Corbin-Fisher Update - 2012

[PhunkSpunk]

I loved listening to Joshua talk about his flippy-floppy date with Adrian and Peter's threesome with Pierce on CF. So I'd love to hear similar CF stories. The problem is I think those particular SC guys were all from So Cal (Pierce was a Marine).

The Tampa site was much more conducive to clandestine hook-ups if only because their was nothing else to do -- meet me behind the pool shed at midnight!

I love to think about Dru and Trey staying in touch, doing a kind of long-distance fuck-buddy thing. I also like to think about Dru passing through LV and hanging out when he needs to scratch the itch. Doubt it's happening but it's a nice thought.

I wish Dru and been around for Elliot: that would have been a Dean's List match! There really are only a handful of regulars who seemed like real college guys: Trevor, Brent, TJ, possibly Connor, Art School for Josh. Some of the more popular short-term guys like Ethan and James. This says more about the fact that fewer and fewer people, guys especially, are taking the traditional 4 years of college straight out of high-school path.

I agree that Elliot has that smoldering sexy thing going on in a way CF hasn't seen since Nick.

[yankeesfan]

The Tampa site was much more conducive to clandestine hook-ups if only because their was nothing else to do -- meet me behind the pool shed at midnight!

When I first joined CF, it was Brent that I fantasized about most (still do), and I always pictured him seducing the other guys (TJ mostly). He was so sensual and passionate that I imagined him sitting down next to another guy, feeling up their muscles, and they'd be taking his curved dick up their asses before they knew what hit them.


I'm so completely bummed that the Yankees playoff game is on a rain delay.

[PhunkSpunk]

"fantasy" is the operating term. I doubt anything of the sort happened. More likely a lot of x-box in the downtime between shoots.

[michaelscarn]

It's easy to imagine Brent seducing any and all of the guys. So many of his scenes are what I consider classics. Derek. Trent. TJ. Jesse. Noah. The list goes on.

[qwerty393]

a while back i was doing one of those free randy blue video chat room things with andrew stark (ty). After a while the convo turned to his time at cf. Someone asked if he and travis had ever done anything off-camera before and Andrew said that Travis once sucked his dick in some guy's garage. Have no idea if he was telling the truth, but ever since then Travis has always been in my cf fantasy pairings. Travis/derek (that fabulous belami scene), travis/dawson (someone mentioned that they were friends and hung out off camera) travis/dru and anyone he ever had chemistry with (basically everyone)
also i have a fantasy/suspicion that this isnt the first time dawson and kip have been together...the sex was so natural and familiar and comfortable....i think of them as fuckbuddies who met at the gym or something...

[michaelscarn]

I find it pretty easy to fantasize about Derek and Travis hooking up off screen. Those two were way into each other and it showed in all their scenes.

[PhunkSpunk]

Someone asked if he and travis had ever done anything off-camera before and Andrew said that Travis once sucked his dick in some guy's garage. Have no idea if he was telling the truth, but ever since then Travis has always been in my cf fantasy pairings.

They both worked as strippers at the Midtowne Spa in Denver.

[Windsong]

I think it might be fun to hear about other posters off-screen fantasies. This thread could use a shot-in-the-arm.

I gotta be honest. I don't think I really fantasise about the guys hooking up off-camera.

I create fantasies about the scenes themselves. As a for instance, the TJ/Jeff/Lucas scene in the barn (which involved a very literal roll in the hay) - I imagine that as two blond country cousins and their boarder from the city. Or Brent and Dylan - that's a bi-curious young man and his older brother's gay best friend. I think I have a whole storyline for the Nick/Dave/Lucas assortment of scenes.

And I know that, in my head, the shower-scene for Josh and Dru went on a lot longer, and Dru bent Josh over in the shower and pounded him senseless, again.

I like to imagine Brent and Josh hooking up (maybe a date, and they return to the house, and Brent pulls Josh's shirt off and ties his hands behind his back with it). But I think that's about it.

I have yet to meet a woman who would admit to finding m/m relations a turn on.

It's funny, I'm sort of in the middle on that one. I've had female friends who were definitely turned on by the guy/guy thing. But I've also known girls who weren't into it at all. They weren't homophobic (at least, a couple of them weren't, since they knew I was gay), or anything, but it just didn't appeal to them at all.

I envy the younger generation, many of them can just live out their sexuality without fearing much backlash. Some don't even limit themselves to labels and just do as they please.

I know what you mean. I know I shouldn't be admitting this out-loud, but sometimes I find myself resenting people for being able to make decisions and choices that I couldn't (and still can't). Which, yes, I know that's decidedly unhealthy, but I tell myself that it's also a decidedly human response as well. Let's just say we're all works in progress.

It's easy to imagine Brent seducing any and all of the guys. So many of his scenes are what I consider classics. Derek. Trent. TJ. Jesse. Noah. The list goes on.

Dylan.

But c'mon. It's easy to imagine Brent seducing the furniture, or potted plants. Brent was just that seductive. And such a sweet-heart, too.

[statsguy]

I create fantasies about the scenes themselves.

But c'mon. It's easy to imagine Brent seducing the furniture, or potted plants. ... Brent was just that seductive. And such a sweet-heart, too.

e.g. After the Brent / Logan scene ends, Brent and Logan wash the other side of the car and then have another go around with Brent on top.

If you want to learn what to do with your hands while having sex, watch Brent and/or Derek - cf's top two touchy feely guys, very sensuous. ("Sweetheart" was part of Brent's vocabulary.)

