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    Best and worst role model for the LGBT Community?

    Who in the community in your opinion is the best and worst role models in terms of how they handle themselves. Their is no right or wrong answer and they don't have to be hugely famous, or even openly gay or bi. Explain your answer.

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    Isn't it sad that I can't even think of one good role model?

    The worst?: Perez Hilton and Chris Crocker come to mind.

    Edit: My girl Gaga would go on my best role model list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elvin1 View Post
    Isn't it sad that I can't even think of a good role model?

    The worst?: Perez Hilton and Chris Crocker come to mind.
    I know right? I was gonna post my opinion but I thought about it and I'm not too happy with anybody lol. Also agree about Perez and Crocker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juicyjack View Post
    I know right? I was gonna post my opinion but I thought about it and I'm not too happy with anybody lol. Also agree about Perez and Crocker.
    It'll be interesting to see who other people name. Good topic.

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    Re: Best and worst role model for the LGBT Community?

    I think that the people who stand up for the community (and who aren't afraid to call us out on our bullshit) are positive role models. Larry Kramer is abrasive as hell, but he's done a lot of work for equal rights and AIDS awareness, and he continues to criticize the apathy of the LGBT community. Pam Spaulding is one of my favorite bloggers, and I think she's a great role model. The LGBT youth (and allies) who fight for GSAs in their schools are real heroes, even if we never learn their names. Jonathan Larsen (who wrote Rent) and Tony Kushner (Angels in America playwright) deserve credit for helping to bring attention to LGBT issues and AIDS awareness.

    As for bad role models, I definitely second the vote for Perez (who is also a lousy role model for the Hispanic community). Anyone who promotes bug-chasing should immediately have their queer card revoked. And my ex, just because he's a twat.
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    ^Great post.

    I finally thought of some. lol

    Cleve Jones
    Dustin Lance Black
    Andy Towle
    David Mixner

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    Quote Originally Posted by elvin1 View Post
    It'll be interesting to see who other people name. Good topic.
    Thank you. I wasn't sure if there was any question like this on here that was recent, but I didn't see one. I'm curious if people will consider the best role models to equal who is most outspoken or not, and if the worst will be the people who don't talk about it much.

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    Re: Best and worst role model for the LGBT Community?

    Hmmm

    I would say that the best would be Harvey Feirstein for his activism, and Ian McClellan for just maintaining a quiet dignity as an elder statesman of the theatre.

    Worst? that would have to be Perez Hilton for obvious reasons. After that? David Geffen.

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    Chaz Bono since transgender don't have many role models

    Elton John

    Gaga (for everyone) to take a look at their creativity

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    Re: Best and worst role model for the LGBT Community?

    Quote Originally Posted by elvin1 View Post
    ^Great post.

    I finally thought of some. lol

    Cleve Jones
    Dustin Lance Black
    Good ones!

    Jimmy Creech just came to mind as well.
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    Re: Best and worst role model for the LGBT Community?

    Ian McKellen for best or David Hoyle for best.

    Worst....Tom Cruise.

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    Best: Andrew Sullivan, for showing that all gays do not have the same identical views.

    Worst: John Travolta, for obvious reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LilBit View Post
    Good ones!

    Jimmy Creech just came to mind as well.
    Good call.

    I kinda like Michelangelo Signorile too.

    How could I forget Rev. Gene Robinson?

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    For best, probably Ralph Nader (what, too early?) He's done amazing work that saved thousands of lives.

    For worst, probably Tchaikovsky. Too much drama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elvin1 View Post
    Isn't it sad that I can't even think of one good role model?

    The worst?: Perez Hilton and Chris Crocker come to mind.

    Edit: My girl Gaga would go on my best role model list.
    Bah..Gaga not the best but she's good.

    BEST=
    Anderson Cooper!


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    Anderson has refused to come out of the closet.

    thats kind of a piss poor example IMO
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    Anderson Spock Cooper? You have to be kidding me. lol

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    Re: Best and worst role model for the LGBT Community?

