone" (or something close to that right?)

    That seemed like the most progressive dialog story-wise with whichever brother may/will go evil eventually - which I just noticed some have already pointed out LoL

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    I haven't had a chance yet to watch either of the two new eps, but from the sounds of them, do you think they might be trying to avoid getting too heavily into the mythology after two months off in case new viewers are jumping on? It seems like some of the television series that have often relied on story arcs are a little gun shy this season after so many people jumped ship from the major networks after the writer's strike, and with a possible SAG strike coming, maybe they didn't want to get too heavily into the ongoing storyline right off the bat.

    Just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killjoke View Post
    I haven't had a chance yet to watch either of the two new eps, but from the sounds of them, do you think they might be trying to avoid getting too heavily into the mythology after two months off in case new viewers are jumping on? It seems like some of the television series that have often relied on story arcs are a little gun shy this season after so many people jumped ship from the major networks after the writer's strike, and with a possible SAG strike coming, maybe they didn't want to get too heavily into the ongoing storyline right off the bat.

    Just a thought.
    Well if they are just going to run three or four episodes and then go on another hiatus it wouldn't make too much sense for them to get deep into the mythology but that's fine with me. I miss the good old days when you'd have a premise that would give rise to weekly episodes and maybe 5 or 6 episodes a season that contribute to a major storyline... you know like Buffy would kill some sort of vampire/monster/thing everyweek or Mulder and Scully would solve a case a week and every now and then throughout the season OH SHIT stuff. Without the episodic stuff you just don't get the same depth of character. Everyone's all running around on adrenaline. That's what I hate about the modern concept of drama.... every week is fucking sweeps week! They just need to calm down because the end result is a cluttered storyline full of twists to nowhere and poorly drawn characters who after a few seasons just come off as whiny, obnoxious, and annoying. (I'm looking at you Lost and Heroes)

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    Quote Originally Posted by falconfan View Post
    Well if they are just going to run three or four episodes and then go on another hiatus it wouldn't make too much sense for them to get deep into the mythology but that's fine with me. I miss the good old days when you'd have a premise that would give rise to weekly episodes and maybe 5 or 6 episodes a season that contribute to a major storyline... you know like Buffy would kill some sort of vampire/monster/thing everyweek or Mulder and Scully would solve a case a week and every now and then throughout the season OH SHIT stuff. Without the episodic stuff you just don't get the same depth of character. Everyone's all running around on adrenaline. That's what I hate about the modern concept of drama.... every week is fucking sweeps week! They just need to calm down because the end result is a cluttered storyline full of twists to nowhere and poorly drawn characters who after a few seasons just come off as whiny, obnoxious, and annoying. (I'm looking at you Lost and Heroes)
    Agree wholeheartedly, ff. I like a series where the characters get wiser and grow in depth over time, rather that concept dramas where the plot gets more convoluted over time, but the characters either don't change, or get worse.

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    This is my favourite show of all time!

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    A. HORRIBLE NEWS

    Kim Manners, frequent director, co-executive producers, and one of the most influence voice in the series has passed.

    B. On a much lighter note, I was very pleased with tonight's episode. A good Sam episode was long overdue. (As is Ruby... she needs to pop back in soon). There were a couple scenes that I think crossed the we playing off the cheesiness inherent in the story/we're actually being cheesy line. I'm specifically thinking about the chanting after Sam beat up the kid and the scene after where he walked down the hall. I think there were better ways to communicate the sentiments those scenes were trying to without being so hyperbolic. That being said I think the base story was very good. Not many bump in the night moments but I enjoyed it. The youth acting was actually pretty good and they managed to find kids that really did resemble Jared and Jensen.

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    I really liked this episode! It makes me a little sad because I had a similar spec script in mind about a leanan sidhe but I guess I should be happy I'm thinking on the same wavelength as paid writers (even if mine would've been more hilarious)

    It was fairly action packed, had enough mystery to really keep you unsure. But what I love most about this episode is that they didn't pussy out. It would've been SO easy for the writer to pull some weak crap about the boys just breaking free of the spell through the power of their emotional bond and knifing the siren. But they DIDN'T!!!! I couldn't be more happy. And the way bother characters still refused to address their issues at the end of the episode... SO perfect, so in character, so not a cheap horrible way out.

