Overkill

[navigaytion]

Most Americans have been bombarded with 9/11 commentary and media coverage for weeks now. I am simply put off by the constant orgy of flags, crying firemen, singing children, and rehashed 9/11 clips, among tons of other stuff. We know what happened. Why is it that revisiting this suffering so publicly and commercially, is OK? Stirring up people's emotions is not a good way to let the dead rest easy, and does nothing for their memory. So, I fail to see the value in this pomp and think it's overkill.

[pat grimshaw]

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Navi dear, you just need to look away. It'll all be over in 3 days.

[gmoney]

You make a good point...to a certain extent. The bombardment, that the media is doing is a bit much, but at the same time, I think we need to be reminded that this was, and is for our generation, our own "Day of infamy". The families of the ones will forever be changed. Some have had no remains to gain any type of closure. Let those who remain get whatever comfort they can from these memorials and move on.

[AshyPhoenix]

I'm just glad I don't have TV... While it's something that should never fade from our consciousness, it's a horrible memory for me. I was 11 when it happened and was literally traumatised by watching the live broadcast. It's still difficult for me to hear a jumbo jet's engine noise without feeling the same way I did back then.

[roadtripboy]

I've been avoiding the coverage all weekend.

I hope it brought some comfort to those directly affected.

But, I just couldn't watch any of it.

[Pierresro]

I wonder why we do not have annual memorials to the Oklahoma Bombing remember that was done by one of our own Jesus Freaks. I thgink the worst thing we did to dishonor those almost 3,000 soulds was to invade a country Iraq that had absolutly nothing to do with 9/11 nothing, and there by besides inocents killed almost 5,000 of our own. Any one who voted once let alone twoce for Bush should be ashamed of themselves.

[HunterM]

Yes, it means more to those who had been directly affected. Let the media have their field day. It's the 10th Anniversary after all. We adults know what happened because we experienced it. But what about teenagers today? They were too young to remember what happened.

Just like WWI, WWII, the Holocaust, Pearl Harbor & Vietnam War, time heals all wounds.

[navigaytion]

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Navi dear, you just need to look away. It'll all be over in 3 days.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[navigaytion]

I wonder why we do not have annual memorials to the Oklahoma Bombing remember that was done by one of our own Jesus Freaks. I thgink the worst thing we did to dishonor those almost 3,000 soulds was to invade a country Iraq that had absolutly nothing to do with 9/11 nothing, and there by besides inocents killed almost 5,000 of our own. Any one who voted once let alone twoce for Bush should be ashamed of themselves.

Because that means we would have look at ourselves and the religious zealots in our own country that do us harm. It's much easier to demonize the foreign "other," which is why the 9/11 festivities are so popular.

[navigaytion]

Yes, it means more to those who had been directly affected. Let the media have their field day. It's the 10th Anniversary after all. We adults know what happened because we experienced it. But what about teenagers today? They were too young to remember what happened.

Just like WWI, WWII, the Holocaust, Pearl Harbor & Vietnam War, time heals all wounds.

Yes, but it also matters how we remember things and how they're recognized.

[Danncer128]

Its being covered because it is the 10th anniversary, and it marks the opening of the memorials at the three sites. And this isn't some over dramatization. they have had similar memorial services every year. This year not only marked the 10th anniversary, but also a chance for the family of the victims to see the memorial built. I think its ashamed people attack the media for covering something that deserves to be covered, and should above all else be covered.

And I think it very rude that someone would call them "festivities". No matter it 10 years or 50 years, people are still going to be dealing with what happened on that day. Everyone says people need to remember it and it will never fade, well this is the way to make sure it stays fresh in our mind. That we never forget the tragedy of that day.

[JP.]

^^ Do you hate Christmas? I can't blame u to be a Grinch of 9/11

At least respect it, please.

All the coverages are tedious and bore, but that's what I like about America. We care much about each individual related to 9/11 event. I would say this "empathetic" coverage won't happen in China because that country is robotic yet insensitive to human rights.

At least this humanity is what makes me proud to be included as American.