    Quote Originally Posted by elvin1 View Post
    Anderson Spock Cooper? You have to be kidding me. lol
    but it does beg the question.. do you HAVE to come out to be a good role model for gays? I think so, but I bet there are others here who would disagree
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    How exactly is he 'in the closet', if everyone knows he's gay???
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    Yes you do. There is no two ways about it.

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    I honestly don't get into Politics but as far as a personality goes, I've really enjoyed Ellen Degeneres.


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    Wanda Sykes is my personal gay hero.

    It wasn't until she came out and made this PSA were my parents finally able to see how hurtful their comments about gays were to me.




    The absolute worst is Perez Hilton. I mean, Larry Craig is better role model for the community than that attention-starved, self-serving dickdrip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    How exactly is he 'in the closet', if everyone knows he's gay???
    because HE hasn't openly acnowledged it

    all the rest is a guess and papparazzi pictures as proof
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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    but it does beg the question.. do you HAVE to come out to be a good role model for gays? I think so, but I bet there are others here who would disagree
    Yes..! He is very successful in fact that if he coming out, he could be a good successful example of gay man around the world. The world needs a role model with a quite big endowment

    If you want to be R E S P E C T ed... everyone.

    He just need to coming out in his late 80's..if he loves to dance in suit as long as he wants.

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    Faisal Alam, the founder of Al-Fatiha Foundation
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    The worst
    Roy Cohn, Liberace.

    The Best.
    Harvey Milk

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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    because HE hasn't openly acnowledged it

    all the rest is a guess and papparazzi pictures as proof
    There is a difference between someone not wanting to talk about their personal lives and someone who will stop at nothing to try to hide it. If Anderson Cooper were that ashamed, we wouldn't see pics of him with his bf. He'd just be getting some gloryhole action like Tom Cruise lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    but it does beg the question.. do you HAVE to come out to be a good role model for gays? I think so, but I bet there are others here who would disagree
    I am going to be honest:

    Yes. You do need to be out. How can someone be a good role model if they are afraid of coming out? How can LGBT's relate or even know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post
    but it does beg the question.. do you HAVE to come out to be a good role model for gays? I think so, but I bet there are others here who would disagree
    My citing of Ralph Nader would fall in that category, but to be sure, he refuses to discuss his personal life in any regard, specifically religion.

    In my opinion, a great role model is a great servant of the common good. Some of those men will be great because they have taken a stand on LGBT issues, but that alone isn't necessarily as meritorious as those who've gone beyond.

    Not to take the shine from any activists, as they are mostly courageous pioneers, but there are many who are great in some unrelated realm, but are great role models in that they are gay too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoePhoenix7 View Post
    Wanda Sykes is my personal gay hero.

    It wasn't until she came out and made this PSA were my parents finally able to see how hurtful their comments about gays were to me.

    The absolute worst is Perez Hilton. I mean, Larry Craig is better role model for the community than that attention-starved, self-serving dickdrip.
    Yes. Wanda and Ellen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elvin1 View Post
    I am going to be honest:

    Yes. You do need to be out. How can someone be a good role model if they are afraid of coming out? How can LGBT's relate or even know?
    That's why the worst ones are in the closet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elvin1 View Post
    I am going to be honest:

    Yes. You do need to be out. How can someone be a good role model if they are afraid of coming out? How can LGBT's relate or even know?
    Whether you ascribe historical truth to the biblical account of Queen Esther or not, the point remains that she served "her people" very well, despite being a closeted Jewess.

    Is that the norm, or is it typical? Perhaps not, but there is a place for many to serve the cause of LGBT dignity.

    Some were born before much opportunity existed for being out and effective. I imagine there is a Supreme Court Justice or two who may fit into that category.

    It's both unfair and unrealistic to judge those in the past by the standards of today.

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    A couple of worsts for me:

    George Michael - had to be arrested to come out

    Every scumbag Republican that has gotten caught trolling restrooms.