[Monniejo8]

does anybody have the ACTUAL link of KYLE FUCKS MARCUS? ive been trying to find it but i cant seem too

[statsguy]

^^ It's Kyle II (there are three cf Kyles.)

http://www.corbinfisher.com/ACMPrevi...d=262&site=ACM

[studybuddy]

I'm simply expressing my opinion based on being on the planet as a gay man for nearly half a century and not once in that time have I come across a straight man who would be happy to do bareback gay sex for any amount of money [...]

Have you actually tried? I'd be very curious to hear about your attempts.

[Manipulation]

Some people are calling others delusional for believing that these guys may not be completely straight. COME ON!!!

You honestly believe that THE MAJORITY OF these men who constantly have sex with men and are good at it, don't enjoy it, even a little bit? Please.

Josh, Aiden, Dawson, Dru, Travis even Ty (even Kurt wild): they've all done sexually suspect things in the past and/or continue to do them.

Josh: It was found out in h profile on a sex website (adult friendfinder?) that he described himself as a bisexual in his profile. And you still believe he's 100% straight?
Aiden: Revealed on video that he wasn't sure of his sexuality before CF, and having a lot of sex with guys/girls made him "cool with it"? He also preformed at SC before coming to CF. And you still believe that he's 100% straight?
Dawson: Revealed in an interview that CF was a way to explore another side of his sexuality (read: the GAY SIDE) without the judgement of the real world. and you still believe he's 100% straight?
Dru: Has worked in SC before coming to CF. Also revealed to have messed around with guys before doing porn. And you still believe he's 100% straight?
Travis: was a stripper at a gay club before doing gay porn. And you still believe he's 100% straight?
Ty: Always said he was 100% straight at corbin fisher, now in a recent interview he's being coy and won't give a solid answer one way or another. Either he thinks his audience is stupid or has short term ammesia and doesn't remember his previous statements. He has nothing to gain by him making those statements. Either way, you still thinks he's 100% straight.

Kurt: always said he was straight. He even was on the tyra show talking about his children and how straight he was. Now, he says he's just a sexual person, and doesn't like labels. And you still think he's 100% straight?



You know what these men have in common? There are people out there who viciously defend them as straight guys as if it's impossible to even consider the possibility that they have same-sex attraction.

It's you guys who have to go through mental gymnastics. It really is.

[hellproof]

I'm a little bit behind watching the updates, but just caught Blowing Neil, and wondered what everyone thought of Neil here?

I really liked him, I thought he had a great personality which came across really well on screen. Just watching him made me want to get back to going to the gym. lol.

I think he'd do really well in a pairing with Cain.

[PhunkSpunk]

It's you guys who have to go through mental gymnastics. It really is.

You wouldn't give a rat's ass about any of these guys if they weren't hot.

Personally I've never said that the models listed above were exclusively straight, or even that they don't enjoy doing their scenes. I just think that if money wasn't on the table, they likely wouldn't act upon their curiosity. And I think most of them are exclusively straight in their personal lives.

FYI Ty/Andrew Stark was always upfront about his bisexuality.

Calvin/Kurt gives a remarkably candid account of his sexuality in that interview with Daddy Mugs. However I read a post suggesting that his five children were 'just for show'. That's a 10/10 gold medal performance in mental gymnastics.

The fact that Travis worked as a dancer at a gay establishment says nothing about his sexual orientation. Are you aware that the majority of the strippers and hunky shirtless bartenders in gay establishments are straight? Echoing Chi Chi La Rue, John Blair told me that they're just easier to work with: they provide eye candy to draw customers and they don't get involved with them (or each other for that matter).

[hellproof]

Has anyone seen Brett Swanson (CF's Dylan) in the latest Randy Blue scene with Skyler. I got to say I think the lad looks good with the facial hair and his body is on point.

[Manipulation]

You wouldn't give a rat's ass about any of these guys if they weren't hot.

Personally I've never said that the models listed above were exclusively straight, or even that they don't enjoy doing their scenes. I just think that if money wasn't on the table, they likely wouldn't act upon their curiosity. And I think most of them are exclusively straight in their personal lives.

FYI Ty/Andrew Stark was always upfront about his bisexuality.

Calvin/Kurt gives a remarkably candid account of his sexuality in that interview with Daddy Mugs. However I read a post suggesting that his five children were 'just for show'. That's a 10/10 gold medal performance in mental gymnastics.

The fact that Travis worked as a dancer at a gay establishment says nothing about his sexual orientation. Are you aware that the majority of the strippers and hunky shirtless bartenders in gay establishments are straight? Echoing Chi Chi La Rue, John Blair told me that they're just easier to work with: they provide eye candy to draw customers and they don't get involved with them (or each other for that matter).

1. Who are you to question me about who I find attractive?

2. Of course these people wouldn't just have sex for free, GAY MODELS WOULDN'T EITHER.

3. Andrew Stark previously claimed that he was straight. In a recent interview, when directly asked about it, he wanted to keep people guessing and he didn't answer one way or another. Show me where he himself directly says that he's bisexual.

4.My point about Kurt wild is that he was previously claiming he was 100% straight, and now he's not.

5.I didn't say that gay stripping made you gay. I implied that it was unusual for "straight" male strippers to go into gay porn.

Oh, and yes. I know many people have internalized homophobia. That's why so many people can get away with crap like gay-for-pay. God forbid the guys in gay porn are actually gay. That would be horrible. This kind of thinking incentivises heterosexuality and punishes homosexuality. ANd the defenders who use any and every reason under the sky to explain why so many straight people constantly do gay porn except for the one reason that maybe, just maybe, they might be attracted to the people who they're having sex with just a little bit.

Gay-for-pay apologists like you are part of the problem.

