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    Quote Originally Posted by aijalon18 View Post
    Is Madison that werewolf cougar who Sam had sex with that time?

    Anywho It's especially disappointing that the show is taking this direction because Eric Kripke always maintained that they would NEVER go this route with angels and an ultra holy crusade.
    She is indeed.

    I was surprised aswell but I don't think it's really going and "ultra holy" way. It's not very hokey and bible thumping and the angel's are certainly not being portrayed as the all-loving good guys. My spider sense tell me that Dean and Sam will be gradually pulled to opposite sides of this war (each side showing an unquestionably ruthless and vicious attitude)... big reveal about Sam... and then the brothers move back together finding themselves at the center.

    In shorty I suspect the angels will be portrayed as brutal and vicious and not the ideal. The rug may even come out from under all this if we learn that Castiel isn't an "angel" at all down the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neoachilles View Post
    ^^^Yeah, I'm hoping they show some of the other Fallen Angels, not just demons.
    your wish comes true in episode 7 Neoachilles!!

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    The Winchesters investigate a series of occurrences related to a coven that worships the Celtic demon Samhain. Sam manages to get on the bad side of two fallen angels in the process when he's told the job is meant for Dean and Dean alone but interferes anyway.
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    Yay!!! And I will not be reading the spoilers, because I want to be surprised.

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    Okay, so I'm weak--I can't wait for Episode 7!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by falconfan View Post
    She is indeed.

    I was surprised aswell but I don't think it's really going and "ultra holy" way. It's not very hokey and bible thumping and the angel's are certainly not being portrayed as the all-loving good guys. My spider sense tell me that Dean and Sam will be gradually pulled to opposite sides of this war (each side showing an unquestionably ruthless and vicious attitude)... big reveal about Sam... and then the brothers move back together finding themselves at the center.

    In shorty I suspect the angels will be portrayed as brutal and vicious and not the ideal. The rug may even come out from under all this if we learn that Castiel isn't an "angel" at all down the road.
    Yea I'm thinkin Sam and Dean are gonna be pulled to opposite sides. That seemed to be brewing for a while. But now since it seems Sam's relationship with Ruby has grown he has a connection to the demonis side. But it was getting very hokey with all this talk about Dean not having enough faith and god calling on him.

    I'm hoping you're right that the angels will be very different from the fuzzy, white wings, rescuing babies we tend to think about at christmas time.

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    So some evil evil thoughts occurred to me today. Kripke's comments are at times double layered (ie. When he said Sam and Dean are like Luke and Han Solo, it appeared he was talking about their personalities but now that the story has unfolded we see it can also be reference to Sam's powers, his temptation to the darkside, (and imo his true paternity). So when he said that he didn't plan on using angels of the devil or such it might not be as simple as he changed his mind... he could not be using angels, the devil, and such. Which leads me to wicked thoughts about Castiel:

    Theory A) All is as it seems

    Theory B) The MEG theory. In season two we learned that Meg was back with a vengance and more than a few tricks up her sleeve. If you remember she was IMMUNE to the devil's trap and I don't think it's a stretch to think she's learned a few other things as well (IE an immunity to the knife). Also Meg knows the way out of hell because she got out herself. With Meg's sworn mission to get back at Dean how wicked would it be if we learned towards the end of all this that she simply wished to get his hopes up and crush his spirit, to continue the mental punishment she started in "Born Under A Bad Sign?" Improbable... yes. Intruging... hell yes.

    Theory C) Trickster theory- Dean isn't out of hell. Dean isn't back from the dead. This Dean is just a creation of the trickster no more substantial than any of his other illusions. In "Mystery Spot" the trickster showed he had a vested interest in the outcome of this battle and he cautioned Sam about going over the edge. When Sam began to do such the trickster may have intervened as "Castiel" in an attempt to stop Sam's backsliding to evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aijalon18 View Post
    Yea I'm thinkin Sam and Dean are gonna be pulled to opposite sides. That seemed to be brewing for a while. But now since it seems Sam's relationship with Ruby has grown he has a connection to the demonis side. But it was getting very hokey with all this talk about Dean not having enough faith and god calling on him.

