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    Quote Originally Posted by SGTMaster View Post
    ...Granted a stickie at the top can be the friendly warning of the speed trap (to continue the theme) but a person does not need someone in the car telling them how exactly to drive and reading every speed limit sign they come across....
    There won't be anyone in the car. We're simply pointing out that there are speed cops. Once you start your journey, you're on your own, and we won't tolerate anyone getting in your car and pointing them out again!

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    There won't be anyone in the car. We're simply pointing out that there are speed cops. Once you start your journey, you're on your own, and we won't tolerate anyone getting in your car and pointing them out again!
    Then it looks like everything will be hunky dory.

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    Re: New Proposed Guidelines

    ^ Or to put it other terms, these guidelines are our fall back position, not where we're beginning from.

    We can go about as far as we want to go here, but we can't fall back any further than the positions the controlling interests of this website, and their legal consult has advised us to go.

    We want this forum to be a place where an individual can come with their flag, and stake their fetish or kink, and to let that flag fly.



    And JustUsBoys.com, and The Mod Team, and a lot of members who post in this forum want to be able to acknowledge that claim.

    Except at some point some folks are going to have to defend their claim, and we seriously want to help them to do that (non-judgment-zone is one way), but there's going to have to be some responsibility, and some maturity on those who post here, or there's not a lot that we can do to help them without knowing how far that they're willing to go with it, and how far we're able to support that.

    Does that make sense?

    Quote Originally Posted by SGTMaster View Post
    Then it looks like everything will be hunky dory.
    I hope so because now that you and others like you know, I think that we can build something in this forum that has the potential to become a "safe haven" for some really interesting, hot, mind-blowing, and informative discussions.

    So long as those who understand the new "boundaries and parameters" that we're trying to establish here, then after this coming Monday June 27th, if you don't have something positive to contribute in this forum then your ass gets kicked out of this Forum and to the curb for 7-Days!

    This IS NOT Hot Topics, Fun and Games & Threads that Just Won't Die, or the Current Events and Politics Forums.

    This is the Fetish, Kink and Other Porn!, forum and the topics and the members who post here are worthy of all of the respect and consideration that this forum has to offer and that is one of the reasons why we wanted to find the "boundaries an parameters," for moderating this forum, instead of it being the free for all that it's become.

    But the Moderators, the Admin, and the Owners of JUB are going to need everyone's help here in making this forum the place that we envision it to be; a place for free non-judgmental discussion, no matter how out there some of it might be.

    IOW, we're not proposing a "one size fits all" configuration, but rather a place to begin.

    Never regret anything, because in that moment it's exactly what you wanted.

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    Re: New Proposed Guidelines

    Quote Originally Posted by centexfarmer View Post
    ^ Or to put it other terms, these guidelines are our fall back position, not where we're beginning from.

    We can go about as far as we want to go here, but we can't fall back any further than the positions the controlling interests of this website, and their legal consult has advised us to go.

    We want this forum to be a place where an individual can come with their flag, and stake their fetish or kink, and to let that flag fly.



    And JustUsBoys.com, and The Mod Team, and a lot of members who post in this forum want to be able to acknowledge that claim.

    Except at some point some folks are going to have to defend their claim, and we seriously want to help them to do that (non-judgment-zone is one way), but there's going to have to be some responsibility, and some maturity on those who post here, or there's not a lot that we can do to help them without knowing how far that they're willing to go with it, and how far we're able to support that.

    Does that make sense?



    I hope so because now that you and others like you know, I think that we can build something in this forum that has the potential to become a "safe haven" for some really interesting, hot, mind-blowing, and informative discussions.

    So long as those who understand the new "boundaries and parameters" that we're trying to establish here, then after this coming Monday June 27th, if you don't have something positive to contribute in this forum then your ass gets kicked out of this Forum and to the curb for 7-Days!

    This IS NOT Hot Topics, Fun and Games & Threads that Just Won't Die, or the Current Events and Politics Forums.

