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    Obama recess appoints consumer bureau chief

    President Obama pulled a sweet move, outflanking the Repubs who had stalled his attempted appointment of The Director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau - Richard Cordray

    based on a technicality that the Senate was in recess

    Pres. Obama accused the Congress of refusing to act - that that refusal was hurting the public and the economy so ..............

    Good move by Obama IMO - he's on a mini roll after the payroll tax thingy



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    !Go Barack Go!

    He knows all he would get is obstruction from repubs so he grew a set and did what he wanted.

    I hope this continues.

    Oh lookie.... he's leading! Barack Obama is leading!

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    on the surface, it's a good move.

    but how's everyone going to feel when a Republican president does this exact same run around a Democratic congress? Harry Reid himself did exactly what Republicans were doing (keeping Congress in session) to prevent GWB from making recess appointments.

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    I agree Loki. All is good and well until the other side does it.

    The reason we haven't weakened the strength a filibuster has is because Reid did not choose to strike it when he could have because that would remove the Dems ability to do so in a Dem weak congress and they don't want to restrict their own ability to fuck up a law.
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    Re: Obama recess appoints consumer bureau chief

    ^ and ^^

    hear you guys

    but politically this plays well

    at this time

    Pres. looks STRONG

    Repubs are reinforced as obstructionist and can't really make an argument other than they got caught with their pants down on a stall move

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    Re: Obama recess appoints consumer bureau chief

    At this point Obama looks strong to those that might be convinced to vote for him.

    At this point to those that would never vote for him he is the anti-christ.

    So if he was lookin to make a statement he failed. The posturing moves will occur later on when the bricks start flying between him and Romney... sometime in the spring.
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    sure, politically it looks great.

    and we'll all idly stand by as the executive branch grabs more and more power because it's "our" team doing it.

    I didn't see Obama give back much of the power that Bush grabbed, do you think the next person sitting in the White House will treat it any differently?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    !Go Barack Go!

    He knows all he would get is obstruction from repubs so he grew a set and did what he wanted.

    I hope this continues.

    Oh lookie.... he's leading! Barack Obama is leading!
    You better hope it doesn't. The last thing he needs is people saying he's as bad as GWB with ignoring the balance of power.

    This is the wusses way out. He should have brow-beat the hell out of them until they passed it. THAT would be leading.

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    Re: Obama recess appoints consumer bureau chief

    I do see a difference in making a recess appointment to a department which IS CURRENTLY DISABLED BECAUSE THERE IS NOBODY LEADING IT, and making a recess appointment which merely replaces somebody whose absence doesn't prevent the office/department from acting. I would also consider a recess firing-and-replacement to be very problematic.

    Of course the Republicans were opposing any efforts of Obama to make any appointment, and they would have made sure he didn't get his appointment confirmed even if he appointed Pat Buchanan, because it's Obama...and he MUST fail at everything he tries do to. Of course, when he's doing something to enable consumer protections to be enforced, that is complete anathema to the Republicans. They want the banks, insurance companies, etc. to have complete free reigh to fuck over, rape, steal and (if if helps their bottom line) make people homeless or even do things to kill them. Republicans do NOT want help of any kind for the "little people" - not at all, not ever, not for any reason.

    I also have to at least put some trust and hope that this appointment is somebody who is actually likely to do the job required, I wouldn't trust a Republican recess appointment to anything. The recess appointment by a Republican president, nowadays, will always be somebody who is intent on DESTROYING the department he/she heads, unless it's a department which regulates the behaviour of individuals such as Homeland Security...but regulating corporations? Forget it.

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    Re: Obama recess appoints consumer bureau chief

    One smart move to piss of the GOP good going Mr. President.

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    Strange new agency.

    They will make their own operating money and will not be accountable to Congress for funding or oversight.

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    Re: Obama recess appoints consumer bureau chief

    Rick Santorum In New Hampshire:
    Congress Should Take Obama To Court For Recess Appointments

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1185167.html

    Let the impeachment begin, Frothy One!
    Maybe not:
    Obama has made 29 recess appointments, compared with 61 by President George W. Bush at the same point in his term, according to the White House.


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    If they go for impeachment, they will be laughed at big time.

