Confess something that might surprise others or damage your reputation on JUB - 2012

[loki81]

confession: I always thought Elvin came across as kind of an asshole but of course, I didn't know him well and I'm sure the people who did have a much better impression

back to people using fake pictures, before he was banned, I was pretty well convinced that MoltenRockIII was -- if not an outright sock puppet -- lying about just about all aspects of his life in his posts. there's another regular CE&P'er that I still think that about.

there was someone else... KingdomHeartsBoy or something? who I'm also about 90% convinced was posting fake pictures in the Show Yourself Off thread / Amateur forums.

[G-Lexington]

I accepted that others found Elvin a glorious, fascinating, enthralling human being...even though I didn't. I tried connecting with him on a few occasions, and he was always friendly enough, but I never really found much about him to really latch onto. But as someone who tends not to see the appeal of much of the music, movies and TV shows that other people seem to find addicting, I guess that's not surprising. I just left him for those who loved him, and went and found my own favorites.

Lex

[maxpowr9]

confession: I always thought Elvin came across as kind of an asshole but of course, I didn't know him well and I'm sure the people who did have a much better impression

back to people using fake pictures, before he was banned, I was pretty well convinced that MoltenRockIII was -- if not an outright sock puppet -- lying about just about all aspects of his life in his posts. there's another regular CE&P'er that I still think that about.

there was someone else... KingdomHeartsBoy or something? who I'm also about 90% convinced was posting fake pictures in the Show Yourself Off thread / Amateur forums.

I actually have MR3's cellphone number and have talked to him over the phone before. I don't anymore. While some stuff was clearly exaggerated, he actually is well off.

Yeah there are a lot of people who lie over the internet and there are a few I could easily point out on here. I have extended an invitation to some to meet up and they have outright refused which only leads me to conclude that they have some shame they don't want people to see. I've posted pics of myself and even my own voice so if people want to think I'm some fake schmuck, their loss/stupidity.

To be fair, the main reason I liked Elvin is that he was a Boston boy. If you are a local Bostonian, you realize that our city is more like a village in terms of community. Just look at the sheer amount of corrupt politicians we elect.

@Lex

Speaking of addicting TV shows, I normally hate "talent" competitions especially when they throw in the horrible human interest stuff, but I totally love The Voice. Never watched the previous seasons but for some reason I like this one.

[JohannBessler]

confession: I always thought Elvin came across as kind of an asshole but of course, I didn't know him well and I'm sure the people who did have a much better impression

back to people using fake pictures, before he was banned, I was pretty well convinced that MoltenRockIII was -- if not an outright sock puppet -- lying about just about all aspects of his life in his posts. there's another regular CE&P'er that I still think that about.

there was someone else... KingdomHeartsBoy or something? who I'm also about 90% convinced was posting fake pictures in the Show Yourself Off thread / Amateur forums.

Would that have been the erstwhile Laika?

He doesn't come in anymore, but I do think the Republican Party sent in a clone. Some of the ones who go in there have never once posted in any other forum, have never spoken of having a boyfriend, etc. I believe that one guy is a complete fraud, too.

One thing that came out of that discussion about stolen pictures is that, even today, I believe very many people underestimate the risks on the Internet. With this statement, I'm branching off onto another topic--not stolen pics anymore, now it's Internet Security. Please understand that.

It surprises me how little people know about that topic.

I took one of the men who was involved in that debate, and did some research. I found about six or eight of his pictures on other Websites. I know where he lives (more or less). I now know his birthdate, and even know his favorite porn star.

I only mention this to provide a specific example of just how easy it is to find info on somebody, and I don't even know all that much about computers, compared to others.

Be safe.

[loki81]

I actually have MR3's cellphone number and have talked to him over the phone before. I don't anymore. While some stuff was clearly exaggerated, he actually is well off.

interesting... some aspects of the life he presented to the JUB public just didn't quite add up to me.

(similar to people who post about being in the closet and having no friends, and then posting pictures of themselves in their underwear that were very obviously taken by someone else)

[borg69unimatrix]

Elvin was a force of nature you either loved, hated, or was indifferent about, with little grey area between.

For what ever reasons, I believe his personality rode both sides of the fence on almost every aspect:
arrogant/insecure, empathy/indifferent, extroverted/introverted, needy/independent ... You get the idea.

I think deep down, he's a good guy and meant well, but often times he was his own worse enemy.




I thought MoltenRock was a fake too.