[Jupiter Street]

Completely off topic: Parker gets a taste of Connor.

[PhunkSpunk]

I'm not apologizing for gay4pay. It's just a fact that a lot of people, gay and straight, aren't willing to accept. I wasn't at first until I heard from a fair number of inside sources that, yes, they are straight. "It would surprise you just how straight they are."

There's a story about Logan. After a hot scene with a gay model (Blu Kennedy?) he was asked if he wanted to hook-up later. Logan replied politely "hey, thanks but I'm not like that. This is my job."

It's entirely possible for a young guy with lots of androgens on-board to respond to tactile stimuli and become aroused without necessarily being attracted to his partner. When I was 18 I'd get a boner if my dick rubbed against my jeans the right way.

Consider the guys on Active Duty. These are guys who jump out planes for a living. For them gay sex is just a dirty dare, like eating worms -- only with a nice pay-check when it's over.

This is what you said:

Travis: was a stripper at a gay club before doing gay porn. And you still believe he's 100% straight?

That simply doesn't follow, especially since it's my understanding that these establishments actually go out of their way to hire straight men. As for his moving from dancing to gay porn, chances are some agent or even Jason Gibson himself saw him perform and offered him more money.

From Ty's write-up:

Usually, I get to say that a guy discovers so much of themselves, sexually, after arriving at CF. They experience new things here they never thought they might have experienced before, do things they'd hardly even imagined before, and realize that they like it. Their horizons are expanded and have all sorts of fun!

I don't really get to say that with Ty, however! This young man is so aware of himself sexually and is so adventurous when it comes to sex that he showed up ready for just about anything we could throw at him!

[PhunkSpunk]

the trailer he says it's his first time exclusively topping. I guess he'd like to forget about that disastrous first with Joel. Be interesting to hear Alex Graham's take on it.

oh, yes, he's smokin' with that chin-strap jock-beard going on!

[fuxwell]

1. Who are you to question me about who I find attractive?

2. Of course these people wouldn't just have sex for free, GAY MODELS WOULDN'T EITHER.

3. Andrew Stark previously claimed that he was straight. In a recent interview, when directly asked about it, he wanted to keep people guessing and he didn't answer one way or another. Show me where he himself directly says that he's bisexual.

4.My point about Kurt wild is that he was previously claiming he was 100% straight, and now he's not.

5.I didn't say that gay stripping made you gay. I implied that it was unusual for "straight" male strippers to go into gay porn.

Oh, and yes. I know many people have internalized homophobia. That's why so many people can get away with crap like gay-for-pay. God forbid the guys in gay porn are actually gay. That would be horrible. This kind of thinking incentivises heterosexuality and punishes homosexuality. ANd the defenders who use any and every reason under the sky to explain why so many straight people constantly do gay porn except for the one reason that maybe, just maybe, they might be attracted to the people who they're having sex with just a little bit.

Gay-for-pay apologists like you are part of the problem.

Great post. I couldn't agree with you more. Your comments about internalised Homophobia are spot on.
Until we, as a community, can accept ourselves as gay men and realise that there is nothing wrong with that, then we are second class citizens and will remain so. This goes for our porn stars as well.

What hope do we have when even our own favourite porn stars sell us down the river by either being "straight" or denying their sexuality?

Its interesting to ponder how few gay porn stars make the shift to straight porn. The reason for this is always given as "the money". Perhaps it is? Or perhaps the just can't?

Its also interesting to ponder that we are told that these stars are "exploring their sexuality" and "at first he was a bit shy and reluctant". This is done in front of cameras, lights and several other men watching.

[Manipulation]

There were a few problems with your post punkspunk. We can both shout out anecdotal evidence all day long. I have many stories of porn actors who were straight, and then later "became" bisexual. I think that they were afraid of their sexuality all along, and they didn't want to admit it.

Is it possible that a guy could get turned on by the sensation of touch? Yes. Is it likely that they would keep being aroused without making a ridiculous amount of cuts to a video? No.

Yet many of you would have everyone believe that there are tons of guys out there who are not attracted to guys yet they are really dedicated to having sex with guys, having sex with guys well enough to make an enticing video, willing to plaster that event all over the internet, willing to take the time to keep their bodies in tip-top shape, shave their pubic hair, travel to the right locations and clean themselves out constantly, and do this for year after year? Oh, and you want us to believe that there are enough of these kind of guys that many websites can limit themselves to using only these people and have no problem finding takers?

Those are a lot of leaps of faith that you want people to take to support this.

Secondly: you're saying that Travis, who has a "straight guy mentality" had a choice to either dance and strip for guys at a safe distance for good money, or have his ass invaded by dicks and every inch of his body fondled and defiled by men for a little more money? Why would he choose the second option if he wasn't already really comfortable with the idea of sex with men in the first place? Hence, the "sexually dubious" part.

About TY: Nowhere does it say that he's bisexual. In fact, many of those normal write ups that CF does are just as "incriminating" and describe models who you probably would swear are "straight".

[CageyB]

I don't care about who the models like to fuck at home. This doesn't mean I have some kind of internalized homophobia. I don't even see why it matters. They're actors. This is like being deeply concerned about whether Johnny Depp is actually an effeminate pirate in real life. If the porn in question isn't fetishizing straightness, I don't see why anyone cares who the models may actually be attracted to. Like, of all the things to turn into a pointless political issue, this is easily one of the most ridiculous.

