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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    Quote Originally Posted by belamo View Post
    ...Then your point (if there's any ) in posting it, is that Dick and Awe are, in at least one respect, essentially the same crap...
    I think I'm only reiterating my previous posts. My overriding point is that both of them, and Virginia too, are becomingly increasingly sidelined in our fast world where everything is packaged for our quick consumption;viz http://scruffyjizzmonkey.tumblr.com/archive

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    I think I'm only reiterating my previous posts. My overriding point is that both of them, and Virginia too, are becomingly increasingly sidelined in our fast world where everything is packaged for our quick consumption;viz http://scruffyjizzmonkey.tumblr.com/archive
    And what on Earth would be wrong with that as long as our appreciation and enjoyment proceeds unhurriedly?

    How much time and how many opportunities would be lost if someone else hadn't spared us a lot of trouble and time-wasting by packaging it all up before?

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    ^ are you referring to Charles, Virginia, Jane or the Jizz-monkeys?

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    ^ are you referring to Charles, Virginia, Jane or the Jizz-monkeys?
    Imagine if we HAD to waddle through all the printed bread&butter mediocrity and crappiness starting from 2012 to get to discover and enjoy 1800, 1600, 800 or 400's cream of the wit.
    I have so often wished it were so with male listings too... gayromeo is hardly a beginning.

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/18/bo...ok-review.html

    An article for the Austenite of this century.

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/18/bo...ok-review.html

    An article for the Austenite of this century.
    That was not about and for Austenites, but Janeites You didn't read me above, at the beginning... did you

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    God I hate Dick.
    No wonder people who ever had the bakcward and perverted remains of judgment to praise so highly his work and the Tyndale-James Bible as grrrrreat achievements of human wit and aesthetic endeavor, are also usually the ones who make such screwed-up judgments concerning morals, politics and what not.
    I don't think I will get through this project of reading his complete works, and I daresay, judging by the general criticism, that I am more scared of undertaking the reading of The Old Curiosity Shop than of the Huge Depression and WWIII brewing to a boiling point right now.

  8. #58

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    I started listening to the LibraVox recording of "The Mystery of Edwin Drood after watching the movie from youtube, but he just goes on and on and on like my mother after she'd been out on a shopaholic binge.

    There's a good film version of "The Pickwick Papers". Someone uploaded a version with Spanish subtitles on youtube.

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    Man, I'm so infatuated with Austen's work these days... especially with all that bicentennial hype around Dickens going on which, however, doesn't so much vex me as amuse me in a supercilious sort of way.

  11. #61

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    Caro Belamo, why are you bothering with these long-winded English people when you have Cervantes (and others I've not heard about)

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Caro belamo, why are you bothering with these long-winded English people when you have Cervantes (and others I've not heard about)
    Because Cervantes has got better prose than any of them, but no actual FINE, globally well-composed work... even his style is quite faulty outside the Quijote: the Ejemplares are somewhat stiffy, and the Persiles is sometimes bloated and often rather cloying in its sweetness (I mean syntax alone). But I still prefer any of that before that [lesser] Anglo God Dicky, or the average Anglo prose-deliverer.
    You know I have always held Crusoe in high steem, as the most "classically" piece ever written in English, and only the Huck Finn has given men something I longed for and could never find in the Spanish prose heritage or elsewhere in modern literature: a great stylist using simpler syntax and general economy, together with deep poetic feeling, used to build a work of higher general significance. To think that I didn't discover it until my middle thirties... or Byron's Juan until my very late twenties! While I considered Keats of the greatest ever until still a couple of years ago... and Poe! EVER!! even if it was during a brief period when I was 18...

    So the alternative to Anglolit wouldn't be the Spanish one, or French or Chinese or Russian, Catalan or even less German *bluh*, but my dear books of Latin or even ancient Greek classics
    What others exactly have you not heard about?

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    Balzac.

    All the rest can perish

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    Quote Originally Posted by oakpope View Post
    Balzac.

    All the rest can perish
    Balzac. Is. Caffeine.
    Rivers. Of pissed caffeine. Un gros roman-fleuve qui est disparu sous terre quand la source a été tarie.
    That's. That.