[reone]

I had two coworkers tell me that the jeans that I've been wearing to work make my 'print' very noticeable depending on how I stand. The problem is that I've been wearing them to work for a few weeks now :/...and apparently you can see my penis shape. Awkward.

[RazorzEdge88]

Someone's packin'!

[refujiunderground]

not that it's the person you're talking about, but personally, I never understood the Cult of Elvin.

never understood it either. he didn't seem like anybody important when he was posting but when he stopped posting, everyone was like "why did elvin go? we miss him. come back". i haven't been in that long anyway to see him post like that.

but on another note, if there's one thing that i think is sort of annoying with some of the younger posters is how they appear to care about showing off how they look too much basically trying to ride off of that shit on the forums. "i look attractive so you must pay attention to me and what i say". must be a late teens/early 20s thing because i see the same type of mentality on other forums around people in the same age range. it seems like the younger generation is very superficial and vain. too much if you ask me. that's a really negative way of thinking if you put your value into how attractive people think you are at least that's what i think.

i actually envy the younger generation though. back when i was in my teens and in my early 20s, the things that were cool at the time was pretty much being a billy bad ass, having the best clothes, having street credibility and all of that. you simply couldn't enjoy being a kid. now these younger people are trying to act like they're older than what they really are when they actually have a chance to be their age and enjoy it. for real, it irks me when i hear a 20 year old guy talking to me about how bad shit is now and how good life was back in 1992. are you serious?

[RazorzEdge88]

It's even funnier to me to hear a guy in his mid-20's try to make some profound generational comparison between himself and a 19 year-old.

[refujiunderground]

It's even funnier to me to hear a guy in his mid-20's try to make some profound generational comparison between himself and a 19 year-old.

are you serious?

you may NOT think that there's a generation gap but there is. of course someone born in 1993 isn't going to see the world the same way someone born in 1986 will. the same way someone born in 1979 won't be able to relate to someone born in my age. i actually remember how life was growing up in the 90s. the internet wasn't popping back then. we had sega genesis and super nes. music was different. a lot of things was different back then. it was a way different world back then compared to the last decade. i actually was late with the internet as i first got on it in 2000. i think it's funny for someone born in 1993 telling me what life was back in the 90s when they were the 2000 kids. they can but you can't really take their opinion seriously. for a 90s baby born in 93 to talk about how things was back then is no different than me talking about how life was back in the 80s.


i think you're trying too hard.

[loveguys72]

the same way someone born in 1979 won't be able to relate to someone born in my age.

I resemble that remark!

[JohannBessler]

I don't know if there's a generation gap between 25yearolds and 19 year olds, but I see a glacier of a generation gap between 19 and 50 year olds!

That generation gap seems to sink through to the deepest levels of our thinking. I feel convinced that the reasons for this gap lie in the use of computers.

[RazorzEdge88]

i think you're trying too hard.

So you come up with Sega Genesis and "music was different" and you tell me I'm trying too hard? Riiiight.

You know, I actually agree with you about people born in the 90's and later becoming more and more vain, but then you went on this really long rant as if there's some huge generational gap between the two.

It just boils down to one aspect of life - it's socializing. I've actually noticed this when trying to flirt with guys - people older than I am are much easier to connect with than people my age or younger. If you're born right around '88 or after, more than likely, having a substantive conversation has been replaced with me-first, Facebook-driven vanity and mindless text-speak.

[refujiunderground]

just looked at myself in the mirror and upon observing the ever growing wrinkles that are showing up on my forehead, the spots from all the acne i had as a teen and etc, I'M UGLY AS FUCK!! wow, really ugly as fuck. it makes me sick to my stomach looking at my face but what can i do besides accepting how i look. i do NOT have control over how my face came out to be and that's me, damnit. i was born this way and i'm not going to change my looks for shit. i'm not going to die and it's not the end of the world because i don't think i'm attractive.

[Lefty]

Phuck, this thread is cranky tonight.

Age? Allowing 18 years per generation, I have been through 3 and 1 half. Reviewing the
changes I (as well as some others here) have seen and lived with, things have sped up,
5 years now makes a big fucking difference. Like the saying goes...
Time and tide wait for no man
Raz, you need an attitude tune-up, Johann you need to lighten up Bud. Face it boyz,
every body thinks they had it worse...ask your elders.

