A song of ice and fire: HBO's Game of Thrones

[Elvin]

Oh yes .. totally. There are a bit too many characters for a tv show anyway (and some of them are there in the show, but totally get lost and are rarely ever named), you really need to see the beginning.

You're right. This isn't your typical series where you can just pick up anywhere. This is very involved with many characters and stories.

I think what I'll do is just start from the beginning and forget what I've watched so far.

It's an amazing show.

I actually think that Khaleesi Daenerys is probably my fav chracter in that show.

I fucking hate that kid King Joffrey and Mirri (the witch).

[Elvin]

Jesus. Everyone in that show is fucking insane excpet for the Starks, Jon Snow and Daenerys.

[neoachilles]

^^And Tyrion--don't forget Tyrion.

[Elvin]

^^And Tyrion--don't forget Tyrion.

Tyrion confuses me. But I think you may be right.

[thatgirl]

Don't get tooo excited He is never a major character, BUT he is a major player

As long as he plays a somewhat prominent role, I'm good.

I freakin' LOVE his scheming ass. And my built-in love for Aidan Gillen doesn't hurt either. He's always so good at playing twisted characters.

I fucking hate that kid King Joffrey and Mirri (the witch).

LMAO. I can't stand that boy.

Ten Minutes of Joff Getting Slapped

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTt8_09b0QY[/ame]

^ so cathartic, tbh.

[Elvin]

YES! I watched the whole thing. I feel much better now. LOL

[AbnormalDann]

If you don't mind reading, read the series. I just finished "A Feast for Crows" in time for the release of "A Dance with Dragons" on July 12th.

The books are not disappointing, well, only in that what happens in the show with Renly and Loras does not take place in the book.

[Elvin]

If you don't mind reading, read the series. I just finished "A Feast for Crows" in time for the release of "A Dance with Dragons" on July 12th.

The books are not disappointing, well, only in that what happens in the show with Renly and Loras does not take place in the book.

Are they the gay lovers? The knight and king Robert's brother?

Oh ya, I found them.

Why was that added? Any idea?

And can Jon Snow please be gay?

[AbnormalDann]

Are they the gay lovers? The knight and king Robert's brother?

Oh ya, I found them.

Why was that added? Any idea?

And can Jon Snow please be gay?

Oh, I missed where you started mid-season. Sorry Elvin! I thought what happens between them happens later on in the show.

I believe it was added to appeal to the gay audience, though, truthfully.

Can't say about Jon, you'll have to wait for season 2 or read the books. :P I've had my eye on Jon since they cast him for the show. I pictured him a bit differently in the books but I love who they cast. What a man.

[Elvin]

Oh, I missed where you started mid-season. Sorry Elvin! I thought what happens between them happens later on in the show.

I believe it was added to appeal to the gay audience, though, truthfully.

Oh no. I think it was on the like the 4th or 5th episode. I watched them last night. You didn't spoil anything.

Well, that was cool of them. Let's hope they don't disappear.

lol

[AbnormalDann]

The books are great reads, I seriously recommend picking up a bundle for $20. The first 3 books keep you captivated, while the 4th, in my opinion, is boring in the first half.

[Elvin]

The books are great reads, I seriously recommend picking up a bundle for $20. The first 3 books keep you captivated, while the 4th, in my opinion, is boring in the first half.

So there are 4 books in all?

[TX-Beau]

Are they the gay lovers? The knight and king Robert's brother?

Loras Tyrell (Knight of Flowers) and Renly were gay lovers in the books. At one point Cerseri says of Renly who she suspects of actually deflowering his bride (Loras' sister btw) something like, a man may prefer wine but that doesn't mean he won't drink beer if you set it down in front of him.

The references to Loras and Renly are all like that but there is no doubt that the author intended for them to be gay lovers.

[TX-Beau]

Oh and the Starks are as insane as anyone else, it just takes a while for it to show up. Wait til you see what becomes of Cat.

[Elvin]

Oh and the Starks are as insane as anyone else, it just takes a while for it to show up. Wait til you see what becomes of Cat.

She's got a mean streak. I can't believe how bad she treats Jon.

[Elvin]

Loras Tyrell (Knight of Flowers) and Renly were gay lovers in the books. At one point Cerseri says of Renly who she suspects of actually deflowering his bride (Loras' sister btw) something like, a man may prefer wine but that doesn't mean he won't drink beer if you set it down in front of him.

The references to Loras and Renly are all like that but there is no doubt that the author intended for them to be gay lovers.

I see. Petyr knows about them, right?

[AbnormalDann]

I see. Petyr knows about them, right?