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    Re: Obama recess appoints consumer bureau chief

    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    on the surface, it's a good move.

    but how's everyone going to feel when a Republican president does this exact same run around a Democratic congress? Harry Reid himself did exactly what Republicans were doing (keeping Congress in session) to prevent GWB from making recess appointments.
    GWB appointed quite a number of now famously-incompetent people to important government positions. It is the responsibility of the Senate to try to ensure that that does not happen. Harry Reid did his best to stop that.

    That is NOT the current issue, however. The problem is not Richard Cordray, whom both Republicans and Democrats agree is competent for this appointment. The problem is that Republicans disagree with the agency that Cordray will head itself.

    The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau was created by passage of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act. This act passed both houses of Congress and was signed into law by President Obama on July 21, 2010. Republicans have sought since passage of the bill to prevent this legislation from effectively becoming law. They have done this by obstruction by a minority of members of a single house of government.

    In all of American history, that has never happened before. Ever.

    It is worrisome that a minority group of legislators could override the actions of a majority of both houses of Congress and the president of the United States. Indeed, it is worrisome that any group of legislators would even want to subvert the will of the American people in this way. The senators in question are trying to prevent the American system of government from operating. That is treason.

    President Obama acted correctly to restore the Constitutional balance of power here.

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    Re: Obama recess appoints consumer bureau chief

    I found this at newsalertusa.com and I love the way the Goppers are whining and crying foul. GW did it much more than Obama.. Poooooor GOP.

    http://newsalertusa.com/2012/01/04/j...rab-wednesday/


    Republicans Livid Over Obama’s ‘Unprecedented Power Grab’
    January 4th, 2012

    President Obama broke a six-month hold on the nomination of Richard Cordray to head a controversial and nearly new federal consumer financial board Wednesday – and in the process just might have set off a drawn-out legal battle over presidential power.

    Obama cited the Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution in making the appointment without Senate approval. House and Senate Republicans balked, pointing out that the appointment contradicted decades of actual practice and violated the spirit, if not the precise letter, of the Constitution.

    “Although the Senate is not in recess, President Obama, in an unprecedented move, has arrogantly circumvented the American people,” Senate Republican Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said Wednesday. “This recess appointment represents a sharp departure from a long-standing precedent that has limited the President to recess appointments only when the Senate is in recess of 10 days or longer.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Eagle View Post
    I found this at newsalertusa.com and I love the way the Goppers are whining and crying foul. GW did it much more than Obama.. Poooooor GOP.

    http://newsalertusa.com/2012/01/04/j...rab-wednesday/
    GWB did it when Congress was actually in recess.

    personally, I believe that every presidential appointment deserves a swift up or down vote. I'm not in favor of the routine filibustering of nominees. I believed that when GWB was in the White House and I believe it while Obama is in the White House.

    but Obama's actions are opening a whole new door. don't be surprised when President Jeb Bush uses this same power to stack agencies with his cronies as soon as Congress breaks for the weeekend under the pretext that Congress isn't in session.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Strange new agency.

    They will make their own operating money and will not be accountable to Congress for funding or oversight.
    As was the law passed by Congress.

    It was not put in the yearly appropriation budget because then Congress would threaten to defund it every year.

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    Re: Obama recess appoints consumer bureau chief

    it does play well politically. Since the senate is de facto in recess while someone comes in, gavels in, gavels out, it gives him a platform upon which to base his accusations. Perhaps when Reid was doing the same thing, the administration did not come up with the idea.

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    The Senate was in session and not on recess. Barry Obama Chavez might try reading that Constitution, that he keeps telling us he's an expert on. it also is of no import whether they were actually mulling legislation, or reading Mad Magazine. President Fucktard doesn't get to make the rules of a co-equal branch of government.

    Appointing more of his union thug buddies to the NLRB may be politically beneficial, but it isn't Constitutional. The Wall Street Journal also shares this view.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    The Senate was in session and not on recess. Barry Obama Chavez might try reading that Constitution, that he keeps telling us he's an expert on. it also is of no import whether they were actually mulling legislation, or reading Mad Magazine. President Fucktard doesn't get to make the rules of a co-equal branch of government.

    Appointing more of his union thug buddies to the NLRB may be politically beneficial, but it isn't Constitutional. The Wall Street Journal also shares this view.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj
    Who is "Barry Obama Chavez"...?