    This is the Fetish, Kink and Other Porn!, forum and the topics and the members who post here are worthy of all of the respect and consideration that this forum has to offer and that is one of the reasons why we wanted to find the "boundaries an parameters," for moderating this forum, instead of it being the free for all that it's become.

    But the Moderators, the Admin, and the Owners of JUB are going to need everyone's help here in making this forum the place that we envision it to be; a place for free non-judgmental discussion, no matter how out there some of it might be.

    IOW, we're not proposing a "one size fits all" configuration, but rather a place to begin.

    Sweet, I look forward to seeing an area where people can be free and talk about things without interference. Just remember that the verb-age can set an over all tone for an area. Case in point, your libtard quote....

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    Re: New Proposed Guidelines

    Quote Originally Posted by SGTMaster View Post
    your libtard quote....
    Which post contains the libtard quote?

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    Re: New Guidelines

    Ahhhh, a wild admin appears....


    First off let me apologize, using the term libtard was used to get attraction (which it has to it seems). There is no "quote" per say (begin the nick picking) but more a general overall feeling. Although I stand by the meaning behind it (here comes the ban) that is sounds like something from the left, free expression, unless we disagree.

    The idea that the Fetish area can be a place for non-judgmental ideas and free expression of fantasies are being superseded by an under written threat in the guild lines. Case in point...Barebacking. It is legal in every country I know or have lived in. There are no legal ramification to any person that advocates the idea as far as I know. But it is clearly stated that it will be allowed, then you will be looked down upon by powers above us. It is almost a case of we hate it but have to allow it. How would you feel if a parent or close friend said they hate you for being homosexual but will allow it only because they cannot legally get away with blocking it?

    However if the statement I made of a exact quote must be held up to the exact letter than I would have to say that the words in question are "...a place for free non-judgmental discussion, no matter how out there some of it might be. IOW, we're not proposing a "one size fits all" configuration..." So feel free to talk about everything, but beware you will be judged and might be banned. A wise man once said "War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."

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    Re: New Guidelines

    And may I ask, why is the word "libtard" the only thing that is of importance here. I thought we are here to make a better fetish forum? Only focusing on a burned out bulb does not make a crystal chandler any less priceless in a palace.

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    Re: New Guidelines

    Frankly, I'm finding this whole approach to the subject so disheartening that I find myself wishing you guys would bring back the feature that let people block out the posts from specific forums entirely.

    What you've now set up is comparable to the Special Olympics, where everyone who wanders by gets a pat on the head and a medal because everyone who shows up gets a pat on the head and a medal because no-one who enters is allowed to get anything else other than a pat on the head and a medal. It is not only demeaning, it is degrading.

    Frankly, if my ego were so fragile that the only way I could react to someone not liking what I do or the things I'm into would be to run off like a startled chipmunk, then I'd consider I had a much bigger problem to be dealt with than just being involved in a paraphilia or four. I don't need other peoples' approval -- most especially their forced approval -- to keep my sense of well-being afloat. So what if they don't like what I do? They're free to have their opinions, as am I, but if they really want to get in my face about my business, I just tell them to fuck off.

    What's the most disheartening about this, as evinced by several of the posts above, is the manifest dismissal of anything like a common-sense approach to any subject, and an absolute rejection of even broaching the subject of health and safety. Several years back, I dealt with a relatively inexperienced young man in his early 20s who wanted to get into some aspects of BDSM. His situation was somewhat complicated because, as a paraplegic, he was confined to a wheelchair. In sessions generally lasting 2 to 3 hours, usually once or twice a week, for the better part of the year, I worked with him on the mechanics of what he could do, how he could do it, and/or work around his limitations, and also dealt with the health and safety issues involved, some of which were specific to his disability.

    Because of the attitude that's being expressed here, and its apparent unquestioned acceptance, I don't think I could have those same conversations here ... at least not without someone objecting and probably reporting the post(s) and trying to get me banned. The promise of kind of Mickey Mouse type experience makes the whole thing not worth bothering with, hence my earlier-expressed wish for some way to make this whole area of the site disappear from my screen.