[Windsong]

I think the trap with G4P is that assuming it applies to a majority. You know, any attractive heterosexual college-age guy is only one pay-cheque (with a lot of zeroes) away from doing gay porn. And irrespective of everything, I just can't buy that. Kids these days know how far-reaching the internet is. Gay porn isn't going to be the first stop on their "I need money in a hurry" train. They're gonna get a second job, sell some weed, put on a balaclava and knock over the local KFC. Very, very few of the guys I grew up would've even considered gay porn as a career option. As for young men just being generally horny, I don't care how many zeroes would be on the cheque, if I was offered money to do straight porn, my response would always be, "No." But thousands and thousands of dollars and no.

I'm not siding with our two new contributors on this (seriously guys, tone down the fire and brimstone. You'll make more friends in the long-run). At the end of the day, I'll say what I've always said. I absolutely believe that G4P exists (look at Nick. In fact, he's so pretty let's go look at him anyway), but nowhere to the degree that Mr Fisher would have us believe.

the trailer he says it's his first time exclusively topping. I guess he'd like to forget about that disastrous first with Joel. Be interesting to hear Alex Graham's take on it.

oh, yes, he's smokin' with that chin-strap jock-beard going on!

Yeah, I didn't even keep the scene with Joel. He was better as a bottom, at that point in his career as a porn performer. But honestly? Not sure about the chin-strap beard. I preferred him clean-shaven *shrug*.

[PhunkSpunk]

troll alert!

[PhunkSpunk]

Yet many of you would have everyone believe that there are tons of guys out there who are not attracted to guys yet they are really dedicated to having sex with guys, having sex with guys well enough to make an enticing video, willing to plaster that event all over the internet, willing to take the time to keep their bodies in tip-top shape, shave their pubic hair, travel to the right locations and clean themselves out constantly, and do this for year after year? Oh, and you want us to believe that there are enough of these kind of guys that many websites can limit themselves to using only these people and have no problem finding takers?

Working for Corbin Fisher likely provides Dawson (that's who you're talking about) with an income and a lifestyle so he can essentially live at the gym. I think that's why he in particular does it. Probably Connor, too. Given the kind of money they've made and the likelihood that they each owns a piece of the operation, manscaping and the occasional bowel regimen doesn't seem like too much to ask.

Secondly: you're saying that Travis, who has a "straight guy mentality" had a choice to either dance and strip for guys at a safe distance for good money, or have his ass invaded by dicks and every inch of his body fondled and defiled by men for a little more money? Why would he choose the second option if he wasn't already really comfortable with the idea of sex with men in the first place? Hence, the "sexually dubious" part.

I'm sure it was quite a bit more.

About TY: Nowhere does it say that he's bisexual.

Because it doesn't have to.

I don't understand why it's homophobic, 'internalized' or otherwise, to suspect that most of these guys are pretty straight. What is homophobic is the bizarre extent to which gay men insist that their porn models be 'straight'. Out gay models rarely work out on these sites. They routinely get raked over the coals on this and other threads. Look at 'Sloane', another hot guy whose only defect was being gay. Conversely, there's an entire thread on this board dedicated to "Rocco Reed", a straight porn model who has condescended to do gay porn (because it pays much better). He's not that good looking, but he's 'straight' so therefor he must be hot (?!?!)

[fuxwell]

Seriously - Dawson and Connor are straight?

As for Dawson living at the gym - you're probably right but there may be a different explanation for all of this.

I would also like to introduce you to a concept called "Narcissism". This may be a better explanation than "they are really straight but like having cocks up their arses" (in the case of Dawson more than one at a time).

[notime]

troll alert!

The lame come-back for anybody who disagrees with the mighty "Oz".

[PhunkSpunk]

and a witless one from the the usual suspect.

[studybuddy]

I don't think it's necessarily possible to take a particular model and figure out whether he is actually straight or gay. We know that the companies that provide us with information about them have a vested interested in promoting particular images.

One problem is that different people have different definitions of what it means to be straight or gay. Some people define it by behavior: so if you fuck a guy, then by definition you're either gay or bi. Some people define it by an innate orientation: you could fuck 50 girls, but if you're actually oriented toward men (in some hard-to-measure way) then you're gay.

But I think another big problem with having this type of discussion is that we misunderstand who we are talking about. It is unquestionably true that I know (and most of us probably know) twenty or fifty straight guys who would likely never consider having sex with a guy on camera. But the fact is that we all probably also know at least twenty or fifty gay guys who would never consider having sex with a guy on camera. Participants in these discussions often act like whether a model is straight or gay is the most salient fact about them, but I have another hypothesis: what matters most is that these guys--by definition--all fit into the subcategory of guys who will fuck, in public view, on camera, for money.

I suggest that characteristic is just as important as their sexual orientation, and it seems silly to conjecture about them based on our own experiences with people who do not fit into the personality type of men willing to fuck on camera. There may be some psychological characteristics that are more likely to show up in this group than in the general population.

At the very least, I think it's safe to say that Corbin Fisher boys, on average, have less impulse control than the general college-age population, don't you?

[Singularity]

This again. (Rinse and repeat)

My stance is pretty clear; to me G4P is a pure marketing strategy because I believe sexuality is not exclusive - it's all relative to you and what you like. Even I, who's never been with a woman in my life (my first kiss and I did kiss a few on stage/film) sometimes find myself checking out a hot girl. In that case it's not really sexual but more the whole package - looks, character, etc. Would I have sex with her for money? No, not because I don't want the money; my equipment just doesn't work and has never when I was with a girl in that way.

As for gay porn, it's not the same as hooking up on gridr or cruising a club. It's a safe environment for men to live out those sexual urges that society, religion and politics forbade them all these centuries ago, and still do in some way. The fact that they make a little money is of course a catalyst but deep down, most of them like doing what they are doing, it's just that admitting that so openly would immediately kick them on society's curb because so many people - gay, bi or straight - still don't approve of pornography or prostitution.