Fuji, we can't all be PRETTY BOYS. (thank god or whoever) Been my experience the prettier
the box the inside won;t measure up. A smile from the eyes and lips in person or in your voice
will be remembered long past a pretty boy/girl. Next trip to the mirror side, don't nit pick the
image. A man fixes what he can, lives with what he can't and tries another day.

how long does a pretty boy last on the street...working a house...or in the big house???

You are Lucky.

[JohannBessler]

Raz, you need an attitude tune-up, Johann you need to lighten up Bud. .

Actually, Lefty, I think my generation had it better.

I feel very glad that I'm 50.

[JohannBessler]

are you serious?

you may NOT think that there's a generation gap but there is. of course someone born in 1993 isn't going to see the world the same way someone born in 1986 will. the same way someone born in 1979 won't be able to relate to someone born in my age. i actually remember how life was growing up in the 90s. the internet wasn't popping back then. we had sega genesis and super nes. music was different. a lot of things was different back then. it was a way different world back then compared to the last decade. i actually was late with the internet as i first got on it in 2000. i think it's funny for someone born in 1993 telling me what life was back in the 90s when they were the 2000 kids. they can but you can't really take their opinion seriously. for a 90s baby born in 93 to talk about how things was back then is no different than me talking about how life was back in the 80s.


i think you're trying too hard.

I think what you're experiencing is quite normal. I just heard a 27-year-old female co-worker talk about how the young kids of today dress like "skanks". I laughed out loud.

I think 25 is the age in which one starts to first notice the fact that times were changing. I remember when I turned 25, I began to notice that things around me were changing, too.

I think it's a normal part of maturing.

[Lefty]

Johann,

I have 60 in the rear view mirror.

I don't think you had it any better or worse as a group.

What we all had was not better or worse than we made it for ourselves.

The one thing we all have in common...it was different...it is different...

and it will continue to be different. JMHO

[tombastep]

Raz, you need an attitude tune-up,

I think he is perfectly fine.

[JohannBessler]

The one thing we all have in common...it was different...it is different...

and it will continue to be different. JMHO

I agree with that 100%. I have already seen two major quantum leaps in my own lifetime.

Remember the MTV thread we had a while back? I'd noted that I'd shown my ladyfriend Karen a Beatles video, and she commented,"But they're stiff." I remember being absolutely floored by that statement.

We JUBbers all came to the conclusion that MTV changed the way our brains perceive music. Nowadays, people expect to see music as well as hear it.

Of course, we all know about the quantum leap in brain neurology that computers gave us.

As you say, it's different.

This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius they sang. How very very true that was...

(Just recently, I had an epiphany that RazorzEdge, Tombastep, and especially Borg brought on. But this will do for now.)

[borg69unimatrix]

(Just recently, I had an epiphany that RazorzEdge, Tombastep, and especially Borg brought on. But this will do for now.)

I'd love to hear it.

[Huntneo(PT)]

I think 25 is the age in which one starts to first notice the fact that times were changing. I remember when I turned 25, I began to notice that things around me were changing, too.

25 is the age when I started to realize how much I generally hate other human beings and being around them. It has only gotten worse from there.

[tombastep]

25 is the age when I started to realize how much I generally hate other human beings and being around them. It has only gotten worse from there.

Might have been around the same age for me, either way I feel you on this.

[RonR18]

25 is the age when I started to realize how much I generally hate other human beings and being around them. It has only gotten worse from there.

Sounds like you need a cute little Toy Poodle puppy to reinvigorate you.

[refujiunderground]

I think what you're experiencing is quite normal. I just heard a 27-year-old female co-worker talk about how the young kids of today dress like "skanks". I laughed out loud.

I think 25 is the age in which one starts to first notice the fact that times were changing. I remember when I turned 25, I began to notice that things around me were changing, too.

I think it's a normal part of maturing.

i disagree. when i was 25, i felt the exact opposite. it was like things didn't change and people were still thinking the same except there were new faces and different trends. either way, there's more people just being sheep and following along but not enough leading or individuality. the only thing that i noticed changing is how people are a bit too much into themselves to the point where they're becoming narcissist.

[JohannBessler]

I'd love to hear it.

Well, Borg, during that debate about the pics, two things struck me:

I was able to empathize very easily about Part 1 of it. That is, I could empathize with Segher's pain, embarrassment, irritation, etc, over his pics being stolen.

But Part 2 was a situation that my brain couldn't seem to process. Since there was more than one person who'd mentioned it, I had to look deep inside myself and ask,"Why can't I process this information? Why couldn't I empathize the fact that he didn't understand the risks?"