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    Re: New Guidelines

    Quote Originally Posted by SGTMaster View Post
    Ö why is the word "libtard" the only thing that is of importance here.
    Iím not convinced that it is; however, it is the only thing I asked you about.


    Quote Originally Posted by SGTMaster View Post
    using the term libtard was used to get attraction
    I think thatís called baiting.

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    Re: New Guidelines

    Quote Originally Posted by LittleDove View Post
    Frankly, I'm finding this whole approach to the subject so disheartening that I find myself wishing you guys would bring back the feature that let people block out the posts from specific forums entirely.

    ...

    Because of the attitude that's being expressed here, and its apparent unquestioned acceptance, I don't think I could have those same conversations here ... at least not without someone objecting and probably reporting the post(s) and trying to get me banned. The promise of kind of Mickey Mouse type experience makes the whole thing not worth bothering with, hence my earlier-expressed wish for some way to make this whole area of the site disappear from my screen.
    I would assume from what you written that you are talking about my posts. If I am incorrect, sorry. I can only go off what I read and inflection is pretty much impossible on the internet.

    I am not saying this should be the Special Olympics. However, you are right there does need to be common sense. I was not (nor ever) talking about someone saying, hey I like your idea and here are a couple fun tips but be careful about (insert danger). I was talking about the people the jump on, call you sick and then run off.

    I agree with you in your assessment about being worried about what people think about you online. Sadly, not everyone has either the guts or stupidity to put up with what people say. Hence why I keep asking if the forum was going to a flame zone (might make it easier at times to just tell a person to stfu on a thread sometimes). But we are also dealing with fetishes, which is like coming out twice, never fun to some people. And you run into the problem of turning into another gay.com (well at least in my neck of the woods). Got a bunch of pricks, ran everyone off and it is sad little old boys club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    Iím not convinced that it is; however, it is the only thing I asked you about... I think thatís called baiting.
    I was not trying to bait. Merely gather attention (rather like most of the titles are written as vulgar as possible to get a person to read them) to the fact that verb-age can affect how something is taken. If I had said "statement that does not match up with what was said earlier" it would not be an issue. However, I used that word (sorry but in the conservative word it normally means say one thing, do another) to illustrate that while well intentioned, it can be written wrong. I was not trying to get anyone pissed off and go off on a tirade by using that word, hence why I said I was not trying to bait. The same can go for how the guild lines are written. This exchange is a perfect example of what was written before my offending word. When a person reads the guidelines that state you cannot preach like there is no tomorrow (again not saying a friendly warning if in context should be ban hammer worthy) they could be put off by constant preaching in those guidelines. The tone will be all they remember and focus on and all the rest is forgotten. Rather like this situation. Next thing you know, they will find the little X at the top right.

    If I could impose, what says you Mr. Admin about all this? We all have yapped about it, I am curious to hear what you have to say.

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    Re: New Guidelines

    Quote Originally Posted by SGTMaster View Post
    Ö If I could impose, what says you Mr. Admin about all this? We all have yapped about it, I am curious to hear what you have to say.
    I consider your question too broad/vague. I have been following the developments in sequence and congratulate Centexfarmer & Quasar for their work to help bring about some new and much needed guidelines for this sub-forum.

    If you have a more specific question, please know that I will try to provide you a reasonably prompt and friendly answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    ...If you have a more specific question, please know that I will try to provide you a reasonably prompt and friendly answer.
    No specific question per say, just curious about your overall feelings on the matter. I do agree the mods have been great dealing with all of this. Personally, I think a huge heartfelt thanks should go out to every person that has spoken up on this topic. We may not always agree with what another person says but I think we all can agree that is better when they are able to say something.

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    verry good

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    Sorry too much to read.
    I don't read "Terms & Conditions" when installing software.


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