As for the labels, we are just stuck on them because we humans need a clear definition of who, what and where we are. This counts for everything in society, religion and politics. Without it we'd all be lost sheep, however, we are free of mental constraints and ready to live in the moment. For example, I don't like labeling myself 'gay' because that immediately evokes every gay stereotype. People will immediately start wondering why I don't look, act or live like a typical gay man; a "lifestyle" that revolves around sex, clubs and gay cruises - in their mind. I simply am a guy who is not interested in sleeping or dating women.

I thought I could just call myself a 'straight' man who prefers sleeping with guys and I immediately received a backlash on that - here of all places. Apparently, you can only be straight if you regularly sleep with a woman but you keep that label even when sleeping with a man on [regular] occasion(?). You're only a bisexual when you actively pursue men as possible mates (like every girl a straight guy picks up is a future wife...) and you're gay when you don't have or look for a girlfriend, though you can sleep with them on occasion yet you are still gay because you're not interested taking it any further. Ché?

In a way, we are all just a little fucked up in the head, aren't we? I'd prefer we'd just drop labels altogether because I'm starting to get really confused. I see straight men appear somewhat gay in their demeanor and think "Oh, I can pursue him" but alas, I'm wrong. However, guys I've always ignored because they didn't give me a signal that tells me they're approachable slip through my fingers, and then watching all these having so much fun with each other on the internet but clearly reassert 'it's just a job' it's frustrating.

I'm just saying.

There were a few problems with your post punkspunk. We can both shout out anecdotal evidence all day long. I have many stories of porn actors who were straight, and then later "became" bisexual. I think that they were afraid of their sexuality all along, and they didn't want to admit it.

That's my theory. I've seen a few interviews where the models admitted of using gay porn to "hook up" with hot guys without going through the hassle of cruising appropriate venues. Yet at home, they share their life with a nice girl. Nothing wrong with that.

Yet many of you would have everyone believe that there are tons of guys out there who are not attracted to guys yet they are really dedicated to having sex with guys, having sex with guys well enough to make an enticing video, willing to plaster that event all over the internet, willing to take the time to keep their bodies in tip-top shape, shave their pubic hair, travel to the right locations and clean themselves out constantly, and do this for year after year? Oh, and you want us to believe that there are enough of these kind of guys that many websites can limit themselves to using only these people and have no problem finding takers?

It's odd to note that these guys live a gayer lifestyle than me. If you took the money out of the equation and only looked at the time spent at the gym, count the plentiful men they fuck and list all the many gay events they visit for promotional purposes year after year, a G4P model has a much more gay-centric identity than I do.

[AlanWakePlayer23]

Oh I wanna throw my 2 cents in!!!!!!

There were a few problems with your post punkspunk. We can both shout out anecdotal evidence all day long. I have many stories of porn actors who were straight, and then later "became" bisexual. I think that they were afraid of their sexuality all along, and they didn't want to admit it.

This actually happened with Jordan Levine of RandyBlue after he did his BJ scene with Chris Bines. We were all talking about his upcoming scene on RB Live Chat and he was really excited about it. He said that he was straight, but he had so much fun and enjoyed his BJ scene that hes definitely bisexual now because of the experience. Personally I found him much more of a turn on after that revelation, and Im sure hes not the first one to have that new state of mind.

Secondly: you're saying that Travis, who has a "straight guy mentality" had a choice to either dance and strip for guys at a safe distance for good money, or have his ass invaded by dicks and every inch of his body fondled and defiled by men for a little more money? Why would he choose the second option if he wasn't already really comfortable with the idea of sex with men in the first place? Hence, the "sexually dubious" part.

"Fuck My Hole" anyone?

About TY: Nowhere does it say that he's bisexual. In fact, many of those normal write ups that CF does are just as "incriminating" and describe models who you probably would swear are "straight".

Ty has stated multiple times on RB Live Chat and WayBig scenes that feature him in a scene AND in interviews that he is Bisexual. He has (had?) a girlfriend and a "boytoy" on the side that he messes with. Even in a RB interview on YouTube he was talking about the weirdest thing that happened to him and he said he was having sex with 3 other people and "he was fucking a guy while someone else was fucking a girl." -that wasnt the weird part btw it was something else-

I think the trap with G4P is that assuming it applies to a majority. You know, any attractive heterosexual college-age guy is only one pay-cheque (with a lot of zeroes) away from doing gay porn. And irrespective of everything, I just can't buy that. Kids these days know how far-reaching the internet is. Gay porn isn't going to be the first stop on their "I need money in a hurry" train. They're gonna get a second job, sell some weed, put on a balaclava and knock over the local KFC. Very, very few of the guys I grew up would've even considered gay porn as a career option. As for young men just being generally horny, I don't care how many zeroes would be on the cheque, if I was offered money to do straight porn, my response would always be, "No." But thousands and thousands of dollars and no.

^^^THIS RIGHT HERE^^^

Seriously I dont understand it. Even around here we talk about how broke we are, but we arent running to gay porn even as a last resort. We always just say, "Well, Im in school for a good job, so I better make it through so I can pay all of this stuff back!!!" And you know 10 years from now we are gonna see one of them on the Tyra Show (oh god forbid shes still on TV) talking about how porn ruined their life.

Seriously - Dawson and Connor are straight?

Ya know, for some odd reason I really cant stand those 2....

[Manipulation]

Working for Corbin Fisher likely provides Dawson (that's who you're talking about) with an income and a lifestyle so he can essentially live at the gym. I think that's why he in particular does it. Probably Connor, too. Given the kind of money they've made and the likelihood that they each owns a piece of the operation, manscaping and the occasional bowel regimen doesn't seem like too much to ask.