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    John Amaechi and Sheryl Swoopes also come to mind. I'm not a basketball fan, but I'm all for out basketball players and out POC.
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    How could I have forgotten about wanda sykes????

    she answers the out of the closet thing here in this clip

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF5V_BqLRuw[/ame]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard-up1 View Post
    Whether you ascribe historical truth to the biblical account of Queen Esther or not, the point remains that she served "her people" very well, despite being a closeted Jewess.

    Is that the norm, or is it typical? Perhaps not, but there is a place for many to serve the cause of LGBT dignity.

    Some were born before much opportunity existed for being out and effective. I imagine there is a Supreme Court Justice or two who may fit into that category.

    It's both unfair and unrealistic to judge those in the past by the standards of today.
    Can you be a good person or a great person for the common good? Yes.

    An LGBT role model? I'm not convinced.

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    Indeed, the man is a fucking tool. So's Boy George.

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    And you are presuming the role model is for the out, for the younger generation.

    It is no stretch to believe that the majority of gay men in America, no, the world, are not out.

    Presuming so is as one-sided as the depiction of gays as partiers, philanderers, and artistic.

    We are more like the Fremen. We are everywhere, but not so visible. The whole myth of gaydar is subtle, but it has convinced too many gay men that they know well how many gay men are about them. Unlikely.

    If we held all all our heroes to such standards, none could be admired if they lived amongst slavery, domination of women, subjugation of non-Western races. . .

    Also, the suggestion that gays need ONE kind of man as a role model AGAIN presumes some monolithic image of gays. We are diverse, and our heroes will be equally diverse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard-up1 View Post
    And you are presuming the role model is for the out, for the younger generation.

    It is no stretch to believe that the majority of gay men in America, no, the world, are not out.

    Presuming so is as one-sided as the depiction of gays as partiers, philanderers, and artistic.

    We are more like the Fremen. We are everywhere, but not so visible. The whole myth of gaydar is subtle, but it has convinced too many gay men that they know well how many gay men are about them. Unlikely.

    If we held all all our heroes to such standards, none could be admired if they lived amongst slavery, domination of women, subjugation of non-Western races. . .
    Like I said:

    A good person that does good? Yes.

    An LGBT role model? No.

    A good LGBT role model has to show people that they truly love and accept themselves. Be an inspiration and have LGBTs relate. That you are like them.

    I guess I'm just a hard-ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elvin1 View Post
    Like I said:

    A good person that does good? Yes.

    An LGBT role model? No.
    But again, that is a no for you. It is not a no for all of us.

    You do not, nor do I, speak for gay men. Each of us is one voice.

    A debate will not make either of us more correct.

    Ratification by gay men posting on JUB will also serve only to represent the online gay population that finds JUB and creates an identity here.

    We disagree. Agreed.

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    well we can't consider them a roll model unless they tell us they are part of our community. As Elvin said, there is no denying that there are entities out there that have assisted the community.

    But you have to be gay, and make that personal announcement, to be a gay roll model, IMO.

    I think, we all have our heroes for our own reasons, though, and what inspires each of us is a very personal thing. So.....

    I can see Hard up's point, Its just not how I would pick MY roll models, I guess I should say
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    Lee Daniels is another gay role model of mine.



    Not only is he an award winning director, he's also an upstanding, devoted father.

    His professional and personal life just goes to show that gay people can raise kids in a healthy, well-adjusted household.

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    The Best: Rupaul, Harvey Milk, Ellen Degeneres


    The Worst: Can't think of any names but the people who becomes the spokesmen and poster children of the ex-gay movement. Also gays involved in certain aspects of the porn industry who exploit young gays and coerce them into making bareback porn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard-up1 View Post
    And you are presuming the role model is for the out, for the younger generation.

    [F]It is no stretch to believe that the majority of gay men in America/FONT], no, the world, are not out.[

    Presuming so is as one-sided as the depiction of gays as partiers, philanderers, and artistic.

    We are more like the Fremen. We are everywhere, but not so visible. The whole myth of gaydar is subtle, but it has convinced too many gay men that they know well how many gay men are about them. Unlikely.