[illgetbi]

Most Americans have been bombarded with 9/11 commentary and media coverage for weeks now. I am simply put off by the constant orgy of flags, crying firemen, singing children, and rehashed 9/11 clips, among tons of other stuff. We know what happened. Why is it that revisiting this suffering so publicly and commercially, is OK? Stirring up people's emotions is not a good way to let the dead rest easy, and does nothing for their memory. So, I fail to see the value in this pomp and think it's overkill.

Money and power.

Just like all Holidays.

Why does everyone go along with it? Well, as I said in another thread...

In my opinion, 9/11 should be a day of remembrance for the victims of a mass murder. And nothing more.

I don't understand why so many people have this strange disconnect between the feelings they felt that morning with the feelings they feel now.

...beats me.

[frankfrank]

I wonder why we do not have annual memorials to the Oklahoma Bombing remember that was done by one of our own Jesus Freaks. I think the worst thing we did to dishonor those almost 3,000 souls was to invade a country Iraq that had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 nothing, and there by besides innocents killed almost 5,000 of our own. Any one who voted once let alone twice for Bush should be ashamed of themselves.

Wow, new guy and GREAT POST!! Interesting point, there's NO commemoration of any kind on April 19 (which should not only include OK City, but also Waco from two years earlier, and Columbine).

Indeed the invasion of a country which sent NONE of the 20 hijackers (which became 19, because one guy didn't make Flight 93 in time or he was sick or something), meant that three thousand murdered people were indeed dishonored to the utmost degree possible.

Hoping to see you here more, I certainly agree with you.

[rareboy]

This thread is just a pitiful attempt to validate your own nastiness and to make you feel better about getting your ass handed to you in the 9/11 avatar thread.

You have no intellectual or moral high ground here.

You don't understand. Simple as that.

For over a thousand people who never even got remains of their family member back to bury.....including the family of of our friend Aaron, yesterday is the first time that there is any physical way to reconnect themselves to their lost loved ones at the WTC.

You have no right to question this. None at all.

And you will never recover from the other thread.

[pat grimshaw]

^

And the Abominations shall be Upon You!

And the Pestilences shall be Upon You and Yours!

And, as the night follows the day, all manner of Evils shall be brought down upon you, your cattle and your minions!

So Sayeth The Lord. By the Power invested in me, yada, yada, yada,

[rareboy]

And as usual, some of the alter ego personae have nothing of substance or relevance to add to a discussion.

Odd isn't it?

[TheFallenAsexual]

In regards to 9/11, I don't mind revisiting that day because it was one of the darkest days in American history and, quite simply, any other TV/radio programming will fail to match its importance. It's the tenth anniversary. I watched the readings of names, looked at every single picture and listened to people speak words to their lost loved ones on how their kids have grown or their family has come along in the last ten years. It was very moving and I made sure to tell my parents I loved them afterward. We never know when we get that last chance.

I thought the ceremonies in sporting events were well-handled especially because baseball was one of the first signs of New Yorkers' lives returning "to normal" after the attacks.

It's the ten year anniversary. To anyone who doesn't like the footage? You're over the hump at least. We probably won't see this much again until the 25th anniversary, so hold your horses, it's not about you anyway. But as someone who has interest in remembering the events of 9/11, I have to applaud the media outlets I watched for doing a really great job.





BTW, this isn't a response to anyone in particular, just my general thoughts on the subject.

[pat grimshaw]

in response to post #17; 'Just keeping it real'

I'm reminded of the old blowhard minister from the Metropolitan Community Church.

He was overjoyed when the AIDS crisis arrived because his congregation doubled and quadrupled in size. And he could spout his old fire and brimstone emotional blackmail and self-aggrandisement to a much bigger audience.

[AlmondMilk]

I can only imagine being one of the families to lose a loved one. Imagine marrying the man or woman of your dreams. S/he is gone because of that day.

My grandmother died a couple of years ago, and up until this day I still bawl my eyes out when I go to a church and they start playing some emotional hymn that plays the fuck with my emotions. In ten years I may not be as bad, but it's still nice to remember her. I'm sure the same is for those who died then.

[tombastep]

You try to hard.