I'm sure it was quite a bit more.



Because it doesn't have to.

I don't understand why it's homophobic, 'internalized' or otherwise, to suspect that most of these guys are pretty straight. What is homophobic is the bizarre extent to which gay men insist that their porn models be 'straight'. Out gay models rarely work out on these sites. They routinely get raked over the coals on this and other threads. Look at 'Sloane', another hot guy whose only defect was being gay. Conversely, there's an entire thread on this board dedicated to "Rocco Reed", a straight porn model who has condescended to do gay porn (because it pays much better). He's not that good looking, but he's 'straight' so therefor he must be hot (?!?!)

Its quite a gigantic jump to assume that you know exactly what Dawson and Connor spend their money on.

Do you know how much gay stripping makes? It's pretty good money. Good enough so that it's comparable to porn. There's a world of difference between letting someone watch you dance naked, and having sex with them. I can almost guarantee that travis was making enough money with stripping that the allure of getting more money wouldn't be THAT big of a draw, especially if he was straight. On the other hand, if he was comfortable with having sex with men, then it's a much easier proposition for him to do porn.

It's homophobic to continue to defend these people as straight when strong evidence suggests that they might not be. The very idea of gay-for pay is a homophobic idea developed to take advantage of gay insecurities and desires.

(Side note: Rocco Reed is probably gay. Rocco isn't just some no name, he's an established male performer in the straight world and commands a premium paycheck. Why would a straight guy like that decide to go to gay porn exclusively? Money is the only reason why any "straight" guy says that they do these things, and that's less of a factor for him because of his position. Also, don't forget the fact that he broke off all contact with the straight industry. There are similar precedents in the gay industry as well. Don't forget Kevin Crows, or Chris Rockway, who broke off all contact with the gay industry to do straight porn.)

[hellproof]

What did we all think of Parker rides Connor?
Parker came across very nervous, he pretty much said so himself. Am I right in thinking Connor didn't suck Parker off - was a little disappointed by that. All in all, I think this update fell a little flat for me. Maybe I'm all Connor'd out at the moment.

Has anyone seen the Double Penetrating Blake scene? Would love to hear some reviews?

[hellproof]

Also looks like the 30% discount for ACM members of CF Select is now permanent.

[Windsong]

Manipulation, you still think the idea of G4P is offensive, while in the same breath mentioning Chris Rockway? I'm not following you here. The gay "desire" (to see two straight men having sex), well, I'm sure there are similar thought processes to a straight man's desire to see two lesbians together. I don't think "homophobic" is the right call to make, here.

(and yes, not all guys are into girl/girl scenes. But not all gay guys are into straight/straight scenes. I admit that sometimes the idea that a model is straight is a turn-on, but other times with TJ or Lucas or Ty or Brent, the sexuality doesn't matter and I just want to see these beautiful men onscreen. These are subjective, individual thought processes that are incredibly complicated, and you're trying to paint the entire spectrum with a single brush. It ain't working.

Again, I believe that a lot of those supposed 'straight' models identify in their private lives as gay, sure. But I'd never deny that G4P exists, because it so obviously does)

And you know 10 years from now we are gonna see one of them on the Tyra Show (oh god forbid shes still on TV) talking about how porn ruined their life.

I heard that Tyra drinks the tears of the innocent. So, like Madonna (who eats the souls of third-world babies) and Cher (who's had so much plastic surgery, she's probably part-Terminator, by now), she'll be around forever.

Ya know, for some odd reason I really cant stand those 2....

I think it's a fairly safe bet that Connor (ie, tall, blond and dick of STEEL) is ninety-nine percent straight. I think he's comfortable with himself, and he enjoys the sensation of sex (even if he's not attracted to the specific partner he's with) ... but every now and then, you catch a glimpse of genuine enjoyment and arousal.

As for Dawson, like I've said before, he's such a part of the site that getting a read on him is nigh-impossible these days. Dawson is such an entrenched character, who knows? I'd believe that he was bi, maybe but I'm not sure I'd believe that he was completely heterosexual and this was all just a job.

But who knows? Corbin's selling a product. The truth doesn't factor into that.

[Austin28]

^Hell ya now I really don't have to sit and wait to fund out if any of the scenes were good coming for other people... I won't be a disappointed if the scene fell flat paying almost 7 bucks... So on that note has anyone bought Marc n Connor today... Still at work and hoping this one is a bit better than yesterdays scene...

[BottomsUptown]

Hey Manipulation, what about consumers of gay porn who aren't gay men? There are several women right here in this post who consume gay porn. Could it be that g4p porn is made w/them in mind? Increasingly it seems porn purveyors are making product for them. I won't speak for these women, but it wouldn't surprise me if some women who dig g4p porn actors are into the fantasy that they can actually have the guys they see on screen involved in hot sex w/other hot guys. You know, kinda like how some str8 guys watch porn involving 2 ostensibly str8 women going at it. Those women are also g4p.

[statsguy]

Parker and Connor: I liked it. I thought it was one of the most natural sounding and looking scenes in a long time. Then they got to the shower and Connor explained that he tried to keep the “noise” down because there were painters in the hall outside the unit where they filmed the video. (So now we know that cf doesn’t own the whole floor in the high rise.)

In the last few months I gotten to be more of a Connor fan (I never thought that would happen). I’ve developed a fantasy about Connor being an escort in LV. He’s got the body and cock for it. He’s courteous. He’s big enough to be able to do anything you would want. And his butt is eminently fuckable. I especially like watching his backside when he’s fucking someone. I’m also impressed with what he’s done with his physique while he’s been at cf. (I originally thought he was kind of a dough boy.)