He does indeed.

[Elvin]

He does indeed.

Who else? LOL

I know, I'm a pain in the ass.

[TX-Beau]

Everybody knows about them pretty much. It seems to be an open secret.

Cat's treatment of Jon Snow is just a taste of how vindictive she can get.

[Elvin]

Everybody knows about them pretty much. It seems to be an open secret.

Cat's treatment of Jon Snow is just a taste of how vindictive she can get.

Ok. Thanks.

The white walkers (not sure if I got this right) are they coming back?

I hope Jon has a nude scene. lol

[TX-Beau]

You mean the others?

Well they are definitely coming back, but it's not possible to say how exactly, the series isn't finished.

There's a whole lot of buildup on several fronts and plot lines that haven't been resolved, but seem to point to a series of epic confrontations that I think are going to end up with Dany the only one left standing on a heap of steaming corpses.

I'd love to see series Jon nekkid too, but book John is like 16 and that would be kinda pervy.

[neoachilles]

I hate the way that Cat treated Jon Snow. It's the one sour note to an otherwise likable character. I don't think that it's the fact that he's Ned's bastard, though that obviously must rankle her; I think it's because Ned acknowledged him. He poses a constant threat to the birthright of her and Ned's legitimate children--a point she raises when talk of legitimizing Jon begins (I hope that isn't a terrible spoiler for anyone).

As for Renly and Loras, I love the fact that the series made their relationship visible. The books always deals with it in terms of rumor and allusion. I just wonder if we'll get to see a little more gay love with some of the other gay/bi characters.

On an unrelated note. I want to make one little criticism about the season finale. In the books there was this fantastic/tragic dream scene in which Dany witnessed her baby dying within her. I would have liked to see that played out on screen. I think it would have added some more gravity to her loss.

[AbnormalDann]

Ok. Thanks.

The white walkers (not sure if I got this right) are they coming back?

I hope Jon has a nude scene. lol

The White Walkers are the same as the Others. The show calls them "White Walkers" while the book's call them the Others.

[neoachilles]

I just wanted to put a thought out there: concerning Jon Snow, is it crazy of me to think that he isn't Ned's son at all? Nothing is ever mentioned in the books, but there is a certain tone to a number of the conversations that lead me to think that maybe, just maybe, Jon is a Targaryen. I don't know, he certainly doesn't have the Targaryen trademarks: the blue/violet eyes, the silvery hair, the almost otherworldy beauty. But might that be just because the Stark blood is strong in him?

[TX-Beau]

Cat was never one of my favorites. My favorite woman, Brienne the Beauty, the Maid of Tarth of course.

When did someone talk about legitimizing Jon Snow? I totally don't remember that from the books. i always thought that Cat hated Jon because she couldn't take it out on Ned.

[AbnormalDann]

I just wanted to put a thought out there: concerning Jon Snow, is it crazy of me to think that he isn't Ned's son at all? Nothing is ever mentioned in the books, but there is a certain tone to a number of the conversations that lead me to think that maybe, just maybe, Jon is a Targaryen. I don't know, he certainly doesn't have the Targaryen trademarks: the blue/violet eyes, the silvery hair, the almost otherworldy beauty. But might that be just because the Stark blood is strong in him?

There are rumors of that, but I don't think it'd be appropriate to discuss it on the shows thread since a lot of people haven't read the books. (I know they've been out for a while, and the show won't be back until Spring 2012, but I like to let people remain in suspense.) Unless you can use spoiler tags here?

[TX-Beau]

I just wanted to put a thought out there: concerning Jon Snow, is it crazy of me to think that he isn't Ned's son at all? Nothing is ever mentioned in the books, but there is a certain tone to a number of the conversations that lead me to think that maybe, just maybe, Jon is a Targaryen. I don't know, he certainly doesn't have the Targaryen trademarks: the blue/violet eyes, the silvery hair, the almost otherworldy beauty. But might that be just because the Stark blood is strong in him?

I don't think the timeline works for that, plus the only House Targaryen female (besides Dany) we ever see was actually a princess of Dorne.

[Elvin]

You mean the others?

Well they are definitely coming back, but it's not possible to say how exactly, the series isn't finished.

There's a whole lot of buildup on several fronts and plot lines that haven't been resolved, but seem to point to a series of epic confrontations that I think are going to end up with Dany the only one left standing on a heap of steaming corpses.

I'd love to see series Jon nekkid too, but book John is like 16 and that would be kinda pervy.

Yup. That's who I meant. I didn't know they were called "the others" originally.

I have no idea who Dany is.

You mean Daenarys? Is she going to be around for a long time? I love her.