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    Re: Obama recess appoints consumer bureau chief

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Who is "Barry Obama Chavez"...?
    A hybrid of Obama's AKA ( Also Known As) of Barry Soetoro and his apparent role model Hugo Chavez, who also rules by decree.

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    Re: Obama recess appoints consumer bureau chief

    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    A hybrid of Obama's AKA ( Also Known As) of Barry Soetoro and his apparent role model Hugo Chavez, who also rules by decree.
    According to the Congressional Research Service, President Bill Clinton made 139 recess appointments. President George W. Bush made 171 recess appointments, and as of December 8, 2011, President Barack Obama had made 28 recess appointments.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recess_appointment

    So, Jackoroe, who is more like Hugo Chavez? Bush or Obama?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    The Senate was in session and not on recess. Barry Obama Chavez might try reading that Constitution, that he keeps telling us he's an expert on. it also is of no import whether they were actually mulling legislation, or reading Mad Magazine. President Fucktard doesn't get to make the rules of a co-equal branch of government.

    Appointing more of his union thug buddies to the NLRB may be politically beneficial, but it isn't Constitutional. The Wall Street Journal also shares this view.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj
    Saw a very good description of the situation on another site that went something like this.

    The Senate tried to use some fuzzy procedure to pretend they were in session when they really weren't. So Obama used some fuzzy legal reasoning to say his appointment was authorized.

    The Senate's legal justification for their "session" (one senator showing up for 3 minutes to bang the gavel twice then leave) is just as weak as Obama's legal reasoning, if not more so.

    As the courts have never ruled on this, perhaps now is a good time to consider what constitutes a valid session.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
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    Appointing more of his union thug buddies to the NLRB may be politically beneficial, but it isn't Constitutional. The Wall Street Journal also shares this view.
    Please identify the "union thug buddies" that the Prez appointed to the NLRB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    I do see a difference in making a recess appointment to a department which IS CURRENTLY DISABLED BECAUSE THERE IS NOBODY LEADING IT, and making a recess appointment which merely replaces somebody whose absence doesn't prevent the office/department from acting. I would also consider a recess firing-and-replacement to be very problematic.

    Of course the Republicans were opposing any efforts of Obama to make any appointment, and they would have made sure he didn't get his appointment confirmed even if he appointed Pat Buchanan, because it's Obama...and he MUST fail at everything he tries do to. Of course, when he's doing something to enable consumer protections to be enforced, that is complete anathema to the Republicans. They want the banks, insurance companies, etc. to have complete free reigh to fuck over, rape, steal and (if if helps their bottom line) make people homeless or even do things to kill them. Republicans do NOT want help of any kind for the "little people" - not at all, not ever, not for any reason.

    I also have to at least put some trust and hope that this appointment is somebody who is actually likely to do the job required, I wouldn't trust a Republican recess appointment to anything. The recess appointment by a Republican president, nowadays, will always be somebody who is intent on DESTROYING the department he/she heads, unless it's a department which regulates the behaviour of individuals such as Homeland Security...but regulating corporations? Forget it.

    Consider Bolton as U. N. Ambassador a few years after he basically suggested that airplanes should slam into the upper ten floors of their New York headquarters.
    You make a good point. Absent these recess appointments, neither the NLRB nor the CFPB would be able to carry out their essential functions. Funny how none of the Republican JUBers like jackaroe complain about the GOP Senators using the filibuster to render legislatively created agencies unable to operate. Jackaroe, don't you think Senate Republicans are shirking their constitutional duties, or do you not care as long as it's President Obama their fucking around with?

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    The Senate Republicans made it clear they were not going to appoint anyone to the CFPB unless the agency was gutted. They simply refused to execute the law as it stood which is a terrible abuse of process and a complete middle finger to the rule of law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palemale View Post
    You make a good point. Absent these recess appointments, neither the NLRB nor the CFPB would be able to carry out their essential functions. Funny how none of the Republican JUBers like jackaroe complain about the GOP Senators using the filibuster to render legislatively created agencies unable to operate. Jackaroe, don't you think Senate Republicans are shirking their constitutional duties, or do you not care as long as it's President Obama their fucking around with?
    Jackoroe nor the other Repubs probably can't answer the truth: President Obama isn't even on pace to get half the number of recess appointments as Bush. Yet, Obama's the one getting compared to Chavez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotatlboi View Post
    Saw a very good description of the situation on another site that went something like this.