Since you, in particular, pointed out that several people had made the point, and I couldn't grasp it, I had to look inside for answers.

What I came up with was the fact that there was a generational gap on the issue. (Did you notice that? Opinions on the issue were divided on generational lines.)

I think that we older people see the Internet as something new, something foreign, something outside our existance, something we can "take or leave" if we want. Indeed, I could very easily go back to a world without cellphones and computers if I wished. So I understand the risks very well, and that's why several of us said, utterly bewildered,"When you put your pics online, it's public forever."

But younger people have grown up with a computer and a cellphone in their cribs. It's a part of their existence--it's a part of "who they are"--and I don't think they could take or leave it so easily. Indeed, several young people have said to me,"I couldn't live without my cellphone." That idea utterly bewilders me. I could ditch mine tomorrow.

So where I'm going with all of this is I believe young people's brains are wired differently than ours on this issue. So when you pointed out the fact that I couldn't grasp the concept, I grudgingly had to agree with you.

My brain simply couldn't compute the information. I meant no harm.

I have noticed generational gaps in thinking on several other issues.

- - - Updated - - -

^Good Lord sorry for such a long post...

[tombastep]

Wow.......

[Lefty]

Johann if this keeps up people will talk
They might even accuse us of having social intercourse.

That said, we so see some things the same. Where we read the paper
they read yahoo/google. Where we thought it was hot shit when custom
calling and push button dials came in, well, some kids now don't know what
a land line or newspaper is.

It started with computers that took up a floor of a building (remember?) now
the phucking cell phone is a computer, texting device, cam corder, clock, a
personal secretary oh... and a cordless phone too..

Sit down, buckle up, the most interesting is yet to come and these damn kids
will have our age people living at least 200 yrs ...that is, if our people don't
blow the whole fucking universe up first.

Don't apologise for long posts on slow days. Sometimes they help people to think.

[refujiunderground]

i actually like the cold weather because it reminds me about reality and how cold the world is. i know i get lost in the clouds at times where i daydream and get caught into these fantasies or my imagination BUT @ the same time, i'm well aware of what's outthere though and about how life has it's ups and downs and there are some things that we don't want to hear or deal with that we have to deal with. sometimes, i don't think the people around me are aware of it though. it's as if they're living in a different world than i am where they think they can't die or they can't be homeless or unemployed or have anything unfortunate happen to them. i pretty much am interested in the truth even as hurtful and ugly as it may seem. that's the reason why i'm here in the first place it's as if they're on another plane that i'm on.

i can acknowledge the fact of who i am, that i'm broke, unemployed, still living with my parents at 26, that i'm gay and etc. some people like to insult me with the truth that i admit about myself BUT what is the point of that when that's my reality. there's other people that say that i like talking about myself, am self centered and etc BUT i'm dealing with my reality. it's my life. i can't talk about your life since i don't live it. i'm trying to make my life better but this is how my life is NOW and i'm learning to deal with what i'm dealing with even if it irks me. i think it's also ironic how the same people that tell me all this shit are the same ones that have a hard time hearing the truth themselves from other people or even admitting it to themselves. that's the last person that i would want to criticize me. nobody's perfect and everybody's human. if you can get over that, then there's no need to act like you're better than everybody else.

[JohannBessler]

^nods>

I came up with an excellent analogy, too. I think they will be able to understand my inability to understand, with this analogy.

Lefty,you and I grew up with the Depression babies. God bless 'em, they're mostly dead now. But we know that their brains were wired differently than ours about credit cards. They didn't trust 'em. Period. Very few of them even had 'em.

So if I went to a restaurant, gave my credit card, and it all got stolen, they'd have empathy for me but no sympathy at all. "Why did you give your credit card to a complete stranger? Didn't you understand the risks? GIve cash, goofball" they would have said.

Of course, I, being a Baby Boomer, would feel raped by the credit card theft, and bewildered, feel violated, and so on, since we Baby Boomers grew up with credit...

[Lefty]

@ Johann,

If it get too intense at times, remember
'the sins of the father & as ye sow, so shall ye reap.
Hey old fart, like before us if it wasn't for the older
generation NOT ONE of us would exist today..

@ Fuji,

No problem talking your confused thought out here
streetboy. We all have to do that somewhere and
this is a where. Rant, Rave Laugh and cry...those
are all valid.