Jon is 16? He looks around 26 to me.

I hate the way that Cat treated Jon Snow. It's the one sour note to an otherwise likable character. I don't think that it's the fact that he's Ned's bastard, though that obviously must rankle her; I think it's because Ned acknowledged him. He poses a constant threat to the birthright of her and Ned's legitimate children--a point she raises when talk of legitimizing Jon begins (I hope that isn't a terrible spoiler for anyone).

As for Renly and Loras, I love the fact that the series made their relationship visible. The books always deals with it in terms of rumor and allusion. I just wonder if we'll get to see a little more gay love with some of the other gay/bi characters.

On an unrelated note. I want to make one little criticism about the season finale. In the books there was this fantastic/tragic dream scene in which Dany witnessed her baby dying within her. I would have liked to see that played out on screen. I think it would have added some more gravity to her loss.

Yes, Cat pissed me off there. Jon isn't responsible at all. But I guess the characters need to be flawed just like us, to keep us interested.

Wait! There are other gay or bi characters?

The White Walkers are the same as the Others. The show calls them "White Walkers" while the book's call them the Others.

Got it. Thanks.

[AbnormalDann]

Yup. That's who I meant. I didn't know they were called "the others" originally.

I have no idea who Dany is.

You mean Daenarys? Is she going to be around for a long time? I love her.

Jon is 16? He looks around 26 to me.

They aged the show characters for, probably, a number of reasons. In the show, all the children/teens on the show you see are young. Dany (Daenerys) is 13, Jon is 16, etc.

There are some lesbian characters and bisexual characters you'll meet in the show. They aren't as well known as Renly/Loras, except for The Red Viper who is bisexual, who you'll meet later on.

You'll see instances of women fooling around with other women but I can't say that it's because they're attracted to them in a lot of cases, in some it's purely just for release.

[Elvin]

They aged the show characters for, probably, a number of reasons. In the show, all the children/teens on the show you see are young. Dany (Daenerys) is 13, Jon is 16, etc.

There are some lesbian characters and bisexual characters you'll meet in the show. They aren't as well known as Renly/Loras, except for The Red Viper who is bisexual, who you'll meet later on.

You'll see instances of women fooling around with other women but I can't say that it's because they're attracted to them in a lot of cases, in some it's purely just for release.

I like that there are going to be some bisexual characters.

Is Littlefinger gay or bi?

[AbnormalDann]

I like that there are going to be some bisexual characters.

Is Littlefinger gay or bi?

Straight. Completely. Though I will not lie I fancy the man who portrays him.

[Elvin]

Straight. Completely. Though I will not lie I fancy the man who portrays him.

Why did Robert marry Cersei? And who was married to the king who died (the one before Robert)? Was that king Robert's dad?

And Petyr raised Cat and her sister? He seems too young for that.

[TX-Beau]

Why did Robert marry Cersei? And who was married to the king who died (the one before Robert)? Was that king Robert's dad?

And Petyr raised Cat and her sister? He seems too young for that.

Robert married Cersei to gain Lannister support in his civil war. Mad King Aerys (Dany's - yes I mean Danaerys, Grandfather) He was king before Robert and he also executed Ned's father and brother. We don't know who he was married to. I forget if it was Rhaegar who was married to Princess Eilia of Dorne or someone else. Rhaegar was the heir (Targaryen - the Last Dragon) he was the one who raped Ned's sister and Robert's betrothed, and started the civil war, which ended in Dany and her brother in exile, their relatives dead.

Petyr was fostered at Riverrun and grew up with Cat and her sister.

[TX-Beau]

Oh and yeah, I suspect Dany is in it for the long haul. I suspect she's the one who ends up on the throne - but that's just a guess.

[Elvin]

Robert married Cersei to gain Lannister support in his civil war. Mad King Aerys (Dany's - yes I mean Danaerys, Grandfather) He was king before Robert and he also executed Ned's father and brother. We don't know who he was married to. I forget if it was Rhaegar who was married to Princess Eilia of Dorne or someone else. Rhaegar was the heir (Targaryen - the Last Dragon) he was the one who raped Ned's sister and Robert's betrothed, and started the civil war, which ended in Dany and her brother in exile, their relatives dead.

Petyr was fostered at Riverrun and grew up with Cat and her sister.

Thanks for the clarification and info. It makes a lot of sense now.

Robert wasn't descenced from Aerys blood line, right? He just took the crown after Aerys died and after the civil war.

Who killed Rhaegar?

So Robert is the one with all the bastard kids? Since Baratheons are all dark haired. And why didn't Robert know that Joffrey wasn't his son?