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    I was so excited to get a $50 Visa gift card for Christmas, and I finally spent it--on Season 3. It was $48.00 bucks at Best Buy, one of the best prices I've found locally. I got it home and watched it all weekend--then was pissed when I realized there were only five discs instead of six because of the writer's strike.

    I spent a full DVD series price for a five disc set, and I didn't even get the version that had the episodes digitally so you could put them on a portable media player.

    I feel screwed. It's a good thing most of last season was good.

    Oh--and I hated Ghostfacers. Not because it was lame; I actually enjoyed it mostly. No, I hated it because of how they treated one of the few gay characters the show has had in its four season run. If his final act had been in a serious episode, it would have had impact, but as it was, he was just part of a big joke. And gay is used as a joke quite often with the ******

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    ^I did like Ghostfaces but did hate how the gay character was treated.

    But how bout the homoeroticism of tonight's episode. This is the first one I've liked since they started showing new episodes again. Although i did suspect the guy was the Siren as soon as he started getting moist over Dean's car. It was pretty funny and hot how the bros were fighting over a guy and whoever survived would be his forever. Supernatural creators are quite aware of their big gay following and I think they sometimes like to tease those fans. Jared and Jensen have mentioned their awareness of "Wincest" in a few interviews. My only complaint was that Ruby wasnt in the actual episode. But now I'm sad I dont think there will be a new one for a while.

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    The show is terrible right now. If it continues on this pitiful path, I'm giving up on it. I don't know what the FUCK they're thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fucker29 View Post
    The show is terrible right now. If it continues on this pitiful path, I'm giving up on it. I don't know what the FUCK they're thinking.
    I have no idea what you're talking about. I like the past two episodes. The one they returned on was particularly weak but there wasn't anything wrong with this week or last week.

    If I recall from you're early post it's the fact that the show isn't dealing with teh major story arch directly that upsets you? If that's the case well look at the X-Files or Buffy, amazing sci-fi shows, touched on the major story arch directly in maybe 5 or 6 episodes a season. Now look at Heroes, horrible sci-fi show, does nothing BUT deals with the major story arch and has become horribly convuluted, full or maddening characters, and terribly uninteresting character archs.

    For years and years before the dawn of the super-drama with 24 and Desperate Houswives quickly after. And the result of a slow build of characters who show genuine change and emotion. Who you can relate to and storylines that are intensely interesting. Now shows get bloated by season two. Sophmore slumps have never slumped further down. With shows like Lost and Heros characters are QUICKLY ruined because they're forced to make DUMB decisions to keep these stupid plot archs constantly running instead of building to a climax. It's a horrible trend in television and I for one I'm glad there are shows that still follow a classical format.

    What I don't get though is why this would be a problem in season 4? All 3 season followed a classical dramatic set-up wiht myth-arc episodes sprinkled amongst weekly adventures that build characters. If you look at the episodes that deal with major plot from the past it's about

    Season 1 (7/22): Pilot (1), Home (9), Scarecrow (11), Shadow (16), Dead Man's Blood (20), Salvation (21), Devil's Trap (22)

    Season 2 (6/22): In My Time Of Dying (1), Simon Said (5), Croatoan (9), Born Under A Bad Sign (14), All Hell Breaks Loose Pt.1 (21), and All Hell Breaks Loose Pt. 2 (22)

    Season 3 (4/16): Magnificent Seven (1), Malleus Maleficarum (9), Jus in Bello (12), No Rest For The Wicked (16)

    Season 4 so far (5/14): Lazarus Rising (1), In The Beginning (3), It's The Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester (7), I Know What You Did Last Summer (9), Heaven and Hell (10)

    Depending on whether you count the Halloween Episode (I do because it's got the reveal about Castiels orders being listening to Dean) or not than they're actually ahead of the normal pacing for myth arc episodes. The middle of hte season is always when it's been most episodic.