    I'm hoping you're right that the angels will be very different from the fuzzy, white wings, rescuing babies we tend to think about at christmas time.
    Dude he killed all the people at the diner and burned their eyes out... that doesn't say fuzzy white wings, rescuing babies to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falconfan View Post
    Dude he killed all the people at the diner and burned their eyes out... that doesn't say fuzzy white wings, rescuing babies to me.
    also in episode two, Ruby says that angels smite first then ask questions!!
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    I hope this story arc is more exciting and less predictable than every other season. I love the relationship between the brothers and the dialogue - but come on, there hasn't really been a decent storyline. Well they sounded decent, then they just weren't. I hope this one will be good, episode 1 and 2 shows it may well be - which is good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chosen View Post
    I hope this story arc is more exciting and less predictable than every other season. I love the relationship between the brothers and the dialogue - but come on, there hasn't really been a decent storyline. Well they sounded decent, then they just weren't. I hope this one will be good, episode 1 and 2 shows it may well be - which is good!
    Supernatural doesn't follow the current "Shock and Awe" method of storytelling and I for one couldn't be happier about not having nonsensical "twists" dropped on my head for shock value. Kripke and his team rely heavily on character drama and make frequent use of foreshadowing to give the viewer a general sense of where things are going without spelling it out. I loved the first three seasons and the over arching storylines contained in them, seasons 2 and 3 particularly. I don't know about you but I didn't anticipate: John selling his soul, "He said I may have to kill ya Sammy", a psychich death match, Dean's deal, Ruby's revealation about demons being hell bound humans, or Sam to kill Gordon. I think it's done very well. Maintaining a delicate balance of coherency, character, and shock.

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    This week's episode kicked ass. I loved getting to see Dean's parents in their youth. And I loved how they had Dean's mother, Mary, as a hunter, and made John the clueless civilian. Great episode, I thought--especially at the end. That Castiel is one hot number.

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    I was completely floored by the lack of Sammy in this episode. I loved it to death but that's because I love Dean. Not since "All Hell Breaks Loose Pt 1" have the writers allowed one brother to dominate the storyline/screen time. That being said I'm loving this season more and more with each episode. And LOVED getting the answers about Sam finally. And what's most amazing is that the current storyline is so engrossing they're really not even like the most important part of the episode.

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    This was seriously one of the best episodes of the entire series. I love that 4 seasons in, the story is still revolving around what happened in the very first episode. The last couple of seasons I've almost given up on this show and felt that the writing was just awful, but this episode was one of the best I've watched in any TV show.

    I don't believe that any of these plot details were planned right from the very beginning, but the mythology is fitting together so well.
    It's kind of a shame that the next episode looks to be another monster-of-the-week thing, but I now have higher hopes for season 4

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    Quote Originally Posted by amethyst View Post
    This was seriously one of the best episodes of the entire series. I love that 4 seasons in, the story is still revolving around what happened in the very first episode. The last couple of seasons I've almost given up on this show and felt that the writing was just awful, but this episode was one of the best I've watched in any TV show.

    I don't believe that any of these plot details were planned right from the very beginning, but the mythology is fitting together so well.
    It's kind of a shame that the next episode looks to be another monster-of-the-week thing, but I now have higher hopes for season 4
    Erik Kripke planned the basics out from square one. I through work happen to own the unedited pilot (which I am legally forbidden from copying or redistributing) and that scene used as a big reveal in the season 2 finale (the one where Mary looks to the demon and says "you") is in the original pilot. They filmed it then and saved it for later use.

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    I love the fresh new dimension this season. Usually shows get stale by the 4th season but Supernatural is getting better all the time. Seriously one of the best shows on TV.



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    Let's get shallow--how hot was young John Winchester? I mean Future John is a total DILF, but I just wanted to reach into the TV screen and tear all that cumbersome clothing off his younger self. And I am really digging the dude playing Castiel.