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    Is there a more bad ass gay character than Vautrin in all of the 19th ?

    and Balzac piss is an other gold river

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    Quote Originally Posted by oakpope View Post
    Is there a more bad ass gay character than Vautrin in all of the 19th ?
    https://www.google.com/search?q=mald...w=1024&bih=498

    And you would consider yourself a true Frenchman?

    Quote Originally Posted by oakpope View Post
    and Balzac piss is an other gold river
    http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...g_elephant.jpg

    How uncommon.

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    Quote Originally Posted by belamo View Post
    And you would call yourself French?
    Yes As noted on my passport

    And I much prefer the human Vautrin to the otherworldy Maldoror (yes Lautréamont is a genius also, but one long poem can't compare to the Human Comedy immensity).

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    Quote Originally Posted by oakpope View Post
    Yes As noted on my passport

    And I much prefer the human Vautrin to the otherworldy Maldoror (yes Lautréamont is a genius also, but one long poem can't compare to the Human Comedy immensity).
    Precisely: how can the badassness of a devil apprentice compare to a real one, even if it's a lesser real devil

    As for the Comédie Humaine, it is immense as unfinished can be.
    Some others would say that it doesn't get more "immense" than the DIVINA Commedia... or The Bible

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    To better understand human condition, which is preferable, knowing about human comedy, or about divine one ?

    Maldoror is evil because he was born this way, by nature. Vautrin had to do what he did because of society, hence he is more interesting to me.

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    ^
    you two make me ashamed that I'm spending my time on an interactive site with hoes and bimboes here when I could be investing my time with those greats that you mention

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    Oh don't be ashamed
    compared to some here, I am an illiterate

    If you want to begin Balzac, one of his most "easy" novel is "Eugénie Grandet".

    A free english translation here

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    ^
    Thanks Oakpope. I will attempt it.

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    Quote Originally Posted by oakpope View Post
    Yes As noted on my passport


    7:07-7:34
    It seems I forgot to post it before

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    Quote Originally Posted by oakpope View Post
    To better understand human condition, which is preferable, knowing about human comedy, or about divine one ?

    Maldoror is evil because he was born this way, by nature. Vautrin had to do what he did because of society, hence he is more interesting to me.
    http://s3.hubimg.com/u/214914_f260.jpg

    Yeah, I know, I know: what is more incommensurable, the whole universe or a single atom, the whole landscape of Creation or the variegated play of a single speck of human existence?

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    ^
    lovely !

    thanks !

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    Quote Originally Posted by oakpope View Post
    ^
    lovely !

    thanks !
    what

    for what

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    the movie

    (was too slow to reply )

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    Quote Originally Posted by oakpope View Post
    the movie

    (was too slow to reply )
    oh

    yes, that movie is a true gem. And Audrey Hepburn was the loveliest pedorra ever to grace the silver screen, or whatever color it is

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    I am enjoying IT so much that I needed to rebump this thread...

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    Love, love, LOVE Jane Austen! I've read Emma 3 times, and don't even get me started on Pride and Prejudice. As for Dickens--I can take it or leave it.. but Great Expectations? What a snore..

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    Quote Originally Posted by GregKII View Post
    Love, love, LOVE Jane Austen! I've read Emma 3 times, and don't even get me started on Pride and Prejudice. As for Dickens--I can take it or leave it.. but Great Expectations? What a snore..

    Yeah actually I tried to read Great Expectations and found it a bit of a slog. Loved Pride and Prejudice

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    Quote Originally Posted by Keeland View Post
    Pearls before swine, indeed.
    Indeed... http://d29ci68ykuu27r.cloudfront.net...0/19446861.jpg

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    The other day I saw a woman reading Emma with a serious, almost stern expression on her face..: whoever does THAT?! (apart from a dickensite/charleyite, that is) was it because it was a Spanish translation?

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    Rebumping.

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    Thread caught my eye because I'm going through Dickens again for the second time and while I love him more than Austen I appreciate them both. I think I'll give Austen another spin after I'm done with Dickens. Belamo, you might give John Milton a look for some truly classical English. I'll sometimes pick up _Paradise Lost_ at a random point and start reading it aloud just for the pleasure of the language.