    The Senate tried to use some fuzzy procedure to pretend they were in session when they really weren't. So Obama used some fuzzy legal reasoning to say his appointment was authorized.

    The Senate's legal justification for their "session" (one senator showing up for 3 minutes to bang the gavel twice then leave) is just as weak as Obama's legal reasoning, if not more so.

    As the courts have never ruled on this, perhaps now is a good time to consider what constitutes a valid session.
    Hey look, the Republicans in the senate learned a trick from the Democrats, who did the exact same thing when Bush was president. It was stupid then, and its stupid now.

    Its a very risky move on both party's parts. Either the courts will rule the senate was never in session and the appointment is okay, or they'll rule that Obama acted unconstitutionally and that Cordray's appointment (and anything he will do after that appointment) is null and void.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post
    Jackoroe nor the other Repubs probably can't answer the truth: President Obama isn't even on pace to get half the number of recess appointments as Bush. Yet, Obama's the one getting compared to Chavez.
    Bush at least waited until Congress wasn't in session?

    I have no problem with this specific appointment, but don't come crying back when President Sarah Palin uses Congress breaking for the weekend as an excuse to stack every Cabinet posting with members of her family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    The Senate was in session and not on recess. President Fucktard doesn't get to make the rules of a co-equal branch of government.
    "President Fucktard".

    Such maturity from such an otherwise intelligent man, jack...

    The 30 min. gavel to gavel "do nothing" dog and pony show from The Senate was just to keep Obama from doing exactly what he did - appoint a chief of the consumer bureau that our country so desperately needs.

    Imagine ! Taking action so the banks won't keep screwing the vast majority of the country ! What a monster Obama is !

    The Senate is "in session" like Amy Winehouse is "on tour". It's total horseshit, and you bloody well know it.

    I'm especially enjoying how the GOP is already trumpeting how Obama has done NOTHING do increase job growth or fix our economy since he has been in office.

    WHAT could have possibly been standing in his way ?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua_me View Post
    "President Fucktard".

    Such maturity from such an otherwise intelligent man, jack...

    The 30 min. gavel to gavel "do nothing" dog and pony show from The Senate was just to keep Obama from doing exactly what he did - appoint a chief of the consumer bureau that our country so desperately needs.

    Imagine ! Taking action so the banks won't keep screwing the vast majority of the country ! What a monster Obama is !

    The Senate is "in session" like Amy Winehouse is "on tour". It's total horseshit, and you bloody well know it.

    I'm especially enjoying how the GOP is already trumpeting how Obama has done NOTHING do increase job growth or fix our economy since he has been in office.

    WHAT could have possibly been standing in his way ?
    That's all well and good, but his actions could end up screwing the bureau over for an even longer period of time if the courts decide that the senate WAS in session and the appointment was unconstitutional. I'm not saying the bureau is a bad idea, because it isn't. What I'm saying is that he chose a politically expedient path right now that could bite him in the ass later.

    You also need to understand that courts will be loathe to say that the Senate WASN'T in session because of how the constitution is written. Basically, the Senate and House write their own rules that are accepted at the beginning of the session. They have total control over that. If those rules allow for Pro Forma sessions that keep the Senate in session, then they're allowed to have that and Obama can't get around it. It's that pesky separation of powers issue that GWB was so fond of testing that is rearing its head here again, and its a big reason why the smarter thing to do would have been to avoid a recess appointment at all costs.

    Then there's the whole constitutionality of the recess appointment in and of itself, but that's a whole different can of worms...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    The Senate was in session and not on recess. Barry Obama Chavez might try reading that Constitution, that he keeps telling us he's an expert on. it also is of no import whether they were actually mulling legislation, or reading Mad Magazine. President Fucktard doesn't get to make the rules of a co-equal branch of government.

    Appointing more of his union thug buddies to the NLRB may be politically beneficial, but it isn't Constitutional. The Wall Street Journal also shares this view.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj
    Wow.

    Someone doesn't like their president.

    Don't hold back though. Tell us all how you really feel.

    I just don't remember the same outrage when Bush was flooding the agencies and even the UN with recess appointments.

    And somehow Rupert Murdoch's WSJ is the go to source for an objective opinion on this apponitment?

    I'll just bet that Gretch Carlson is shocked and appalled as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua_me View Post
    "President Fucktard".