[csb999]

Public shared emotions . Thank you I'll have my own emotions on my own schedule . I'm not very good at funerals either , will miss people at the most absurd moments and in the most absurd ways .

[mbamike]

I am sadden by the terrible tragedy of 9/11. My condolences to the family and friends of those who died. However, I chose not to watch or listen to any of the remembrance/memorial shows.

[navigaytion]

This thread is just a pitiful attempt to validate your own nastiness and to make you feel better about getting your ass handed to you in the 9/11 avatar thread.

You have no intellectual or moral high ground here.

You don't understand. Simple as that.

For over a thousand people who never even got remains of their family member back to bury.....including the family of of our friend Aaron, yesterday is the first time that there is any physical way to reconnect themselves to their lost loved ones at the WTC.

You have no right to question this. None at all.

And you will never recover from the other thread.

Your melodrama is beyond ridiculous.

[navigaytion]

Its being covered because it is the 10th anniversary, and it marks the opening of the memorials at the three sites. And this isn't some over dramatization. they have had similar memorial services every year. This year not only marked the 10th anniversary, but also a chance for the family of the victims to see the memorial built. I think its ashamed people attack the media for covering something that deserves to be covered, and should above all else be covered.

I'm sure many people said the same thing about the Michael Jackson funeral, and the weeks and months of media coverage after his death.

And I think it very rude that someone would call them "festivities". No matter it 10 years or 50 years, people are still going to be dealing with what happened on that day. Everyone says people need to remember it and it will never fade, well this is the way to make sure it stays fresh in our mind. That we never forget the tragedy of that day.

They are festivities.

And the overkill of these festivities numbs the impact of 9/11.

[tombastep]

They are festivities.

And the overkill of these festivities numbs the impact of 9/11.

I don't think you know what festivities means.

[palbert]

I don't watch much of the largest networks (ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC/NBC) so didn't get the build up you saw. If it was there in fact.

On 9/11/11 itself History Channel and The NY Times did commendable jobs.

I have found I have less to complain about if I am selective in my viewing. Why complain when you follow the lemmings to the cliff?

(And I will long remember the birthday cake posting in the other Thread.)

[rareboy]

As I said Navigaytion, you understand nothing and have no lesson or guidance for the rest of us on this topic.

The more you protest, the more ridiculous you appear.

[MoltenRock III]

I myself tuned out all the 9/11 media stuff. I spent my 9/11/2011 doing what I did 10 years earlier.... I surfed and enjoyed being in the warm water, and extremely thankful for what I have in my life. I took a day away from all newspapers, TV, internet, etc... I spent the day in reflection; of what all I've accomplished in the past 10 years, as well as the opportunities lost for those who died, their loved ones who have mourned, and the lessons America has learned as well as forgotten or repeated.

We mark the passing of time, be it Martin Luther King Day for civil rights, or Memorial Day for all those who died on our behalf, or whatever holiday it might be. Having a day for reflection and remembrance is not a bad thing at all.

If the media "pisses you off", shut the silly TV box off. Pretty simple really.

[MMMonsterBoy]

My mom was frustrated at how 9-11 was/is portrayed as a holiday. My mom actually did use the word 'overkill.' I actually don't disagree with her, or the OP, entirely.

9-11 has become this festival, where I've heard people chant 'Go America! God bless the best country there ever was,' yet hardly acknowledging what really happened.

9-11 has (without a doubt) become basically a festival to honor America. Hang your flag up high, because that is what 9-11 is all about.

Though, that goes without saying, there were some honorable tributes to those who lost their lives.

From a sociology perspective, it'd be real interesting to explore this

[navigaytion]

My mom was frustrated at how 9-11 was/is portrayed as a holiday. My mom actually did use the word 'overkill.' I actually don't disagree with her, or the OP, entirely.

9-11 has become this festival, where I've heard people chant 'Go America! God bless the best country there ever was,' yet hardly acknowledging what really happened.

9-11 has (without a doubt) become basically a festival to honor America. Hang your flag up high, because that is what 9-11 is all about.

Though, that goes without saying, there were some honorable tributes to those who lost their lives.

From a sociology perspective, it'd be real interesting to explore this

Exactly. It's a circus.