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    I haven't seen Season 3 yet. bhs said he might get me it for my Birthday!

    *crosses fingers*

    Also: Sam Winchester is the cutest and hottest Winchester. That is all.

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    This season is definitely looking good so far!
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    Is anyone else loving tonight's episode? I almost died after that whole Dracula scene. And hearing Dean talk about being "rehymenated"--priceless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neoachilles View Post
    Is anyone else loving tonight's episode? I almost died after that whole Dracula scene. And hearing Dean talk about being "rehymenated"--priceless.
    LMAO I loved it. I know alot of fans don't like when they do these departures to the lighter more comedic based episodes but I love them and this was no exception. Still hasn't eclipsed Ghostfacers but pretty damn good.

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    I love it when these shows poke a little fun at themselves. If you've ever seen any of the outtakes from the DVD's, you know how naturally funny Jensen and Jared are. When they can bring that to the screen, the levity is pretty refreshing.

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    I wasn't really into this episode. Just wasn't feeling it. It was like a break from continuity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snapcat View Post
    I wasn't really into this episode. Just wasn't feeling it. It was like a break from continuity.
    See I think that's what modern dramas have done to the market. We expect them to just follow one after another like acts in a season long play. They've extracted the episodic part out of episodic dramas. I like that it's not one uberlong, uberdraining, clusterfuck that's more concerned wiht making you says "WOW!" and less concerned with entertaining.

    So I guess what I"m trying to say is that's what I kinda like about these little side steps. They doing break with the 'continuity' of the show.

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    ^^I know what you mean. You could think of it like a parergon of some Greek hero--just a little side adventure. It might not necessarily be germane to the main plot, but it doesn't really hurt the continuity. Besides, the world may be coming to an end, but that doesn't mean that the other baddies out there have called it quits.

    *side note: The scene with the delivery boy was so funny.

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    I generally like standalone episodes but I lost interest so much that I couldnt even finish it. That has never happened before. I really liked the GhostFacers episode, which i know a lot of people hated, but this one totally bored me. They have to break it up but I wished they would have went somewhere else with it.

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    I haven't watched last night's episode yet but finally got caught up with the 2 previous episodes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aijalon18 View Post
    I generally like standalone episodes but I lost interest so much that I couldnt even finish it. That has never happened before. I really liked the GhostFacers episode, which i know a lot of people hated, but this one totally bored me. They have to break it up but I wished they would have went somewhere else with it.
    I do know what you mean to some extent. I mean it was UBER campy and can get where you were like OK I get the concept already. I mean they clearly had some ubercheesey old timey horror moviesque lines as well. And I was not a fan of them pawning it off on a shapeshifter. It seemed like a week answer. But for what it was worth I laughed alot andd I think htey knew how to play into their campy setting for the episode.

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    I really didn't like the latest episode. It seemed to much as if they'd come up with this 'cool' idea of doing a black & white horror and then tried to build some half-assed story around it.

    The one part I did enjoy was Dracula paying for pizza with a coupon :P

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    Well all and all I think it was a typical Edlund episode. Ben Edlund is the writer who tends to handle SPN's lighter fare (He wrote Ghostefacers, Bad Day at Black Rock and Hollywood Babylon among others). So I really think it was along line with those. Of course they very a bit in quality. It does seem as if they came up with the monster movie concept first and then tried to find something to fit it. I mean I think if you were going to do an episode in this vein reviving the Trickster would be the best bet but he tends to come with some greater message so they couldn't really use him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falconfan View Post
    I mean I think if you were going to do an episode in this vein reviving the Trickster would be the best bet but he tends to come with some greater message so they couldn't really use him.
    I actually thought that was how it was going to turn out at first. The shapeshifter was just a convenient plot device.