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    Quote Originally Posted by OPHELIA_HARDIN View Post
    Thread caught my eye because I'm going through Dickens again for the second time and while I love him more than Austen I appreciate them both. I think I'll give Austen another spin after I'm done with Dickens. belamo, you might give John Milton a look for some truly classical English. I'll sometimes pick up _Paradise Lost_ at a random point and start reading it aloud just for the pleasure of the language.
    I discovered Milton's craft in his PL last year: it was a revelation (how could I ever have been so blind or, more accurately, so stupidly repelled by the incipit... although the quote placed at the beginning of Frankie Goes to Geneva had been singing in my head since they made me read it -in Catalan- in high school) verse after verse, chant after chant, and nothing obscure, as it is supposed to be. I threw Keats to the waste bin (literally... well, I took one thinner volume I had kept and placed it in a shelf of one of the only two decent bookstores in BCN: it was cleaner than when I bought it) and now I cherish an illustrated edition of PL as one of the great literary treasures... even if it is on the B list of it all
    English verse is Shakespeare and Milton... there is nothing else to my knowledge to deserve being even remotely placed along with them... as of yet?

    As for Dickens, like I usually say about all hypes, it is not so much Dickens itself that I hate as Dickens as the apex of anything good. Austen has never been hyped in relation to anything serious like mere literary quality, because enlightened readers just appreciate, enjoy and shut up, while Janeism gives her a bad reputation among the clueless.
    Last edited by belamo; November 7th, 2013 at 12:21 PM.

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    ^ What do you think of my use of the words pride and prejudice in this thread?

    http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thre...ou-like-comics

    Do you think Austen holds both pride and prejudice up equally as negative qualities?

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    I voted "Dickens' work." Chuck's catalogue is too exquisite to ignore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    ^That was one of the best books, i have ever read...

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    I have only done Pride, Expectations and Twist from beginning to end.

    My life is too short to do Dickens and Austen again. My friends say I must attempt Middlemarch but I don't think I can bother with Breist if it has SO many characters to bother with.



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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    I have only done Pride, Expectations and Twist from beginning to end.

    My life is too short to do Dickens and Austen again. My friends say I must attempt Middlemarch but I don't think I can bother with Breist if it has SO many characters to bother with.


    It is only 38-line 290 pages in the dtv klassik version and, as I said today elsewhere, it reads like Austen (like a crappier but still sophisticated version of Austen, that is ), unless the translator to English is as talented and competent as Dubya.

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    Two hundred and ninety is too much.

    The only piece of fiction that has motivated to get through more 250 pages in the last few years has been this English, Gay, plot-driven story.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Two hundred and ninety is too much.

    The only piece of fiction that has motivated to get through more 250 pages in the last few years has been this English, Gay, plot-driven story.

    Oh, so you don't mind wasting your precious life in crap as long as it is wrapped in male homoshit, fundamentalist that you are, what a surprise!

    Although I admit that I bought that book, apart from being only €2.50 and, of course, having become an addict to those second-hand bookshop stores, is that I needed something to read during the total forty minutes I travel almost everyday, that wouldn't compel me to take down notes, and that I could be throwing away as I go through it, by that meaning that I could not travel with the sort of books I intend to keep, in the present or in any other state of my collection

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    Good god. This thread is as interminable as an Austen pulp. It even survived my reincarnation.

    For the love of god, let Austen die, already. Even I have that much sympathy for her.

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    Quote Originally Posted by Keeland View Post
    Good god. This thread is as interminable as an Austen pulp. It even survived my reincarnation.

    For the love of god, let Austen die, already. Even I have that much sympathy for her.
    *pat mode on* Austen is immortal! she is above and beyond your silly symphathy, so you can keep your stupid comments and sufferings for yourself: you are defeating your own purpose
    Besides, there is no "pulp" in her, she is all pure "absolute"*pat mode off* *belamian mode* *belamian mode*

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    Quote Originally Posted by belamo View Post
    *belamian mode* *belamian mode*
    A legend in his own mind.

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    Where's the Rowlingite option?

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    Where's the Rowlingite option?
    *Morgan Freeman's voice* Iiin yooour miiiiiiind... *Morgan Freeman's voice*

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Keeland View Post
    A legend in his own mind.
    One jealous of a nothing
    Last edited by belamo; March 5th, 2014 at 12:16 PM.

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    Re: Dickensite or Austenite

    Austen for me...I've always found Dickens to be utterly painful.
    blacksyringe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callum View Post
    Austen for me...I've always found Dickens to be utterly painful.
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