Taking things as a personal affront or dissing on the
others here just creates hate and fails to educate
share or entertain. We ALL need to remember that.
------------------
I do believe in go and do...

Do It but do no harm doing it.

[Huntneo(PT)]

i can acknowledge the fact of who i am, that i'm broke, unemployed, still living with my parents at 26, that i'm gay and etc. some people like to insult me with the truth that i admit about myself BUT what is the point of that when that's my reality. there's other people that say that i like talking about myself, am self centered and etc BUT i'm dealing with my reality. it's my life.

Don't worry about people and what they have to say about you. A lot of people give you shit, but personally-- I understand where you're coming from a lot more than you probably think.

If venting about things serve as some sort of outlet to make you feel some kind of relief, then fine.

We all deal with our..."situations" in different ways. You do you. It's okay to vent, be upset, and feel some kind of way about it all--but just make sure that you're being proactive and trying to change the things that make you unhappy.

The people who try to shit on you because of your circumstances are complete dicks who can't see that they can easily find themselves in similar situations. Some things can be taken away as easily as they are obtained.

[borg69unimatrix]

JohannBessler -

Some observations I've made about you from this thread, and a couple others (and you can correct me if I'm wrong), I feel you live your life sticking your head in the sand. I'm basing this mainly on your posts here where you caution everyone NOT to EVER put their pictures on line, and one where you said you park at the back end of a parking lot, and about using Linux so you're not hacked.

It seems like you obsessively live your life in fear of what might happen to you, and are basically (in my opinion) not really LIVING. You're hiding from everything, and expect to have something bad happen to you... and if it does, it was somehow deserved because you inadvertently did something 'wrong' and asked for it.

You spend more time trying to avoid the bad things then enjoying the good ones.

Sometimes, bad things happen to good people... without just cause.

YES - I do think people should be safe and cautious in all aspects of life - but I think you carry it a little far into the obsessive and extreme.

I hope this doesn't offend you.

[JohannBessler]

@ Johann,

If it get too intense at times, remember
'the sins of the father & as ye sow, so shall ye reap.
Hey old fart, like before us if it wasn't for the older
generation NOT ONE of us would exist today..

.

Yeah, the Depression Babies were something else, weren't they? Their brains were wired completely different from ours.

Even though I wanted to bean them sometimes, I loved 'em anyway--their crazy ways and all.

[Lefty]

BALLS I SAY
and BS too.

JB, Borgie. you live in such dissimilar locales and you environments so colour your viewpoints.

Mr. B, you're up with the Red necks, Tree huggers and a relatively stable population base.

JB you are down 1 state and over one. A bit more cautious, not from the head in the sand at
all. An environment that is highly highly transient, fluid with money based schemers, crooks,
grifters, transients and gambling bug bitten tourists littering the landscape.


My friends, You Two have more of the same core values (the important ones) it's just that
one of you operates on 3DHD and the other 3DBlueRay.

I'm not judging who is right or wrong having lived in both areas (and a few hundred others) I can
totally see both of your viewpoints

@borg, I doubt he is offended, he is an imminently practical man who always wants imput. Now,
we just have to modify his politics...lol

[RazorzEdge88]

JohannBessler -

Some observations I've made about you from this thread, and a couple others (and you can correct me if I'm wrong), I feel you live your life sticking your head in the sand. I'm basing this mainly on your posts here where you caution everyone NOT to EVER put their pictures on line, and one where you said you park at the back end of a parking lot, and about using Linux so you're not hacked.

It seems like you obsessively live your life in fear of what might happen to you, and are basically (in my opinion) not really LIVING. You're hiding from everything, and expect to have something bad happen to you... and if it does, it was somehow deserved because you inadvertently did something 'wrong' and asked for it.

You spend more time trying to avoid the bad things then enjoying the good ones.

Sometimes, bad things happen to good people... without just cause.

YES - I do think people should be safe and cautious in all aspects of life - but I think you carry it a little far into the obsessive and extreme.

I hope this doesn't offend you.

I get the same impression.

[Enchanted]

There's one particular JUBber that everyone fawns over whom I think is really quite homely.

That may be me

[refujiunderground]

i was going to come out to my brother but i caught stage fright. i think i MIGHT do it @ 7:50 pm tops before he goes to sleep. wish me luck. i am scared.

[refujiunderground]

just came out to my brother and

[maxpowr9]

25 is the age when I started to realize how much I generally hate other human beings and being around them. It has only gotten worse from there.