    Ohwell, I know this is a unique episode and not to be taken too seriously. It had a couple of good moments but overall I thought it was a bit dull

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    Quote Originally Posted by amethyst View Post
    I actually thought that was how it was going to turn out at first. The shapeshifter was just a convenient plot device.
    Yeah I thought for sure it would be the Trickster simply because he wasn't mentioned. Then I remembered Dean may not know he's still alive. And that gave me even more reason to think it should be him because it could play off teh communication rift they've been dealing with.

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    So tonight's episode was another filler. It wasn't too bad; Jensen certainly had his moments, especially at the very end. Oh my god, I loved that little bonus treat they threw in for us.


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    Quote Originally Posted by neoachilles View Post
    So tonight's episode was another filler. It wasn't too bad; Jensen certainly had his moments, especially at the very end. Oh my god, I loved that little bonus treat they threw in for us.

    LOL I read about this before the episode. One take Jared decided not to come in and give him the cue to see how long he'd go.

    Jensen is adorable

    Episode was good. Nothing amazing. Kinda thought it was silly to have them pull a ghost down the road.

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    I loved Jensen's dance number at the end but all in all not too great of an episode even for filler. But it was funny seeing Dean being such a wimp. It was a million times better than that mess from last week.

    It's weird though. This is one of my favorite shows and it used to keep me on the edge of my seat but these last 2 have barely kept my attention. I've been tivo'ing and fast forwarding so much of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aijalon18 View Post
    I loved Jensen's dance number at the end but all in all not too great of an episode even for filler. But it was funny seeing Dean being such a wimp. It was a million times better than that mess from last week.

    It's weird though. This is one of my favorite shows and it used to keep me on the edge of my seat but these last 2 have barely kept my attention. I've been tivo'ing and fast forwarding so much of it.
    I think the writer really over did this one. They just kept throwing so many one liners about Dean's fear that the really good ones got lost in the clutter.

    And I LOVE uncomfortable Dean. It's just so out of character so it becomes fucking hillarious and Jensen is great at it. That scene from "Phantom Traveler" is still one of my favorite ones in the whole series.

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    I freaking loved last night's episode. It is definitely one of my favorites, if not the favorite. Dean was hilarious. The girl scream and the "That was scary!" afterwards (the way he said it was priceless), running from a cute little dog in a pink bow, and him just freaking out. It was so weird watching him worry and get frightened. He kind of reminded me of Monk. And of course the Eye of the Tiger ending. I loved it.

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    I loved the last two episodes. I like it when they get cheesy sometimes. Week after week of intensity just gets draining after a while.

    Jensen's Eye of the Tiger bit was classic, but his portrayal of a scared Dean was the best.

    "Am I haunted???"

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    ^ Totally agree. Just finished watching the last episode and Dean was so cute in it. I get bored with 'to-be-continued' stuff. I like standalone episodes where they play around.

    OMG Dean could play around with me any time

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    Quote Originally Posted by darlingstacy View Post
    I loved the last two episodes. I like it when they get cheesy sometimes. Week after week of intensity just gets draining after a while.

    Jensen's Eye of the Tiger bit was classic, but his portrayal of a scared Dean was the best.

    "Am I haunted???"
    Amen, Baby. I feel the same way. I love these guys, and every time they cry I just want to scoop them up and hug them, but damn, the last two seasons have just been so heavy. My favorite show of all time, as you know, is Buffy, but one of the things I thought was unfortunate was that BTVS became all about the characters' lives and angst in the last few seasons, and it abandoned the story lines where they actually helped people.

    There's a fine line between exploring your characters' lives as they do their job, and just indulging their self-involvement to the point where they no longer do the job. Thankfully, the Supernatural folks are avoiding that happening at this point.

    OMG, I almost wet myself when Dean screamed at the cat in the locker and then self-consciously said "wow, that was scary!"


    Jensen Ackles just melts my heart.

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    It was a nice change of pace to laugh out loud and watch the guys have some fun with the show rather than the deep "dad and mom are dead, Dean died and came back and Sam has demon blood" stuff.

    The Monsters episode was over the top on purpose.