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    As for Corbett, I really was never offended by the way it was portrayed. I think it was all done in a kind of cute way. In fact that episode was nominated for an award from GLAD so I doubt I'm the only one who felt that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falconfan View Post
    As for Corbett, I really was never offended by the way it was portrayed. I think it was all done in a kind of cute way. In fact that episode was nominated for an award from GLAD so I doubt I'm the only one who felt that.
    I dont think Corbin's portrayl was offensive or prejudiced, it was just disappointing that creators, who are aware of their large gay fan base treated the first gay character so carelessly imo. Sure he wasnt gay bashed. But he was kinda treated in a childish Beavis and Butthead, "that gay kid likes you" sorta way. And GLAAD is kinda pathetic in a way. They give awards to sstraight people for doing anything remotely gay, like having a gay makeup artist. A couple years back they gave Jen Aniston some kinda person of the year award. WTF does she do for gay people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aijalon18 View Post
    I dont think Corbin's portrayl was offensive or prejudiced, it was just disappointing that creators, who are aware of their large gay fan base treated the first gay character so carelessly imo. Sure he wasnt gay bashed. But he was kinda treated in a childish Beavis and Butthead, "that gay kid likes you" sorta way. And GLAAD is kinda pathetic in a way. They give awards to sstraight people for doing anything remotely gay, like having a gay makeup artist. A couple years back they gave Jen Aniston some kinda person of the year award. WTF does she do for gay people?
    Well none of the ghostfacers characters are taken seriously. That's the point of them. They're meant to be punch lines. And I really don't think it was presented in a way where it was suppose to be humorous that the character was gay and had a crush. I didn't see that at all. They treated it like any other unrequited love story. I mean they didn't ignore the nature of it... "You need to go be gay for that poor dead intern."... but you can't not acknowledge it and to just mention it with kid gloves in passing I think it more cowardly and less respectful than treating it as if it were the plague and you couldn't touch it. I mean it's the nature of the characters as Sam points out...
    "Yeah, I mean, it's bizarre how y'all are able to, uh, to honor Corbett's memory while grossly exploiting the manner of his death. Well done."

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    Didn't say I was offended by the portrayal of the character. I said I hated how he was treated as just a big joke. We finally get a somewhat substantial gay guest character on the show, and it's during a big dumb storyline. He also got one of the more graphic onscreen deaths--a metal rod shoved through his neck. I actually thought, "No, they did not just kill a sympathetic male character with a rod through his throat." Nope, no "deep throat cocksucker" subliminal message going on there.

    We're just supposed to always think it's cute how people assume Sam and Dean are gay, and watch Dean squirm when they do. I love the show, but it grows a little tiring the way this happens.

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    There's a very active fanbase and the one liners about Sam and Dean being a couple is just a little shout out to them in the same way the fake names is a shout out to their love of classic rock.

    As far as the pipe to the throat, I don't think that's anything more than a pipe to the throat. I could see where you could say it's a subliminal cock sucking thing but I don't by it. It's not like they shoved it down his throat. I think it had more to do with the way the character was positioned and lit as dictated by the need for him to be wearing a little hat life and being tied to a chair.

    Alos the character HAD to be sympathetic and his death HAD to be graphic or the death echo sequence falls apart. Because we have to be OK with Corbett saving the day rather than Sam and Dean. For that we need to feel for him. We also have to be routing for him to be broken out of the death echo. And the more we're attached to him and the more gruesome the death is the stronger will be the audiences desire for him to be freed of that torment.

    I also don't think he was the first gay character. In All Hell Break's Loose Pt. 1 wasn't that one girl a lesbian? She said she touched her girlfriend and she died. I guess you could take it as being the girlfriend=close friend thing but that's not how I did.

    I also think they had ulterior motives when they made this episode. I know Kripke LOVES these characters. I know Kripke has a talent deal with the CW. I wouldn't be surprised if he wants us to get emotionally invested in these characters because he wants to pitch a spin off.

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