    If we held all all our heroes to such standards, none could be admired if they lived amongst slavery, domination of women, subjugation of non-Western races. . .

    Also, the suggestion that gays need ONE kind of man as a role model AGAIN presumes some monolithic image of gays. We are diverse, and our heroes will be equally diverse.
    It's a stretch to believe that. I caught your ending statement, but I think it is you adding that to support your argument.
    You can't be a role model when you are in the closet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard-up1 View Post
    But again, that is a no for you. It is not a no for all of us.

    You do not, nor do I, speak for gay men. Each of us is one voice.

    A debate will not make either of us more correct.

    Ratification by gay men posting on JUB will also serve only to represent the online gay population that finds JUB and creates an identity here.

    We disagree. Agreed.
    I'm not saying that closeted people should not be admired. I am sure there are amazing ones. I know what you are saying.

    I'm just saying that in order to be an LGBT role model, for me, you have to be out.

    People need to feel like they can relate to the person. If he's not like me then how would he know my struggles or what it's like to be out?

    Maybe they should be called "allies" until they come out?

    LOL. Yes, we disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonPirate View Post

    I can see Hard up's point, Its just not how I would pick MY roll models, I guess I should say
    I like the idea that we extol different values. In so doing, you and I, and Elvin, more fairly represent some constituency of the gay population, and that is exactly my point.

    To laud entertainers like Stewart, Degeneres, Gaga, and others seems a bit limited to many of us, especially when we consider policy, law, and the matters that affect us most closely. We are very unlikely to know the identity of gay jurists.

    Not to make light of any entertainer's fidelity to LGBT, but the entertainment industry has long be a bulwark of progressives, so being out there may indeed be less costly than it is for those in law, industry, etc., hence the dearth of those categories being well represented in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elvin1 View Post
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    People need to feel like they can relate to the person. If he's not like me then how would he know my struggles or what it's like to be out?
    If one argues that only a gay man can relate to a gay man, then that is too limiting for me.

    President Obama is not "like" me, but I believe he can be a hero.

    For those who fit the thread's category of being L, G, B, or T, they just have to inspire us, not inspire us because they are adamantly and out gay. I used to think George Stephanopoulous was gay, and admired him for rising to such a high position (this was before he worked for ABC, mind you.)

    He made me want to become more and have more impact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard-up1 View Post
    If one argues that only a gay man can relate to a gay man, then that is too limiting for me.

    President Obama is not "like" me, but I believe he can be a hero.

    For those who fit the thread's category of being L, G, B, or T, they just have to inspire us, not inspire us because they are adamantly and out gay. I used to think George Stephanopoulous was gay, and admired him for rising to such a high position (this was before he worked for ABC, mind you.)

    He made me want to become more and have more impact.
    Obama and George are straight. Not closeted.

    You don't need to be gay to be a hero. Well, I think they're allies and advocates. And they can be heroes. For sure.

    Lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans role model if you're closeted? Nah.

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    Re: Best and worst role model for the LGBT Community?

    Best - Ellen DeGeneres

    Worst - toe tapping, wide-stance Senator Larry Craig from Idaho

    I'll miss the many jokes about Larry, among them:

    "This morning on Capitol Hill ... four bathroom fires broke out inside the Senate office building. Inside one bathroom, three big, burly firemen broke the door down, kicked in the stall, and Senator Craig said, 'My dreams have come true.'" --Jay Leno

    "Larry Craig having second thoughts about resigning, and well I would add he's having second thoughts about tapping his foot in the men's bathroom. ... No, he's changed his mind and he thinks he's going to stay in the Senate, and that occurred to him after he saw the new batch of fall pages." --David Letterman

    "A lot of people are calling Senator Craig a hypocrite because he was a very vocal opponent of same-sex marriages. ... But to be fair, he has never come out publicly against anonymous gay bathroom sex." --Jay Leno

    "Senator Craig has now called a press conference for tomorrow, ... probably he's going to resign. He said that will be a private decision after consulting his wife, his children, and an anonymous dude he met at the Howard Johnsons on I-84." --Bill Maher

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