    Such maturity from such an otherwise intelligent man, jack...

    The 30 min. gavel to gavel "do nothing" dog and pony show from The Senate was just to keep Obama from doing exactly what he did - appoint a chief of the consumer bureau that our country so desperately needs.

    Imagine ! Taking action so the banks won't keep screwing the vast majority of the country ! What a monster Obama is !

    The Senate is "in session" like Amy Winehouse is "on tour". It's total horseshit, and you bloody well know it.

    I'm especially enjoying how the GOP is already trumpeting how Obama has done NOTHING do increase job growth or fix our economy since he has been in office.

    WHAT could have possibly been standing in his way ?
    You know, I'm actually pretty reluctant to call people names. Even politicians. And I though long and hard before calling Obama a Fucktard. But he's really earned it.

    We desperately need yet another government agency like I need a dose of the clap. The Senate was in session. If they were playing Hacky Sack and listening to Europe '72 that's their business. The legislature is a co-equal not a subservient branch of government. Maybe Obama needs to re-read the Constitution. They get to decide when they are in session, not him.

    Ahh...the banks. Too big to fail, right? What's he done to ensure that they are sufficiently small to prevent that from happening again? Gee whiz, nothing! Why? Because he's the leading whore taking money hand over fist from Wall Street. He's not actually interested in solving problems but in using them for his own gain. In fairness, he's not the only one at the trough.

    Then we have job creation. We gave Fisker motors a rather substantial amount to build electric cars that nobody here could afford, in Finland no less! Why? Because Al Gore is an investor as well as some folks who are Obama contributors. So, we have to make sure they succeed, don't we? How about all those green jobs that Solyndra produced for the half billion we gave them? Can you say crony capitalism?

    So, we're another $5,000,000,000,000 in the hole to the Chinese. Unemployment, which wasn't going above 8% if we just spent another $800,000,000,000, went to 10%. And the Messiah is complaining that he's being obstructed? Well, thank God somebody is!

    Somebody should have obstructed him when he wanted the authority to send Americans to foreign countries to be held without charges for as long as he wants. Somebody should have obstructed him when he decided to murder American citizens whom he decided were enemies without regard to their rights to due process. Someone should certainly have stood in his way when he thought it a good idea to send troops to all corners of the globe without Congressional approval.

    You see, he isn't stupid. He just doesn't give a shit about the Constitution. He wipes his ass on a regular basis with the document. He's an enemy to all of our freedom. As are all the idiots in Congress that have let him get away with his nonsense.

    Maybe it's time to get rid of the whole lot of them and just start over.

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    The real problem is a completely dysfunctional system of government, not whether the Senate was technically in recess. As I said in another thread, the Constitution, as is true of the founding documents of any democratic system of government, is insufficient to ensure the stability and functionality of our government. All elected officials must conduct themselves in a manner that shows respect, not only for the constitution, but basic democratic principals and the norms of conduct that ensure that the levers of government can function.

    It has been a long time since the Republicans have done that. Things started really going off the rail in the Clinton administration. Newt Gingrich's ascension to Speaker of the House signaled a level of obstruction by Congress not seen in any of our life times. He shut the government down to get his way. It's been all downhill since then.

    Simply put, the Republicans do not respect the democratic process, the will of the voters or the idea of majority rule. They are a menace.

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    Newt Gingrich's ascension to Speaker of the House signaled a level of obstruction by Congress not seen in any of our life times. He shut the government down to get his way. It's been all downhill since then.
    Gingrich certainly deserves the scorn of future historians when they are explaining the decline and fall of the Republic.

    Or maybe it started after WWII when the US stopped declaring war but just started sending troops all over the world.

    Somehow it is hard to see Obama as the instigator instead of just carrying on a bi-partisan tradition. It just seems to be easier though, for some people to pretend that he is the first president to do any of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    The Senate was in session and not on recess. Barry Obama Chavez might try reading that Constitution, that he keeps telling us he's an expert on. it also is of no import whether they were actually mulling legislation, or reading Mad Magazine. President Fucktard doesn't get to make the rules of a co-equal branch of government.