[navigaytion]

I don't watch much of the largest networks (ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC/NBC) so didn't get the build up you saw. If it was there in fact.

On 9/11/11 itself History Channel and The NY Times did commendable jobs.

I have found I have less to complain about if I am selective in my viewing. Why complain when you follow the lemmings to the cliff?

(And I will long remember the birthday cake posting in the other Thread.)

I don't watch tv except to flip through it. But it's not just TV, dear. It's internet news sites, entertainment sites, everything...it's tacky.

[navigaytion]

As I said Navigaytion, you understand nothing and have no lesson or guidance for the rest of us on this topic.

The more you protest, the more ridiculous you appear.

You appear more and more desperate to target me, rather than other people who more or less agreed with me. Why don't you focus your feeble attempts at criticism on them? I didn't realize I was so important to you.

[illgetbi]

Overkill.

[MoltenRock III]

I don't watch tv except to flip through it. But it's not just TV, dear. It's internet news sites, entertainment sites, everything...it's tacky.

And friends / family members of those who died by the thousands on 9/11 and ensuing Afghanistan War no doubt feel someone bitching about the coverage of their dead ones on a gay porn forum is even more "tacky".

*shrug*

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

Most Americans have been bombarded with 9/11 commentary and media coverage for weeks now. I am simply put off by the constant orgy of flags, crying firemen, singing children, and rehashed 9/11 clips, among tons of other stuff. We know what happened. Why is it that revisiting this suffering so publicly and commercially, is OK? Stirring up people's emotions is not a good way to let the dead rest easy, and does nothing for their memory. So, I fail to see the value in this pomp and think it's overkill.

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[rareboy]

Hey Navi,

Lissen up.

You just come off as one of those who bitch and moan about the commercialization of Christmas.

You know what.

For many people it is still a profound holiday. They could give a shit about whether the commercialization suits you or not.

Same way with this.

A whole bunch of people pissing and moaning about the cost of memorials, the need for memorials or the 'celebration' of the events do not take away from the fact that for tens of thousands of friends and family members who have waited a decade for this time of closure, this was a profound moment.

Watching you squat down to piss on this really hasn't been necessary.

Don't want to 'celebrate'? Then don't.

But don't try to hide behind the arguments of other people to make yourself feel better about a malignant and impoverished perspective on the completion of the memorial and which for many people, will marks the real beginning of closing this chapter in their lives.

And don't try to lecture anyone on this issue.

You blew it badly in the other thread. Just leave it alone.

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

Hey Navi,

Lissen up.

You just come off as one of those who bitch and moan about the commercialization of Christmas.

You know what.

For many people it is still a profound holiday. They could give a shit about whether the commercialization suits you or not.

Same way with this.

A whole bunch of people pissing and moaning about the cost of memorials, the need for memorials or the 'celebration' of the events do not take away from the fact that for tens of thousands of friends and family members who have waited a decade for this time of closure, this was a profound moment.

Watching you squat down to piss on it isn't pretty and it isn't necessary.

Don't want to 'celebrate'? Then don't.

But don't try to hide behind the arguments of other people to make yourself feel better about a malignant and impoverished perspective on the completion of the memorial and that for many people, this marks the real beginning of closing this chapter in their lives.

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[navigaytion]

Hey Navi,

Lissen up.

You just come off as one of those who bitch and moan about the commercialization of Christmas.

You know what.

For many people it is still a profound holiday. They could give a shit about whether the commercialization suits you or not.

Same way with this.

A whole bunch of people pissing and moaning about the cost of memorials, the need for memorials or the 'celebration' of the events do not take away from the fact that for tens of thousands of friends and family members who have waited a decade for this time of closure, this was a profound moment.

Watching you squat down to piss on this really hasn't been necessary.

Don't want to 'celebrate'? Then don't.

But don't try to hide behind the arguments of other people to make yourself feel better about a malignant and impoverished perspective on the completion of the memorial and which for many people, will marks the real beginning of closing this chapter in their lives.

And don't try to lecture anyone on this issue.

You blew it badly in the other thread. Just leave it alone.