    And yeah, Dean's freak out over the cat in the locker was laugh out loud funny. And the scene where Sam looks up and Dean is running like the wind to get out of the factory was genius. What I loved most though were the funny little glances they gave each other during the whole show. Just fun all around.

    I kept saying "Oh God I love this show!" out loud. I haven't said that since seeing Firefly on DVD.

    Yeah you're right about Buffy. It got way too deep and sorrowful and lost the fun. I think they knew it was the end and they just stopped caring about what got them there.

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    MAJOR FOOD FOR THOUGHT

    In his official statement, Eric Kripke says: "Dean is not a dick. None of the writers, or anyone on the creative team of Supernatural, think Dean's ever been a dick, past, present, or future. He's a hero. Dean did NOT contract the ghost sickness because he's a dick. Victims contract the illness because they use 'fear as a weapon.' Dean asks Lilith at the episode's end, 'why did I get infected?' And she cryptically responds, 'you know why. Listen to your heart.' We,as the writers, probably should have emphasized this mystery more, I take responsibility for that omission. But the point is: the reason he was infected is because of a SECRET he's keeping. A dark secret that will be revealed in Episode 10. And not at all because of any dickishness, implied or otherwise."

    (full article here http://www.buddytv.com/articles/supe...s-d-23929.aspx)

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    Funny. That thought never crossed my mind after the initial exchange between he and Sam. I thought of it as a brother giving his sibling a hard time. It is fairly logical that Sam would stick on that one detail - all the guys that got the disease were dicks - because sometimes he feels that way about Dean. As most brothers do about each other.

    That's cute that they made a point of saying that though.

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    Yes but I think more importantly we have to ask ourselves what dark secret does Dean have that involves him using fear as a weapon?

    Before the series began? While he was in hell?

    They've got me. I'm really clueless here.

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    I know. I'm going "What?? What secret??"

    Guess we'll find out soon enough. Maybe it is something that Dean learned when he went back in time and was face to face with the Yellow Eyed Demon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by falconfan View Post
    Yes but I think more importantly we have to ask ourselves what dark secret does Dean have that involves him using fear as a weapon?

    Before the series began? While he was in hell?

    They've got me. I'm really clueless here.
    I didn't actually consider the possibility that that was something important.

    I just assumed it was referring to his personality and how he's kind of the loud-mouthed brother, always intimidating people to get information, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darlingstacy View Post
    I know. I'm going "What?? What secret??"

    Guess we'll find out soon enough. Maybe it is something that Dean learned when he went back in time and was face to face with the Yellow Eyed Demon?
    It would have to be something Dean DID which could be construed as him using fear as a weapon. Which means whatever it is has to have happened when we weren't watching (ie in hell or pre-pilot).

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    Quote Originally Posted by amethyst View Post
    I didn't actually consider the possibility that that was something important.

    I just assumed it was referring to his personality and how he's kind of the loud-mouthed brother, always intimidating people to get information, etc.
    Well neither did I but when the series creator says... "the reason he was infected is because of a SECRET he's keeping. A dark secret that will be revealed in Episode 10."

    It kinda makes me think maybe there's an important dark secret being kept lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by falconfan View Post
    Well neither did I but when the series creator says... "the reason he was infected is because of a SECRET he's keeping. A dark secret that will be revealed in Episode 10."

    It kinda makes me think maybe there's an important dark secret being kept lol
    Oops I totally missed the post where you said that x_x

    That's interesting.

    But it also feels too similar with what they did between Dean and Bloody Mary back in season 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falconfan View Post
    It would have to be something Dean DID which could be construed as him using fear as a weapon. Which means whatever it is has to have happened when we weren't watching (ie in hell or pre-pilot).
    Very true. They could go anywhere with it really with the way they opened the series. Dean already being a hunter, etc.

    Can't wait to see where they go with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amethyst View Post
    Oops I totally missed the post where you said that x_x

    That's interesting.

    But it also feels too similar with what they did between Dean and Bloody Mary back in season 1.
    The concept of one character having a secret is far to broad to be "too similar" to anything. The similarity may arise in the way they bring it out.

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