    Appointing more of his union thug buddies to the NLRB may be politically beneficial, but it isn't Constitutional. The Wall Street Journal also shares this view.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj
    You ought to read Laurence Tribe's take on Obama's recess appointments. Tribe describes them as constitutional and not a close case. Slam dunk was his term. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/06/op...ml?ref=opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    You know, I'm actually pretty reluctant to call people names. Even politicians. And I though long and hard before calling Obama a Fucktard. But he's really earned it.

    We desperately need yet another government agency like I need a dose of the clap. The Senate was in session. If they were playing Hacky Sack and listening to Europe '72 that's their business. The legislature is a co-equal not a subservient branch of government. Maybe Obama needs to re-read the Constitution. They get to decide when they are in session, not him.

    Ahh...the banks. Too big to fail, right? What's he done to ensure that they are sufficiently small to prevent that from happening again? Gee whiz, nothing! Why? Because he's the leading whore taking money hand over fist from Wall Street. He's not actually interested in solving problems but in using them for his own gain. In fairness, he's not the only one at the trough.

    Then we have job creation. We gave Fisker motors a rather substantial amount to build electric cars that nobody here could afford, in Finland no less! Why? Because Al Gore is an investor as well as some folks who are Obama contributors. So, we have to make sure they succeed, don't we? How about all those green jobs that Solyndra produced for the half billion we gave them? Can you say crony capitalism?

    So, we're another $5,000,000,000,000 in the hole to the Chinese. Unemployment, which wasn't going above 8% if we just spent another $800,000,000,000, went to 10%. And the Messiah is complaining that he's being obstructed? Well, thank God somebody is!

    Somebody should have obstructed him when he wanted the authority to send Americans to foreign countries to be held without charges for as long as he wants. Somebody should have obstructed him when he decided to murder American citizens whom he decided were enemies without regard to their rights to due process. Someone should certainly have stood in his way when he thought it a good idea to send troops to all corners of the globe without Congressional approval.

    You see, he isn't stupid. He just doesn't give a shit about the Constitution. He wipes his ass on a regular basis with the document. He's an enemy to all of our freedom. As are all the idiots in Congress that have let him get away with his nonsense.

    Maybe it's time to get rid of the whole lot of them and just start over.


    More fake outrage, Jackoroe. Bush took the US' debt from roughly $6T to $13T. Obama, has added $2T in debt by following a basic economic law on recessions: spend when the private sector won't and (later) save when the private sector expands.

    Fault President Obama for following mainstream economic theory, I guess.

    Inconvenient facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlover View Post
    More fake outrage, Jackoroe. Bush took the US' debt from roughly $6T to $13T. Obama, has added $2T in debt by following a basic economic law on recessions: spend when the private sector won't and (later) save when the private sector expands.

    Fault President Obama for following mainstream economic theory, I guess.

    Inconvenient facts.
    Oh Christ, those annoying facts really get in the way of an argument, don't they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    Oh Christ, those annoying facts really get in the way of an argument, don't they?
    if there's one thing that I've learned during the Obama years, it's that the Executive can't really do anything and it's all Congress's fault.

    so clearly, we can blame the Democratic congress for the deficit spending that they forced on President Bush

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    if there's one thing that I've learned during the Obama years, it's that the Executive can't really do anything and it's all Congress's fault.

    so clearly, we can blame the Democratic congress for the deficit spending that they forced on President Bush
    From what I'm learning about the teachings of all republicans is: Everything good is republican, everything that's bad is the Democrats fault.

    If the economy collapses, it's the democrats fault. Everything that goes wrong it's because of the Democrats.

    However, only republicans can being sunshine, freedom, success and prosperity. And only Fox News tells the truth.

    A little off topic here but I'll give it a go anyway.....

    Remember years ago when a pregnant woman was killed ( I think this was in Illinois) and her baby was cut out of her? A reporter asked Newt Gingrich how these awful things can stop, his response was "vote Republican".

    And back on topic:

    Obama's recess appointments will never catch up to W's amount. And why on Earth would anyone be against consumer protection? Or is this is a "job killer" and it would hurt the pocketbooks of the "job creators"?

    *BINGO*

    It's pathetic to see how everything.... absolutely everything and anything Obama does is vilified by republicans. It's still the blind hatred for his winning the Presidency that rears it's ugly head.

    Obama should use reverse psychology on these babies...... he should declare he wants to ban abortion and gay rights. Then all of a sudden republicans would be for the right to choose and gay marriage. He should give tax cuts to billionaires. The repubs would be crying foul and how Obama is destroying America by cutting off it's tax base and raise taxes on billionaires.