Parker was nervous, which I hope is the primary reason he was pretty well woodless throughout the video. I'll say a couple of things about the self-proclaimed gay models at cf: they're good at sucking dick. In a couple of gulps Parker took Connor’s dick all the way down. Likewise, when Parker sat down on Connor's cock it went all the way in. (Normally with a new model Connor only fucks with about half his dick.) Parker also knew how to use his hands. (I wonder if Connor gets anything out of someone playing with, or sucking, his nipples.)

I also liked that this video was shot in a bedroom in the high rise - a bed, good use of the mirror, a lit bathroom with a working shower, and natural lighting. The "dramatic" lighting used in cf's studio scenes is fine some of the time, but when used scene after scene it gets old. There are some nice shots in this video. I also liked the post-sex shower.

I hope Parker is in a couple more videos where he’s more relaxed. He also said he’s normally a top, maybe that would help. Not five stars but a good video.

Guys watching themselves in the mirror while fucking


Parker used his hands

[PhunkSpunk]

Which model do you think showed up with a shaved head as per Pete's twit? I'm guessing Harley, though I'm hoping not.

[statsguy]

One more data point in the g4p discussion. I bought Zane Michaels' new book (Zane of az, remember them?) Zane wrote a paragraph or two about their first "gay" model. The guy was also the first model that had a full time regular job and didn't need the money too badly. Apparently, the "gay" model had lots of things he would or wouldn't too. The taping of the scene took 2-3 times as long as any other videos - lots of drama. What Zane wrote, and I'm paraphrasing here, was that all of the models that they had hired up to that point were straight and really needed the money, so they would do anything you asked them to do (bottom, etc.) The "gay" guy was much less obliging. Zane doesn't say whether he thought the problem was the guy's sexual orientation or whether it was he wasn't quite so desperate for $$.

[Singularity]

I think it's a fairly safe bet that Connor (ie, tall, blond and dick of STEEL) is ninety-nine percent straight. I think he's comfortable with himself, and he enjoys the sensation of sex (even if he's not attracted to the specific partner he's with) ... but every now and then, you catch a glimpse of genuine enjoyment and arousal.

I think the arousal is in having his ego stroked - to make a quite appropriate pun.

Connor is a narcissist and gay porn focuses very much on that - just look at how buffed and coiffed these guys become during their "career". He may not have thought of going into gay porn at first but it didn't stop him from pushing his own envelope and now he's been fucking pretty much every guy who's come through CF's doors. We can argue about whether he'd gone down the same or a similar path if he weren't on CF but he is where he is and he doesn't seem to intend on doing something else.

As for Dawson, like I've said before, he's such a part of the site that getting a read on him is nigh-impossible these days. Dawson is such an entrenched character, who knows? I'd believe that he was bi, maybe but I'm not sure I'd believe that he was completely heterosexual and this was all just a job.

But who knows? Corbin's selling a product. The truth doesn't factor into that.

Dawson grew up in front of photo cameras and showing himself off on the internet. I hardly remember his start on CF but even without it I'm sure he'd have found his way onto xtube to show off a little more and make some extra money. However, with CF (or any other company) it was easier to find other guys with similar "interests", which has helped him develop into the sexual being he has become now. Albeit, I still believe he (and many other models) have a slightly distorted view thereof because of how manufactured their sexual awakening has been (just as we have comparing it with our own). Clearly, discovering your sexual identity with a camera in your face and a director breathing down your neck is quite different to discovering it on your clumsy own with a reasonably hot guy you met at a club or a gym.

[yankeesfan]

Hey Manipulation, what about consumers of gay porn who aren't gay men? There are several women right here in this post who consume gay porn. Could it be that g4p porn is made w/them in mind? Increasingly it seems porn purveyors are making product for them. I won't speak for these women, but it wouldn't surprise me if some women who dig g4p porn actors are into the fantasy that they can actually have the guys they see on screen involved in hot sex w/other hot guys. You know, kinda like how some str8 guys watch porn involving 2 ostensibly str8 women going at it. Those women are also g4p.

I can only speak for myself, but thinking or fantasizing that I could have one of the guys that I'm watching isn't a big part of it for me. I mentioned a few pages back that when I fantasize about one of the CF guys being in bed with my husband and I, it's not me that they're doing anything with. I do have to admit that Brent is an exception - I've always fantasized about being with him just once. Hmm

I like gay porn because it's just hot. Part of the fascination for me with a company like CF with a mix of G4P and gay performers is trying to figure out who might be gay or who is straight but has found that what they're doing really does feel good. I'm sure that there are some mixed in who are "scratching an itch" or satisfying a curiosity in a safe environment. In the end, it doesn't really matter as long as they look like they're enjoying it and the sex is hot.

[julesmangrove]

It's homophobic to continue to defend these people as straight when strong evidence suggests that they might not be. The very idea of gay-for pay is a homophobic idea developed to take advantage of gay insecurities and desires.

I don't get why people would yell at each other over their sexual mores : to me, porn is a fantasy, hence completely subjective.

If Phunk gets his kicks from a "I can't believe those guys are straight" scenario, more power to him. Just like bdotb81-2 wants to believe that bareback is going to save the world (I tease).

For me the "straight guys do what" part of CF was pretty much ruined back in 2006 when there was a fan site (can't remember the exact name, something like "blond straight guys...") would take the promo pics and photoshop comments, stupid quotes from the official write-ups and other assorted silliness, basically ruining the whole CF propaganda. The snark was too great and I could never see the performers in any other way.