For me, it was 19 when I became an RA. I got knocked down so many rungs on the moral ladder that I just stopped caring about human beings in general. I'm a little better now with individuals but as a society, I still subconsciously feel that many people just use others for their own benefit and that altruism is dead.

[sixthson]

just came out to my brother and

Congrats, Nick!

Details, please?

[refujiunderground]

Congrats, Nick!

Details, please?

i went to my brother asking him to see the new download content in tekken tag 2 in my room. he agreed. i was going to get him to play the game with me and then come out to him while i was playing. he was there for like 10 minutes and then went over to his room. i decided to go over to his room where he was watching that show that charlie sheen was fired from, two and a half men. so he's on his bed watching the tv and on his laptop at the same time. i told him that i had to tell him something real quick. he was like cool. i shut his door and then told him that i told mom and dad already, i'm gay. he was shocked like "really". he thought i was playing a practical joke on him. i was like "it never occurred to you that i was gay" and he was like "nope". i was like how about when i was a kid acting all effeminate and stuff, he was like "i didn't see it". then he said that "it makes sense because all the times they would get me to talk to chicks and stuff. i never would do it or i wouldn't say shit to them". he took it much better than my father and my mother. he said that he'll support me.

i'm thinking about coming out to my friend tomorrow. he'll be an interesting case.

[reone]

Congratulations, sir. Continue stepping forward.

[twinkerbell]

are you serious?
... the same way someone born in 1979 won't be able to relate to someone born in my age. i actually remember how life was growing up in the 90s. ...

I couldn't disagree more. I'm 22 and my partner is 51 and we've been together for 4 years. We find tons of things to talk about and relate to in each other. One thing that I love is that we kinda teach each other. I'm always learning new stuff and so is he by our being different. I think guys my own age are fun to play with but really kinda boring.

[reone]

I think being able to relate to people of different ages is based completely on the individuals involved. It might be the case that two people born five or ten years apart have trouble relating, but it is based more in their individual experiences and mindsets than it is in how far apart they were born. The space in time will obviously play a role, but it's only one factor.

[G-Lexington]

i went to my brother asking him to see the new download content in tekken tag 2 in my room. he agreed. i was going to get him to play the game with me and then come out to him while i was playing. he was there for like 10 minutes and then went over to his room. i decided to go over to his room where he was watching that show that charlie sheen was fired from, two and a half men. so he's on his bed watching the tv and on his laptop at the same time. i told him that i had to tell him something real quick. he was like cool. i shut his door and then told him that i told mom and dad already, i'm gay. he was shocked like "really". he thought i was playing a practical joke on him. i was like "it never occurred to you that i was gay" and he was like "nope". i was like how about when i was a kid acting all effeminate and stuff, he was like "i didn't see it". then he said that "it makes sense because all the times they would get me to talk to chicks and stuff. i never would do it or i wouldn't say shit to them". he took it much better than my father and my mother. he said that he'll support me.

i'm thinking about coming out to my friend tomorrow. he'll be an interesting case.

Keep on keeping on.

Lex

[Huntneo(PT)]

i told him that i had to tell him something real quick. he was like cool. i shut his door and then told him that i told mom and dad already, i'm gay. he was shocked like "really". he thought i was playing a practical joke on him. i was like "it never occurred to you that i was gay" and he was like "nope". i was like how about when i was a kid acting all effeminate and stuff, he was like "i didn't see it". then he said that "it makes sense because all the times they would get me to talk to chicks and stuff. i never would do it or i wouldn't say shit to them". he took it much better than my father and my mother. he said that he'll support me.

OMGAH!

You're about to have me over here crying and shit.

I'm so proud and happy for you right now.

[maxpowr9]

So after spending 4 days in South Carolina, I almost feel sympathy for people that live in the South. SC is one of those states where it is cheaper to go out and drink than to buy at a liquor store. It cost $20 for a fifth of vodka which is just absurd. I get a handle for that price up in MA. Course a pack of cigs down in "flavor country" is half of what it costs in MA.

[johaninsc]

So after spending 4 days in South Carolina, I almost feel sympathy for people that live in the South. SC is one of those states where it is cheaper to go out and drink than to buy at a liquor store. It cost $20 for a fifth of vodka which is just absurd. I get a handle for that price up in MA. Course a pack of cigs down in "flavor country" is half of what it costs in MA.

what part of SC did you visit?