[Elvin]

Oh and yeah, I suspect Dany is in it for the long haul. I suspect she's the one who ends up on the throne - but that's just a guess.

YES YES YES!

[TX-Beau]

Thanks for the clarification and info. It makes a lot of sense now.

Robert wasn't descenced from Aerys blood line, right? He just took the crown after Aerys died and after the civil war.

Who killed Rhaegar?

So Robert is the one with all the bastard kids? Since Baratheons are all dark haired. And why didn't Robert know that Joffrey wasn't his son?

Robert is a Baretheon not a Targaryen, he killed Rhaegar at the battle of the Trident, in revenge for the rape. He was also the leader of the group of families that overthrew the Targaryen dynasty, that would be Him - Baretheon, House Stark, and House Lannister, as well as various and sundry other people like Howland Reed.

Jamie Lannister killed Mad King Aerys - even though he was one of Aerys' Kingsguard. It's why they call him the King-Slayer. He killed the king he was sworn to protect.

[Elvin]

Robert is a Baretheon not a Targaryen, he killed Rhaegar at the battle of the Trident, in revenge for the rape. He was also the leader of the group of families that overthrew the Targaryen dynasty, that would be Him - Baretheon, House Stark, and House Lannister, as well as various and sundry other people like Howland Reed.

Jamie Lannister killed Mad King Aerys - even though he was one of Aerys' Kingsguard. It's why they call him the King-Slayer. He killed the king he was sworn to protect.

Thanks again.

Jaime is one evil son of a bitch.

[TX-Beau]

The interesting thing about how the books are written is that by the last one, you really start to feel for Jaime. Don't get too attached to your initial impressions of the characters because the rules are out the window.

They've only started there's a long way to go yet, and a lot of blood to spill.

[zoltanspawn]

Snape kills Dumbledore.

[neoachilles]

I'm going to be a bit more careful with my posts, just in case, but yeah, like TX-Beau said, you shouldn't get too attached to the way you perceive any of the characters. With this series, you can always expect a curve ball thrown in somewhere. Also, as things progress, you get this sort of feeling that history has been re-written to suit the needs of the victors. The vilest of offenders may not have been so vile, and the most valiant heroes may not have been so heroic. I mean that's always the case, but you really start to get this feeling that you're missing something.

[neoachilles]

Snape kills Dumbledore.

Son of a bitch.

[Ohiospeedo]

The 5th book comes out on July 21st. Let's hope RR Martin starts wrapping up some storylines. Didn't particularly care for the 4th book.

[neoachilles]

^^Actually, Barnes and Noble has been advertising that it would be out on the 12th. Has something changed?

[Ohiospeedo]

Yeah I just saw that it is now the 12th. Even the author is saying that Book 4 was the worst book of the series.

http://shelf-life.ew.com/2011/07/06/dance-with-dragons/

Warning - Some spoilers in the interview.

[Elvin]

I fucking love this show.

I love how all the episodes are available on HBOgo.

[Asenath]

Thanks again.

Jaime is one evil son of a bitch.

Absolutely, but if you get into the books you realize that his act of regicide was. . . more than justified. Aerys was one of those madmen that would not have been content destroying himself, to say the least.

[maxpowr9]

Note: I haven't seen any of the TV series.

I started reading the book series because B&N recommended me to read it. I got all 4 books for $20 which is a steal. I am about 300 pages into the first book and it is quite good. I'm at the part when they are conspiring about who attempted to kill Bran and they think that the King or Queen might be involved. The plot is a bit all over the place and it switches from one arc to another and then crosses all over so I am a bit curious how well it plays out on the screen. Actually I would almost think it would be a bit better as for the visual queues instead of chapters.

[Elvin]

Absolutely, but if you get into the books you realize that his act of regicide was. . . more than justified. Aerys was one of those madmen that would not have been content destroying himself, to say the least.

You guys are seriously going to make me want to buy the books. lol

[Corny]

Note: I haven't seen any of the TV series.

I started reading the book series because B&N recommended me to read it. I got all 4 books for $20 which is a steal. I am about 300 pages into the first book and it is quite good. I'm at the part when they are conspiring about who attempted to kill Bran and they think that the King or Queen might be involved. The plot is a bit all over the place and it switches from one arc to another and then crosses all over so I am a bit curious how well it plays out on the screen. Actually I would almost think it would be a bit better as for the visual queues instead of chapters.

^no no no.

the show is great and all that.
but you miss SO much that didn't make it to the screen.

so if you do read books .. and like the series - i recommed .. read the books. if you are not a books kind of guy. just enjoy the series.