I don't see what "reality" of a performer's real-life orientation has to do with porn as a product : to me it's the same as believing that in their private sex life, they would be as acrobatic as they are in their videos. I understand that the "trying to guess" is part of the fantasy and that's why this thread is thriving.

For me I enjoy porn the most when I can believe that the performers are just exhibitionists doing it for kicks and not just strapped for cash models : I like when Aiden laughs during a scene, but when Tom says during PA that it's just a way to grab some quick cash, my boner drops. That's why when "work ethics" and "job dedication" are discussed on the thread, I sadface


The "exhibitionist" fantasy I have about porn also is away to feel included as an audience, as being looked at should be part of the enjoyment the performers can get out of being sex workers.

What I find much more aggravating is people complaining about performers being gay like the really hateful post over at M E N O F P O R N at the moment : I hope Manipulation really got into "Dave" in the comments.

[Jackie Marlow]

People assume female porn stars are damaged, hate men or have been molested as children. Gay porn stars are straight sociopaths? I doubt it's all that easy.

[stacy]

On the G4P topic: When I first began my journey into being a gay porn "fan" I was watching mostly twinks, and not once did I imagine any of them was going to turn to me and say "wait, who's she? I want her instead!" When I realized there were other sites out there with guys who were more my body type and look, (CF, Sean Cody) I still didn't imagine they were going to be mine someday. I just like to watch two men enjoy themselves. I immediately stop and delete videos where I feel like a guy is being forced, or is totally uncomfortable with the situation. I have occasional moments of wonder, is this guy really gay 'cause damn he's doing a good job of enjoying this, but for the most part I just want to see them have fun. And I don't really care which side of the scale they fall on.

The thing to remember is this: none of these guys are being forced into a life of gay porn. They sign up willingly. They seem to be enjoying themselves because, hey, novel concept, they're there on their own free will. That doesn't change their orientation, it changes how they see sexuality. Let people identify themselves however they choose to. When you came out, or have to come out to people who don't know you, how fucking annoying is it to hear "really 'cause weren't you having sex with every woman at *insert college, school or town name here* Do you feel any less gay because you played straight at one time or another?

On Connor & Parker: I think Connor likes being with gay identified models. Whatever that says about Connor is not my concern. I just notice a pattern. With the straight identified models he is less sensuous and just wants to get into the action and be done. With Parker he kissed him a lot, and not just the usual Connor touch lips quick and move on stuff. Open mouth, sensual. He also took his time in the scene. So I liked this one. I don't really care which side of the fence Connor falls on but I do wish he would at least act as interested in other models as he did Parker.

TL;DR : I'm a female who likes gay porn for the sexiness of the dudes, but has no fantasy about them being with me. Enjoyed the Connor/Parker video 'cause Connor was a little less Connory.

[OwenMeany]

I too read the Zane (of Austin/Zane) book, I'm rather embarassed to say. Just to make myself feel less silly, let me say I read the whole thing in about an hour, so it didn't take up a large portion of my life. Oh, but I did skim through some of it, because really, a lot of it is very tedious and poorly written.

I bring this up, because it is interesting, sad, and as it turns out for me, TMI. Behind the scenes isn't so much fun after all. Constant bickering and stealing each other's girlfriends. Everyone is straight and having to take "boner pills." Pretty much everyone, including Brett, signs on because they are dead broke and/or have children and/or past due child support to pay. Guys can't get it up, can't cum, cameramen get wasted and ruin a scene. "Best friends" finally can't stand each other and the site goes to shit and gets sold.

So, I'll take shiny, happy CF. Yeah, it's fun to speculate how gay or straight Travis might be, but I don't particularly need to know the answer. I think they handle it just right - giving just enough information (true or not) for subscribers to feel they know the guys, but definitely not too much.

Now to go scrub my eyeballs clean. What a sad story.

[PhunkSpunk]

If Phunk gets his kicks from a "I can't believe those guys are straight" scenario, more power to him.

But that isn't what I said. I think most of them are pretty straight, despite what they do, and that the hard-core, piggy acts they so effortlessly perform, as well as the frequency with which they do them, actually support their underlying straightness. As homosexual acts mean nothing to them, they take direction. Add Zane to the list of industry insiders who would concur.

This isn't t say that their 'straightness' turns me on. Whenever I watch a scene I try to find ways to convince myself that the models really are gay: those scenes which succeed are usually good for at least a couple of squirts. However once the fire in my loins has been quenched and I'm able to review the scene objectively, I usually think otherwise.

That's why when "work ethics" and "job dedication" are discussed on the thread, I sadface

A few years ago a much-missed poster, xeontron, was the first person on here to discuss Dawson's 'work ethic'. He said something to the effect that Dawson's that guy who always shows up at work ten minutes early, not so much to impress the boss, but to do a good job. That perspective has always tempered my understanding of Dawson, even as he has become a pig power bottom: he's just taking one for the team. I can still see him being straight in his personal life.

[PhunkSpunk]

Guys can't get it up, can't cum

A few years ago I actually corresponded with Jesse. He didn't give away any big secrets (I was trying to get the 411 on Brent). But he was another who commented on how stunning and incredibly nice Dawson was in person. He also said of 'The Gang Bang' shoot that Dawson was so straight that it took him a half an hour of jerking off to pussy porn to cum (which is why Brent was able to go back for seconds in that scene)

[yoshi8]

Today is Kent fucking Chuck. Not a bad scene. Not great, but decent enough. I love Kent. Like enough that I think I honestly just don't care about what his personality is, I want to marry him. I just wish the guy would bottom more before he gets really boring.