    If these obstructionist treasonous republicans are putting party in front of the good of the country, then I hope he continues with these appointments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyBob View Post
    From what I'm learning about the teachings of all republicans is: Everything good is republican, everything that's bad is the Democrats fault.

    If the economy collapses, it's the democrats fault. Everything that goes wrong it's because of the Democrats.

    However, only republicans can being sunshine, freedom, success and prosperity. And only Fox News tells the truth.
    Boy, did you nail that right.

    Obama should use reverse psychology on these babies...... he should declare he wants to ban abortion and gay rights. Then all of a sudden republicans would be for the right to choose and gay marriage. He should give tax cuts to billionaires. The repubs would be crying foul and how Obama is destroying America by cutting off it's tax base and raise taxes on billionaires.

    If these obstructionist treasonous republicans are putting party in front of the good of the country, then I hope he continues with these appointments.
    Actually, he did try what I put in bold... And the Repbulicans lambasted him. See the Debt Ceiling crisis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    The Senate was in session and not on recess. Barry Obama Chavez might try reading that Constitution, that he keeps telling us he's an expert on. it also is of no import whether they were actually mulling legislation, or reading Mad Magazine. President Fucktard doesn't get to make the rules of a co-equal branch of government.

    Appointing more of his union thug buddies to the NLRB may be politically beneficial, but it isn't Constitutional. The Wall Street Journal also shares this view.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj
    If the Senate was in session, then a union guy leaning on a shovel for four hours watching two other guys move gravel is working -- as are fat government bureaucrats playing solitaire on their desk computers -- and a soldier cowering in a foxhole and not even peering over the edge is fighting.

    Quote Originally Posted by palemale View Post
    You ought to read Laurence Tribe's take on Obama's recess appointments. Tribe describes them as constitutional and not a close case. Slam dunk was his term. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/06/op...ml?ref=opinion
    The most telling point is that the Senate itself has said repeatedly in the past that this kind of appointment is legit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    if there's one thing that I've learned during the Obama years, it's that the Executive can't really do anything and it's all Congress's fault.

    so clearly, we can blame the Democratic congress for the deficit spending that they forced on President Bush
    thanks for giving me a late afternoon chuckle

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    We desperately need yet another government agency like I need a dose of the clap.
    Yeah, because that Laissez-faire everyone gets to market whatever kind of financial products they want model worked so well for our system 3 years ago. The Republicans propensity for collective amnesia is truly epic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackoroe View Post
    The Senate was in session and not on recess. Barry Obama Chavez might try reading that Constitution, that he keeps telling us he's an expert on. it also is of no import whether they were actually mulling legislation, or reading Mad Magazine. President Fucktard doesn't get to make the rules of a co-equal branch of government.

    Appointing more of his union thug buddies to the NLRB may be politically beneficial, but it isn't Constitutional. The Wall Street Journal also shares this view.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj
    You should be above such trashy rhetoric, Jackoroe.

    It is an unpleasant situation when both sides do recess appointments. As previously mentioned, Bush did this often to Congress during his years of being president. Obama does hold some justification that for years, the Republican side of Congress has been holding up and stalling dozens of necessary appointments for government just for the sake of political posturing. The federal courts actually criticized Congress last year for such behavior as a detriment to the carrying out of justice and fulfilling the rule of law. At some point, Obama has to show leadership when Congress is broken from partisan politics.
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    You should be above such trashy rhetoric, Jackoroe.

    It is an unpleasant situation when both sides do recess appointments. As previously mentioned, Bush did this often to Congress during his years of being president. Obama does hold some justification that for years, the Republican side of Congress has been holding up and stalling dozens of necessary appointments for government just for the sake of political posturing. The federal courts actually criticized Congress last year for such behavior as a detriment to the carrying out of justice and fulfilling the rule of law. At some point, Obama has to show leadership when Congress is broken from partisan politics.
    They whine because they think he's not "leading"..... when he does they whine about that too.

    God, I'm tired of listening to all of this right wing complaining.

    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    You should be above such trashy rhetoric, Jackoroe.
    Yeah, "Barry Obama Chavez" and "President Fucktard". Sheesh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki81 View Post
    if there's one thing that I've learned during the Obama years, it's that the Executive can't really do anything and it's all Congress's fault.

    so clearly, we can blame the Democratic congress for the deficit spending that they forced on President Bush
    Republicans controlled both the Senate and House of Representatives for the first six years of Bush's presidency, and the last six years of Clinton's presidency.
    Democrats took control of the House and Senate after 12 years of nearly unbroken Republican rule . . ..
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...010400802.html

    So, I'm afraid the lion's share of the blame for the ballooning deficit falls squarely on the Republicans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palemale View Post
    You ought to read Laurence Tribe's take on Obama's recess appointments. Tribe describes them as constitutional and not a close case. Slam dunk was his term. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/06/op...ml?ref=opinion
    Tribe is also ideologically motivated. Fact is, there is a huge amount of disagreement over it. They all center on whether the President has the right to say that a legislative body isn't actually in session, when the body itself says that it is. It will end up at the supreme court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    You should be above such trashy rhetoric, Jackoroe.

    It is an unpleasant situation when both sides do recess appointments. As previously mentioned, Bush did this often to Congress during his years of being president. Obama does hold some justification that for years, the Republican side of Congress has been holding up and stalling dozens of necessary appointments for government just for the sake of political posturing. The federal courts actually criticized Congress last year for such behavior as a detriment to the carrying out of justice and fulfilling the rule of law. At some point, Obama has to show leadership when Congress is broken from partisan politics.
    Bush did it often, Clinton did it more than Bush (surprisingly enough), and it became a big deal with GHW Bush.

    Interestingly, the whole idea of a 'pro forma session' started when GHWB was president as a way for Democrats to prevent any recess appointments from him.

    Frankly, there's no justification for what either side is doing. Pro forma sessions aren't an above-board way to stop appointments, but Obama doesn't have the authority to say that they aren't actually sessions. On the flip side, recess appointments, especially for two individuals that were only referred to the senate two days before they adjourned (before their background checks were even able to be completed!) are not appropriate means to overcome a divided legislature.

    Everybody, but most especially normal citizens, lose with this.

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    Re: Obama recess appoints consumer bureau chief

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    More fake outrage, Jackoroe. Bush took the US' debt from roughly $6T to $13T. Obama, has added $2T in debt by following a basic economic law on recessions: spend when the private sector won't and (later) save when the private sector expands.

    Fault President Obama for following mainstream economic theory, I guess.

    Inconvenient facts.
    The problem is they aren't facts. Bush was a profligate spender, make no mistake. He took the debt from about $5 trillion to a scad over $10 trillion (not $13 as you claim) in eight years. But Obama has gone from the $10 trillion number to over $15 trillion and $16 trillion is but a few months away. What's truly horrible is he's done this in less than three years!

    Obama is spending $5 billion every single day that we do not have. He's borrowing it from the Chinese. By comparison Bush seems downright thrifty when he was spending $1.66 billion per day that we didn't have. Obama is Bush times three!

    http://startthinkingright.wordpress....ponsible-ever/

    Now you allude to the Keynesian model which has been discredited everywhere but here for some reason. Over $5 Trillion in new debt and we still have 8 1/2% unemployment and GDP of something less than 2%. The only inconvenient fact is that Obama's economic policies are a complete disaster. And please, spare me the "It would have been much worse" tripe. You cannot quantify it, so it is little more than mental masturbation.

    Now Barry has claimed that raising the debt ceiling is "unpatriotic" then he demands it be done. He promised to close Gitmo on entering his new office. Not only is it still open, but he's now allowed to send Americans with whom he disagrees with there. No trials, no bail, no charges. He complained about Bush's use of the signing statement, yet uses it himself. He's allowed his Department of Justice to furnish weapons to Mexican drug gangs, at taxpayer expense. These weapons kill scores of Mexicans and one US Border agent, Brian Terry. The attorney general hasn't only not been fired for being either wittingly or not an incompetent gun running criminal, Barry supports this idiot whole heartedly! In fact, no one has been fired or charged for this blatantly illegal conduct. Is that not even a little troubling?

    So, please help me out. Why should I not hold someone who behaves in such a reckless, irresponsible and unconstitutional manner in contempt? Why, when I'm told that my rights as an American citizen are contingent on the good will of any president, that I should not call such a despot a Fucktard?

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